Pak "A" v Aus "A" (2nd test) score thread (17-20 sept)

[DM]

other than harmy,freddie,bond,shoaib and ntini....can u tell me who else is a fear factor now.

U can put your exceptions to failures like fidel,tino,sami as well

i don't understand what you mean here - are you suggesting that it isn't the case that a higher proportion of 150kph bowlers are successful in test cricket than medium pacers?

 

[DM]

just because it worked for waqar does'nt mean it will work for sami.Should'nt sami be averasging waqar's of 19 by now.

Again you use Sami as the archetype, when he's in fact one of the exceptions (so far - remember his career isn't over and even Akhtar had a high average some years ago). How many 150kph failures do you know? Now weigh them up with the 150kph successes. Then compare with the medium pacers. You don't even need the statistics, it's obvious

 

[Baron]

On the subject of ultra quicks. You'll see the ones that are able to control the ball are more successful than the ones that have less. An example would be Lee and Bond. Even though Bond is a 150kph + man, he is still a fair bit slower than Lee. But Bond has more control and consistency with the ball than Lee, which is reflected in his stats. If you cast your memory back about 4/5 years ago, SA were raving on about a new fast bowler that could bowl well over 150kph. He went by the name of Nanty Hayward. Lets just say a few matches later on he was known as Nanty Wayward and subsequently dumped. You see its not a question of speed, its what your able to do with a ball. And well when your slower, you are more able to move the ball than if you was quick. Only a few well known Ultra quicks were able to do both.

 

[Prince]

Irshad is about 24 now, so if he really is as fast as they say, we shouldn't be taking long with his inclusion.

I read that Irshad was 22 and going to be 23? It also says that on cricinfo

But I agree...how long are we going to wait to see him? When hes 26? 27? IF he is express pace then lets see it...we'll be able to tell pretty quickly whether he has what it takes to succeed at the international level...if its obvious that he doesn't have what it takes, then at least we'll know and finally get the record straight on whether he's hype or the real deal.

 

[Somali Pirate]

you know what dm.We can play sami with his average of 50 for next 50 years and you will still back him up because of potential and stuff.

When someone keeps backing sami to this day then nothing will convince them
Oh by the way bro cricket is more complicated than 150 kph yorkers.

 

[DM]

you know what dm.We can play sami with his average of 50 for next 50 years and you will still back him up because of potential and stuff.

When someone keeps backing sami to this day then nothing will convince them

show me where i have backed Sami in this discussion. If Sami continues to produce poor results then of course he should make way for someone else. And here's an interesting question. Why do you think management and selectors have been persisting with him if his test statistics are still not yet up to scratch? The answer to that question is his pace. If he didn't have it he'd be out.

 

[DM]

Oh by the way bro cricket is more complicated than 150 kph yorkers.

I'm well aware of that bro, my point in this discussion is arguing the merit of express pace.

 

[DM]

On the subject of ultra quicks. You'll see the ones that are able to control the ball are more successful than the ones that have less. An example would be Lee and Bond. Even though Bond is a 150kph + man, he is still a fair bit slower than Lee. But Bond has more control and consistency with the ball than Lee, which is reflected in his stats. If you cast your memory back about 4/5 years ago, SA were raving on about a new fast bowler that could bowl well over 150kph. He went by the name of Nanty Hayward. Lets just say a few matches later on he was known as Nanty Wayward and subsequently dumped. You see its not a question of speed, its what your able to do with a ball. And well when your slower, you are more able to move the ball than if you was quick. Only a few well known Ultra quicks were able to do both.

Good post, but just one point: Nantie Hayward was dropped when he slowed down after his injury. Before that, when he was bowling at 150kph he was devastating (his average was in the mid-20s). In fact even after this injury which slowed him down, he finished with a good test average of 29.8 and an excellent Strike Rate of 52.2. And this is from a bowler who has always been regarded as very wayward. When you bowl at 150kph, you're more than likely going to do damage.


And you're right, when high pace is combined with high accuracy, the results are even more devastating.

 

[Somali Pirate]

show me where i have backed Sami in this discussion. If Sami continues to produce poor results then of course he should make way for someone else. And here's an interesting question. Why do you think management and selectors have been persisting with him if his test statistics are still not yet up to scratch? The answer to that question is his pace. If he didn't have it he'd be out.

so as long as he bowls 90mph long hops he will be fine.eh?

 

[KB]

A lot of people say that express pace on its own is not much use unless it is combined with another asset.

Whilst that is true, it is also needs to be pointed out that the same can be said about other attributes bowlers may have. For instance not much point being pin-point accurate if you bowl at 70 mph. Nathan Astle and Gavin Larsen were very accurate bowlers, but not Test match class. Equally you may have a bowler who gets a lot of bounce, but it is not much use if there is not much else that comes with it - hence why Jo Angel never succeeded at Test level. A bowler who spins it a mile will not get wickets unless he has some semblance of control.

With any type of bowling you need a combination of attributes. This does not only apply to express bowlers.

 

[DM]

so as long as he bowls 90mph long hops he will be fine.eh?

judging by his continued selection, it seems moreso than the rest of the fast bowling talent (but i'm not personally affirming your leading statement )

 

[Baron]

Good post, but just one point: Nantie Hayward was dropped when he slowed down after his injury. Before that, when he was bowling at 150kph he was devastating (his average was in the mid-20s). In fact even after this injury which slowed him down, he finished with a good test average of 29.8 and an excellent Strike Rate of 52.2. And this is from a bowler who has always been regarded as very wayward. When you bowl at 150kph, you're more than likely going to do damage.


And you're right, when high pace is combined with high accuracy, the results are even more devastating.

True, he was good to begin with but his performances were alittle erratic at times. Ok granted, if your ultra quick then there will be times when you will do well. But doing it now and again isnt really good enough when facing top flight teams. Take Lee for an example, there were times in the ashes when he looked good but on most occasssions his 95 mph deliveries looked absolutely ordinary. This due to his lack of consistency and, line and length. His performances were so up and down during the 5 test series that you couldnt tell if he was going to do anything at all. The same can be attributed to Sami, you just dont know if he can do it. Infact your more worried if he'll go for over 5 runs an over!

 

[Nawazb]

any news on the third days play?

 

[Hash]

lol...no just teasing.

I have no idea what the score is. Check out www.pcboard.com.pk that will be the first place to update.

 

[Nawazb]

well hash it sounded believable because just look at our batting lineup bazid, faisal etc

 

[yk]

any updates??

 

[sehsan]

what a knock by hassan raza, Seems like he will in the squad for england series

check out the scorecard on

www.pcboard.com.pk

 

[Naveed]

What's incredible is that he came in at 88 and they ended at 249. This means that he got 111 of the 161 runs accumulated while he was at the crease.

 

[Muddaser]

Well done Hasan Raza.

Mansoor looks like he is gonna play another useful knock too.

 

[yk]

Well Done Hassan Bhai!!!

Match Heading for a draw...means we take the series...wooohoooooooo!!!!

 

[Muddaser]

Number 6 spot is his for the taking. No way is Asim Kamal a better batsmen than Hasan Raza.

 

[KaSaNoVa_G]

good knock my raza.. and yeah match should now be a draw...

 

[Somali Pirate]

hasan scoring another high presssure knock.why is it not suprising?

 

[Waseem]

No Hasan doesn't deserve a spot in our TEST team, he struggled badly against pace 7-8 years ago and we have better players than him like Malik, Razzaq and Afridi who can bowl as well.


Anyway I would like to see Hasan in our TEST team even if it means him or Younis Khan will open.

 

[Muddaser]

We can fit him at number 6.

Salman Butt
Shahid Afridi
Younis Khan
Inzamam
Youhana
Hasan Raza
Kamran Akmal
Mohammed Sami
Umar Gul
Shoaib Akhtar
Danish Kaneria

Looks good to me.

 

[yk]

I think Kamal will play during the England, unless he gets injured, the Hassan mite get a go. Otherwise i can't see Bob experimenting in such a crucial series.

 

[Naveed]

We can fit him at number 6.

Salman Butt
Shahid Afridi
Younis Khan
Inzamam
Youhana
Hasan Raza
Kamran Akmal
Mohammed Sami
Umar Gul
Shoaib Akhtar
Danish Kaneria

Looks good to me.

That's definitely that I would go with.

 

[Muddaser]

When are we gonna experiment?

For the last 18 months we have wasted our opportunities by playing club class players like Khalil.

Seriously how much worse could Hasan do?

Not like Asim is a proven cricketer.

 

[Monsee]

No Hasan doesn't deserve a spot in our TEST team, he struggled badly against pace 7-8 years ago and we have better players than him like Malik, Razzaq and Afridi who can bowl as well.


Anyway I would like to see Hasan in our TEST team even if it means him or Younis Khan will open.

So you think a player cannot improve ever...even after 7-8 years

What did his current innings proved, jack squat...he was up against Aussie A Fast bowlers. Why he didn't struggle now

What about SA A, SriLanka A, India A etc....I am sure those teams do have some decent pace bowlers. Hasan has scored tons of runs against all those teams

 

[yk]

Asim is a solid batsmen, ESPECIALLY on home pitches. Maybe he hasn't totally proven himself, but he DEFINATELY has proven his worth on subcontinent pitches (played well against SA, India etc)....Asim will NOT be dropped, trust me.

 

[Naveed]

Hasan is 23 years old. So he struggled against world class fast bowling when he was 15 years old, who wouldn't?

 

[Monsee]

Asim is a solid batsmen, ESPECIALLY on home pitches. Maybe he hasn't totally proven himself, but he DEFINATELY has proven his worth on subcontinent pitches (played well against SA, India etc)....Asim will NOT be dropped, trust me.

Hasan Raza has a better appetite for Big Scores...Asim barely crosses 60 most of the times

For now Asim might be persisted with but Hasan is putting a lot of pressure on him to go on and score a 100 soon or loose his place

 

[Mercenary]

monsee u missed the sarcasm!

 

[hasanahmad]

Its time to drop either Shoaib Malik, Asim Kamal, Afridi or Razzaq from the Test squad and put this man in the squad, There is a limit to this stupidity, How long will we waste his talent on a bunch of inconsistent cricketers.

 

[Monsee]

monsee u missed the sarcasm!

I felt it a bit when I read the post the 2nd time but it's his fault, he should have used a smiley or [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] beside his comments

 

[yk]

Not my fault....heheheheehehehehehe

 

[Waseem]

Muddaser, i want the same team but don't really think it's gonna be possible. Even if kamal is dropped, he will be replaced by either Afridi( who wants to bat down the order), Razzaq or Shoaib Malik.

 

[Amjid Javed]

When are we gonna experiment?

For the last 18 months we have wasted our opportunities by playing club class players like Khalil.

Seriously how much worse could Hasan do?

Not like Asim is a proven cricketer.

hasan raza has done superbly and shud be in the squad. He seems to have improved 10 fold since his early days....

u say asim isnt proven yet you have "the proven" sami in ur side ) )

why not pick s nazir (just like hasan raza hes done everything he can to earn
a recall with good performances)

sadly seems like youve double standards interms of ur selection policy!

I dont mind u saying u want hasan in side ( 1 see your point loud and clear ) but to include sami

 

[Naveed]

hasan raza has done superbly and shud be in the squad. He seems to have improved 10 fold since his early days....

u say asim isnt proven yet you have "the proven" sami in ur side ) )

why not pick s nazir (just like hasan raza hes done everything he can to earn
a recall with good performances)

sadly seems like youve double standards interms of ur selection policy!

I dont mind u saying u want hasan in side ( 1 see your point loud and clear ) but to include sami

For you to compare Raza with Nazir is also pretty funny. One is overweight and 5 years older than the other. And one was never any good in the first place.

 

[Naveed]

Hassan cracks century;Pakistan A-Australia A match heading for draw

RAWALPINDI, Sep 19 (APP): Test discard Hassan Raza hit an unbeaten century to save blushes of Pakistan A on the penultimate day of four-day match against Australia A at KRL Cricket Stadium on Monday.

With Sunday's second day entirely washed out, the match is poised for a draw in which case Pakistan A will take the two-match series 1-0 after triumphing by seven wickets in the first game at Pindi Cricket Stadium.

Pakistan A now need just nine runs, with four wickets standing, to avert the dreaded follow-on.

Hassan Raza was batting on 111 not out off 159 balls with 13 boundaries and two 6s as Pakistan A finished the third day on 249-6, still 159 runs short of gaining the first innings lead over Australia A who resumed on 318-5 and declared on 407-8, half an hour before Lunch break.

Hassan Raza occupied the crease for three and a quarter hours, exhibiting solid technique and temperament against Australia A bowlers who had cut the Pakistan A first innings to 119-4 at one stage.

Up the batting order, Test opener Imran Farhat hammered 47 off 71 balls with six hits to the fence as Australia A off-break duo of Daniel Cullen (3-60) and Brad Hodge (1-22) posed difficulties for Pakistani batsmen after Michael Lewis had accounted for the openers.

Earlier, allrounder Shane Watson compiled 50 off 71 balls with seven 4s, after resuming on 20 not out, while Cameron White remained unbeaten on 40 off 45 balls with four 4s and one 6 in Australia A first innings.

Pakistan A strike bowler Muhammad Asif captured 3-99 and leg- spinner Mansoor Amjed 2-96.

​

 

[Amjid Javed]

well done imran farhat for getting 47 aswell... such a shame he didnt go on!

 

[Amjid Javed]

For you to compare Raza with Nazir is also pretty funny. One is overweight and 5 years older than the other. And one was never any good in the first place.

id didnt compare the players head to head. i was making a mere point.
sadly that basic logic is lost on urself!

 

[Naveed]

id didnt compare the players head to head. i was making a mere point.
sadly that basic logic is lost on urself!

And what was your point? That if Raza is on the squad, Nazir should be also?

 

[Amjid Javed]

And what was your point? That if Raza is on the squad, Nazir should be also?

my point was:- why is hasan raza been tipped for a recall?

ans - hes performed and done all that can be asked of him outside of the test side

s nazir has performed domestically, For A team etc... like hasan raza hes earnt the right to be considered for selection ON MERIT!

do you understand NOW?

sadly some players in pakistan team arent picked ON MERIT!

 

[Muddaser]

Amjid, do we have anyone better than Sami? NO!

Shabbir has an illegal action, Rana is unproven, Shahid Nazir hasnt done anything of note against International a teams either. Najaf and Irshad you have never seen.

Do we have a better batsmen than Asim? YES!

Hasan Raza.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Amjid, do we have anyone better than Sami? NO!

Shabbir has an illegal action, Rana is unproven, Shahid Nazir hasnt done anything of note against International a teams either. Najaf and Irshad you have never seen.

Do we have a better batsmen than Asim? YES!

Hasan Raza.

how do you know we we have no-one better than sami? s nazir`s test
record is better than samis. unless u give s nazir another go you
wont know if hes better than sami!

2ndly how is hasan raza better than asim kamal?

what you basing it on??? id like to see your reasons....

i hope you give the answer i expect

 

[Naveed]

my point was:- why is hasan raza been tipped for a recall?

ans - hes performed and done all that can be asked of him outside of the test side

s nazir has performed domestically, For A team etc... like hasan raza hes earnt the right to be considered for selection ON MERIT!

do you understand NOW?

sadly some players in pakistan team arent picked ON MERIT!

So now you're saying that Sami is being picked because of favouritism?

 

[cricketOWU]

There is no reason for Asim Kamal to be dropped. He is a gritty performer who comes up with consistent performances. He has also shown the ability to bat with the tail, which is crucial for a lower order batsman. He has scored 8 50s in 19 innings. Talk about him being dropped is ignorant and unjustified.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So now you're saying that Sami is being picked because of favouritism?

yes!

if you want to prove otherwise then show me what consistant performances justify his place over last year or two years

 

[Muddaser]

Hasan Raza is ten times the batsmen Asim Kamal will ever be.

Asim Kamal has never scored any runs in pressure situations where as Hasan has done it on many occasions. Asim hasnt done anything of note in domestic cricket either.

A selfish batsmen if you ask me who spends more time looking at his situation than the teams situation.

Dont need to prove it, I have seen it on many occasions when Asim is batting.

 

[Amjid Javed]

There is no reason for Asim Kamal to be dropped. He is a gritty performer who comes up with consistent performances. He has also shown the ability to bat with the tail, which is crucial for a lower order batsman. He has scored 8 50s in 19 innings. Talk about him being dropped is ignorant and unjustified.

asim is not a flashy player nor is he exciting.

asim doesnt win test matches.

asim doesnt average 99 with bat after 11 test

asim doesnt have 20 test centuries which he shud by now...

(asim cant bat v spin or pace, actually asim cant even play cricket or hold
a cricket bat... )

these are the excpectations of pakistan fans for all are new batsmen...

kick asim out!

 

[Muddaser]

You pick your best players no matter what.

Hasan Raza is a better batsmen than Asim Kamal.

Enough said!

 

[Naveed]

yes!

if you want to prove otherwise then show me what consistant performances justify his place over last year or two years

Ok what is your proof? Who is favouring him? Is it because of family ties? It's easy to make statements like that but harder to back them with genuine evidence.

 

[Muddaser]

There is no reason for Asim Kamal to be dropped. He is a gritty performer who comes up with consistent performances. He has also shown the ability to bat with the tail, which is crucial for a lower order batsman. He has scored 8 50s in 19 innings. Talk about him being dropped is ignorant and unjustified.

Even tailenders can play gritty innings.

BIG DEAL!

 

[Mercenary]

This sounds familiar AJ, let me think...

asim is not a flashy player nor is he exciting.

Sami doesnt rip thru sides

asim doesnt win test matches.

Sami isnt a matchwinner

asim doesnt average 99 with bat after 11 test

Sami doesnt average under 20 after 21 tests

asim doesnt have 20 test centuries which he shud by now...

Sami doesnt have a fifer in each test!

(asim cant bat v spin or pace, actually asim cant even play cricket or hold a cricket bat... )

Sami cant even bowl out a club side

...now where have i heard that???

Also if u rearrange the letters in ASIM you get SAMI

 

[Amjid Javed]

Hasan Raza is ten times the batsmen Asim Kamal will ever be.

-- proof? (seems like personal opinion)

Asim Kamal has never scored any runs in pressure situations where as Hasan has done it on many occasions.

-- yeah true asim`s 91 in mohali wasnt under pressure was it?

Asim hasnt done anything of note in domestic cricket either.

-- proof? so he was selected out of thin air was he?

A selfish batsmen if you ask me who spends more time looking at his situation than the teams situation.

-- selfish? ) proof?

Dont need to prove it, I have seen it on many occasions when Asim is batting.

so tell me what u expect from a pakistan batsmen after 10 test matches?

seems like ur living in fantasy world thinking that we have javed miandad jnrs galore all over pakistan ) )

why dont you list all the great batsmen we have produced over last 3/4 years

asim has one of the very few whose done half-decently...

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il tell you whats next... if hasan raza doesnt perform in next 10 test and someone like shahid yousaf scores well on fringes then it will be a typical muddy post kick hasan out and play shahid yousaf....

Seems new pakistan batsmen have to score 100 every inns and average 99.99 from there very 1st game or they get the boot...

time for a reality check muddy!

 

[Amjid Javed]

Merc, so a test average of 39 is crap is it after 11 tests? to me its pretty handy!

why dont you name all the good new batsmen weve got coming thru ranks that have better records...

samis test average of 47 afta 21 is just plain crap!

 

[Amjid Javed]

Even tailenders can play gritty innings.

BIG DEAL!

so what do you expect from a test batsmen then muddy?

please do tell...

 

[Muddaser]

so tell me what u expect from a pakistan batsmen after 10 test matches?

seems like ur living in fantasy world thinking that we have javed miandad jnrs galore all over pakistan ) )

why dont you list all the great batsmen we have produced over last 3/4 years

asim has one of the very few whose done half-decently...

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il tell you whats next... if hasan raza doesnt perform in next 10 test and someone like shahid yousaf scores well on fringes then it will be a typical muddy post kick hasan out and play shahid yousaf....

Seems new pakistan batsmen have to score 100 every inns and average 99.99 from there very 1st game or they get the boot...

time for a reality check muddy!

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Is it worth arguing with this guy when all he ever does is make a mountain out of a molehill?

Nothing to do with fantasy world, Miandad, Shahid Yousuf BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Lets stick to the topic and thats Asim Kamal V Hasan Raza.

 

[Muddaser]

OK Amjid.

Do you agree that Pakistan should always pick their 11 best players?

If so, then prove to me that Asim is a better batsmen than Hasan Raza and justifies his place in the team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

so tell me agen muddy.. what ur expectations are of a new pakistan test batsmen afta
10 tests?

 

[Amjid Javed]

OK Amjid.

Do you agree that Pakistan should always pick their 11 best players?

If so, then prove to me that Asim is a better batsmen than Hasan Raza and justifies his place in the team.

yes pakistan should pick its best x1. now tell me whats asim done to be dropped?

on same basis why u got sami in ur team?

hes performance have been crap for years...

why not give sum1 else more deserving a go...!

 

[Muddaser]

yes pakistan should pick its best x1. now tell me whats asim done to be dropped?

on same basis why u got sami in ur team?

hes performance have been crpa for years...

We have a better batsmen than Asim and we dont have a better bowler to replace Sami.

After all, you do agree that pakistan should play their best 11.

Enough said!

 

[Amjid Javed]

We have a better batsmen than Asim and we dont have a better bowler to replace Sami.

Enough said!

oh right so asim shud be dropped coz sum1s beta?

so if hasan raza averages 50 with bat and sum1 beta comes along shud he be dropped?

) u make me giggle!

 

[Naveed]

so tell me agen muddy.. what ur expectations are of a new pakistan test batsmen afta
10 tests?

I certainly would expect to see better than what Asim has done given that he can only bat at #6 (as he is susceptible to the new ball) is a horrendous runner between the wickets (has accounted for numerous run outs) and is horrendous in the field (dropped catches and limited mobility). For me he needs to average over 50 to offset all of the negatives.

 

[sehsan]

i agree hassan should be in SQUAD but PLZ dont tell me he should be ahead of asim kamal right now.
Asim is a perfect player pakistan have and to me he should play at 5 and Mohammad yousf at 6 as asim takes time to make score

it would be great if he will be in the squad so rest of the batsmans know if they dont perform, hassan is there to replce him

 

[Muddaser]

oh right so asim shud be dropped coz sum1s beta?

so if hasan raza averages 50 with bat and sum1 beta comes along shud he be dropped?

) u make me giggle!

I make you giggle?

You just agreed with me that Pakistan should always play their best 11.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I certainly would expect to see better than what Asim has done given that he can only bat at #6 (as he is susceptible to the new ball) is a horrendous runner between the wickets (has accounted for numerous run outs) and is horrendous in the field (dropped catches and limited mobility). For me he needs to average over 50 to offset all of the negatives.

) pakistan is full off miandad jnrs isnt it? )

i hope hasan raza plays next 10 test and if he doesnt average 50 he shud be kicked out....

Such high expectations..?

) true stupidity... seems to me you think pakistan is littered with bradman

why dont u name me the last pakistan batsmen to average 50 @ number 6

why dont u list me any pakistan batsmen in history of game to average 50

) )

 

[Muddaser]

) pakistan is full off miandad jnrs isnt it? )

A word of Advice.

Less laughing and more talking. You're just making yourself look silly.

And to answer your question?

We have Hasan Raza, he might not be a Miandad but he is better than Asim.

 

[Naveed]

) pakistan is full off miandad jnrs isnt it? )

I guess when you cling to established mediocrity and don't strive for more, these kind of comments should be expected.

 

[cricketOWU]

Asim Kamal is one of the few performers in the Pakistan cricket team who can keep their head in a pressure situation. He brings a calmness to the lower order and in that way he is similar to Inzimam. That is something that we as Pakistani cricket fans need to learn to value. For every flashy player, we need someone to hold the innings together. Asim Kamal is that thread. He has scored 38 or better in 10 of his 19 innings. Moreover, in almost every test match he has played, he has had atleast one significant inning. That is the consistency Pakistan needs. He averages almost 40 despite not having scored big runs. That tells you something. And for someone with his technique, temperament and consistency, big scores are just around the corner. There should be no doubt about that.

That is not to say that Hasan Raza does not deserve a chance. Just that Asim Kamal does not deserve to be dropped at this point in his career.

 

[shikari]

Guys

Here is my take on this subject:

Hasan Raza no doubt has been in tremendous form in the domestic competitions/Academy tours and the ongoing Aus A team game. He should be picked in the Pak squad of 15 for the England series.
PLaying Hasan Raza ahead of Asim Kamal in the test matches does not make sense to me. Asim has not bad in short test career. Infact, Asim has been in many pressure situtaions in the last year or so. PLaying in Australia against the likes of Warne, Mcgrath and company, playing in India in a pressure packed series and then playin in the West Indies with key players out. I think Asim will prove to be a better pick against England with the experience he has gained in the test cricket arena.
Hasan Raza may be a better batsman but has not played test cricket in a while. You cannot reward a player at the expense of another player who has been consistent in his work.

 

[Naveed]

AJ
I guess that you have no concept of the fact that young players can improve and feel that everyone should be judged based on recent performance no matter how old or talented they are?

 

[Naveed]

For those that say that Asim kept his head in pressure situations, please give 1 or 2 examples? And these should not involve the "pressure" of trying to avoid an innings defeat.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I guess that you have no concept of the fact that young players can improve and feel that everyone should be judged based on recent performance no matter how old or talented they are?

so asim cant improve? why u kicking him out?

agen hypocrycy!

 

[Amjid Javed]

For those that say that Asim kept his head in pressure situations, please give 1 or 2 examples? And these should not involve the "pressure" of trying to avoid an innings defeat.

kick asim out he neva wins test for pakistan..! pakistans team is littered with
match winners aint it?

funny how all pressure is on asim to win games.. why arent others performing?

 

[Naveed]

so asim cant improve? why u kicking him out?

agen hypocrycy!

No what I am saying is that he is at an age and talent level where improvement is highly unlikely. Do you disagree?

 

[Naveed]

kick asim out he neva wins test for pakistan..! pakistans team is littered with
match winners aint it?

funny how all pressure is on asim to win games.. why arent others performing?

Others have won tests for Pakistan. Even Sami has done that.

 

[Amjid Javed]

No what I am saying is that he is at an age and talent level where improvement is highly unlikely. Do you disagree?

why is he? is there sum law that says at 27 he cant get better?

some proof behind ur theory please...

hasnt inzi improved in late age?

 

[pakistani pride]

Hasan Raza has done well but Asim Kamal deserves to play versus ENG Raza should be in the squad though