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Pakistan [169/6] defeat South Africa [164/8] by 4 wickets in the 3rd T20I to take series 2-1

Hafeez will come but, Pak still needs to sort the middle order out and make some efforts in NCA to make their young ones grow.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The fact that Pakistan got away with a win despite playing the way they did and selecting the team they did should tell us what a poor South African side this is rather than inspiring unnecessary confidence.

Not saying that the guys who played well should not be confident, but the likes of Talat, Asif Ali, Khushdil should be disposed of.
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And they will be with return of Hafeez, Imad,Shadab and hopefully introduction of Danish, Sharjeel and Azam.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The fact that Pakistan got away with a win despite playing the way they did and selecting the team they did should tell us what a poor South African side this is rather than inspiring unnecessary confidence.

Not saying that the guys who played well should not be confident, but the likes of Talat, Asif Ali, Khushdil should be disposed of.
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Those are officially TTF's now.
 
Pakistani fans overreacting is a normality now. It wasn’t 165 pitch it was 200 pitch. Pakistan need to finish it off in the future. This was pretty much SA first 11 I don’t see this result anything less than a good win.
 
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pakistan B team beating south africa B team

Very good series Pakistan lower order winning them the game
 
lahoriyah1234 said:
Pakistani fans overeating is a normality now. It wasn’t 165 pitch it was 200 pitch. Pakistan need to finish it off in the future. This was pretty much SA first 11 I don’t see this result anything less than a good win.
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it was the dew that cost them 165 was par with the dew
 
😂 Awaiting the Mamoon comment, Hassan Ali got lucky with those fluke sixes
 
Looking at the celebrations, it appears that PAK have won the T20I WC, ODI WC and Test mace all at once.

In fairness, the celebration is indicative of where they see themselves as a unit. To be so animated after this makes it clear they expected this to be a tough competition.

T20 has a tendency due to its compressed nature to bridge the gap between teams. The close-matched nature of the performances teams over this series though has more to do with actual parity rather than the peculiarities of T20.
 
Man who cares if it was SA B team C team D team or E team. You can only beat what’s in front of you. We did well to win the match. Congratulations to the team!
 
Nawaz despite playing calmly does not look convincing, he can only hit an odd 6 he misses many balls.
 
Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Ehsan Mani has congratulated the Pakistan men’s national cricket team on victories in the Test and T20I series over South Africa.

In the Karachi Test, Babar Azam’s men recovered from 27 for four in the first innings to win by seven wickets, while they took seven wickets for 33 runs in 10 overs with the second new ball in South Africa’s second innings to register a 95-run victory in the Rawalpindi Test. Mohammad Rizwan became the second Pakistan batsman to hit a T20I century in his side’s three-run victory in the first match, which was followed by South Africa’s six wickets win. In the series finale, Pakistan won by four wickets.

Consequently, following their first Test series win over South Africa in 18 years, Pakistan moved up two places to fifth in the ICC Test Team Rankings, the team’s highest ranking since January 2017. They have also gained two points to reduce the gap with third-ranked India to seven points on the ICC T20I Team Rankings.

Victory in the Test series also provided Babar with a winning start to his captaincy tenure, whilst ensuring that Misbah-ul-Haq remained unbeaten in 12 home Test series, whether as a captain or coach.

PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani: “I congratulate each and every member of the Pakistan men’s national cricket team and the support staff for their excellent victories in both the Test and T20Is series over South Africa. The manner in which the side bounced back following a disappointing series in New Zealand is admirable and reflects their real character, grit and potential.

“The success of the team was due to collective and all-round effort which invariably produces positive and strong results. The performances have elated the fans, which is an endorsement of the type and brand of cricket they want to see and witness from their stars, both inside and outside Pakistan.

“I am pleased the side not only demonstrated that they were capable of playing quality cricket but of doing so with consistency, something that had been eluding them recently. I remain optimistic that these victories will prove to act as a catalyst for future winning performances and the side will continue to play with a controlled and calculated aggression so that Pakistan can reclaim its status as one of the fiercest, respected and leading cricket playing nations.

“Amidst a number of outstanding standalone performances, I was particularly pleased with the way Mohammad Rizwan, Hasan Ali and Nauman Ali performed. While Rizwan won the hearts of the cricket fans with his performances across the longest and shortest formats of the game, Hasan Ali and Nauman Ali performances highlighted the value and importance of merit-based and quality-oriented domestic cricket.

“I am confident that this new structure will continue to produce more exciting and talented cricketers over the next couple of years, which, in turn, will further help narrow the gap between the quality of domestic and international cricket as well as Pakistan and the other leading cricket playing nations.

“I want to register my appreciation for the PCB management, which delivered an excellent series in these challenging and difficult times. From team logistics to cricket playing facilities, from creating a safe and secure environment to unprecedented broadcast, digital and media coverage, everything was meticulous. The flawless and smooth operations, which would not have been possible without the support of the federal and local governments as well as the security agencies, have contributed greatly in enhancing the PCB’s reputation as a credible, world-class and high-performing cricket board.

“Lastly, I want to thank and congratulate South Africa for visiting Pakistan and playing competitive cricket. I am confident they will return with happy memories and will not hesitate in sharing their experiences with fellow cricketers. We look forward to welcoming these cricket ambassadors again, be it during the HBL Pakistan Super League or a future bilateral series.”
 
Yk313 said:
Looking at the celebrations, it appears that PAK have won the T20I WC, ODI WC and Test mace all at once.

In fairness, the celebration is indicative of where they see themselves as a unit. To be so animated after this makes it clear they expected this to be a tough competition.

T20 has a tendency due to its compressed nature to bridge the gap between teams. The close-matched nature of the performances teams over this series though has more to do with actual parity rather than the peculiarities of T20.
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Why would you not celebrate a series win against any team let alone SA, we hardly win series against them.
Remember Pak too have a B team with Hafeez, Fakhar, Shadab, Imad missing.
 
Bilal_103 said:
People dont realize this. The guy looks lost.
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Mohd Wasim has to select those who are playing in Domestic cricket. Ab woh bahir se kahan se laye players.

T20 is not a format to be taken seriously. I want good ODI and Test team thats all i care.
 
lahoriyah1234 said:
Hassan Ali is no mug with bat, he has something razzaq about him. Although he needs to stop slogging instead play good hitter shots.
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He's not really a batsman, but he's got champion mentality. The opposite of a lot of TTFs who have failed to grasp opportunities in this series.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
He's not really a batsman, but he's got champion mentality. The opposite of a lot of TTFs who have failed to grasp opportunities in this series.
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Thats why he should stick to clearing the boundaries instead of playing cricketing shots
 
Titan24 said:
I believe atleast one of Sharjeel and Fakhar still makes the squad/team, if not both. Our T20 batting resources are pretty ordinary currently. :mw1
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Fakhar makes the team on merit. He has scored prolifically in both PSL and NT20. There is no logical reason to not select him.

Sharjeel on the other hand, is a one trick pony and a hack with quite possibly the worst fitness of any player in Domestic. He is not the same player he was becoming in 2016.
 
I must admit I stopped watching after Barbar wicket but kept an eye on the score. Truly a nail biter!
 
Good prelude to PSL

Miller on fire
Babar Back in form
Hassan in generator mode
 
Seems like it is fairly clear PAK's Top 4 going into the T20I WC should be some permutation of Rizwan, Babar, Hafeez and Malik.

With Shadab, Faheem, Imad and Nawaz in the mix do not see the point of playing dedicated "power hitting" hacks (Haider, Khushdil, Talat, Asif) etc. Not a single one of them is required.

The novelty of "power hitters" wears off when we see that most of them will not likely outscore Shadab/Faheem/Imad/Nawaz. And not only will they not outscore these four, they will also likely not do it at a significantly better rate. Not to mention the bowling options provided by the four mentioned above. The added utility of all four being capable of bowling between 2-4 overs should help PAK.

If the above is taken to be the blueprint, it becomes clear that the best way to maximise utility is by playing the above players in the XI instead of searching for that elusive middle-order power hitter which we clearly do not possess.

We made the mistake of playing Asif Ali for a considerable period in CWC19 before we realised that his ceiling was the same as that of Wahab/Hassan, with Wahab/Hassan providing 10 or so overs in addition to a safer pair of hands in the outfield.

Hassan, Wahab, Shaheen, Qadir, Mahmood et cetera could form the tail with both Hassan and Wahab capable of hitting the odd 15-20 runs at a good rate.

This means only one No.11 if we pick between Shaheen/Qadir/Mahmood (I do not know if Qadir/Mahmood can bat so assuming they cannot) and 7 bowling options of varying levels of prowess.

If either of Qadir/Mahmoor are capable of slogging 10-20 runs that could be even more beneficial with one of Faheem/Shadab/Imad/Nawaz dropped if another 'specialist' bowler is to be played.
 
PakPremi said:
Why would you not celebrate a series win against any team let alone SA, we hardly win series against them.
Remember Pak too have a B team with Hafeez, Fakhar, Shadab, Imad missing.
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I know that. I have never been a fan of over the top celebrations especially in games where PAK had the upper hand.

We have a tendency of conceding ground and then winning by the smallest of margins. Which yields euphoric eruptions of joy that are often not merited.
 
Savak said:
😂 Awaiting the Mamoon comment, Hassan Ali got lucky with those fluke sixes
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You know you have hit rock-bottom when you are breathing a sigh of relief after beating a South African B team at home.

I actually like Hassan Ali in white ball cricket. He is a good player in the shorter formats. However, I do not think much of him in the Test format in spite of his heroics in the previous Test.

In the long run, he will struggle because he doesn’t have discipline and cannot bowl Test match lengths.

Overall, a shameful and embarrassing performance by Pakistan. It was as bad as a loss.
 
Dark_Horse said:
Hassan Ali can play in place 0f asif ali purely as batsman his bowling will be extra
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PAK have not had a reliable lower middle-order power player for a while now. Instead of chasing unicorns, they should try and optimise the utility that can be extracted from other players.

Especially given Asif Ali/Khushdil/Talat/Haider do not have a tendency of playing game changing innings so far. The potential can take backseat for the time being.
 
A batting spectacular by David Miller was not enough for the Proteas as they slipped to a four-wicket defeat in the final Twenty20 International against Pakistan and with it surrendered the series 2-1 in Lahore on Sunday.

Miller delivered a magnificent exhibition of hitting by plundering an unbeaten 85 off 45 balls (5 fours, 7 sixes) as South Africa recovered from 65 for seven to post a competitive 164 for eight at the Gaddafi Stadium.

Tabraiz Shamsi then produced a remarkable spell of four for 25 to leave the hosts struggling on 137 for six after 17 overs, before Hasan Ali clubbed 20 off just seven balls to lead his side to victory with eight deliveries to spare.

The result brought the curtain down on the Proteas’ tour to the Asian country – ending a series in which they also showed plenty of promise despite most of their regular names being absent.

In the final game, stand-in captain Heinrich Klaasen lost the toss at the start and his team was asked to bat first by counterpart Babar Azam.

However, the batting unravelled in woeful fashion with debutant Zahid Mahmood (3/40) and Mohammad Nawaz (2/13) running riot.

Only Janneman Malan (27) amongst the top five managed to find any rhythm – the early wickets leaving South Africa in real danger of being bowled out for less than 100.

But Miller and Bjorn Fortuin (10) put on 41 for the eighth wicket, before a record unbroken ninth-wicket partnership of 58 between the former and Lutho Sipamla (8*) launched the tourists to a 165 target.

Miller blazed four sixes in the final over alone, with his innings also completing a third T20I half-century.

It was then over to the bowlers, who initially struggled against Pakistan’s star batsman of the series, Mohammad Rizwan (42).

Along with Haider Ali (15), the pair put on 51 for the opening wicket to put their side firmly in the driving seat.

Shamsi’s introduction in the seventh over threatened to alter course of the game after he struck with his first ball to take out Haider.

Two more strikes in his next two overs left the Pakistanis on 84 for three by the end of 11th over and the game back in the balance.

And when Dwaine Pretorius (1/33) got rid of Babar for 44 it was advantage South Africa.

Shamsi tilted the scales even further in favour of his side by claiming his fourth wicket for a career-best haul and Bjorn Fortuin (1/30) added to that with the wicket of Faheem Ashraf (10).

It left the Proteas well-placed as the hosts needed 28 from the last three with two new men in the middle.

However, Hasan and Nawaz (18 off 11 balls) were destructive when it counted most sealing victory with more than an over to spare.
 
A word of caution.

This was probably South Africa's C team that took our team to the limits in both matches Pakistan won.
 
Saj said:
A word of caution.

This was probably South Africa's C team that took our team to the limits in both matches Pakistan won.
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Definitely worrying. Can't see us challenging too much at the WC in all honesty.
 
I’m hearing a lot of excuses about how this was Pakistan B as well, but the reality is that these players were playing at home and they have experience in these conditions.

They were up against South Africa players who have no exposure to these wickets.

Overall, Pakistan were awful and it showed where we stand as a T20I side even in home conditions.

We have no chance of competing in the WT20 whether we play our A team or B team.
 
Mamoon said:
I’m hearing a lot of excuses about how this was Pakistan B as well, but the reality is that these players were playing at home and they have experience in these conditions.

They were up against South Africa players who have no exposure to these wickets.

Overall, Pakistan were awful and it showed where we stand as a T20I side even in home conditions.

We have no chance of competing in the WT20 whether we play our A team or B team.
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Yes, we are hopeless. Shoul have just lost the test/T20s as it doesnt matter.

Why do you take the time and energy to post when all is hopeless?
 
Saj said:
A word of caution.

This was probably South Africa's C team that took our team to the limits in both matches Pakistan won.
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In T20s as miller showed 1 innings / player can have a huge impact. Overall Pak was the better side.
 
I really loved the fight shown by this depleted SAF side. Ran Pakistan close in two games and won comprehensively in the other. Could have easily been 2-1 for them but Pak seized the key moments...

On a side note, Pakistan need to start dominating white ball games at home atleast against these weaker sides. They struggled even against Zimbabwe in that ODI series and made them look much better than they actually were....
 
Zafar Gohar, Amad Butt, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Danish Aziz, Aamer Yamin, and Mohammad Hasnain did not feature in this series.

Danish Aziz deserved a chance in my opinion, and I have a bad feeling that he won't get game-time from KK. Watching the series, Imad would have realized that Nawaz is competing for that role of the power-play spinner. You heard it first over here that Imad is going to push himself up the order for KK to take one of the lower-order finisher roles available. Shadab did it last year because he knew the team had no good finishers. My fear is that Imad might push himself up and Danish might not feature much in the lineup. By no means is Imad batting higher a bad thing, I'm just saying that from a different point of view, Danish might not be used to his full potential by Karachi Kings.

Hasnain should know that there are only two places where he can secure a bowling role, either with the new ball or at the death. That's where he needs to bowl in the PSL to stand a chance of getting into the playing XI. He has the ability, and has improved as a bowler, and I will look forward to seeing him bowl in the PSL.

Amad Butt is with Peshawar Zalmi, and he'll get quite some game time. He needs to bowl with the new ball, and take wickets in the powerplay to be considered with the team. He also needs to score quick-fire runs in the lower order.

Zafar Gohar will be competing for that spinner in the middle overs, so he will need a good tally of wickets coupled with a good economy rate. He will also have to bat very well, he will get limited chances by ISLU and needs to make the most of them.

Aamer Yamin is almost a guaranteed starter for Karachi Kings, and he needs to take wickets with the new ball. He also needs to bat very well to secure a role.

Lastly, that leaves Sarfaraz Ahmed. Rizwan will carry his form into PSL, and it seems unlikely that MS will ignore his good form. He will certainly feature as an opener. Sarfaraz should see that there are two possible roles which are lacking in the team. A no.3 batsman and a middle order hitter. He needs to try and fullfil one of them to make the cut for the team.
 
Mamoon said:
I’m hearing a lot of excuses about how this was Pakistan B as well, but the reality is that these players were playing at home and they have experience in these conditions.

They were up against South Africa players who have no exposure to these wickets.

Overall, Pakistan were awful and it showed where we stand as a T20I side even in home conditions.

We have no chance of competing in the WT20 whether we play our A team or B team.
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True, we will need some people to rub their brain cells together and simultaneously get their act together on the field.

Mohammad Wasim needs to wake up and bring Malik back into the team, our middle order is a joke. Wasim, of all people, should know how poor our domestic system is, and Malik is probably the only batsman who is at least international standard.

Similarly we need to stop with this delusion of playing two leggies, we went in with 2 batsmen short this game and almost paid the price. Our team is too dependent on Babar Azam to hit winning runs, and we are carrying too much dead weight.

The times when Babar doesn't perform, our team fails in humiliating fashion.

I bring back my point, SAF don't care if they win or lose, that's not their problem. They are building a team for the WC, and we should be playing our B team to determine who to pick and who not to pick. They are the ones who have really won this series.
 
UzmanBeast said:
True, we will need some people to rub their brain cells together and simultaneously get their act together on the field.

Mohammad Wasim needs to wake up and bring Malik back into the team, our middle order is a joke. Wasim, of all people, should know how poor our domestic system is, and Malik is probably the only batsman who is at least international standard.

Similarly we need to stop with this delusion of playing two leggies, we went in with 2 batsmen short this game and almost paid the price. Our team is too dependent on Babar Azam to hit winning runs, and we are carrying too much dead weight.

The times when Babar doesn't perform, our team fails in humiliating fashion.

I bring back my point, SAF don't care if they win or lose, that's not their problem. They are building a team for the WC, and we should be playing our B team to determine who to pick and who not to pick. They are the ones who have really won this series.
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Lol "Saf don't care if they will or lose" the desperation to downplay the victory is at another level.
 
Ozeirk said:
Lol "Saf don't care if they will or lose" the desperation to downplay the victory is at another level.
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It isn't any desperation. You're deluded if you think they even care about the result. Sure they'd be happy with a win, but they aren't going to treat this loss as a huge one particularly when it's their B-Team.

They are building a team for the WC, if you read the post above rather than claiming that I am desperate to see Pakistan lose which I'm not.

I'm pointing out a simple fact that some fans aren't willing to accept, and it is the fact that South Africa are the real winners of this series through the scope of future planning.

They have identified a few players capable of playing in spinning conditions, and a few bowlers who will do well in these conditions as well. In terms of World Cup planning, they are far ahead of us at the moment. They've also made sure to use players on their bench to see who can fit in what role, and that's another plus point for them.

If this was any series against a quality opposition (not a depleted team), I'd be content with how we went about our business, but the fact is that some fans will use a victory against a C team just to feel like our team is any good.

Go through my post well and see if anything I said was indeed false.
 
UzmanBeast said:
It isn't any desperation. You're deluded if you think they even care about the result. Sure they'd be happy with a win, but they aren't going to treat this loss as a huge one particularly when it's their B-Team.

They are building a team for the WC, if you read the post above rather than claiming that I am desperate to see Pakistan lose which I'm not.

I'm pointing out a simple fact that some fans aren't willing to accept, and it is the fact that South Africa are the real winners of this series through the scope of future planning.

They have identified a few players capable of playing in spinning conditions, and a few bowlers who will do well in these conditions as well. In terms of World Cup planning, they are far ahead of us at the moment. They've also made sure to use players on their bench to see who can fit in what role, and that's another plus point for them.

If this was any series against a quality opposition (not a depleted team), I'd be content with how we went about our business, but the fact is that some fans will use a victory against a C team just to feel like our team is any good.

Go through my post well and see if anything I said was indeed false.
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South Africa did not gain jack from this series. Their performers were Shamsi, Miller, Pretorious and to a certain extent, Hendricks. All the above mentioned are a part of the first South African XI. Their young players were awful and partly the reason they surrendered the series.

Pakistan was ofcourse even worse. We dont stand a chance in the WT20.
 
Usman Chadda said:
South Africa did not gain jack from this series. Their performers were Shamsi, Miller, Pretorious and to a certain extent, Hendricks. All the above mentioned are a part of the first South African XI. Their young players were awful and partly the reason they surrendered the series.

Pakistan was ofcourse even worse. We dont stand a chance in the WT20.
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SAF learned that their youngsters failed terribly in spinning conditions.

For us it's far worse, our youngsters can't perform at home against a B team.

Without Imad, Shadab, Malik, Hafeez, we don't stand a chance for the WC.
 
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