Pakistan (242/7) defeat South Africa (239/9) by 3 wickets in a nail biting encounter to win the 1st ODI

[RedwoodOriginal]

Lights out for the Proteas

 

[MenInG]

I repeat

This post is not for discussion

By posting whatever comes in your heads, you all destroy the atmosphere for all others

We wont let few destroy the place for others.

 

[batandballbattle]

Danger man sent packing
Within 230 now boys cmon

 

[hafizexpress]

That was a proper premier bowler type delivery to own their best batsman

 

[Ahmed216]

Considerable reverse there. Middle pole pushed back

 

[AAli98]

Klaasen telling his team mates in the dugout out Pak ball tampering.

 

[stani_pak]

The question is can Pak chase wtv South Africa post as a final total

 

[Rana]

What was Klaasen complaining about ?

 

[Rana]

Klaasen telling his team mates in the dugout out Pak ball tampering.

Naseem was definitely throwing the ball right onto the pitch

 

[NeVerMind]

Getting dropped has done wonders for Shaheen

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Just basing this off of how he bowls rather than his numbers as of now.

I think he can be a good bowler in white-ball. He has good variation. The only thing he is missing for me is a quicker delivery. Probably bowls a bit too slow.

 

[Ahmed216]

Another 20-25 could be crucial here for SA

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Good comeback by Pakistan

Should wrap this up before 230 now.

 

[alik]

'Seamlessly brilliant?' is that even a word?

Yeah it is but I feel like he overuses some words way too much, still better than wasim akram though

 

[mango_bite77]

Shaheen looks different with extra 5kph

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yeah it is but I feel like he overuses some words way too much, still better than wasim akram though

What does that even mean?

 

[PakPremi]

Abrar actually has bowled well. He also bolwed well in one of the T20 he played. He is OK in white ball cricket.

 

[Human786]

muted commies courtesy Ramiz - 222/8 - 4 to go

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Good spell 2-32 off 10 for Abrar

 

[jnaveen1980]

I just tuned in. Watched one over. The yelling of Rizwan became intolerable. Had to switch off.

 

[Mamoon]

A fit and firing Shaheen is miles better than Naseem and Rauf.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Abrar actually has bowled well. He also bolwed well in one of the T20 he played. He is OK in white ball cricket.

He needs to develop his game as he's an atrocious fielder and with the bat too.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

@Rana @emranabbas As predicted, Pakistan are blowing SA away. Let's have the excuses ready when Pakistan win in 43 overs by 7 wickets.

 

[alik]

What does that even mean?

Without any breaks or stops basically, so like continuously brilliant

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

A fit and firing Shaheen is miles better than Naseem and Rauf.

A fit and firing Shaheen is one of the best bowlers in the world. Rauf should never have been picked after the 18.5 and 18.6 in Melbourne 2022 and was made to look good in Aus thanks to Rizwan. Naseem is overrated and should be dropped.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I just tuned in. Watched one over. The yelling of Rizwan became intolerable. Had to switch off.

Broadcasters seriously need to consider turning down the volume on these stump mics. Personally, I had enough of this when Sarfraz was captain. Don't want to go through this again.

 

[Human786]

229/8 - 3 to go

 

[Rana]

That should have been caught

 

[hafizexpress]

To be honest, if things were reversed and Babar played Klaasen's inning with Pakistan looking to score around 240-ish, he would've been called selfish

 

[Rana]

To be honest, if things were reversed and Babar played Klaasen's inning with Pakistan looking to score around 240-ish, he would've been called selfish

Babar is at 3

Klaasen at 6

They have different roles. Klaasen forced into this role today

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Without any breaks or stops basically, so like continuously brilliant

I don't think it makes any sense as a phrase. Seamless is generally used to describe something smooth, uninterrupted, or well-integrated, not really an apt qualifier for 'brilliant'.

 

[mominsaigol]

To be honest, if things were reversed and Babar played Klaasen's inning with Pakistan looking to score around 240-ish, he would've been called selfish

This is agree on. People are too harsh in bobby in odi and I'm one of babar's defenders in odi.

However I dont back him as a test or t20 bat and I hate rizwan

 

[Mamoon]

A fit and firing Shaheen is one of the best bowlers in the world. Rauf should never have been picked after the 18.5 and 18.6 in Melbourne 2022 and was made to look good in Aus thanks to Rizwan. Naseem is overrated and should be dropped.

I agree. Rauf is a righty version of Wahab. Same brainless tendencies.

Wahab tortured Pakistan for a decade but almost immediately after his retirement, Pakistan unfortunately produced a mirror image.

 

[Omer2002]

I am afraid Janson and Rabada on this wicket will be too good

 

[Human786]

234/8- 2 to go

 

[Rana]

I am afraid Janson and Rabada on this wicket will be too good

Especially Rabada back of a length middle and off stump

 

[Ahmed216]

16* for the 9th wicket

 

[Markhor]

This track has everything

Spin
Uneven bounce
Reverse

Not watching today but worth considering producing these sort of pitches for CT25. We don't have the batting firepower on flat pitches nor the defensive bowling nous as last year's World Cup showed. But on bowler friendly surfaces (as we saw in AUS series) we can compete.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I agree. Rauf is a righty version of Wahab. Same brainless tendencies.

Wahab tortured Pakistan for a decade but almost immediately after his retirement, Pakistan unfortunately produced a mirror image.

Shaheen, Babar, Rizwan are the saving grace for Pakistan in what would otherwise be an average side. They make the side good.

 

[Ahmed216]

Over rate was excellent today for a change

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Babar keeps fumbling at short cover. cant we put better fielder there? had two opportunities to run out

 

[Human786]

236/8- 1 to go

 

[alik]

I don't think it makes any sense as a phrase. Seamless is generally used to describe something smooth, uninterrupted, or well-integrated, not really an apt qualifier for 'brilliant'.

Idk it makes sense to me, if shaheens bowling brilliantly for one or two deliveries only in an over, then it doesn’t make sense. But he’s trying to say he’s been bowling brilliantly for his whole spell, so it’s been uninterrupted with bad balls.

 

[hafizexpress]

Babar is at 3

Klaasen at 6

They have different roles. Klaasen forced into this role today

Just saying, if Babar played the same anchor role that Klaasen did and got out before Pak could finish with a high score, some of you would come after him.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Shame that they couldn't bowl them out tho

 

[Ahmed216]

Such a sluggish surface. Reminds me of CT 2017 semi final against England the way this game has progressed

 

[hafizexpress]

This is agree on. People are too harsh in bobby in odi and I'm one of babar's defenders in odi.

However I dont back him as a test or t20 bat and I hate rizwan

I don't mind Rizwan in ODis either. That's what his game is suited for. He should permanently be booted from T20s but Aqib nor anyone has the guts to. But his nudging around rotating strike game with the odd boundaries is tailor made for ODIs. Similar to Babar except he has the better acceleration game when on song

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Just saying, if Babar played the same anchor role that Klaasen did and got out before Pak could finish with a high score, some of you would come after him.

Exactly hypocrisy of the highest order but at least for every @Rana there is a @Mamoon to provide the thunderstrike of justice

 

[Bhaijaan]

Spirited bowling effort today by Pakistan team reducing South Africa to a mediocre total.

Now the batters have to just bat as per their average and that should be enough for Pakistan to win the first ODI.

South Africans are 30-40 runs short of a competitive total today

 

[Human786]

target 240

 

[Human786]

target 240

easy chase ?

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Babar is at 3

Klaasen at 6

They have different roles. Klaasen forced into this role today

Babar is forced into this role all the time with a terrible line up around him bar Rizwan (and Fakhar when he played).

 

[ethan hunt]

If they go back to the one ball rule . Most of these modern day batters/hitters will be brutally exposed.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

As nice as it generally is to see to see Shaheen doing well in white-ball, you can't help but feel sad about his inability to play the premier format.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

If they go back to the one ball rule . Most of these modern day batters/hitters will be brutally exposed.

But but Travis Head is all format ATG according to minion Gullas.

 

[MMHS]

169/8 in last 40 overs is a tremendous effort, but PAK gave away 70/1 in first 10 (actually 70/0, in 9'4) on this track .... won't be an easy chase here, but I think if PAK bats out 50 overs, should win this one. Rizwan has got a perfect game to chase here ....

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

169/8 in last 40 overs is a tremendous effort, but PAK gave away 70/1 in first 10 (actually 70/0, in 9'4) on this track .... won't be an easy chase here, but I think if PAK bats out 50 overs, should win this one. Rizwan has got a perfect game to chase here ....

Pakistan will comfortably chase this. 42-43 overs with 6 or 7 wickets in hand. Book it. At least one big 50 from Babar/Rizwan.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

As nice as it generally is to see to see Shaheen doing well in white-ball, you can't help but feel sad about his inability to play the premier format.

There is no inability. He hasn't been handled well. His talent rivals Bhumrah's and Starc's and Cummins' in red ball too.

 

[alik]

Our odi team so far has looked really good, if we’re good enough to win series in Australia and SA, we might have a chance at the champions trophy too

 

[Human786]

As nice as it generally is to see to see Shaheen doing well in white-ball, you can't help but feel sad about his inability to play the premier format.

rubbish that this guy is skipping Test matches in SAF imo !

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Our odi team so far has looked really good, if we’re good enough to win series in Australia and SA, we might have a chance at the champions trophy too

Pak are definitely top 3 favourites at CT. I would put only Australia above Pak and in Pak conditions I am not even sure of that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There is no inability. He hasn't been handled well. His talent rivals Bhumrah's and Starc's and Cummins' in red ball too.

That is a big part of it. We have basically run him into the ground by playing him in meaningless T20 matches against New Zealand Z, but at the same time, I just don't think that he has been the same bowler since that knee-injury he suffered a couple of years ago...which was aggravated badly in the T20 WC final.

The Shaheen of 2021-22 was destined for greatness. This version of Shaheen does not seem like he is.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

That is a big part of it. We have basically run him into the ground by playing him in meaningless T20 matches against New Zealand Z, but at the same time, I just don't think that he has been the same bowler since that knee-injury he suffered a couple of years ago. The Shaheen of 2021-22 was destined for greatness. This version of Shaheen does not seem like he is.

There is always a fine line between overplaying and not. In the end every match for your country is important. I am a big believer in trying to win every match. Big tournaments are great but can't put all your eggs into that basket.

 

[Rana]

Recon SA have enough on this track

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Recon SA have enough on this track

Like your other analyses, this will fall flat as well.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

rubbish that this guy is skipping Test matches in SAF imo !

It majorly pissed me off too. Tests are the most important format. Even more important that ODIs and the CT.

But then again maybe he just doesn't have the fitness to play test cricket.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Not watching today but worth considering producing these sort of pitches for CT25. We don't have the batting firepower on flat pitches nor the defensive bowling nous as last year's World Cup showed. But on bowler friendly surfaces (as we saw in AUS series) we can compete.

100%. We've seen repeatedly Pakistan get destroyed on flat pitches across formats. Already witnessed this in 23' WC when Pakistan bowling attack looked toothless on flat pitches and they don't have the batting firepower to match the bigger teams.

Considering it's an ICC event I'd guess they probably make the pitches? Either way, hope it's not flat pitches and we get pitches for ODI's like we saw in 17' CT and 19' WC where bowlers could always find themselves in the game.

 

[Ahmed216]

Recon SA have enough on this track

160 short

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

It majorly pissed me off too. Tests are the most important format. Even more important that ODIs and the CT.

But then again maybe he just doesn't have the fitness to play test cricket.

I would take ICC tournament wins over test series win. Tests are by far Pak's worst format although in principle I tend to agree with you.

 

[Rana]

160 short

Not for Pakistan

 

[Asad T]

Naseem Shah's form is concerning to me going into the CT

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't mind Rizwan in ODis either. That's what his game is suited for. He should permanently be booted from T20s but Aqib nor anyone has the guts to. But his nudging around rotating strike game with the odd boundaries is tailor made for ODIs. Similar to Babar except he has the better acceleration game when on song

Problem with rizzu is that he has declined as a batsmen. Don't get me wrong so has babar however Babar's peak is invaluable.

Babar still has 19 centuries with a 56 avg in odi, even if its inflated it still shows that he's a quality player who can butcher minnows and punish attacks left and right and only quality attacks bother him. Hence you can back him to come back in form.

Rizwan at his peak is literally scoring centuries once in a blue moon and otherwise scoring slow paced 40 runs? So basically Imam ul haq 2.0?

Rizwan declining is far worse then Babar declining because rizwan isn't anywhere close to bobby as a batsmen.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

What happened to SA 400? Clueless. They could not even get 250 lol. It is one thing to smash third string halwa bowlers like Stoinis and a different proposition against Shaheen.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There is always a fine line between overplaying and not. In the end every match for your country is important. I am a big believer in trying to win every match. Big tournaments are great but can't put all your eggs into that basket.

I don't agree with that. Every test match, yes. But bilateral T20s are completely meaningless. With the massive influx of T20 leagues in particular, they serve absolutely no purpose.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I don't agree with that. Every test match, yes. But bilateral T20s are completely meaningless. With the massive influx of T20 leagues in particular, they serve absolutely no purpose.

Fair but for me intl cricket is still intl cricket.

 

[pratiktc]

Cannot believe this Phelukwayo is still playing cricket. And he is only 28

 

[NeVerMind]

I would take ICC tournament wins over test series win. Tests are by far Pak's worst format although in principle I tend to agree with you.

I would take a one test series win against the Aussies in Australia over multiple ICC trophies. Because that has never happened in my lifetime (and I doubt it will) and secondly, a team that beats the Aussies at home is set for a prosperous future (and not the just fluking it every now and then)

 

[Rana]

Oh no

 

[mominsaigol]

What is Abdullah doing opening? Worst batter I've ever seen

 

[Rana]

Dravid out