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Pakistan and India confirm ceasefire ‘with immediate effect’

Very professional description of the aerial combat from a Pakistani Air Force former officer, giving full respect to the professional capabilities of the Indian Air Force and their well-trained pilots. What ensued is a 1-hour gruelling BVR combat over Muzaffarabad, which is unprecedented aerial combat in modern times, showing professional skills on both sides. I think this would be dissected a lot in aviation circles. A lot of neutral international media, especially covering the aerial battle.
Professional analysis from 0:26-3:40, rest is typical sensational newscaster stuff.

 
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amax said:
Very professional description of the aerial combat from a Pakistani Air Force former officer, giving full respect to the professional capabilities of the Indian Air Force and their well-trained pilots. What ensued is a 1-hour gruelling BVR combat over Muzaffarabad, which is unprecedented aerial combat in modern times, showing professional skills on both sides. I think this would be dissected a lot in aviation circles. A lot of neutral international media, especially covering the aerial battle.
Professional analysis from 0:26-3:40, rest is typical sensational newscaster stuff.

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Yes indeed. This fits the narrative better and matches where the 3 Indian aircraft have crashed. All in kashmir sector. There is now visual confirmation of at least two French aircraft and eye witness accounts of the SU30.

No.comfirmation of another two Raffas. I suspect that is just propaganda.

Awaiting Pakistans further response. What's interesting is the Indian services briefing did not field questions and did not deny the crashes.

Finally this attack across international borders should not go unanswered.
 

A plane did crash near Bhatinda ,that the Only real news rest are fake .​

Pakistan didn't shoot any of Indian aircraft and all the Indian pilots are safe

:kp
 
Rana said:
Yeah I’m sure every Indian source is an expert at debunking right now.
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Ignore the extra chatter.. just go to the Indian today report and other reports of the 3 crashes. It partially verifies that an engagement took place in kashmir. Which corroborates the air marshalls assertions. There is visual.comfirmation of 1 dead raffa with its Mica still attached. This has not been deemed old footage as India has not lost a raffa in a crash in recent times. There is a dispute over the other two but one was definitely a two seater. So more than likely a SU30 which we know are vulnerable to our F16's and J10's. So a logical analysis points to:

A major engagement over kashmir
3 crashes on the Indian side which is also logical as you r engaging in beyond visual range combat which means crashes will occur on your own side not the other side.
7 to 9 missile strikes on masjids in Pakistan with a majority in Kashmir. These were by stand off missiles but not sure which service fired them. Some say Indian army which would make sense as they are shorter range and we may not have been expecting that..
 
amax said:
Very professional description of the aerial combat from a Pakistani Air Force former officer, giving full respect to the professional capabilities of the Indian Air Force and their well-trained pilots. What ensued is a 1-hour gruelling BVR combat over Muzaffarabad, which is unprecedented aerial combat in modern times, showing professional skills on both sides. I think this would be dissected a lot in aviation circles. A lot of neutral international media, especially covering the aerial battle.
Professional analysis from 0:26-3:40, rest is typical sensational newscaster stuff.

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Indian airforce attacked deep inside Pakistan for 30 minutes and Pakistan didn't even intercept any missiles . What an achivement. :kp
 
ravisurya said:
Some Pakistani accounts on X are getting desperate and posting images from video games and claiming then to be attack on Indian soil.
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Ignore them. They are looking for clicks..keep an eye on eye witness accounts and crashes on either side of the loc..so if we lost a plane it has to crash on our side and same for your side.
 
the Great Khan said:
Ignore the extra chatter.. just go to the Indian today report and other reports of the 3 crashes. It partially verifies that an engagement took place in kashmir. Which corroborates the air marshalls assertions. There is visual.comfirmation of 1 dead raffa with its Mica still attached. This has not been deemed old footage as India has not lost a raffa in a crash in recent times. There is a dispute over the other two but one was definitely a two seater. So more than likely a SU30 which we know are vulnerable to our F16's and J10's. So a logical analysis points to:

A major engagement over kashmir
3 crashes on the Indian side which is also logical as you r engaging in beyond visual range combat which means crashes will occur on your own side not the other side.
7 to 9 missile strikes on masjids in Pakistan with a majority in Kashmir. These were by stand off missiles but not sure which service fired them. Some say Indian army which would make sense as they are shorter range and we may not have been expecting that..
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1919938290372788625
 
Rajdeep said:
Masood has hijacked an aeroplane, attacked Indian parliament, attacked Akshardham temple in India.

Let me know what Shiv Sena has done.
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Pretty sure they dug up a pitch ahead of a match vs Pakistan.

Also, On 23 March 2017, while travelling to Delhi from Pune, Shiv Sena leader Ravindra Gaikwad was accused of thrashing Air India staff with his shoe, when they tried to make him disembark the plane, after being denied a business class seat because the flight was all-economy.

The Delhi Police had charged him with hitting government staff on duty, as well as taking the plane ransom without departing from the plane. The incident led to the creation of No-Fly List in India, and Gaikwad was the first person to be put on the
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Pretty sure they dug up a pitch ahead of a match vs Pakistan.

Also, On 23 March 2017, while travelling to Delhi from Pune, Shiv Sena leader Ravindra Gaikwad was accused of thrashing Air India staff with his shoe, when they tried to make him disembark the plane, after being denied a business class seat because the flight was all-economy.

The Delhi Police had charged him with hitting government staff on duty, as well as taking the plane ransom without departing from the plane. The incident led to the creation of No-Fly List in India, and Gaikwad was the first person to be put on the
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Yeah, this is equivalent to terrorism.

Pakistanis will never stop doing "sem2sem"
 
If the reports are true regarding Indian Aircraft shot down , then its a massive boost for PAF
 
Shooting down Indian jets in a defensive measure does not do justice to the grave audacity committed by Indian Armed forces by attacking civilian locations and mosques in Pakistan unprovoked.

The videos of Pakistan citizens fleeing to the streets in terror and fear are very hurtful.

Enough is enough! India has made it a habit to blame Pakistan for the consequences they suffer because of their own misadventures in Kashmir. They have failed to integrate the people of Kashmir through all their means of aggression, this isn’t Pakistan’s fault. Pakistan needs to put an end to these repetitive acts of aggression once and for all.

India feels Pakistan cannot afford to go to war. Let’s test it out now.
 
Kianig89 said:
bulgarianmilitary.com

Three Indian jets crash, Pakistan declares five shot down

Three Indian jets crash in Kashmir after strikes; Pakistan claims five shot down. Uncover the escalating crisis, military tech, and global stakes in this clash.
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bbc.com

India: BBC reports from the crash site of unidentified aircraft

Debris from an unidentified aircraft has been found in Pampore in Indian-administered Kashmir.
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From Bulgaria to BBC, reports of aircraft being shot down
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BBC - Pakistan's military "claims" it has shot down five Indian fighter jets but India has not commented yet.

Bulgarian - Pakistan "claims" to have downed 5 Indian Air Force fighter jets
 
Will be interesting how Pakistan will respond to this now during this week
 
As has been pointed out, the Indian public being force fed information about Pakistan’s military and economic structure are under the false impression that they are a rogue section of the world operating like Hammas, and India is apparently well within their rights to defend themselves against a weak, disorganised enemy with little means to defend themselves a bit like Hammas.
 
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Major said:
Will be interesting how Pakistan will respond to this now during this week
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You think they will be responding to this attack which was due to terrorists Pak perpetrated on 23 April ?

OR

They will be responding to BLA train hijack which they claim to have Indian hand?

:kp
 
Rana said:
India feels Pakistan cannot afford to go to war. Let’s test it out now.
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It's more than just a feeling. India knows Pakistan cannot afford and sustain a war for a long enough period.
 
saimayubera said:
BBC - Pakistan's military "claims" it has shot down five Indian fighter jets but India has not commented yet.

Bulgarian - Pakistan "claims" to have downed 5 Indian Air Force fighter jets
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Same as Indian "'claims" that it struck terrorist infrastructure.
 
Hikaru said:
It's more than just a feeling. India knows Pakistan cannot afford and sustain a war for a long enough period.
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Ok. Well we will find out now will we not? Indian military basis putting out white flags in less than 12 hours? Who can’t afford to go to war again?
 
Rana said:
Ok. Well we will find out now will we not? Indian military basis putting out white flags in less than 12 hours? Who can’t afford to go to war again?
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White flags lol.

This your ISPR propaganda?

Aa jao. Come on.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Indians celebrating children dying on social media, while Pakistanis were

This is the level these vermin can stoop to.
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Indians are celebrating Masood Azhar's 10 family members being killed who has perpetrated plane hijack, Indian parliament attack, 26/11, Akshardham temple attack etc etc. No one is celebrating killings of innocent children. No need to give emotional colour to it.

Pakistan has been doing terrorism in India since 1990s more than 3 decades as per your own defence ministers admission. Had they kept a check on these terrorists and tried to act like a mature country, this day would not have come.
 
Rana said:
Ok. Well we will find out now will we not? Indian military basis putting out white flags in less than 12 hours? Who can’t afford to go to war again?
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You actually beleive that, okay. Seemed very sketchy to me.
 
Major said:
Why cant this saimayubera idiot be banned?
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what’s that going to do? He represents the sentiment of his people. A sentiment of clear hate. Let him stay, let him express the hate when his country will see the consequences of this hate rhetoric.
 
Well well, turns out global leaders just don't care about India's plight, especially after India was exposed by the 5eyes for committing terrorism on Canadian soil

A simple message to the cult, in the modern world there is something called, evidence, if you have, show it.

Happy photo shopping!
 
Indian Propaganda: “India has to deal with Pakistani terror sleeper cells, the hidden enemy within us”

Pakistanis: yeah we went right in and knocked down your jets and forced white flags at your check posts

Indian denial: Pakistan hamare andar ghuss nahi sakta, it’s a lie!


Bruv…stick to one narrative!
 
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Rana said:
Indian Propaganda: “India has to deal with Pakistani terror sleeper cells, the hidden enemy within us”

Pakistanis: yeah we went right in and knocked down your jets and forced white flags at your check posts

Indian denial: Pakistan hamare andar ghuss nahi sakta, it’s a lie!


Bruv…stick to one narrative!
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india laid the smackdown on Pakistan. Already admitted by pak establishment with 8 deaths and 35 injured.

That is the only truth

Rest you can cook up your dream story with ukraine war photos, photos from 2021 and sharing literal hindi news clips talking about pakistan and call it Indian jets
 
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Totally agree with ghairatmand Pakistani posters that downing a few planes is not a revenge at all. Bharat has hit PoK and Punjab. Only face saving will be to target Bharatiya cities. Anything less will never cover up this humiliation, it will continue to sting no matter how unaffected they act online.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Well well, turns out global leaders just don't care about India's plight, especially after India was exposed by the 5eyes for committing terrorism on Canadian soil

A simple message to the cult, in the modern world there is something called, evidence, if you have, show it.

Happy photo shopping!
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India is running to USA and UK now but they don't want to know and India media reporting it as a briefing to UK and USA 🤣🤣🤣
 
The downside of Indian media denying Pakistani retaliation is that it effectively gives Pakistan a free pass. They now know the Indian media will turn a blind eye, allowing them to escalate further without accountability.
 
emranabbas said:
India thought they were shooting for a bollywoid movie untill reality hit them hard

5 indian jets downed + 1 drone
Attack on several posts
Pakistan advancing in kashmir poor India had to put up a white flag of peace
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Pakistan also won ct 2025 bro.
Also last heard Pakistan has taken over New Delhi and is coming for Mumbai
 
Nephrologist said:
india laid the smackdown on Pakistan. Already admitted by pak establishment with 8 deaths and 35 injured.

That is the only truth

Rest you can cook up your dream story with ukraine war photos, photos from 2021 and sharing literal hindi news clips talking about pakistan and call it Indian jets

Cry more
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Indians are celebrating missile attacks like some big military achievement ,standalone ground and aerial weapons were used to attack by india(a strong professional force) , they will definitely cause damage , even USA will not be able to stop damage in that case. Celebrating that as tactical brilliance is like celebrating breathing as challenging workout.
 
Hikaru said:
Totally agree with ghairatmand Pakistani posters that downing a few planes is not a revenge at all. Bharat has hit PoK and Punjab. Only face saving will be to target Bharatiya cities. Anything less will never cover up this humiliation, it will continue to sting no matter how unaffected they act online.
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You are right, only targeting Indian cities would be a equable counter, but it is probably good that Pakistan has shown some restraint. Indian strike on Pakistan cities was deplorable, it is an unquestionable act of war.
 
amax said:
Indians are celebrating missile attacks like some big military achievement ,standalone ground and aerial weapons were used to attack by india(a strong professional force) , they will definitely cause damage , even USA will not be able to stop damage in that case. Celebrating that as tactical brilliance is like celebrating breathing as challenging workout.
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But but but zero tolerance.. wont tolerate any attack by India on Pak soil bro.. nuclear powaaa..
 
Nephrologist said:
india laid the smackdown on Pakistan. Already admitted by pak establishment with 8 deaths and 35 injured.

That is the only truth

Rest you can cook up your dream story with ukraine war photos, photos from 2021 and sharing literal hindi news clips talking about pakistan and call it Indian jets
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So those plane crashes in IOK and Punjab are Pakistani jets?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
The downside of Indian media denying Pakistani retaliation is that it effectively gives Pakistan a free pass. They now know the Indian media will turn a blind eye, allowing them to escalate further without accountability.
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There will be an escalation. And it isn't going to end in a day or so like 2019. The rules have changed now.
 
amax said:
Indians are celebrating missile attacks like some big military achievement ,standalone ground and aerial weapons were used to attack by india(a strong professional force) , they will definitely cause damage , even USA will not be able to stop damage in that case. Celebrating that as tactical brilliance is like celebrating breathing as challenging workout.
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True, but USA will do something about it, the revenge would be deadly. Let's see how Pakistan reponds.
 
Buzzinga said:
They are free to do it if they think they can sustain a full blown war. As per Indian claim no military installations or civilian areas were targeted. They only targeted terrorist hideouts.
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Its the only way now forward now..
 
Remains to be seen if there is going to be a big retaliation attempt from Pakistan after Bharat managed precision strikes well inside their territory resulting in dozens of causalities.

So far it seems like Pakistan is going to use unconfirmed reports of downing fightjets as their retaliation narrative and not further escalate. They could well fall in a carefully planned trap by Bharat by attempting to respond in a similar manner.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
So those plane crashes in IOK and Punjab are Pakistani jets?
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There was defnly one jet crash near bhatinda (no death)
Not the cooked up stories of 5-6 jets and pows bro.
You literally shared a bogus article above calling it India Tv news coverage.. that coverage literally was talking about pak places being hit.
I expect atleast you to look at atleast the title of the source u r posting .. just coz pakistanis cant read Hindi, people are sharing literally hindi news article talking about Jaish, Lashkar targets being it and calling it Indian jets
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
The downside of Indian media denying Pakistani retaliation is that it effectively gives Pakistan a free pass. They now know the Indian media will turn a blind eye, allowing them to escalate further without accountability.
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I think brother, this escalation without restraints is important now. It will never end otherwise.

Let them see war, and digest it how they wish to do so.
 
Bhaijaan said:
So far it seems like Pakistan is going to use unconfirmed reports of downing fightjets as their retaliation narrative and not further escalate
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What we do know is India will deny any attack now by Pakistan forces in the heart of civilian population. As if it never happened. They can foot the bill within themselves I suppose. Pakistan will be happy not to take any accountability of something that never happened apparently.
 
Read it again and then post now.
MenInG said:
These are troubling times for all concerned.

As a policy on PakPassion, we are forbidding any posts that celebrate war and losses of life.

This is a forum for civil discussion - there are no sides, just discussions.

Stick to our rules and you will not be restricted in your posts or banned.
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Rana said:
What we do know is India will deny any attack now by Pakistan forces in the heart of civilian population. As if it never happened. They can foot the bill within themselves I suppose. Pakistan will be happy not to take any accountability of something that never happened apparently.
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Brother,
I have no problem with the obvious stuff. We are in a state of war and sensitive information isn’t going to be released for anyone’s amusement by either side.

I’m just trying to analyse this escalation from a broader view.

What do you think, Pakistan likely to retaliate in a similar manner or you’re good with downing 6 fighter jets including a couple of Rafales?

What serves your objectives better
 
Pak Army destroys Indian battalion headquarters, several soldiers killed

mmnews.tv

Pak Army destroys Indian battalion headquarters, several soldiers killed

Sources have reported that the Pakistan Army has destroyed the battalion headquarters of the Indian Army’s 6 Mahar Unit, located across the Line of Control (LoC) in Indian-occupied Kashmir, opposite the Leepa Valley. The attack reportedly resulted in multiple Indian soldiers being killed.
mmnews.tv mmnews.tv
 
BouncerGuy said:
Read it again and then post now.
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Go on a deleting, banning spree if needed brother. I fully welcome it as a seasoned poster here.

People need to stop trolling and being war obsessed.

I think not a bad time to induct a few more volunteers for moderation work in case you’ll dealing with manpower issues.

We will fully support the admin team brother
 
Nephrologist said:
There was defnly one jet crash near bhatinda (no death)
Not the cooked up stories of 5-6 jets and pows bro.
You literally shared a bogus article above calling it India Tv news coverage.. that coverage literally was talking about pak places being hit.
I expect atleast you to look at atleast the title of the source u r posting .. just coz pakistanis cant read Hindi, people are sharing literally hindi news article talking about Jaish, Lashkar targets being it and calling it Indian jets
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I didn't share any article I shared a video. Which part of the video mentioned Lashkar?
 
Rana said:
What we do know is India will deny any attack now by Pakistan forces in the heart of civilian population. As if it never happened. They can foot the bill within themselves I suppose. Pakistan will be happy not to take any accountability of something that never happened apparently.
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Good if that makes you happy
How can India deny if there is proof? Just like how India dropping missiles in Pak cant be denied as there is actual proof of it.
 
emranabbas said:
Pak Army destroys Indian battalion headquarters, several soldiers killed

mmnews.tv

Pak Army destroys Indian battalion headquarters, several soldiers killed

Sources have reported that the Pakistan Army has destroyed the battalion headquarters of the Indian Army’s 6 Mahar Unit, located across the Line of Control (LoC) in Indian-occupied Kashmir, opposite the Leepa Valley. The attack reportedly resulted in multiple Indian soldiers being killed.
mmnews.tv mmnews.tv
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And they haven't declared it, yet?
 
Nephrologist said:
There was defnly one jet crash near bhatinda (no death)
Not the cooked up stories of 5-6 jets and pows bro.
You literally shared a bogus article above calling it India Tv news coverage.. that coverage literally was talking about pak places being hit.
I expect atleast you to look at atleast the title of the source u r posting .. just coz pakistanis cant read Hindi, people are sharing literally hindi news article talking about Jaish, Lashkar targets being it and calling it Indian jets
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Reuters has confirmed three downed jets. Also visual confirmations of three. Indian journalists have confirmed one for sure and two others too. Indian media has confirmed three "crashes". There is no denying this one. Now were they shot down or not? I mean you do the math. Large forces in the area. Planes flying around. Suddenly 3 crashes.

As for targeting Pakistan. You hit very soft civilian targets and killed women and children. Do you think this will cause an escalation or de escalation??
 
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