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Also please note that my comment isn't related to religion. I'm not aware how mosques function world wide but whatever i have seen in India, I don't think they allow Women and Children to stay overnight there.I'm not disrespecting any dead , but please tell me do you seriously believe there were women and children in a mosque which used to be hideout for terrorists in the middle of the night at 1 am? Does any mosque have children inside during that time?
Some pictures were circulated in this thread as deceased children by Pakistanis which turned out to be fake. Example - that cake kid which was randomly taken out from Internet and posted by @Rana , turned out that kid is from India.
You have advised several times to not trust Indian Media and rightly so. But looks like you're doing the same with Pakistan is so angelic and India is so evil propaganda dissed out by Pak Media and Army.
If you don't know about something then you should ask @Farhan The Man first....14 years experienceAlso please note that my comment isn't related to religion. I'm not aware how mosques function world wide but whatever i have seen in India, I don't think they allow Women and Children to stay overnight there.
I'm not disrespecting any dead , but please tell me do you seriously believe there were women and children in a mosque which used to be hideout for terrorists in the middle of the night at 1 am? Does any mosque have children inside during that time?
Some pictures were circulated in this thread as deceased children by Pakistanis which turned out to be fake. Example - that cake kid which was randomly taken out from Internet and posted by @Rana , turned out that kid is from India.
You have advised several times to not trust Indian Media and rightly so. But looks like you're doing the same with Pakistan is so angelic and India is so evil propaganda dissed out by Pak Media and Army.
Just shared my observations from India. In fact there is a mosque at a walking distance from my apartment. I have hardly seen any gathering there during night.If you don't know about something then you should ask @Farhan The Man first....14 years experience
Pakistan’s military says it has shot down 77 drones launched from India over two days
Pakistan’s military spokesperson, Lieutenant General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry, says that Pakistan has so far shot down 77 drones launched from India over the last two days, while also challenging the Indian authorities to “show debris of at least one Pakistani aircraft or drone that Pakistan has fired”.
The military spokesperson also provided an update on the total death toll from Indian missile strikes on several locations in Pakistan on Wednesday, saying a total of 33 people have died, with another 76 injured.
“There are 33 slain, all civilians [with] seven females and five children. There are 62 injured civilians, including 10 females and two children,” he added.
He said there had been no deaths among the military, while 14 military personnel had been injured.
Source: Al Jazeera
Family of seminary teachers also usually reside in Seminaries. Also for students seeking religious education, Seminaries act as a hostel like everywhere else in the world. And obviously mostly for those from out stations.Just shared my observations from India. In fact there is a mosque at a walking distance from my apartment. I have hardly seen any gathering there during night.
Post #34444Just shared my observations from India. In fact there is a mosque at a walking distance from my apartment. I have hardly seen any gathering there during night.
I appreciate the reply and don't deny that missiles may have hit the civilian areas. Loss of lives (innocent civilians or soldiers) shouldn't be celebrated.If you have courage to hear, or even care to read. Then lemme tell you, many of the missiles fell in civilians area, even one fell right in the middle of road. Not all of Indian missiles hit Mosques tbh, yes few of them did hit i wont deny that. But few, fell at Civilians due to which we lost some lives.
Hppe now you understand what we are saying. Believe it or not, its upto you wont go in much details which are already shared here like dozens of time.
And yeah similarly, i condemn the death of Indian civilians at LOC. Loss of innocent lives should not be celebrated. (Sadly, many Indians are doing it by labeling it as Terrorists death)
Yeah and there was a Seminar before one day of attack, something like this..Family of seminary teachers also usually reside in Seminaries. Also for students seeking religious education, Seminaries act as a hostel like everywhere else in the world. And obviously mostly for those from out stations.
I appreciate the reply and don't deny that missiles may have hit the civilian areas. Loss of lives (innocent civilians or soldiers) shouldn't be celebrated.
I was replying to @DeadlyVenom who firmly believes that India only hit civilians and Pakistan is only hitting military bases and air bases. Nobody has moral high ground here.
Indian bases should be on the menu.Even Hindu Kashmiris are pleading that Pakistan stop attacking and instead attacks Mumbai or Delhi
Are you acting now brother? See the videos and reels below the insta account.What do u mean celeb he has 72 followers is it the same guy who lead the prayer?
I have monitored both medias and I am well aware of Pak media and ISI usually tricks this time I think they are on the level. I also genuinely don't believe Pakistan was responsible for this Kashmir attack. I think they feel they have the moral high ground and are being (mainly) above board this time.I'm not disrespecting any dead , but please tell me do you seriously believe there were women and children in a mosque which used to be hideout for terrorists in the middle of the night at 1 am? Does any mosque have children inside during that time?
Some pictures were circulated in this thread as deceased children by Pakistanis which turned out to be fake. Example - that cake kid which was randomly taken out from Internet and posted by @Rana , turned out that kid is from India.
You have advised several times to not trust Indian Media and rightly so. But looks like you're doing the same with Pakistan is so angelic and India is so evil propaganda dissed out by Pak Media and Army.
@Bhaijaan I don't understand you man. Do you have Split personality disorder or something?
@Bhaijaan I don't understand you man. Do you have Split personality disorder or something?
Sometimes you preach Sanatan, Dharma and what not.. Pakistani brothers blah blah blah
Couple of hours later- completely different person.
You should have stayed as 'freelancr cricketer' . This Bhaijaan avatar is messing you up.
Where do you think Seperatists/Terrorists get their weapons (Sophisticated ARs like AK47, not desi one) , explosives, Funding , training etc in a land locked region of J&K?I have monitored both medias and I am well aware of Pak media and ISI usually tricks this time I think they are on the level. I also genuinely don't believe Pakistan was responsible for this Kashmir attack. I think they feel they have the moral high ground and are being (mainly) above board this time.
This is not through patriotic lenses etc just honest analysis
Where do you think Seperatists/Terrorists get their weapons (Sophisticated ARs like AK47, not desi one) , explosives, Funding , training etc in a land locked region of J&K?
Unless you believe these bunch run factories to manufacture AK47, Glocks and have currency printing units inside Kashmir.
Who do you think was responsible for Kashmir attack this time or historically?
ClicheIndia
Huh. TypicalIndia
Cliche would be Pakistan, mine was original based on fact that had India not occupied Kashmir against the will of Kashmiri then Indian and Pakistan would be competing against China.Cliche
We were told that even if Rahul Gandhi looked like Madhuri Dixit and had Aishwarya Rai as his Home Secretary, he still wouldn't stand a chance against Modi. So really, who’s left?And before you say it was an inside job, let me tell you why its unlikely. In a vast country like India, where there are numerous opposition parties who are out there for blood of Modi, hoping and praying for demise of BJP, one leak and they'll be gone forever. They can't foolproof something like this. RAW or Indian Govt isn't like CIA where they can bury something and nobody will get any clue.
We have seperate Army, Navy and Airforce Chief. Seperate RAW division. Unlike Pakistan where everything is closely knitted. Managing everyone in secrecy is impossible.
Our own politicians questioned and dissected Balakot operation and it was humiliating for BJP. They simply aren't capable, pain and simple. No govt in India(BJP or otherwise ) can survive something like this.
Thats like saying Pakistani establishment are killing their own civilians through BLA, TTP to remain relevant. If thats what you believe, i have nothing else to add.India
Pakistani establishment has killed its own civilian.Thats like saying Pakistani establishment are killing their own civilians through BLA, TTP to remain relevant. If thats what you believe, i have nothing else to add.
War is inevitable now.Large Indian fleet apparently in a forward position in the Arabian Sea close to Karachi.
It isa part of the world where weapons are freely available. Borders are porous. I think there is a genuine indigenous Kashmiri movement who wants independence and is willing to fight for it. When you read about Indian atrocities in the area you can see why these groups feel they need to operate. I think it was a local group who did this attack.Where do you think Seperatists/Terrorists get their weapons (Sophisticated ARs like AK47, not desi one) , explosives, Funding , training etc in a land locked region of J&K?
Unless you believe these bunch run factories to manufacture AK47, Glocks and have currency printing units inside Kashmir.
Who do you think was responsible for Kashmir attack this time or historically?
Told by who?We were told that even if Rahul Gandhi looked like Madhuri Dixit and had Aishwarya Rai as his Home Secretary, he still wouldn't stand a chance against Modi. So really, who’s left?
I don't think it was inside job. No chance. I don't believe in false flags in most cases.And before you say it was an inside job, let me tell you why its unlikely. In a vast country like India, where there are numerous opposition parties who are out there for blood of Modi, hoping and praying for demise of BJP, one leak and they'll be gone forever. They can't foolproof something like this. RAW or Indian Govt isn't like CIA where they can bury something and nobody will get any clue.
We have seperate Army, Navy and Airforce Chief. Seperate RAW division. Unlike Pakistan where everything is closely knitted. Managing everyone in secrecy is impossible.
Our own politicians questioned and dissected Balakot operation and it was humiliating for BJP. They simply aren't capable, pain and simple. No govt in India(BJP or otherwise ) can survive something like this.
Jinnah wanted rulers of the Princely states to decide which country they want to join and congress wanted votes. Jinnah's terms were agreed. Rulers of Kashmir chose to remain independent and after the tribal attack, signed accession to India.Cliche would be Pakistan, mine was original based on fact that had India not occupied Kashmir against the will of Kashmiri then Indian and Pakistan would be competing against China.
Your point isn’t just invalid, it’s built entirely on imagination.Told by who?
Do you follow Indian politics? Apart from Congress, There are people like Akhilesh Yadav(SP), Mamata Banerjee (TMC) , Lalu and sons (RJD), Kejriwal(AAP), Left parties etc These are some of the names who are like sworn enemies of Modi.
Right they don't stand a chance in forming a govt thats why they'll always be looking for something to bring BJP to its knees. Thats my point.
Bhai these kind of weapons aren't freely available. Can you procure 1000 AK47s or truck load of explosives etc sitting in Islamabad,even if you have money? They have to come from somewhere, sumggled from somewhere. J&K doesn't have a sea route.It isa part of the world where weapons are freely available. Borders are porous. I think there is a genuine indigenous Kashmiri movement who wants independence and is willing to fight for it. When you read about Indian atrocities in the area you can see why these groups feel they need to operate. I think it was a local group who did this attack.
Historically Pakistan may have had involvement and support, but this time I don't think it was the case.
It is a horrible situation that will never be resolved via terrorism or military might. Only diplomacy.
Kashmiri fought on the ground, not Jinnah or whoever the Prince was. Jinnah died a year after independence.Jinnah wanted rulers of the Princely states to decide which country they want to join and congress wanted votes. Jinnah's terms were agreed. Rulers of Kashmir chose to remain independent and after the tribal attack, signed accession to India.
Thats because you don't want anything with reality. If you had any idea about Indian politics, you'd have seen the validity of my points.Your point isn’t just invalid, it’s built entirely on imagination.
Exactly, it is a proxy war. Balouchis aren't making weapons at home.Bhai these kind of weapons aren't freely available. Can you procure 1000 AK47s or truck load of explosives etc sitting in Islamabad,even if you have money? They have to come from somewhere, sumggled from somewhere. J&K doesn't have a sea route.
No! I do not as there is none. Next general elections in India will be in the year 2029. Plenty of time to make people forget about it, all BJP has to say, "Pakistan and Muslims".Thats because you don't want anything with reality. If you had any idea about Indian politics, you'd have seen the validity of my points.
But Jinnah was the leader of Pakistan. You are acting like if people had any choices back then. india was divided by the leaders of Muslim league, Congress and Britain. The people on the ground had no choices and above all muslim league was against votingKashmiri fought on the ground, not Jinnah or whoever the Prince was. Jinnah died a year after independence.
That fight lasted years, and still continue, and probably will continue, and most likely to continue since India has decided to open up another front, IWT.But Jinnah was the leader of Pakistan. You are acting like if people had any choices back then. india was divided by the leaders of Muslim league, Congress and Britain. The people on the ground had no choices and above all muslim league was against voting
It was 4 gunmen only this time so it is entirely possible that it was indigenousBhai these kind of weapons aren't freely available. Can you procure 1000 AK47s or truck load of explosives etc sitting in Islamabad,even if you have money? They have to come from somewhere, sumggled from somewhere. J&K doesn't have a sea route.
Even if agree with India's involvement with Balochistan. It doesn't share the border with India. Indians can't just drop inside Balochistan from thin air or drop the weapons for the Seperatists. At best they could take the Afghan route. Thats what you need to prove at world stage. Prove the Indian involvement. Weapons, Money trails, Training camps etc etc. There can be thousand ways.Exactly, it is a proxy war. Balouchis aren't making weapons at home.
In Baluchistan, ethnicity was asked before shooting and in Kashmir, religion.
India is a bit more upset this time.
Grok saaaarrrrDude, do you even know how Drones work and whats their purpose?)
Pls ask GROK
That's the destiny of this land . People had no choices. India wasn't divided based on voting or people's choice and this is a fact. India at least has some sort of democracy with election(not much afterwards) but Pakistan doesn't even have that. People's choice haven't matterred much.That fight lasted years, and still continue, and probably will continue, and most likely to continue since India has decided to open up another front, IWT.
Even if agree with India's involvement with Balochistan. It doesn't share the border with India. Indians can't just drop inside Balochistan from thin air or drop the weapons for the Seperatists. At best they could take the Afghan route. Thats what you need to prove at world stage. Prove the Indian involvement. Weapons, Money trails, Training camps etc etc. There can be thousand ways.
Here in Kashmir, Terrorists have only one way-Pakistan. Where else can they get their supplies.
So whats more obvious Pakistan's involvement in Kashmir or India's involvement in Balochistan?
How is that relevant?That's the destiny of this land . People had no choices. India wasn't divided based on voting or people's choice and this is a fact. India at least has some sort of democracy with election(not much afterwards) but Pakistan doesn't even have that. People's choice haven't matterred much.
This is scary, its a fact that Indian naval is superior to ours.
Thank you. It will never happen looking at your historical predictions about IndiaMay India's warship get completely destroyed.
Opportunity for Pakistan and China to cripple India's economy, military, and more.
And Pakistan's isn't? Pakistan is in conflict with Iran, Afghanistan and India. With China it's a different power dynamics. Size and scale of economy is just too big and Pakistan has to be subservient. Pakistan china friendship isn't a friendship of two equals.How is that relevant?
India is in conflict with every neighbor.
Allah karey koi blue whale is fleet ko kha jayeLarge Indian fleet apparently in a forward position in the Arabian Sea close to Karachi.
And Pakistan's isn't? Pakistan is in conflict with Iran, Afghanistan and India. With China it's a different power dynamics. Size and scale of economy is just too big and Pakistan has to be subservient. Pakistan china friendship isn't a friendship of two equals.
People talk about @Devadwal and others but this guy is the biggest islamic extremist here. Just because of religion, no Pakistan poster doesn't call him out. Always calls out for genocide of India because of his hatred for Hindu religion.May India's warship get completely destroyed.
Opportunity for Pakistan and China to cripple India's economy, military, and more.
Now it's Taliban government in Afghanistan, Pakistan's favourite good Taliban. How come Pakistan is still in conflict with Afghanistan?LOL, The conflict between Pakistan and India isn't of two equal but yet Pak continue to defend against India's aggression.
Pakistan is not in conflict with Iran, if it wasn't for Western powers, Pak and Iran would had the oil pipeline.
In Afghanistan, if it wasn't for India, Pak would have no conflict with Afghanistan either.
Only India is in immediate conflict with all of its neighbor.
China is always going to be bigger than any country in the region.
Hearing some grim news all over.
The Pakistan Army's Fatah-II long-range surface-to-surface missile was successfully intercepted by India's Barak-8 missile defence system over Sirsa.
WTH?
Escalating to this level is unheard of. At this rate, what will happen if interception fails? All the major cities in Pakistan are in the range for Indian missiles but not for Pakistan.
Hope some common sense prevails, before any major escalation.
You need to read the rule about only posting from reputable sources. Godi media is not acceptable.Hearing some grim news all over.
The Pakistan Army's Fatah-II long-range surface-to-surface missile was successfully intercepted by India's Barak-8 missile defence system over Sirsa.
WTH?
Escalating to this level is unheard of. At this rate, what will happen if interception fails? All the major cities in Pakistan are in the range for Indian missiles but not for Pakistan.
Hope some common sense prevails, before any major escalation.
Sirsa is 500Km away from border. How else are they going to attack without surface to surface missile?Source? If it’s Indian then never mind
This strategy to project firing at own soil is not working whatsoever. Its really embarrassing like playing hide and seek in an open ground.India has fired ballistic missiles that fell in its own territory, says Pakistan’s military
Lieutenant General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry, the director general of the military’s media wing, Inter-Services Public Relations, claims that India has fired “six ballistic missiles” that fell on its own territory.
The military spokesperson delivered the address in the early hours of Saturday and alleged that India had fired missiles at a Sikh community on its own soil.
Chaudhry claimed that five missiles fell in Amritsar and one missile fell in Adampur, both cities in the Indian state of Punjab.
Al Jazeera