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Pakistan bowled out for 240 on Day 1 of 1st Test against Australia

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shariqnoor said:
Haris wil be a walking wicket on this tour. Happen to be proven wrong but nothing tells me he will succeed. Imam or Abid would've been a better choice.

Abbas is a trundler who needs conditions to go in his favour to do anything substantial. I don't think Australia / South Africa are his places to perform. Imran Khan is also a trundler but he got 5 wickets in the practice game which gets him ahead of Abbas. Don't see anything wrong in that.
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Most people are forgetting the bolded part. Both are similar bowlers. Right now IK is doing better.
 
Markhor said:
Brisbane is one of the most daunting venues for touring teams but batting first gives us a chance. If we can score 350 at least the bowlers will have something to work with.

As for the lineup, I would think Abbas would replace Yasir in the day night Test. It does help we now have a 5th bowler in the shape of Iftikhar Ahmed.

That'll allow us to keep our pacers fresh unlike last time when our four man attack couldn't cope.
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Last time we put up 350 in the first innings in Gabba, Australia ended up scoring 550!
Last time we put up 350+ in the first innings in Australia (Boxing Day Test 2016), Australia again ended up scoring 550+!

But I am not hoping at all for a repeat of history. Things are bound to change and if we do end up with a decent first innings score - something like 350+ - Australians are bound to collapse under scoreboard pressure against Pakistan (for once).

Opening partnership is absolute key; if they manage to see off new ball, it will become hell of a lot easier for the middle order to score freely. If the likes of Babar and Shafiq are exposed to a newish ball then I fear the worst ; a familiar collapse might be on the cards.
 
Hawkeye said:
So you think we have a chance of winning this?

Glad to see faith in our Test team is back. :najam
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It's gone up from 0% to 5% after the toss. It'll be back to 0% after the new ball spell is over :starc
 
Hawkeye said:
Very true.

Some people are slitting their wrists over Abbas as if he's the next coming of McGrath or Asif.

His harmless trundling was very well exposed in SA. Tbh, there's not much difference in both IK and Abbas, in terms of their skillset and type. Waqar must have seen what IK is doing better than Abbas.
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Actually it was Waqar himself a few days ago that said Abbas had a similar skillset to McGrath :))
 
Hawkeye said:
Watch how Abbas got clobbered in the SA series. He's also pretty harmless with his trundling.

You're pretty delusional to think Abbas is any more skilled than Imran. In an ideal bowling lineup, both won't be playing, but we don't have the bowlers.

Waqar knows more than you, on the ground situation and who's bowling better there.
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he didn't even get that clobbered. he looked good at times. first tour to SA is always tricky
and no i'm actually convinced he's a lot more skilled than imran. he's in demand in the english first class scene and highly rated. regardless he averages 20 after 14 test matches, you can't fraud your way to those kind of figures as a fast bowler. imran has no pedigree whatsoever and has no right to play over abbas
and right because a coach picked him that means it must be the right decision? basically what you're saying is selection howlers never happen. they happen all the time and especially where pakistan is concerned
 
majiz said:
he didn't even get that clobbered. he looked good at times. first tour to SA is always tricky
and no i'm actually convinced he's a lot more skilled than imran. he's in demand in the english first class scene and highly rated. regardless he averages 20 after 14 test matches, you can't fraud your way to those kind of figures as a fast bowler. imran has no pedigree whatsoever and has no right to play over abbas
and right because a coach picked him that means it must be the right decision? basically what you're saying is selection howlers never happen. they happen all the time and especially where pakistan is concerned
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Your argument is based on a false assumption that Abbas is a much better bowler.

No, he isn't.

SA tour was a reflection of how he'll be treated on decent batting surfaces.

I have nothing against Abbas - just that, both IK and Abbas are similar bowlers.
 
Okay so folks already got their excuses ready before even the first ball is bowled...why no Abbas? :yk2

Yasir should have been the one not playing.
 
Finally going to watch a Pakistan game after a long, long time. Had completely stopped watching while the Mickey and Sarfaraz circus was going on.
 
What was that National Anthem, should have hired someone better to sing the National Anthem.
 
Harris over Imam/Abid? Imran over Abbas? In what world this make sense? Misbah you legend.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Okay so folks already got their excuses ready before even the first ball is bowled...why no Abbas? :yk2
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Well, Abbas or no Abbas; don't think that ever was going to be a big factor in Australia.

It's all about how the batting copes with the pace trio. If they put up decent totals, bowling might be able to do something with the aid of scoreboard pressure.
 
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Imran still doesn't have the fitness to bowl in international cricket with his massive grunts sending down 125-130kph deliveries. He isn't any young either at 33 and to top it off he picked up around 5 wickets in his last 5 FC games in Pakistan but picked due to getting a 5fer in the first practice game.
 
Abdul said:
Finally going to watch a Pakistan game after a long, long time. Had completely stopped watching while the Mickey and Sarfaraz circus was going on.
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Good.

Even the Mickey Arthur brigade has started having faith in our Test team again.

Refreshing to see this positivity, after the darkness.
 
Haha, Wasim bhai in the commentary panel for the first time in Australia. Brace yourself for a stats-overkill!
 
Criminal to leave out Abbas! Unless he has some sort of injury.

No more than 2 down at lunch is the target imo.
 
Its Pak’s first test with numbers and names on the kits.
 
Shan "dad's dream" Masood.

You better score at least 2 centuries this tour and turn things around. Been a failure so far, averages 26 in 15 Tests.
 
Seen Sheen said:
Well, Abbas or no Abbas; don't think that ever was going to be a big factor in Australia.

It's how the batting copes with the pace trio. If they put up decent totals, bowling might be able to do something with the aid of scoreboard pressure.
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Imran actually is a pretty decent selection, would have been a horrible decision to put an off form trundler against the likes of Warner, at least Imran showed some form in the first warm-up.
 
Starc is getting swing but it wont remain their for long
 
Hawkeye said:
Your argument is based on a false assumption that Abbas is a much better bowler.

No, he isn't.

SA tour was a reflection of how he'll be treated on decent batting surfaces.

I have nothing against Abbas - just that, both IK and Abbas are similar bowlers.
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no it's not a false assumption. thats your ballgame. a false assumption is to suggest that abbas isn't better than imran. in fact i'm flattering you by even calling it that, it's just plain lunacy. all the statistical and anecdotal evidence proves he's a better bowler. imran khan took a 5-for in a practice game . nothing more
 
Hawkeye said:
Okay genius, pray tell, why is that criminal?

Reason?
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Because anyone who has any idea of cricket, Pakistan team and the Gabba would know line and length is crucial on this track and Abbas is by far the most accurate.

You dont need to be genius, just have a few braincells to know this. :inti
 
Hyperion66 said:
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Imran actually is a pretty decent selection, would have been a horrible decision to put an off form trundler against the likes of Warner, at least Imran showed some form in the first warm-up.
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Yep.

Imagine David Warner and Smith facing 125 kph thunderbolts of Abbas.

These same guys having a meltdown over Abbas would've been abusing Misbah for selecting him.
 
I do not think Haris is the right choice at 3.

He's been in awful form off late and hasn't been able to play anything over 140kph this tour.

I would have gone for Imam and Shan on top with Azhar at 3.
 
In the warmups Azhar and Haris got out early, then the middle order and Shan would stabilise. I hope Azhar and Haris do well so that the middle order don't face the new ball and can play with a bit more freedom.
A lot will rest on the shoulders of Babar and Asad.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Because anyone who has any idea of cricket, Pakistan team and the Gabba would know line and length is crucial on this track and Abbas is by far the most accurate.

You dont need to be genius, just have a few braincells to know this. :inti
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You get line, length, accuracy with Imran too.

And, he bowls faster than Abbas.

125kph thunderbolts of Abbas vs 135kph of Imran.
 
Hawkeye said:
Your argument is based on a false assumption that Abbas is a much better bowler.

No, he isn't.

SA tour was a reflection of how he'll be treated on decent batting surfaces.

I have nothing against Abbas - just that, both IK and Abbas are similar bowlers.
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Why would you go back to the guy that was exposed terribly on our last tour here?
 
majiz said:
no it's not a false assumption. thats your ballgame. a false assumption is to suggest that abbas isn't better than imran. in fact i'm flattering you by even calling it that, it's just plain lunacy. all the statistical and anecdotal evidence proves he's a better bowler. imran khan took a 5-for in a practice game . nothing more
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I respect your opinion.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Imran actually is a pretty decent selection, would have been a horrible decision to put an off form trundler against the likes of Warner, at least Imran showed some form in the first warm-up.
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Even though I have horrible memories of Imran getting slaughtered by Warner in the Sydney test 2017, but I agree with this selection; on form rather than reputation.

Imran himself is a good exponent of new ball.
 
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Imran Khan is predictable. He will never seam or swing away from the right hander or back into the leftie. This is because of how wide of the crease he comes from.
 
I hope Haris does well but I'm surprised to see him picked considering his awful form. I'm also surprised that Abbas is dropped.
 
also i seem to recall abbas not exactly going wicketless in his practice outing. the selection is beyond a joke and i hope imran gets a total smacking around the park
 
Ellipsism said:
Why would you go back to the guy that was exposed terribly on our last tour here?
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Why would you go to a guy who was terribly exposed on just his last tour? SA.

Let's not talk about "past tours".

Based on merit - both are line and length type of bowlers.

The differentiators are:

1) Pace
2) Current form (esp in Aus)

Now that should make things easier, who to select.

Besides, neither Abbas nor IK will run through the Aus lineup. Both aren't top quality.
 
Hawkeye said:
You get line, length, accuracy with Imran too.

And, he bowls faster than Abbas.

125kph thunderbolts of Abbas vs 135kph of Imran.
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Imran Khan is not as accurate as Abbas. What I mean by accurate is not just landing the ball in the same spot over and over but to land it on the best line and length. Abbas also has the skill to move the ball around and with the bounce at the Gabba would wizz past the outside edge all day long.
 
majiz said:
also i seem to recall abbas not exactly going wicketless in his practice outing. the selection is beyond a joke and i hope imran gets a total smacking around the park
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That makes things easier.

Is Abbas your relative or a friend? You like him to the extent that you want PAK to suffer.
 
Not even 5 overs have been completed and ultimate wrist slitting is happening on the thread already. :ifti
 
MachoKhan said:
How do u people support shan masood? Knowing that he is the biggest perchi
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He has a huge following and fan base on this forum.

Reason?

He speaks good English, gives great interviews, and goes to the gym regularly.

It doesn't matter if he's our worst opener in 2-3 decades, averaging 26 after 15 Tests, can't play swing, spin.
 
Wow, Pakistan have survived 3 overs vs Australia in Australia without losing a wicket. Tell me i`m dreaming rn, I just took my meds.
 
Titan24 said:
Not even 5 overs have been completed and ultimate wrist slitting is happening on the thread already. :ifti
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That's typical.

Hundreds of posters, each has their own personal favorite. When one's not selected and a group gets offended, the tantrum quickly starts.
 
Abdulm123 said:
Wow, Pakistan have survived 3 overs vs Australia in Australia without losing a wicket. Tell me i`m dreaming rn, I just took my meds.
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You're not dreaming.

The dark era is over. We're reviving our Test cricket, finally.
 
Hawkeye said:
He has a huge following and fan base on this forum.

Reason?

He speaks good English, gives great interviews, and goes to the gym regularly.

It doesn't matter if he's our worst opener in 2-3 decades, averaging 26 after 15 Tests, can't play swing, spin.
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But but but, Misbah's the best judge.
 
Hawkeye said:
You're not dreaming.

The dark era is over. We're reviving our Test cricket, finally.
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Damn bro hop off Misbah, If anything he will plunge us deeper in the dark ages. What is your never ending love for Misbah? its like you are part of his secret forces that always somewhat give him a role on the team.
 
Hawkeye said:
You're not dreaming.

The dark era is over. We're reviving our Test cricket, finally.
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Your vocabulary ends at "The Dark era is over". You sound like someone from Lord of the Rings or something,
 
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