[MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] I understand the circumstances under which you created this thread but you shouldn't have made it an India specific discussion. Knowingly or unknowlingly you poked the ego of some people. And never say never! With the right setup, Pakistan cricket can and will make brisk progress. I don't see any reason to lose hope.
Actually when it comes to Pakistan, looking at its cricket in isolation is a crime. So many issues have directly and indirectly affected it. State of the economy, politics, terrorism... It's a long list. Having a good system in place is very important. India is certainly not the ideal example when it comes to that. Look at China. How do you think they're getting all those gold medals in the Olympics? Their system is a bit like a jail and not someting we should follow but still it's a good example to understand the importance of it.
India is way ahead at the moment in cricket. At the senior level and junior level. And the gap is quite BIG. I have nothing much to say to people who think otherwise. You can only correct the ignorant; not the pretender. The CT victory was a great and important one for Pakistan cricket but instead of living in hangover of that victory for ever, you should use the motivation and confidence it gave to create a stronger team. I see some exciting young talent like Shadab here and there but I don't see an exciting team. That's the problem.
[MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] is no 'wrist slitter'. I've seen him defend Pak players (Babar Azam and Hafeez in particular) on many occasions. I've had disagreements with him but I can see the disappointment but also the love for his country in this post of his. But what I see in some other posts here is a hatred towards India; not the love for Pakistan. Some of you guys are under the impression that we Indains are happy to see Pakistan cricket not doing well. That's not the case at all. We want you to do good. More than cricket, we want your economy to prosper and we want yot to be politically stable. India would be the biggest beneficiary of Pakistan having a strong, stable government. So stop this hate speech
India are up 3-0 in South Africa, while Pakistan have recently lost 5-0 in New Zealand.
India is one of the best Test teams of all time at the moment, while Pakistan have recently lost 2-0 to Sri Lanka who got thrashed 3-0 by India.
In T20is, India are much better as while, they have a much better domestic league (IPL >PSL). They have the best six-hitter in the world and best fielder in Hardik Pandya. A man with 2 T20I hundreds in Rohit. The GOAT LOI batsman in Kohli. The best spinners in Chahal and Kuldeep and the best death bowlers in Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar.
The talent disparity is clear as Pakistan youngsters marked with potential, go on to be certified TTFs (Shehzad, Imad, etc.). While the India youngsters are much more talented, shown in the IPL with guys like Rishabh Pant scoring 90 off 50 balls. No Pakistani player could ever dream of that. And the recent U-19 WC is just a sign of things to come.
The biggest difference by in large is Kohli. He is far greater than any batsman Pakistan will ever produce.
The domestic structure is overall better in India, with better quality of cricket, management and coaching. Pakistan's tournaments are full of poor pitches, has-been players, nepotism, and a superfluous desire for "senior" players.
The CT Final was a fluke and it was obvious that this will show in the next year or so and it has already started to fall apart for Pakistan who were once head and shouldersahead of India, but now will never be on top again.
As I said, you are delusional. India not only won Test matches, but Test series in those countries in the decades you mention.
Now you are beyond delusional. For example, tiny Haryana with one-tenth the population of Pakistan won 5 golds in the Commonwealth Games 2014 compared to zero for Pakistan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Commonwealth_Games_medal_table
Results from other CWGs are similar.
[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION]
Come on Napa lets not bring in other sports to remind our beloved padosee of reality ... that would be unfair. Just in cricket there is more ownage to be inflicted. India Won the Worldcup fair and square (No Rain No luck involved) beating the then #1 team about 9 yrs before the supposedly great Khan could manage the same with lots of duas and rain lol.
Two yrs later we wiped the floor with EVERY team ( Padosees were done twice for good measure) that played us in the 1985 Benson and Hedges world Championships.
And speaking of 21st Century here is the overall H2H for all intl matches:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team
And then ofcourse there is the Epic #11-Sifar in Worldcup matches ... I have heard even the WWE does not have such a long streak stretching 25+ yrs .... so much for bravado.
[MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] I understand the circumstances under which you created this thread but you shouldn't have made it an India specific discussion. Knowingly or unknowlingly you poked the ego of some people
Actually when it comes to Pakistan, looking at its cricket in isolation is a crime. So many issues have directly and indirectly affected it. State of the economy, politics, terrorism... It's a long list. Having a good system in place is very important. India is certainly not the ideal example when it comes to that. Look at China. How do you think they're getting all those gold medals in the Olympics? Their system is a bit like a jail and not someting we should follow but still it's a good example to understand the importance of it.
India is way ahead at the moment in cricket. At the senior level and junior level. And the gap is quite BIG. I have nothing much to say to people who think otherwise. You can only correct the ignorant; not the pretender. The CT victory was a great and important one for Pakistan cricket but instead of living in hangover of that victory for ever, you should use the motivation and confidence it gave to create a stronger team. I see some exciting young talent like Shadab here and there but I don't see an exciting team. That's the problem.
[MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] is no 'wrist slitter'. I've seen him defend Pak players (Babar Azam and Hafeez in particular
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No matter how much u convince ....few fans here won't agree the fact. That is the main reason Pak will fall behind India in terms professionalism ..the way cricket is played now a days. Some random guy coming from streets and becoming Star cricketer will not going to happen in Modern cricket. Which requires systematic approach and infrastructure to produce new age cricket Stars
I'm not sure why people think young players would come in and become legends overnight. This team is very young in-terms of international experience, specially if you compare to India. Our recent record is awful thanks to one Misbah-ul-haq, who let Pakistan to defeat after defeat that made us slide down the rankings. And yes at that time you could say Pakistan was at an all-time low. Pakistan in 2017 had more breakthrough players as compared to India. Shadab, Fakhar and Hasan became household names in Pakistan in one year and gained recognition all over the world. Indians will never forget Fakhar Zaman for the beating he inflicted on them that day. Add to that the fact that our answer to Hardik Pandya is a much better bowler than the so-called "all-rounder" and a couple of players like Babar and Amir. The fielding has improved to the point where we basically out-fielded New Zealand in a couple of games in their den, something [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] will attest to.
Correction: Pakistan didn't just win the final. They tore India apart in one of the biggest matches of the last four years.
I thought good teams win tournaments?
LOL. Like who? All you have is potential tuk-tuks who still cant chase anything over 250 STILL in this era of roads.And talking about below 30, our U-19 team just demolished your boys by more than 200 runs margin and now we got folks bowling much faster too.
Agreed. There is happiness in winning the CT 2017, as there was happiness in winning the T20WC 2009. But this one was much sweeter since we beat the living daylights out of a team that just couldn't shut up before the final and just cannot shut up a few months after. India will never become the Australia of 2000s or the West Indies of the 70s, since they start thinking too much of themselves much before they have achieved much. Then they come crashing back to the ground like the 8-0 whitewashes in 2011-12 and this embarrassing hammering from an 'inferior' Pakistan team.Oh please! Indian supporters were jumping for joy when they won CT13! Reminding everyone that Dhoni was the 1st Captain to win all 3 major ICC tournaments and how India were #1 in the world and all that! Indian fans were boasting about how they beat the Motherland in their own backyard! That too in a 20 over game, not the full 50 overs!
So what if Pakistan celebrate the CT17 like is was the world cup? Technically it’s not far off, but the celebration isn't so much that it was a CT Final, it was the battering, humiliation, and utter destruction of the so called richest, most talented, and number 1 team in the final! Not just any team, arch rivals India! In the first ever head to head ODI ICC Final between the two nations!
8th rank vs 1st, David vs Goliath! Rocky Balboa vs. Apollo Creed; no scratch the last one, Creed still made it to the last round before he lost the match by a whisker!
If India had won the CT17 final Indian fans would still be going on about it today, but no they were humbled.
So all this *Well done* Pakistan, *you deserved it*, *well played*, is just a front because Indian fans are hurt deep down, and had the result gone the other way, Indian fans would still be posting highlights!
Oh and make no mistake, if India beat Pakistan in an ICC ODI Final in the future, you better believe that Indian supporters will mention the CT17 as comparison. Forget Pakistanis, Indian fans still have not forgotten the CT17!
Who needs money and fame ey?
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Oh please! Indian supporters were jumping for joy when they won CT13! Reminding everyone that Dhoni was the 1st Captain to win all 3 major ICC tournaments and how India were #1 in the world and all that! Indian fans were boasting about how they beat the Motherland in their own backyard! That too in a 20 over game, not the full 50 overs!
So what if Pakistan celebrate the CT17 like is was the world cup? Technically it’s not far off, but the celebration isn't so much that it was a CT Final, it was the battering, humiliation, and utter destruction of the so called richest, most talented, and number 1 team in the final! Not just any team, arch rivals India! In the first ever head to head ODI ICC Final between the two nations!
8th rank vs 1st, David vs Goliath! Rocky Balboa vs. Apollo Creed; no scratch the last one, Creed still made it to the last round before he lost the match by a whisker!
If India had won the CT17 final Indian fans would still be going on about it today, but no they were humbled.
So all this *Well done* Pakistan, *you deserved it*, *well played*, is just a front because Indian fans are hurt deep down, and had the result gone the other way, Indian fans would still be posting highlights!
Oh and make no mistake, if India beat Pakistan in an ICC ODI Final in the future, you better believe that Indian supporters will mention the CT17 as comparison. Forget Pakistanis, Indian fans still have not forgotten the CT17!
Who needs money and fame ey?
Need a Kleenex mate? Sounds like the CT17 final still hurts.
How were Indians celebrating after 2007 WT20 final or Mohali SF in 2011? That's right, jumping for joy. So stop pretending beating Pakistan doesn't mean anything to Indian fans, after all, if it didn't, Indian fans would not be parroting 11-0 stat in ICC tournaments. The *when it matters* line bent and broken because when it mattered India lost in an ICC ODI final and in the process proved money and status are not everything.
Heck even the way India celebrated a dead rubber win in the Aane-do series sums up what it means to India to beat Pakistan. A DEAD RUBBER. Why not? After years of drubbing, India had a chance and blew it royal. Your attempt at reverse psychology neither changes nor hides this fact.
Indians were brought back down to reality in CT17. Indian pride humiliated Indian arrogance torpedoed. All the bravado before the final destroyed and up in smoke. Fans silenced. Hindustan in shock.
Father's day will be memorable and etched in the memory of every subcontinent citizen, not because of Pakistan, but because of the nonsense spewing out of Indian players, Indian media, and Indian fans before the final.
Indians should henceforth think THRICE before they think can beat Pakistan, oh and be happy, and grateful, Hardick Pandya hit those sixes - he salvaged some respect from the bottom of the barrel.
Who in their right mind says Pakistan is a better outfit than India? I believe everyone has admitted to that fact. But the premise of the OP is wrong. If Pakistan was light-years behind India, we wouldn't have won the Champions Trophy. The Pakistani fans are just adamant that the gap won't increase due to the players available right now. Somehow, despite the rubbish domestic structure and management issues, we continue to defy the odds and produce international class cricketers. When the time has finally come to get excited about Pakistan cricket, the OP goes and creates this thread which spits in the faces of these young players who have achieved way more than what the soul-crushing era of Misbah did.
