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Pakistan launches airstrikes in Kabul amid Afghanistan Foreign Minister's Visit to India visit

Was Pakistan’s Kabul strike a reckless move or a necessary response?

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RexRex said:
They are all bad to me .. from a moral POV. Afghan Taliban treat their people terribly. But for some reason, they aren't as hostile to India. Why wouldn't the India govt cultivate an ally if the latter are receptive ? Sounds like common sense to me.

In 1999, India had terrible relations with Afghan Taliban hence why that Air India hijacking incident became real messy to deal with.
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Right, so now it's about real politik instead of morality.
 
Rana said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1976576447235195185
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absolute Henious press conference conducted by DG ISPR that lacked operational detail of supppsed strikes but full of political rants.

Intellectual Dishonesty at peak for blaming one person for all the issues in this country while he is in jail and cannot reply back. Its easy to build narrative when person you are attacking cannot give counter to your ill advised pilitical speech in a military press conference

How about Military Answer the question , How come Terrorists are able to imflitrate border? Does PTI control border crossings?

How about military answers about all the terrorists attack happening in province of Baluchistan? Is Imran khan Responsible for that too?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
There are no good parties here. The Taliban rightly don't trust the Pakistan establishment with it's reputation of selling to the highest bidder. Imran Khan as a leader with honour was the best chance of reconciliation. The Sharif/Bhutto leftovers are just puppets on a string, and depending on the merit of the General in charge, will dance accordingly.

But that doesn't excuse the Taliban forging alliances with idolators either. This is their ethno pride coming to the fore and clouding their judgement. They were engaged in fighting TTP themselves a couple of years ago, maybe they just wanted an easy life and thought better to fight Pakistan on enemy soil rather than have civil war at home.
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This is the sole reason for not reining in the TTP, especially after the Pakistani establishment allied with the US. Imran Khan can only keep that side of the border peaceful. Anything less that means air strikes and bomb blasts but perhaps it’s worth a shot.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
absolute Henious press conference conducted by DG ISPR that lacked operational detail of supppsed strikes but full of political rants.

Intellectual Dishonesty at peak for blaming one person for all the issues in this country while he is in jail and cannot reply back. Its easy to build narrative when person you are attacking cannot give counter to your ill advised pilitical speech in a military press conference

How about Military Answer the question , How come Terrorists are able to imflitrate border? Does PTI control border crossings?

How about military answers about all the terrorists attack happening in province of Baluchistan? Is Imran khan Responsible for that too?
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The military needs to answer first:

a) first they supported a different faction in the 90s, which failed. They then switched to the Taliban. Supported them for decades, during which time we were consistently told once the Taliban are back Afghanistan would be best buddies with us again
b) while infiltrators exist, the military has been pounding tribal regions with air strikes. I have myself seen pictures of broken/decapitated/torn apart babies and kids. Pakistani kids. By our own jets. We defend Palestinians to raise arms if their kids are killed like this, how are we then not surprised while tribals do the same and attack army convoys and we criticise it? Air strikes on your own country.....not even India does this in IOK.
c) After now declaring war, what is our plan in Afghanistan? Not even the USSR or the US could prop up puppets at the cost of trillion dollars, yet these bankrupt fools will? So what is the plan? Knocking out TTP leaders does diddly squat, new ones will pop up under the now hostile Afghan government. So what's the plan again?
c) Which army officer has been court martialled or sacked after the colossal policy failure regarding the Taliban? We backed such groups at the cost of our international reputation, at the cost of our social fabric (which to this day has not recovered), at the cost of extremism in our urban centres.....has anyone answered for this?

Maybe they can answer these questions first before anything. DGISPR: a secretary not even a grade 22 officer, attacking a democractially elected party. The absolute galls of these fools.
 
Pakpak said:
The military needs to answer first:

a) first they supported a different faction in the 90s, which failed. They then switched to the Taliban. Supported them for decades, during which time we were consistently told once the Taliban are back Afghanistan would be best buddies with us again
b) while infiltrators exist, the military has been pounding tribal regions with air strikes. I have myself seen pictures of broken/decapitated/torn apart babies and kids. Pakistani kids. By our own jets. We defend Palestinians to raise arms if their kids are killed like this, how are we then not surprised while tribals do the same and attack army convoys and we criticise it? Air strikes on your own country.....not even India does this in IOK.
c) After now declaring war, what is our plan in Afghanistan? Not even the USSR or the US could prop up puppets at the cost of trillion dollars, yet these bankrupt fools will? So what is the plan? Knocking out TTP leaders does diddly squat, new ones will pop up under the now hostile Afghan government. So what's the plan again?
c) Which army officer has been court martialled or sacked after the colossal policy failure regarding the Taliban? We backed such groups at the cost of our international reputation, at the cost of our social fabric (which to this day has not recovered), at the cost of extremism in our urban centres.....has anyone answered for this?

Maybe they can answer these questions first before anything. DGISPR: a secretary not even a grade 22 officer, attacking a democractially elected party. The absolute galls of these fools.
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Provincial Govt is responsible for Peace in Province against Violent Crimes Or General peace. Protection against organized idealogical armed movement falls under responsibility of National Defence . Blaming provincial govt is all but intellectual dishonesty aimed at achieving desired political goals nothing else

KPK unfortunately has become buffer zone between Punjab and Western borders. They are paying the price for it and getting blamed in return. Relative peace in Punjab has nothing to do with good Governance .
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
they are pretending to try and court Martial Faiz Hameed and calling it self accountability but without Trying Bajwa , This means Dogshit at best
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This is same person who enjoys a cup of tea in Afghanistan after Taliban takeover and Said " everything is okay ". :klopp :kp
 
Devadwal said:
This is same person who enjoys a cup of tea in Afghanistan after Taliban takeover and Said " everything is okay ". :klopp :kp
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yes but he cannot act all alone .His immediate boss was army chief Qamar Javed Bajwa. Cannot absolve him if his henchman was guilty
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
yes but he cannot act all alone .His immediate boss was army chief Qamar Javed Bajwa. Cannot absolve him if his henchman was guilty
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Everything is controlled by COAS in Pakistan. I hear they blamed recent attacks on PTI. I don't think now imran can came out of Jail unless Pakistan public do something.

Today ISPR PC was all about Army vs PTI instead Pakistan vs TTP.

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Everything is controlled by COAS in Pakistan. I hear they blamed recent attacks on PTI. I don't think now imran can came out of Jail unless Pakistan public do something.

Today ISPR PC was all about Army vs PTI instead Pakistan vs TTP.

:kp
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yes Because Imran Khan's appointed CM in KPK failed to rally PTI Protest last year in November. So Imran khan being party founder ordered his removal and nominated another candidate for post who openly talks against Military interference. This did nt sit well with powers be hence press conference to discredit the whole party despite it having 3/4 majority in provincal assembly
 
RexRex said:
Isn't India notorious for not taking sides on any conflict and minding their own business ? They haven't taken sides on the Ukraine-Russia war, Israel-Palestine war, China-Taiwan issue, the list is endless..
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There it is again, that all pervasive delusionist mindset. India is fully on board with Russia helping them sustain the war with Ukraine by money laundering for Russia via oil and taking a cut out of it. Before you say yeh but ....China. Difference is China and others are not exporting that Russian oil, which India is. Without this, Russia would not have been able to continue the war with Ukraine.

India chose Ukrainian blood over money.
 
so Trump wants Afghan Base back...Taliban as usual exploiting and taking money from anyone and everyone (including Indians, who want to exploit Afghans due to Pakistan)...Pakistan attacks Kabul, justifying the attack as the only choice left and citing the killings of Pakistanis...

Interesting...very interesting...

so what happens to the people murdering peaceful political protestors in Pakistan?

Oh yes...we make them interior minister and award them PCB chairman posts with the blessings of a de facto military dictator.

Lastly, the irony of Indians feeling rejuvenized about a religious extremist from Afghanistan meeting the Indian Officials is hypocrisy in motion.
 
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IronShield said:
There it is again, that all pervasive delusionist mindset. India is fully on board with Russia helping them sustain the war with Ukraine by money laundering for Russia via oil and taking a cut out of it.

India chose Ukrainian blood over money.
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They buy Russian oil to get cheap oil .. pretty simple. Not to support their Ukraine war.

India will go to which ever country gives them the best deal. It is worth mentioning the only reason the Indians shifted from their longstanding Gulf suppliers to Russia is because the Europeans priced them out of the Middle Eastern oil market. So why wouldn't they go and get discounted Russian oil ? It was the sensible thing to do, at that time.
 
RexRex said:
They buy Russian oil to get cheap oil .. pretty simple. Not to support their Ukraine war.

They'll go to which ever country gives them the best deal. It is worth mentioning the only reason the Indians shifted from their longstanding Gulf suppliers to Russia is because the Europeans priced them out of the Middle Eastern oil market. So why wouldn't they go and get discounted Russian oil ? It was the sensible thing to do, at that time.
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Again... lies whether intentional or just been brainwashed.

You must realise that everyone can see through this BS. Trump will soon be turning his attention towards India again once the Gaza deal has settled down.

No one priced you out, you take Russian oil, refine it and sell it on behalf of Russia. Russia's gives you a cut and takes the rest and uses that to prop up its economy and the war against Ukraine. Without this, Russia would have caved in long ago. It is as simple as that. here is the crux of it, India is the only one that EXPORTS Russian oil.... I will leave you to ponder over that.
 
RexRex said:
They buy Russian oil to get cheap oil .. pretty simple. Not to support their Ukraine war.

India will go to which ever country gives them the best deal. It is worth mentioning the only reason the Indians shifted from their longstanding Gulf suppliers to Russia is because the Europeans priced them out of the Middle Eastern oil market. So why wouldn't they go and get discounted Russian oil ? It was the sensible thing to do, at that time.
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IronShield said:
Again... lies whether intentional or just been brainwashed.

You must realise that everyone can see through this BS. Trump will soon be turning his attention towards India again once the Gaza deal has settled down.

No one priced you out, you take Russian oil, refine it and sell it on behalf of Russia. Russia's gives you a cut and takes the rest and uses that to prop up its economy and the war against Ukraine. Without this, Russia would have caved in long ago. It is as simple as that. here is the crux of it, India is the only one that EXPORTS Russian oil.... I will leave you to ponder over that.
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FYI:

This article id from 2024 but the ground reality remains the same. The cheap Russian oil is only benefiting the Indian oligarchs not the Indian public. The latter keeps on paying a high price for daily consumption.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-russian-oil-no-relief-buyers-home-tmc-mp-9653307/
 
tiger_khan said:
FYI:

This article id from 2024 but the ground reality remains the same. The cheap Russian oil is only benefiting the Indian oligarchs not the Indian public. The latter keeps on paying a high price for daily consumption.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-russian-oil-no-relief-buyers-home-tmc-mp-9653307/
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If you go through my posts from a few months ago... I make this very point about Modi's billionaire overlords. Unfortunately they are the defacto rulers of India.
 
tiger_khan said:
FYI:

This article id from 2024 but the ground reality remains the same. The cheap Russian oil is only benefiting the Indian oligarchs not the Indian public. The latter keeps on paying a high price for daily consumption.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-russian-oil-no-relief-buyers-home-tmc-mp-9653307/
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That's true, Indian oligarchs are the biggest beneficiaries or so it seems. I had already discussed this before in other threads. In return, they help fund Modi's elections.
 
RexRex said:
So what ? It does so because it makes money from exporting. It makes economic sense.
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Then evidently, India is not neutral. Why did you say that it was? You are very much on Russian side by ensuring they are able to fight on and you make money on the side. Russia dangled money infront of you and you said yes please... whilst Ukraine lost territory and hundreds of thousands of its people...and continues to do so.
 
IronShield said:
Then evidently, India is not neutral. Why did you say that it was?
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Because it is purely an economic decision. India is not extending a favour here to Russia. It is doing this because they are MAKING money from this.

In the first year, many European countries and the US wanted India to explicitly condemn Russia for its Ukraine invasion, which is still refuses to do.
 
tiger_khan said:
who are the small beneficiaries?
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You should read this thread below. There are many arguments about inflation and oil prices being kept stable for the average consumer. I can't vouch for the authenticity of the claims

Bhaijaan

Post in thread 'Trump raises India tariffs to 50% over Russian oil purchases [Update@post#255]'

RexRex said:
Where is the benefit for aam aadmi in terms of prices ? Read @Red-Indian 's post on high prices.
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If you look at the last two years, the real benefit for the aam aadmi has been price stability.
Global crude prices have swung wildly since the Russia–Ukraine war, with many countries seeing fuel bills jump 40–50%. India, despite being a net importer has kept petrol and diesel rates relatively steady, shielding households from the inflation shock that hit Europe and much of the world.

Could prices be lower? Perhaps. But governance isn’t only about quick relief at the petrol...
 
RexRex said:
Because it is purely an economic decision. India is not extending a favour here to Russia. It is doing this because they are MAKING money from this.

In the first year, many European countries and the US wanted India to explicitly condemn Russia for its Ukraine invasion, which is still refuses to do.
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This is now getting to the point that truth is out there... you can see it, right infront of you but the brainwashing is so deep, you cannot just accept it. You are going to try and go round and round which is funny and bizarre at the same time.

But I shall indulge you...

The reason is because you were going to be in bed with Russia. How can you condemn someone and yet be in bed with them at the same time.
 
Pakpak said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rajasthan and Gujarat share a border with Pakistan and the Taliban is knocking at our door. Take a look at their election manifesto.</p>— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) <a href="
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Has Taliban manifesto changed since 2009?

By the way @RexRex @Devadwal ... were there any female reporters present in the Afghan foreign minister's press conference in India?
 
Security forces foil terrorist attack on D.I. Khan police training centre, kill five terrorists

Security forces on Friday foiled a major terrorist attack on the Police Training Centre in Dera Ismail Khan, killing five terrorists, including a suicide bomber, during an intense exchange of fire.

According to police sources, the terrorists attempted to storm the main gate of the training centre using an explosives-laden vehicle but failed to breach the security cordon.

Thwarted in their initial attempt, the attackers took refuge in a nearby National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA) office, where they continued firing at security personnel.

Police and security forces swiftly surrounded the area and launched a coordinated counter-operation.

In the ensuing gun battle, all five Fitna al-Khawarij terrorists were killed, including one suicide attacker.

The operation was jointly conducted by SSG commandos, Al-Burq Force, Elite Force, and local police units.

Station Commander Brigadier Muhammad Abu Bakar, Regional Police Officer Syed Ashfaq Anwar, and District Police Officer Sajjad Ahmad Sahibzada personally supervised the operation on site.

Six police personnel sustained injuries during the exchange of fire and were shifted to the hospital for medical treatment.

A police spokesperson said that a clearance operation was underway inside the training centre, while a search operation in and around the NADRA office continued to ensure complete security.

Source: Aaj News
 
IronShield said:
The reason is because you were going to be in bed with Russia. How can you condemn someone and yet be in bed with them at the same time.
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It is not just Russia they don't condemn; they don't condemn any aggressor in a conflict .. well for the most part. It's somewhat of a longstanding indian tradition this whole non-alignment thing.
 
RexRex said:
You should read this thread below. There are many arguments about inflation and oil prices being kept stable for the average consumer. I can't vouch for the authenticity of the claims

Bhaijaan

Post in thread 'Trump raises India tariffs to 50% over Russian oil purchases [Update@post#255]'

RexRex said:
Where is the benefit for aam aadmi in terms of prices ? Read @Red-Indian 's post on high prices.
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If you look at the last two years, the real benefit for the aam aadmi has been price stability.
Global crude prices have swung wildly since the Russia–Ukraine war, with many countries seeing fuel bills jump 40–50%. India, despite being a net importer has kept petrol and diesel rates relatively steady, shielding households from the inflation shock that hit Europe and much of the world.

Could prices be lower? Perhaps. But governance isn’t only about quick relief at the petrol...
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I scanned through the posts. Most of the assertions/stances are based on the information absorbed from the platforms which are also owned by the same oligarchs who are benefiting from the cheap oil trade. Of course they will try to convince the public from their platforms that the latter is also benefiting.

The oil prices for Indian public should have not remained the same. They should have gone down as soon as the cheaper oil could be acquired. What is distinctively possible, is that the government might have kept on increasing the taxes on oil to keep prices stable. So apart from the Oligarchs, the government benefited from cheaper prices. We all know how the increase in money collected as taxes in South Asian countries, only improves the services received by public on paper.

One way or the other, the consumers remained indifferent. Their spendable income kept on depleting with the same rate due to oil prices.
 
tiger_khan said:
The oil prices for Indian public should have not remained the same. They should have gone down as soon as the cheaper oil could be acquired. What is distinctively possible, is that the government might have kept on increasing the taxes on oil to keep prices stable. So apart from the Oligarchs, the government benefited from cheaper prices. We all know how the increase in money collected as taxes in South Asian countries, only improves the services received by public on paper.
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I don't disagree. (y)
 
RexRex said:
No idea what this post means or is hinting at.
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You know when there is a press conference, there is a crowd of people associated with various media outlets known usually as journalists. This crowd of journalists can be compromised of male and females as well as people that identify as "other". My question was, that in the press conference by the afghan foreign minister in India, were there any females present amongst that crowd of journalists?

Does that make it clear?
 
why i have mixed feelings about this

pros: pakistan has to show afghanistan that it is willing to escalate the conflict, because its obvious the anti pakistan elements within afghanistan have grown stronger recently, and from a geo strategic pov it seems like a potential pincer for an eventual reescaation of operation sindoor by india.

cons: fighting in afghanistan is impossible, and controlling the country even moreso. its so battle hardened that blowing up a few houses or a little infrastructure doesnt disrupt whatever economy the country has. unless your willing to move troops and take control of the key logistical and transport cross points which the ttp use to move about before inflitrating pakistan.

overall: this is a premeditative move to let afghanistan know that pakistan will not ignore the regime cosying up with india, but this war or battle has no objectives or long term impact of afghanistan.
 
ElRaja said:
why i have mixed feelings about this

pros: pakistan has to show afghanistan that it is willing to escalate the conflict, because its obvious the anti pakistan elements within afghanistan have grown stronger recently, and from a geo strategic pov it seems like a potential pincer for an eventual reescaation of operation sindoor by india.

cons: fighting in afghanistan is impossible, and controlling the country even moreso. its so battle hardened that blowing up a few houses or a little infrastructure doesnt disrupt whatever economy the country has. unless your willing to move troops and take control of the key logistical and transport cross points which the ttp use to move about before inflitrating pakistan.

overall: this is a premeditative move to let afghanistan know that pakistan will not ignore the regime cosying up with india, but this war or battle has no objectives or long term impact of afghanistan.
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Everyone knows Afghanistan is extremely difficult to conquer with troops on ground.

Air Strikes is the way forward.
 
Rana said:
Everyone knows Afghanistan is extremely difficult to conquer with troops on ground.

Air Strikes is the way forward.
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but air strikes alone have minimal effect, unless they are paving the way for a groudn offensive. assasinating terrorist commanders does very little to destabilise those organisations espeically when they have extrinsic funding and support.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
There are no good parties here. The Taliban rightly don't trust the Pakistan establishment with it's reputation of selling to the highest bidder. Imran Khan as a leader with honour was the best chance of reconciliation. The Sharif/Bhutto leftovers are just puppets on a string, and depending on the merit of the General in charge, will dance accordingly.

But that doesn't excuse the Taliban forging alliances with idolators either. This is their ethno pride coming to the fore and clouding their judgement. They were engaged in fighting TTP themselves a couple of years ago, maybe they just wanted an easy life and thought better to fight Pakistan on enemy soil rather than have civil war at home.
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hoshiarpurexpress said:
Heard of total internet shutdown in Islamabad and Rawalpindi. Can anyone confirm if it's true?
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No such thing.

Onpy phone network down due to tlp protest
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Afghanistan gains nothing by acting as a state sponsored proxy for India, only instability, chaos, and loss. In contrast, real progress lies in cooperation and partnership with China, which offers economic stability and regional development.

It looks as if Taliban are desperate for international recognition and willing to accept it from anyone. But Pakistan has clearly warned them, aligning with India’s state backed terrorism will only isolate them further and push Afghanistan back into turmoil.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Provincial Govt is responsible for Peace in Province against Violent Crimes Or General peace. Protection against organized idealogical armed movement falls under responsibility of National Defence . Blaming provincial govt is all but intellectual dishonesty aimed at achieving desired political goals nothing else

KPK unfortunately has become buffer zone between Punjab and Western borders. They are paying the price for it and getting blamed in return. Relative peace in Punjab has nothing to do with good Governance .
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Provincial Govt is reponsible.

Peace in the province has everything to do with good governance. 20 Years back, the TTP issue was spread into Punjab. If i am not mistaken, the Swat administration failed and welcomed the Taliban to take over control and had the constitution replace with the Taliban law.

How KPK messed up here is through the federal govt of Imran Khan. When APS attack took place, the KPK govt was too busy protesting in Islamabad because they wanted to come into power in Federal. The fact that those terrorist and their movement of weapons in KPK all makes it a provincial issue, in how all that was allowed to take place.

Than Imran not only forgave Ehsanullah, he even negotiated a peace deal with TTP and Afghan Taliban. TTP has been eradicated, alot of their members were placed in jails. Afghan Taliban had been eradicated by the US. But than the Pakistani govt along with the ISI helped the Afghan taliban come to power, who than after coming into power released TTP soldiers from jails and than once again provided safe heave in the border areas from where these guys launch attacks into Pakistan.

The provinvial govt of KPK is reponsible because when they took power in federal, they allowed every kind stupid deal to take place which gave strength to TTP. The TTP group reformed and have started to launch attacks.

Saying that KPK is a buffer between Punjab and that Punjab has nothing to do with good governance is a poor comment.

Punjab has had it own set of issues. The police force did a wonderful job eradicating Taliban elements, Al qaeda madrassahs and reducing the shia suni conflict to the minimal. Punjab have had its share of radicals exist due to Zia ul haq. Infact, the army created another mess called TLP which is a problem in Punjab.

Terrorism was one of the biggest issues in Punjab, but the Sharif govt took proper control of it. One of the biggest policy the Sharifs made was the National Action Plan.

National Action Plan came into existence after KPK failed and allowed APS attack to take place. Under NAP,

NAP stated:
  • Execution of convicted terrorists
  • Establishment of military courts
  • Action against banned outfits
  • Regulation of madrassas
  • Curbing hate speech and extremist material
  • Reform of FATA
  • Empowering NACTA
  • Zero tolerance for militancy in Punjab
  • Disarming all militias
  • Combating terrorism financing

This came into power due to the 21st amendment in our constitution. This NAP was the reason that bought peace in to Punjab. This is an example of good governance, so nice try by making comments that good governance has done nothing in Punjab.

Guess why NAP died out? Because when PTI came into power they decided agianst relaunching NAP. NACTA became dormant, and than PTI did peace talks with TTP.
 
Major said:
How KPK messed up here is through the federal govt of Imran Khan. When APS attack took place, the KPK govt was too busy protesting in Islamabad because they wanted to come into power in Federal. The fact that those terrorist and their movement of weapons in KPK all makes it a provincial issue, in how all that was allowed to take place.
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Again intellectual dishonesty at peak display here. and you along with others who go along these line think rest of the country and its people do not know how things work and how should they function. Which federal Govt of Imran khan existed in 2014? Movement of terrorists and weapons do not magically make it provincial issue. Its national security issue , and its job of security apparatus of this country to prevent it. Why do not we talk about how TTP was formed and reasons for it? Blaming others for own failures is favortie hobby of one Institution in this country. They want to run this country as they want but not ready to take responsibility of things that happen as consequence . That's not how things work Mr Major or whatever your name is

Major said:
Than Imran not only forgave Ehsanullah, he even negotiated a peace deal with TTP and Afghan Taliban. TTP has been eradicated, alot of their members were placed in jails.
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how Imran khan can forgive Ehsanullah ? this is as ridiculous argument as it can become . Lot of members were in Jail. Remind me the executive order IK passed as office bearer to forgive them? Am I supposed to believe what you spew here?

Major said:
The provinvial govt of KPK is reponsible because when they took power in federal, they allowed every kind stupid deal to take place which gave strength to TTP. The TTP group reformed and have started to launch attacks.
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why the same that did presser today prevent this ? Do we call Roti a chochi? easy to deflect blame when we all know no deal can happen without same powers that are doing pressers

Major said:
Terrorism was one of the biggest issues in Punjab, but the Sharif govt took proper control of it. One of the biggest policy the Sharifs made was the National Action Plan.
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Sharif did Jack ****. we all know who controls law enforcement in this country . NAP is also brain child of establishment. Sharif could nt make a line of policy if his life was dependent on it. So people who made NAP , why did they move away from it ? There is no evidence that Imran Khan acted alone without others being not on board. neither he could ever act alone. this is where intellectual dishonesty peaks

Every God damn bad thing is because of PTI LMAO


We all know about good governance in Punjab. I live in Punjab. Nowadays if you have animosity with someone , all you need to do is find a contact in CCD and get rid of that person in name of so called justice. The absolute mockery that Iis being made out of Law of this land is Mind blowing
 
Major said:
Than Imran not only forgave Ehsanullah, he even negotiated a peace deal with TTP and Afghan Taliban.
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Ehsnullah Escaped Military Custody. Thats right , the Important word here is " Military Custody "...but hey I can say IK made him escape hahahahahah


www.aljazeera.com

Pakistan confirms escape of ex-Pakistan Taliban spokesman

Interior Minister Ijaz Shah's comments on Monday were the first official acknowledgement of Ehsanullah Ehsan's escape.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
 
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Wasim Ghulam said:
Ehsnullah Escaped Military Custody. Thats right , the Important word here is " Military Custody "...but hey I can say IK made him escape hahahahahah


www.aljazeera.com

Pakistan confirms escape of ex-Pakistan Taliban spokesman

Interior Minister Ijaz Shah's comments on Monday were the first official acknowledgement of Ehsanullah Ehsan's escape.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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At the end of the day millitary is under the govt.

You are spreading lies here just trying to portray how imran should not be made responsible for anything.

Imran allowed the killer of aps kids walk free
 
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Major said:
At the end of the day millitary is under the govt.

You are spreading lies here just trying to portray how imran should not be made responsible for anything.

Imran allowed the killer of aps kids walk free
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So are you claiming that Imran Khan ordered the military to release Ehsanullah Ehsan? Do you mind telling me as to why the military has not then charged him with this because wouldn't you know that APS killer walk away is a bigger issue then Toshakhana?​
 
Major said:
At the end of the day millitary is under the govt.

You are spreading lies here just trying to portray how imran should not be made responsible for anything.

Imran allowed the killer of aps kids walk free
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but you said Imran Khan Pardoned him.

explain your lie first

how exactly Imran khan is responsible if convict escapes custody?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Again intellectual dishonesty at peak display here. and you along with others who go along these line think rest of the country and its people do not know how things work and how should they function. Which federal Govt of Imran khan existed in 2014? Movement of terrorists and weapons do not magically make it provincial issue. Its national security issue , and its job of security apparatus of this country to prevent it. Why do not we talk about how TTP was formed and reasons for it? Blaming others for own failures is favortie hobby of one Institution in this country. They want to run this country as they want but not ready to take responsibility of things that happen as consequence . That's not how things work Mr Major or whatever your name is



how Imran khan can forgive Ehsanullah ? this is as ridiculous argument as it can become . Lot of members were in Jail. Remind me the executive order IK passed as office bearer to forgive them? Am I supposed to believe what you spew here?



why the same that did presser today prevent this ? Do we call Roti a chochi? easy to deflect blame when we all know no deal can happen without same powers that are doing pressers




Sharif did Jack ****. we all know who controls law enforcement in this country . NAP is also brain child of establishment. Sharif could nt make a line of policy if his life was dependent on it. So people who made NAP , why did they move away from it ? There is no evidence that Imran Khan acted alone without others being not on board. neither he could ever act alone. this is where intellectual dishonesty peaks

Every God damn bad thing is because of PTI LMAO


We all know about good governance in Punjab. I live in Punjab. Nowadays if you have animosity with someone , all you need to do is find a contact in CCD and get rid of that person in name of so called justice. The absolute mockery that Iis being made out of Law of this land is Mind blowing
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Imran had KPK govt at the time. Nice try portraying a picture and abolishing any responsibility.

When Imran was sitting in a container and finding himself a wife, kids were being killed in APS. The pronvincial govt was his. Movement of weapons does make the provincial govt responsible as under the 18th amendment law and order is the responsibility of KPK. Even today weapons are sold in KPK Dara Adam Khel.

Imran Allowed Ehsanullah to walk free.

Under Sharif's govt NAP was bought, and becuase of NAP Punjab was made safe again. I like how in your previous post that peace in Punjab has nothing to do with governance and now all of sudden you remembered NAP when i reminded you how it made Punjab safe.

The topic here is terrorism, you can divert it all you want.
DG ISPR is correct that the KPK govt has failed to protect its citizens, while Sindh and Punjab Govt have eradicated terrorism from their provinces.

Meanwhile, instead of eradicating terrorism Imran Khan makes the killer of APS children walk free, and even starts negotiating with Taliban and calls Osama Bin Ladin a Martyr.

I thank Asim Munir every day for locking up that buffoon.
 
LordJames said:
So are you claiming that Imran Khan ordered the military to release Ehsanullah Ehsan? Do you mind telling me as to why the military has not then charged him with this because wouldn't you know that APS killer walk away is a bigger issue then Toshakhana?​
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DOnt worry, Imran and his ISI DG Faiz are in jail. Hopefully they will get the death penalty one day
 
Major said:
DOnt worry, Imran and his ISI DG Faiz are in jail. Hopefully they will get the death penalty one day
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I am not worried. I am asking you two direct questions.

  1. Did Imran Khan ORDER the military to release Ehsanullah Ehsan?
  2. If so then how come he has not been charged with it? Surely its bigger than ToshaKhana
Major said:
Under his govt, he was allowed to walk free.

You not only proved to us that Imran failed at provincial level but also at federal level aswell
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Imran Khan is in Jail (we know) but how come he is not in Jail for releasing the killer or APS?
 
Major said:
Under his govt, he was allowed to walk free.

You not only proved to us that Imran failed at provincial level but also at federal level aswell
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he was allowed to walk free how exactly? walk me through details

you still have not answered how he pardoned him? now thats where you lied. there is no executive order by Imran khan to Pardon anyone. so any tom dick in Miltary custody can let him escape and you will blame IK exclusively for that?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
he was allowed to walk free how exactly? walk me through details

you still have not answered how he pardoned him? now thats where you lied. there is no executive order by Imran khan to Pardon anyone. so any tom dick in Miltary custody can let him escape and you will blame IK exclusively for that?
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Millitary is under the Govt.

Imran made a secret deal with the TTP where he allowed him to run away after murdering children.

You think the govt would be dumb enough to give out orders? Even though his fans are dumb enough to not even blame him for releasing hte murderer of children.

But than again, a guy who calls Osama Bin ladin a martyr..............
 
Major said:
Millitary is under the Govt.

Imran made a secret deal with the TTP where he allowed him to run away after murdering children.

You think the govt would be dumb enough to give out orders? Even though his fans are dumb enough to not even blame him for releasing hte murderer of children.

But than again, a guy who calls Osama Bin ladin a martyr..............
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IK is a disgrace.

Hope and pray he is hanged soon.
 
Major said:
cture and abolishing any responsibility.

When Imran was sitting in a container and finding himself a wife, kids were being killed in APS.
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APS attack is gross failure of Security establishment. At that time military Spokesperson said Attackers came from Afghanistan. Provincial govt is not responsible to protect borders

lies and more lies

Major said:
DG ISPR is correct that the KPK govt has failed to protect its citizens, while Sindh and Punjab Govt have eradicated terrorism from their provinces.
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DG ISPR is out of his place and Depth to question narrative of political Party. Thats for people of Pakistan to decide. If people of KPK feel PTI is facilitator of terrorism they will vote them out. Neither you or your fav institute has right to question collective judgment given by people of province
 
Major said:
Millitary is under the Govt.

Imran made a secret deal with the TTP where he allowed him to run away after murdering children.

You think the govt would be dumb enough to give out orders? Even though his fans are dumb enough to not even blame him for releasing hte murderer of children.

But than again, a guy who calls Osama Bin ladin a martyr..............
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so you have no proof. just your BS theories like secret deal? yeah i figured
 
Major said:
Millitary is under the Govt.

Imran made a secret deal with the TTP where he allowed him to run away after murdering children.

You think the govt would be dumb enough to give out orders? Even though his fans are dumb enough to not even blame him for releasing hte murderer of children.

But than again, a guy who calls Osama Bin ladin a martyr..............
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hks222 said:
IK is a disgrace.

Hope and pray he is hanged soon.
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And what should be done to General Hidayat ur Rehman who was Corps Commander (Peshawar) under whose watch APS happened?

He was directly responsible for security? Do you want to discuss APS incident?

All of this was in 2014.
Wasim Ghulam said:
APS attack is gross failure of Security establishment. At that time military Spokesperson said Attackers came from Afghanistan. Provincial govt is not responsible to protect borders

lies and more lies



DG ISPR is out of his place and Depth to question narrative of political Party. Thats for people of Pakistan to decide. If people of KPK feel PTI is facilitator of terrorism they will vote them out. Neither you or your fav institute has right to question collective judgment given by people of province
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  1. General Hidayat ur Rehman appointed Peshawar Corps Commander at the beginning of December 2014
  2. APS happened on December 16, 2024
  3. General Hidayat ur Rehman served his full term until December 2016
  4. Then served as Colonel Command of Azad Kashmir Regiment next to Indian border on the LoC
But Imran Khan should be hung...okey dokey...
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
according to intellectually dishonest @Major IK made a secret deal which no one was aware of. He hired some secret operatives to facilitate escape all the whild people like DG ISPR and hia bosses were sleeping. So dnr blame them duh
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Yep, the logic...

@Major wants Imran Khan to rot in Jail

But General Hidayat ur Rehman who was Corps Commander (Peshawar) under whose watch APS happened and who was directly responsible for security not only served his full term (after the security failure) but then got promoted to serve next to LoC (in Kashmir) on a sensitive posting

👏

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LordJames said:
Yep, the logic...

@Major wants Imran Khan to rot in Jail

But General Hidayat ur Rehman who was Corps Commander (Peshawar) under whose watch APS happened and who was directly responsible for security not only served his full term (after the security failure) but then got promoted to serve next to LoC (in Kashmir) on a sensitive posting

👏

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i wonder what DG ISPR thinks about this attack

www.bbc.com

Two Chinese nationals killed in blast near Pakistan's Karachi airport

A third body, not yet officially identified, is thought to be that of the attacker, the BBC understands.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

i dnt remember his presser in response blaming Baluchistan or Sindh Govt. This attack put Chinese off the rails
 
LordJames said:
Yep, the logic...

@Major wants Imran Khan to rot in Jail

But General Hidayat ur Rehman who was Corps Commander (Peshawar) under whose watch APS happened and who was directly responsible for security not only served his full term (after the security failure) but then got promoted to serve next to LoC (in Kashmir) on a sensitive posting

👏

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since Intellectually dishonest @Major is so fond of talking about 2014

who allowed this?

www.bbc.com

Taliban claim deadly attack on Karachi airport

The Pakistan Taliban say they carried out an attack at Karachi airport, in which at least 28 people died, including 10 militants.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
Major said:
Pp is a really weird place. 2 years ago these indian posters hated the taliban and what not.

Today they are supporting them.
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We will support Afghanistan governments and it's People's. For us doesn't matter who ruled them.

Few months ago serian president Bashar al-Assad was most wanted terrorist by UN and but in last months he Shake hand with Trump and Have a speech in UN general assembly.

This is how world politics works, but Pakistanis do not know how to run a government, so it is too much to expect wisdom from them.

:klopp :kp
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
i wonder what DG ISPR thinks about this attack

www.bbc.com

Two Chinese nationals killed in blast near Pakistan's Karachi airport

A third body, not yet officially identified, is thought to be that of the attacker, the BBC understands.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

i dnt remember his presser in response blaming Baluchistan or Sindh Govt. This attack put Chinese off the rails​
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Wasim Ghulam said:
since Intellectually dishonest @Major is so fond of talking about 2014

who allowed this?

www.bbc.com

Taliban claim deadly attack on Karachi airport

The Pakistan Taliban say they carried out an attack at Karachi airport, in which at least 28 people died, including 10 militants.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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What happened at APS (2014)?

APS attack in Pakistan was the most heinous Terrorist attack in the history of Pakistan, what happened?​
  1. Outer Circle: Peshawar city is one of the most sensitive parts of Pakistan, afflicted by Terrorism then and now​
  2. Middle Circle: Peshawar Cantonment is even more sensitive, then and now​
  3. Inner Circle: Peshawar APS (boys and girls) are on either side of Peshawar Cantonment with its own security then and now​
7 civilians wore Pakistan military uniforms had weapons, crossed through 3 security parameters, scaled a wall, passed through APS security parameter (4th), see map...

All 4 parameters came under General Hidayat ur Rehman who was Corps Commander (Peshawar) but no Accountability, no report, no inquiry and he served his full time and then got promoted.

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India engaging with the Taliban isn’t a moral shift, it’s a strategic one.

For decades, our foreign policy swung between idealism and interference from sending troops to Sri Lanka against Tamils to preaching values while others like the US installed Al Qaeda-linked leaders in Syria.

Now? We’re finally playing the real politics game, engaging even with regimes we once condemned.

Call it hypocrisy or maturity but it’s smart diplomacy, not sentimental diplomacy.

:kp
 
Geopolitics makes strange bedfellows. Two years ago, many PPers were celebrating the Taliban regime's comeback.

Clearly, morality had nothing to do with it.
 
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