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Steve WaughName one aussie player who's selfish. Name one England player who's selfish name one sa player who's selfish.
All I think of is Sachin who at the back end of his career stubbornly played for 100th 100 but that was at the back end
he is another who couldnt score runs these days... scores a hundred per series and thats it followed by a set of low scores..Saud Shakeel
This is such a dubious post because Shane Warne was angry at being dropped for the 99 test against wi and every player including waugh testified to this statement with Ian Chappel simply gooning Warne into oblivion.Steve Waugh
“Ian Chappelli named his 20 greatest Ashes cricketers, and left Steve Waugh (and Boycott) out, claiming that Steve Waugh is "selfish".
Shane Warne said …”For the record AGAIN & l've said this 1000 times - I do not hate S Waugh at all. FYI - I picked him in my all time best Australian team recently. However, Steve was easily the most selfish cricketer that I ever played with”
All great players are selfish — the beauty of cricket is that it is an individual sport played within the context of a team sport.
I think Atleast 400, we gifted most of wickets so farWhat is the par score..?
Haris can't bearly bat 10 overs.^^ you saw the names you hypocrite
But you clearly said Haseebullah farigh hai, and now you are proposing his name^^ you saw the names you hypocrite
and Ian Chappell’s comment …. ?This is such a dubious post because Shane Warne was angry at being dropped for the 99 test against wi and every player including waugh testified to this statement with Ian Chappel simply gooning Warne into oblivion.
Waugh made the correct decison on dropping Warne at he time who was injured and filled with ego of wanting to play
And secondly he's referring to Waugh as a leader, and questioning his leadership skills on choosing certain players over others.
@gazza619 is talking about batting skills only aka what babar and rizwan do and what misbah always did.
Big difference. Please understand the context of a situation before mentioning the Shane Warne book which I have read and is nothing more then Warne talking non stop about his unfair 99 drop
I gave you the names now answer. To make it more specific, which GREAT BATSMEN had an element to selfishness that doesn't include the backend of their careerBut you clearly said Haseebullah farigh hai, and now you are proposing his name
Make up your mind Baba Saigol
I would say anything less than 500, and it is game over for PakistanI think Atleast 400, we gifted most of wickets so far
Just gooning as I saidand Ian Chappell’s comment …. ?
Steve WaughI gave you the names now answer. To make it more specific, which GREAT BATSMEN had an element to selfishness that doesn't include the backend of their career
Haris is way over rated by some on Pak Passion and even by PCB.Haris can't bearly bat 10 overs.
Heesebullah has a better chance in tests.
Take Ian Chappell's or really any Aussies opinions on other Aussies with a big bucket of salt. They are not always objectiveand Ian Chappell’s comment …. ?
Oh so steve waugh was a selfish batsmen? Where did you get that from considering both chappel and Warne only talk about his captaincy and his dropping and favouring players based of his liking?Steve Waugh
We thought the same in the first Test. Problem with Pakistan is that game can be over at any timeI would say anything less than 500, and it is game over for Pakistan
If you dont know that Steve Waugh was selfish, then you know nothing about cricketOh so steve waugh was a selfish batsmen? Where did you get that from considering both chappel and Warne only talk about his captaincy and his dropping and favouring players based of his liking?
Let's be honest, we both know you didn't watch their eras and started watching since the misbah era.If you dont know that Steve Waugh was selfish, then you know nothing about cricket
I dont have time to write essays.
I am much older than you think I am.Let's be honest, we both know you didn't watch their eras and started watching since the misbah era.
Naw, I'm 100% sure you are not, in the same way I'm 100% sure @Major Also lied about 2006, he's clearly viewed it from 2010 onwardsI am much older than you think I am.
Actually you are incorrect — Warne’s “criticism”was also related to Waugh as a batsmanOh so steve waugh was a selfish batsmen? Where did you get that from considering both chappel and Warne only talk about his captaincy and his dropping and favouring players based of his liking?
Minimum 400. The turn on offer is way too slow right now. It might be difficult from 3rd day onwards but tomorrow should be a good day to batWhat is the par score..?
That's a leadership critique. It's not the same as what @gazza619 was claiming aka to duck and avoid playing high risk strokes aka the Misbah batting approach .Actually you are incorrect — Warne’s “criticism”was also related to Waugh as a batsman
— Warne cited the fact that Waugh was involved in 104 career international run outs (a record), in which his partner was run out over 70% of the time (he posted this on his Twitter account when he became aware of this statistic)
— the fact that Waugh did not believe in keeping the strike when batting with tailenders, which Warne claimed was due to his desire to have “not outs” thereby boosting his average.
These are both related to Waugh’s batting.
They can try bowling defensively with in out field. Restricting the scoring rate is the best way to beat England in their own game.Eng will be more than happy, kept Pakistan in check with only tail left. 280ish they will wipe it in 2½sessions. Basically Eng will look to bat once hopefully the spin trio of Pakistan will not let them settle.
With respect, by definition no one’s opinion is “objective”….. as individuals all of our opinions (including all of ours on this forum) are subjectiveTake Ian Chappell's or really any Aussies opinions on other Aussies with a big bucket of salt. They are not always objective
There are opinions that have some basis in objective facts and others that don't.With respect, by definition no one’s opinion is “objective”….. as individuals all of our opinions (including all of ours on this forum) are subjective
Pakistan don't have bowlers to plan anything. They are just relying on pitch cracking up, doesn't seem it'll happenThey can try bowling defensively with in out field. Restricting the scoring rate is the best way to beat England in their own game.
Pakistan ain't getting 500, after these 2 batters we have a long tailI would say anything less than 500, and it is game over for Pakistan
I know. England are on top at the moment.Pakistan ain't getting 500, after these 2 batters we have a long tail
No score is good enough if we continue to collapse in second innings. Normally 400 would be a good score on such a surface.I know. England are on top at the moment.
No score is good enough when you have pathetic bowlers. England are scoring 500 at least as the turn on offer seems very manageable.No score is good enough if we continue to collapse in second innings. Normally 400 would be a good score on such a surface.
It's sluggish and spinning a bit and likely to get worse
I don't think England are getting 500 on this surface especially we're able to bat for 40-50 more overs in the first innings.No score is good enough when you have pathetic bowlers. England are scoring 500 at least as the turn on offer seems very manageable.
Pakistan could effectively be batting last
Spinners weren't doing a damn.I don't think England are getting 500 on this surface especially we're able to bat for 40-50 more overs in the first innings.
Spinners are going to nab them
Our spinners should bowl much better on this surface than EnglandSpinners weren't doing a damn.
It was reversing qith seam
Only noman Ali is half decentI don't think England are getting 500 on this surface especially we're able to bat for 40-50 more overs in the first innings.
Spinners are going to nab them
Our spinners are trash. Leach is better and much more suited to this track but was still manageableOur spinners should bowl much better on this surface than England
Seam was way more threatening than spin tbhFirst day 57 overs of spin 33 overs seam.
Why? Pakistan hasnalways misread it's pitches, it's nothing new. Their over reliance on spin will come back to bite them.Our spinners should bowl much better on this surface than England
Also said he doesn't want sarfaraz and now he wants him. It is sad that some posters life's revolve around rizwan.But you clearly said Haseebullah farigh hai, and now you are proposing his name
Make up your mind Baba Saigol
Basically it is a hate driven agenda and I smell racism.Also said he doesn't want sarfaraz and now he wants him. It is sad that some posters life's revolve around rizwan.
Its a day 9 pitch , used pitch and will go worse in the coming days.. If Pak can manage somehow to put a score of 350+ this will be a good match.. with three experienced FC spinners + Salman its Pak match to lose i reckon...This could get ugly if no turn is found today
England can make what is seemingly a good score look under par very quickly. The pitch will need to spit a lot more venom for our spinners to be effective.Its a day 9 pitch , used pitch and will go worse in the coming days.. If Pak can manage somehow to put a score of 350+ this will be a good match.. with three experienced FC spinners + Salman its Pak match to lose i reckon...
Shafique's technique was exposed badly in this series by England.. his bat comes in an angle from the gully... he needs to go back to domestic and get his technique fixed.. bowled in the last inns on a fuller delivery first ball and today one more time...Leach takes out SHafique
Agree that if the pitch stays how it is today it will not make that tough for England..England can make what is seemingly a good score look under par very quickly. The pitch will need to spit a lot more venom for our spinners to be effective.
If the turn stays moderate like today they will likely get smashed to all parts
You can't expect to keep bowling the two pacers they've selected all day. They bowled as many overs as they could under the conditions. Pakistani fans need to understand this, and more importantly, so does the Pakistan think tank, which has a habit of running their bowlers into the ground.Amongst good captaincy Stokes does strange decisions like bowling root to make it easier for Ghulam to get the last two runs, and earlier in the day bowling spinners for too long when they were being handled easily by Saim and Kamran, as soon as pacers came they made it harder for Pakistan.
There is definitely an element of racism directed towards him by some posters. I personally don't like rizwan for his antics and part of his game too, but unlike others I am not deluded in thinking that there are better options than him. If you seriously think there is a better option than rizwan for tests. This tells us 2 things you either don't know cricket or you hate him.Basically it is a hate driven agenda and I smell racism.
I don't support them, but I hate riz more.But to replace Riz you are giving names of Sarfaraz & Haseebullah whom you dont support yourself. something doesnt seem right.
Is it because he is a pathan?I don't support them, but I hate riz more.
Hussnain has remodelled his action. Looks good.Shafique's technique was exposed badly in this series by England.. his bat comes in an angle from the gully... he needs to go back to domestic and get his technique fixed.. bowled in the last inns on a fuller delivery first ball and today one more time...
Replace him with Hurraira and he will make a debut 100 as well...
I would even play Imam ul Haq at no.3 instead of this English speaking captain Shan...
Imam ul Haq would have definitely made more runs than this useless Shan if given the opportunity at no.3..
following should be the pool of players to select from for tests
- Hurraira
- Saim Ayub
- Imam ul Haq
- Kamran Ghulam
- Babar Azam ( after he scores loads of runs in FC and earns his spot back )
- Salman Ali Agha
- Rizwan
- Aameer Jamal
- Sajid Khan
- Noman Ali
- Mir Hamza
- Sameen Gul
- Naseem Shah
- Zahid Mehmood
- Abdullah Shafique
- Saud Shakeel..
- Usman Salahuddin
- Abraar Ahmed
- Hasnain
- Khurram Shehzad
Did need to bowl all day just should had bowled a lot earlier as clearly Pakistan struggles with pacers more, and if couple more wickets fell Pakistan would had been under tremendous pressure early on. Stokes definitely provided the opportunity for Pakistan to stabilise, taking nothing away from KG and Saim sensible batting.You can't expect to keep bowling the two pacers they've selected all day. They bowled as many overs as they could under the conditions. Pakistani fans need to understand this, and more importantly, so does the Pakistan think tank, which has a habit of running their bowlers into the ground.
So I was right it's due to hate, is it because he is religious? I see no possible reason for hating him in Tests, considering he is Pakistan's best performing wicket keeping batsman who is sound keeper too.I don't support them, but I hate riz more.
This: Kamran Ghulam, who earlier became the 257th player to don the Test cap for Pakistan, hit a brilliant century in his first outing in the Test career as Pakistan finished the first day of the second Test match with 259-5 in 90 overs at the Multan Cricket Stadium on Tuesday.
Kamran was dismissed for a well-made 118 off 224 balls hitting 11 fours and one six, in the 85th over of the day after having walked into bat in the 10th over with 19-2 on the board.
Along with Saim Ayub (77, 160b, 7x4s), Kamran shared a 149-run third-wicket partnership as the duo took Pakistan out of trouble before Saim departed in the 56th over with the scorecard reading 168-3.
Earlier, after Pakistan opted to bat first, Jack Leach drew the first blood as he castled Abdullah Shafique for a 28-ball seven in the eighth over. An over later, Leach got rid of Shan Masood for just three as Crawley pouched the ball at short midwicket.
Pakistan amassed 79 runs for the loss of just two wickets on the stroke of lunch with Saim and Kamran having brought up their fifty-run stand off 85 balls. Saim reached his third Test half-century off 97 balls before succumbing to Matthew Potts just an over before Tea break, caught by Ben Stokes at short mid-off.
After Pakistan scored 94 runs in the second session giving away only one wicket, England began the third session with the vital scalp of Saud Shakeel (4, 14b, 1x4) as he was caught behind off Brydon Carse in the 61st over.
With the scorecard reading 178-4, Mohammad Rizwan (37 not out, 89b, 4x4s) joined forces with Kamran to stabilise Pakistan’s innings as the duo put on a dogged 65-run fifth-wicket partnership. In the meanwhile, Kamran became the 13th Pakistan player to score a century on Test debut and only the sixth batter to score a hundred on men’s Test debut while batting at No.4, when he hit Joe Root to midwicket for a boundary in the 74th over.
Shoaib Bashir brought an end to Kamran’s 74.4-over stay on the crease when he got one to hit the stumps in the 85th over with Pakistan 243-5. Salman Ali Agha (5 not out, 19b) and Rizwan closed the day for Pakistan with 259-5 on the board.
Scores in brief:
Second Test - Day 1 of 5; Pakistan won the toss and elected to bat first at the Multan Cricket Stadium
Pakistan 259-5, 90 overs (Kamran Ghulam 118, Saim Ayub 77, Mohammad Rizwan 37 not out; Jack Leach 2-92)
Stokes bowled them as much as he realistically could. Pakistan's well-known weakness against pace has existed long before Stokes, and he would have been fully aware of that. However, he was equally mindful of not overworking his only two selected pacers so early in the game. That’s precisely why teams select five bowlers who can share the workload effectively.Did need to bowl all day just should had bowled a lot earlier as clearly Pakistan struggles with pacers more, and if couple more wickets fell Pakistan would had been under tremendous pressure early on. Stokes definitely provided the opportunity for Pakistan to stabilise, taking nothing away from KG and Saim sensible batting.
Bazball failed when faced with spin freindly wickets in India but the spinners were Jadeja/Ashwin and Kuldeep.Agree that if the pitch stays how it is today it will not make that tough for England..
But their bazball could also get a hit if the Pak spinners attack alongwith the captains support... Just like how Stokes created Shans wicket.. Saim and KG batted really beautifully in this wicket to dig out of the hole... Now its upto the remaining lot to make sure Pak cross 350 with ease.. 450 would be a match winning score in this wicket provided Pak bat well in the second inns..
England so far in the last tour and this tour havent been tested with spin friendly wickets and good amount of spin bowling...
first time they are put into this situation and it would be interesting to see how they respond..
To block Babar you have to win every series from now on. Not happening, unless Shan Masood turns into Clive Lloyd overnight.If Pakistan wins this, I see no way back for Babar or Shaheen.
Slow turner with some variable bounce. All in all pretty manageableDidn't see the match fully. How was the pitch? Was it tacky? It was not tacky from little i saw. It was just very slow off the pitch. DIdn't see anything unusual
Crawley will go down the ground. Ducket will keep sweeping till cows come home.Slow turner with some variable bounce. All in all pretty manageable