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Pakistan reach 259/5 at stumps on Day 1 of the second Test in their first innings against South Africa

Pakistan should look to get 400-500. They can if saud bats the way he does. But ik they wont as shan will depart once he gets his 100
 
Rana said:
Younis is too high an example for Babar,

We don’t even need to look too far away with Shan Masood being a better example and more appropriate to Babar’s caliber.

Shan has been brilliant since he worked so hard in domestics. He’s shown that you can turn things around with hard work and dedication, plus clarity of mind. The clarity for Shan was that he wanted to become a proper red ball batsman.
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YK was actually extremely talented. People view his career in odi as shockingly poor for his standards as a player of his caliber should have been greater in that format.

The whole he was untalented but worked hard is a myth. That logic should be more applicable to players like Ijaz Ahmed.
 
Markhor said:
Thing is he's already had plenty of time out having been excluded from the T20 team.

The QEA Trophy was scheduled too close to this series, but he could've played Hanif Mohammad Trophy, or County Cricket if he pushed for a place.

Babar's literally wasted the best part of a year which I cannot understand. He's 31 (officially) and should be desperate to maximise whatever's left of his peak years. Younis Khan may not have been as naturally talented but any time he got into a rut, he worked like an animal to get back into form.

Babar doesn't seem to have the hunger that our past greats had who also had inept administrations, and multiple captains/coaches/selectors to contend with.
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I remember Younis going to Australia to play Shield cricket with South Australia back in 2008 when Pakistan didn't have a single test match scheduled all year. Had multiple county stints with Surrey, Warwickshire, Yorkshire etc. too. If Babar wanted to do the same I am sure there would be a number of teams who would jump at the opportunity to have him turn up for them, but he hasn't even played county which is very convenient for Pakistani cricketers because of the scheduling.

Also amazing how much of a role model Younis Khan still is. He was always an outlier in Pakistan cricket because of his incredible work ethic and tireless dedication to his craft, and he still is.
 
Rana said:
Younis is too high an example for Babar,

We don’t even need to look too far away with Shan Masood being a better example and more appropriate to Babar’s caliber.

Shan has been brilliant since he worked so hard in domestics. He’s shown that you can turn things around with hard work and dedication, plus clarity of mind. The clarity for Shan was that he wanted to become a proper red ball batsman.
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Shan has played alot of county cricket too. I know county today is not the same level that it used to be, but point is, he is playing first-class cricket in overseas conditions. There's nothing stopping Babar or really any first team Pakistan player from playing county, it all depends on how serious you are to elevate/improve your game.
 
Asad T said:
as long as he doesnt put pressure on his batting partners
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This is test not odi. Ignore the people advocating for bazzball. Bazzball has never worked.

Ponting era was different. Their wasnt any team on their level at that time.

If bazzball era was some sort of goat revolutionary era England would have won 3 out of 3 wtc's.

Australia is still playing classic test cricket and dominating. Khawaja, Labu, Renshaw, Steve Smith, Alex Carey etc etc are all classic test cricketers.

They only have 2 dashers in Cameron Green and Travis Head thats it.
 
mominsaigol said:
This is test not odi. Ignore the people advocating for bazzball. Bazzball has never worked.

Ponting era was different. Their wasnt any team on their level at that time.

If bazzball era was some sort of goat revolutionary era England would have won 3 out of 3 wtc's.

Australia is still playing classic test cricket and dominating. Khawaja, Labu, Renshaw, Steve Smith, Alex Carey etc etc are all classic test cricketers.

They only have 2 dashers in Cameron Green and Travis Head thats it.
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Bazzball is overrated....
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Shan has played alot of county cricket too. I know county today is not the same level that it used to be, but point is, he is playing first-class cricket in overseas conditions. There's nothing stopping Babar or really any first team Pakistan player from playing county, it all depends on how serious you are to elevate/improve your game.
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Babar was made offers from Counties this summer but they didn’t match what he wanted to be paid.

The guy’s priorities are not correct I’m afraid.

Man preferred to do nothing for his actual trade and was busy making cash through advertisements and also holidays abroad.

From a business pov, Babar is flourishing.
 
Human786 said:
400 given the way pitch is playing ...
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Imo, 350 - 375 is the limit of this team. 4 Number 11s, a useless number 4, & Agha who is unable to play with the tail means that it's hard to score above that.

From 220/3 to 225/5 is a normal for this team and from there on they almost always struggle to even cross 300 in most conditions.
 
Rana said:
Babar was made offers from Counties this summer but they didn’t match what he wanted to be paid.

The guy’s priorities are not correct I’m afraid.

Man preferred to do nothing for his actual trade and was busy making cash through advertisements and also holidays abroad.

From a business pov, Babar is flourishing.
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PCB doesn't help matters much either by revoking NOC's all the time too
but yes, the fault is mainly with babar imo
 
Poor shot from Shan, just lost patience...the ton was there for the taking. But credit to Maharaj because that was a very good delivery. Tossed it up and bowled it so slow, which is the way to go here. Pitch is definitely starting to show it's true colors now
 
Asad T said:
PCB doesn't help matters much either by revoking NOC's all the time too
but yes, the fault is mainly with babar imo
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Babar and Rizwan are dealt with differently most of the times when it comes to NOCs.

Also when it comes to Babar, a lot of his T20 franchise contracts are dealt with differently too. His agent has stopped entering his name in draft systems having suffered so much embarrassment with the snubs in the Hundred

Rizwan has the same agent, and to this day his CPL contract is undisclosed. I feel Rizwan played the CPL pro bono with expenses of travel and accommodation paid only. Dodgy dodgy business!
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Poor shot from Shan, just lost patience...the ton was there for the taking. But credit to Maharaj because that was a very good delivery. Tossed it up and bowled it so slow, which is the way to go here. Pitch is definitely starting to show it's true colors now
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yeah, after getting stuck in, he got sruck out
saud and riz on the other hand, will test the patience of the south african bowlers haha
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Imo, 350 - 375 is the limit of this team. 4 Number 11s, a useless number 4, & Agha who is unable to play with the tail means that it's hard to score above that.

From 220/3 to 225/5 is a normal for this team and from there on they almost always struggle to even cross 300 in most conditions.
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deck is decent GC ... 216/4
 
Are my eyes deceiving me or have they finally put seats in very stand at Pindi ?

Those concrete terraces were embarrassing. Ground looks nice now.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Poor shot from Shan, just lost patience...the ton was there for the taking. But credit to Maharaj because that was a very good delivery. Tossed it up and bowled it so slow, which is the way to go here. Pitch is definitely starting to show it's true colors now
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fancy a result in 4 days ?
 
People need to stop being pessimistic. Excluding babar, Imam and Abdullah (who got lucky)

Shan batted beautifully and Saud is batting beautifully as well.

Appreciate a team's efforts for once.
 
mominsaigol said:
People need to stop being pessimistic. Excluding babar, Imam and Abdullah (who got lucky)

Shan batted beautifully and Saud is batting beautifully as well.

Appreciate a team's efforts for once.
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Both Shafique and Shan threw their wickets away, when they were set for a big score. It's difficult for new batters to come in and start scoring, so at least one of them should have gone on to score a big ton.

South Africa will not let us back into the game repeatedly.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Both Shafique and Shan threw their wickets away, when they were set for a big score. It's difficult for new batters to come in and start scoring, so at least one of them should have gone on to score a big ton.

South Africa will not let us back into the game repeatedly.
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SA has already lost this test the moment they dropped multiple catches.

You made similar comments in tue 1st game and no one called you out on it either, then you refused to admit you were wrong.

Shan threw his wicket away yes but that doesn't invalidate the 87 runs he scored especially when shan departed early and Abdullah and Babar were both showing signs of getting out any minute. Shan held his nerve for a long long time.

Saud is following the same mantra.
 
imshally81 said:
Edged n Boundary....
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Poor fielding in the slips again. Got to stay low and on your toes as a slip fielder when ball isn't bouncing.
Got up way too early that slip fielder.

@Ab Fan Example of what I was said earlier. Ball reversing but not carrying to the slip fielder off the outside edge.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Both Shafique and Shan threw their wickets away, when they were set for a big score. It's difficult for new batters to come in and start scoring, so at least one of them should have gone on to score a big ton.

South Africa will not let us back into the game repeatedly.
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Shan atleast scored 87 and only had one reprieve. Abdullah was given like 5-6 chances, still scored only 57
 
Just one more innings left for babar azam to do something of note otherwise he could be gone from test format for a long long time.
 
mominsaigol said:
SA has already lost this test the moment they dropped multiple catches.

You made similar comments in tue 1st game and no one called you out on it either, then you refused to admit you were wrong.

Shan threw his wicket away yes but that doesn't invalidate the 87 runs he scored especially when shan departed early and Abdullah and Babar were both showing signs of getting out any minute. Shan held his nerve for a long long time.

Saud is following the same mantra.
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I was wrong, since we won but we make too many mistakes. If the opposition doesn't take advantage of our mistakes, doesn't mean we are not making those mistakes. We collapsed thrice in two innings in the first test, a fact that was acknowledged by the head coach.

Too many soft dismissals from our batters and we should be looking into that. The point is to get better and improve, rather than make the same mistakes and hope for the opposition to make more errors than you in order to win. We should look to dominate, at least in our home conditions.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Just one more innings left for babar azam to do something of note otherwise he could be gone from test format for a long long time.
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It doesn’t work like that for him

Whoever replaces him has to score 50 or more every innings, otherwise Babar will be back after 2-3 failures of that player.
 
Rana said:
It doesn’t work like that for him

Whoever replaces him has to score 50 or more every innings, otherwise Babar will be back after 2-3 failures of that player.
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He is being brought back in a format where he is completely out of place, forget about him being dropped from tests.

He is just playing on reputation now, so remains to be seen how long we as fans have to suffer this mufta wicket.
 
Definetly need one of the remaining batsmen to get a big 100 and put an imposing first innings total this wicket looks flat
 
Pakistan have done the hard work , they should remain focused plenty of time to play , keep in mind SA will bat last so just enjoy your batting in a risk free approach j
 
Not the first time seeing Rizwan dismissed lbw like this of a pacer playing back to a ball he should have been forward too. Glaring technical defficiency that oppositions have caught on to and always exploit.
 
Rizwan caught on the crease. Not for the first time, a delivery coming in does for him.

Cannot afford to lose any more wickets now till stumps.
 
I've noticed Rizwan in test cricket(excluding Aus series) only scores runs when someone else is already at 50+ and the score has reached 270-300.

When rebuilding is required he flops instantly 🤣🤣
 
imshally81 said:
Salman ali agha isn't batting all rounder 🤔🤔🤔
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He is a batter who rolls over his arm. If we are going by that standard, even Saud is an all-rounder.

The classic definition of an all-rounder is that they can make it to the team on either batting or bowling alone. The more modern definition is a bit more lenient but he doesn't even fit that definition.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Poor fielding in the slips again. Got to stay low and on your toes as a slip fielder when ball isn't bouncing.
Got up way too early that slip fielder.

@Ab Fan Example of what I was said earlier. Ball reversing but not carrying to the slip fielder off the outside edge.
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That’s actually common in subcontinent due to low bounce. It was the case in Delhi too when WI played the second test.
 
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