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Lately I've been spending a lot of time watching YouTube clips of Pakistani bowlers at their best and I'm just amazed to see the talent that has been there throughout generations. I highly doubt any other nation apart from (1970s-1990s windies team) come close to what Pakistani bowlers have. I literally get goosebumps watching our fast bowlers knocking over the stumps of all the greatest batsman of the world who are absolutely clueless. So why are Pakistani bowers the best in the world, they've always been the best Asian bowling line up but what makes them so good overall?

From the Fazal Mahmoods, Sarfraz Nawaz to arguably 3 of the greatest for PAK, Imran khan, Wasim akram, Waqar younis. Then came Shoaib akhtar and Abdul Razzaq. Then came Umar gul (peak) and Sami etc (pacewise). And the skillful Mohammed asif and Mohammed Amir. Recently Junaid and Hasan also impressive.

Not just pacers but spinners aswell play an important role in Pakistan's victories. Abdul qadir, saqlain mushtaq, mushtaq ahmed, the came danish kaneria, saeed ajmal, yasir shah who spun the worlds best batsman into cobwebs. Even all rounders like Afridi, Malik and Hafeez could make batsman look clueless at their best.

So what makes Pakistan so good at bowling. Watching the YouTube clips I literally get gooesebumps like I said before watching our bowlers in full flow, the swing, reverse swing, toe crushers, bouncers you name it. Also got teary eyes espicially when watching the magician asif who destroyed his career.
 
Alongside Aus and SA, I can't think of any other sides that have produced as many top class bowlers, time and time again. Pak overtakes both those nations when it comes to producing spinners, and just when it looked like the fast bowling stocks were dwindling, we have Ajmal, Rehman and co and now Shah and Shadab. As spinners have become plentiful, we're starting to see the rise of the faster men yet again, Hasan, Amir, Raees, Junaid and plenty of others.

I'm not sure how it happens, as academies are limited, coaching is limited, kids grow up playing on the streets and opposed to clubs in Aus, SA and Eng. Is it natural talent? The environment? Childhood heroes?

Who knows.
 
Most talented cricket team by a distance, that’s why Pakistan has dominated cricket for such a long time.
 
barah_admi said:
Alongside Aus and SA, I can't think of any other sides that have produced as many top class bowlers, time and time again. Pak overtakes both those nations when it comes to producing spinners, and just when it looked like the fast bowling stocks were dwindling, we have Ajmal, Rehman and co and now Shah and Shadab. As spinners have become plentiful, we're starting to see the rise of the faster men yet again, Hasan, Amir, Raees, Junaid and plenty of others.

I'm not sure how it happens, as academies are limited, coaching is limited, kids grow up playing on the streets and opposed to clubs in Aus, SA and Eng. Is it natural talent? The environment? Childhood heroes?

Who knows.
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West Indies?
 
Slog said:
West Indies have been poor for almost 20 years now more or less

When was the last time a West Indian pacer would get into a World Eleven of the time
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Ambrose and Walsh were playing till 2000 so i guess then but i thought this was about talented quicks who had natural ability otherwise i don't think any current Pakistani quick would make it into the World XI either.
 
Keep thinking about past. None of the current pacers can get in to world test eleven.
 
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IndianFan2018 said:
Those were the days..... Not anymore :ashwin
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Nikhil_cric said:
Ambrose and Walsh were playing till 2000 so i guess then but i thought this was about talented quicks who had natural ability otherwise i don't think any current Pakistani quick would make it into the World XI either.
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Hasan Ali would arguably make ODI world eleven.

And in past 20 years there's 2,3 Pak Pacers who would make World XI at a given time
 
Pakistan have had some amazing bowlers over the years, wish there was a genuinely quick bowler now!
 
Fazal Mehmood was the first true fast bowler Pakistan produced. Possibly the most influential in their history as well.
 
The problem with Pakistan's pacers over the last 20 odd years is that they have not been able to get anywhere near Waqar and Wasim. Those two set the bar so high that everyone else looks mediocre in comparison.

Probably Shoaib Akhtar was the only one who could match them somewhat.
 
It really gives you goosebumps watching youtube videos of Wasim and Waqar. I feel sad that I grew up watching our trundlers for the most part.
 
The disappointing thing for me is that we haven't produced a great test bowler since Asif.

For me a truly great bowler has to be a great in tests. In tests you have to work hard to get the batsman out as he is not going to be taking risks on his part such as in ODIs and T20s. You have to frustrate batsmen, bamboozle them with swing or seam or draw them into a false shot.

In LOIs the batsmen will look to score quickly which creates opportunities for wickets. There is a reason why we have seen so many bowlers ending up on the fastest to 50/100 wicket lists in recent times. With teams looking for more runs the batsmen are less likely to to try and defend against bowlers which means more opportunities to take wickets for genuine wicket taking bowlers. But the flatter pitches and smaller grounds still upset the overall balance in favor of the batsmen.
 
Would love to see a few averaging under 30 in Test Cricket. Your current bunch seems hopeless, but I have high expectations from the little Pakistani kids going viral these days.
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Those were the days..... Not anymore :ashwin
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We wipe the floor with your bowling attack in ODIs and T20s. Heck I cannot see a better bowling attack in international cricket than:

Amir
Hasan
Junaid
Fahim
Shadab
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Ambrose and Walsh were playing till 2000 so i guess then but i thought this was about talented quicks who had natural ability otherwise i don't think any current Pakistani quick would make it into the World XI either.
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What talented quicks with natural ability have the Windies produced in recent times? Yes Roach and Edwards were quick but they didn't have the same sort of "natural ability" that Amir, Starc, Rabada or Cummins have.
 
Syed1 said:
We wipe the floor with your bowling attack in ODIs and T20s. Heck I cannot see a better bowling attack in international cricket than:

Amir
Hasan
Junaid
Fahim
Shadab
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And that must be because of what happened on June 18, right? :))

If Pakistani pacers were half good as you claim, Pakistani ODI side wouldn't be ranked alongside minnows today. Bumrah and Shami alone are better than half a dozen bowlers you listed above. Include Test Cricket, and your entire pace attack isn't fit to be named alongside those two.
 
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BlackShadow said:
And that must be because of what happened in June 18, right? :))

If Pakistani pacers were half good as you claim, Pakistani ODI side wouldn't be ranked alongside minnows today. Bumrah and Shami alone are better than half a dozen bowlers you listed above. Include Test Cricket, and your entire pace attack isn't fit to be named alongside those two.
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Ah yes the rankings.... these days you are number one so everything falls back to rankings. I remember when Hasan Ali was number one ODI bowler a few months ago ranking didn't matter that much.


Bumrah and Shami won't even get on the Pakistan bench.
 
Pakistanis, spinners or quicks, just know how to bowl. It's something they're born into and the cricketing culture further reinforces it. That's why so many Pakistani bowlers come up big in crucial crucial moments. Even average bowlers (by Pakistans standards) like Wahab or Razzaq have big moments in their careers. Its why our batsmen end up becoming bowling all-rounders like Hafeez and Afridi.

With India it's the opposite. They just know how to bat. Definitely envious of how their batsmen just know how to construct an innings and have a selection of shots to choose from. Their bowlers end up becoming all-rounders with decent batting ability like Pathan, Agarkar, Ashwin.
 
Syed1 said:
Ah yes the rankings.... these days you are number one so everything falls back to rankings. I remember when Hasan Ali was number one ODI bowler a few months ago ranking didn't matter that much.


Bumrah and Shami won't even get on the Pakistan bench.
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Bhai let them live in their fantasy world where Bhuvneshwar Kumar is a world class strike bowler :))
 
babajee said:
Bhai let them live in their fantasy world where Bhuvneshwar Kumar is a world class strike bowler :))
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One Indian even made a thread that Bhuvneshwar Kumar is the second coming of Wasim Akram or something along those lines :)))



The same Bhuv who averaged 100 in the recent SA ODI series :))
 
Syed1 said:
Ah yes the rankings.... these days you are number one so everything falls back to rankings. I remember when Hasan Ali was number one ODI bowler a few months ago ranking didn't matter that much.


Bumrah and Shami won't even get on the Pakistan bench.
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These days? Take last 5 or 4 or whatever number of years you want and come back with numbers. Pakistani pace attack is down there at the bottom alongside minnows (just like your team ranking).

Bumrah and Shami are bowlers who average in 20s in all formats, come back when you have one such bowler. :shh
 
BlackShadow said:
ROFL, when you have nothing to counter, quote each other and feel good about the delusions. :))
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Ok.

1) Hasan Ali also averages in 20s in all formats. You mentioned Bumrah who has only played 3 tests lmao so I can mention Hasan. Shami isn’t even a regular in the ODI team.
2) You Indians have a habit of hyping up your bowling attack and saying it’s better than ours... but then CT 2017 happens and “ATG bowlers” Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar average 40+
3) Pakistan doesn’t even have a test bowling attack. We play like 5 tests a year.
 
BlackShadow said:
And that must be because of what happened on June 18, right? :))

If Pakistani pacers were half good as you claim, Pakistani ODI side wouldn't be ranked alongside minnows today. Bumrah and Shami alone are better than half a dozen bowlers you listed above. Include Test Cricket, and your entire pace attack isn't fit to be named alongside those two.
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Bumrah and Hasan Ali are the two outstanding bowlers in limited overs. Both of their test sample size is too small to make a judgement in that format.

Amir and Shami are decent bowlers as well. The thing that Pakistan have is depth in fast bowling resources even today. The bench strength apart from Hasan and Amir consists of Raees, Shinwari, Junaid Khan and a few other younger guys emerging as seen in the PSL.

I don't think India have that same sort of depth to be honest.

But you're right, these are good fast bowlers but there's no truly outstanding fast bowler in that bunch. But that is true for both sides bar Bumrah and Hasan in limited overs.
 
BlackShadow said:
These days? Take last 5 or 4 or whatever number of years you want and come back with numbers. Pakistani pace attack is down there at the bottom alongside minnows.

Bumrah and Shami are bowlers who average in 20s in all formats, come back when you have one such bowler. :shh
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Why go 4 or 5 years back when we are talking about present? This bowling attack didn't even exist 4 or 5 years ago....
 
So I dug up the bowling stats for the 12 months for our chest thumping friend [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION], these are the stats for ODIs

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And these are the stats for T20s

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Pakistan on top of the pile for bowling average and rpo, the two main bowling statistics.
 
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RickyG said:
Bumrah and Hasan Ali are the two outstanding bowlers in limited overs. Both of their test sample size is too small to make a judgement in that format.

Amir and Shami are decent bowlers as well. The thing that Pakistan have is depth in fast bowling resources even today. The bench strength apart from Hasan and Amir consists of Raees, Shinwari, Junaid Khan and a few other younger guys emerging as seen in the PSL.

I don't think India have that same sort of depth to be honest.

But you're right, these are good fast bowlers but there's no truly outstanding fast bowler in that bunch. But that is true for both sides bar Bumrah and Hasan in limited overs.
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Bumrah and Hasan indeed stand out from the bunch only in LOIs, but if you put your bias aside, you will find that a certain Mohammad Shami actually is above both across all formats. Then you have Bhuvneshwar Kumar who averages 26 in Test Cricket and has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 12 months. Why are you ignoring Test Cricket? If anything, that is the most important format when it comes to ascertaining a bowler's worth.

Also, Raees, Shinwari, Junaid etc have done nothing to be bracketed alongside the bowlers I have mentioned above. The so called depth you claim seems to be based on high hopes or bias than something substantial.
 
BlackShadow said:
Bumrah and Hasan indeed stand out from the bunch only in LOIs, but if you put your bias aside, you will find that a certain Mohammad Shami actually is above both across all formats. Then you have Bhuvneshwar Kumar who averages 26 in Test Cricket and has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 12 months. Why are you ignoring Test Cricket? If anything, that is the most important format when it comes to ascertaining a bowler's worth.

Also, Raees, Shinwari, Junaid etc have done nothing to be bracketed alongside the bowlers I have mentioned above. The so called depth you claim seems to be based on high hopes or bias than something substantial.
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Lol come back when Bhuvneshwar Kumar plays all tests for India... any bowler would look “improved by leaps and bounds” if they are just dropped into helpful conditions and rested when its tough in India.
 
Syed1 said:
So I dug up the bowling stats for the 12 months for our chest thumping friend [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION], these are the stats for ODIs

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And these are the stats for T20s

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Pakistan on top of the pile for bowling average and rpo, the two main bowling statistics.
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Pakistan almost never lose limited over games because of their bowling. I think it's beyond ridiculous for anyone to suggest that Pakistan don't have a strong bowling attack. People get obsessed with averages but overlook economy rates. Hafeez and Imad Wasim at times have been a crucial part of our bowling attacks even with their Mid-30 averages because they hardly ever get milked for runs.

Not to mention, the current bowling resources are probably the best we've had in the last 7-8 years.
 
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I’ve been hearing that Bhuvneshwar Kumar is a much improved bowler for like the last 2 years...

But he averages 49 against non minnows in ODI over those last 2 years :danish
 
In T20s Pakistani bowlers bowl at an economy of 6.90 which means over 20 over innings the average total against Pak is 138, whereas the average total against the next best side is 155.



But but but Pakistan bowling isn't all that great :sree
 
BlackShadow said:
Bumrah and Hasan indeed stand out from the bunch only in LOIs, but if you put your bias aside, you will find that a certain Mohammad Shami actually is above both across all formats. Then you have Bhuvneshwar Kumar who averages 26 in Test Cricket and has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 12 months. Why are you ignoring Test Cricket? If anything, that is the most important format when it comes to ascertaining a bowler's worth.

Also, Raees, Shinwari, Junaid etc have done nothing to be bracketed alongside the bowlers I have mentioned above. The so called depth you claim seems to be based on high hopes or bias than something substantial.
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Not ignoring test cricket but the criteria was which bowlers could be in a world XI. Neither Bhuvneshwar nor Shami have any hopes of being in a test World XI. Not when the competition is Starc, Hazlewood, Rabada, Philander, Boult, Anderson etc.

Bhuvneshwar averaging 26 is a bit of a surprise to be fair and good for him but let's see if he can sustain it. Shami might be the best quick bowler in test matches from the subcontinent at the moment but I fail to see how he is better than Hasan Ali or Bumrah in limited overs.

Junaid has almost a 100 wickets at an average of 28. If that amounts to nothing then what does it say about the 60-odd wickets of Bhuvi in test matches or Shami's 90 odi wickets?

You're right Shinwari and Raees haven't played enough but when required they've proved to be very capable back ups. That translates into having depth.

What is substantial in your opinion? Or do the goal posts shift based on the player we're discussing? Let's not confuse having an opinion with lazy words like "bias" otherwise we'd be resorting to mud-slinging and name-calling and you're already engaged in that with a couple of other posters already.
 
gani999 said:
The problem with Pakistan's pacers over the last 20 odd years is that they have not been able to get anywhere near Waqar and Wasim. Those two set the bar so high that everyone else looks mediocre in comparison.

Probably Shoaib Akhtar was the only one who could match them somewhat.
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It's hard to match Wasim and Waqar of 90s.

Pakistan in 90s:
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Pakistan after 90s:
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Syed1 said:
So I dug up the bowling stats for the 12 months for our chest thumping friend [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION], these are the stats for ODIs

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And these are the stats for T20s

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Pakistan on top of the pile for bowling average and rpo, the two main bowling statistics.
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So in a comparison of pacers, you bring up 12 month team stats half of which happens to be Lanka bashing. :facepalm:

Let me make it easier or you.

Top pacers in Tests (Last 24 months) - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;spanval3=span;template=results;type=bowling

Top ODI pacers (Last 24 months) - [http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;spanval3=span;template=results;type=bowling

24 months so that Pakistani bowlers could qualify for my very kind 15 wickets criteria. Too bad it didn't help much, because you can hardly spot a Pakistani pacer in either list. :))
 
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BlackShadow said:
So in a comparison of pacers, you bring up 12 month team stats half of which happens to be Lanka bashing. :facepalm:

Let me make it easier or you.

Top pacers in Tests (Last 24 months) - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;spanval3=span;template=results;type=bowling

Top ODI pacers (Last 24 months) - [http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;spanval3=span;template=results;type=bowling

24 months so that Pakistani bowlers could qualify for my very kind 15 wickets criteria. Too bad it didn't help much, because you can hardly spot a Pakistani pacer in either list. :))
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Maybe you missed Hasan Ali on number three of the list you yourself posted :)))



This is going from bad to worse for you
 
Sorry [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] but what does that list even mean :)))

Tim Southee with his mighty 40 average is 6th best over the last 24 months.
 
Syed1 said:
Maybe you missed Hasan Ali on number three of the list you yourself posted :)))



This is going from bad to worse for you
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Land of pacers = Hasan Ali in ODIs.

Ok, I got that. Thanks for proving the point I have been making this entire thread.
 
babajee said:
Ok.

1) Hasan Ali also averages in 20s in all formats. You mentioned Bumrah who has only played 3 tests lmao so I can mention Hasan. Shami isn’t even a regular in the ODI team.
2) You Indians have a habit of hyping up your bowling attack and saying it’s better than ours... but then CT 2017 happens and “ATG bowlers” Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar average 40+
3) Pakistan doesn’t even have a test bowling attack. We play like 5 tests a year.
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Shami avgs better than Amir in ODIs and Tests.

Bumrah avgs better than Amir in ODIs and T20s, not talking tests as he has played only 3.

Bhuvi avgs better than Amir in tests.

Hassan has better stats than Shami and Bumrah in ODIs no doubt.

So with all chest thumping you have 1 bowler who is better than Indias in ODIs. And no test fast bowler
 
RickyG said:
Bumrah and Hasan Ali are the two outstanding bowlers in limited overs. Both of their test sample size is too small to make a judgement in that format.

Amir and Shami are decent bowlers as well. The thing that Pakistan have is depth in fast bowling resources even today. The bench strength apart from Hasan and Amir consists of Raees, Shinwari, Junaid Khan and a few other younger guys emerging as seen in the PSL.

I don't think India have that same sort of depth to be honest.

But you're right, these are good fast bowlers but there's no truly outstanding fast bowler in that bunch. But that is true for both sides bar Bumrah and Hasan in limited overs.
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Did you watch the U19 WC?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Shami avgs better than Amir in ODIs and Tests.

Bumrah avgs better than Amir in ODIs and T20s, not talking tests as he has played only 3.

Bhuvi avgs better than Amir in tests.

Hassan has better stats than Shami and Bumrah in ODIs no doubt.

So with all chest thumping you have 1 bowler who is better than Indias in ODIs. And no test fast bowler
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We don’t have a test attack - your guys have been playing together for a while now. BK is played on horses for courses so IDC about his stats. Yadav is mediocre. Bumrah is untested. And Ishant....

Shami is very good I agree, best test pacer from subcontinent.

So with all chest thumping you have 1 bowler better than Pakistan’s in tests.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Shami avgs better than Amir in ODIs and Tests.

Bumrah avgs better than Amir in ODIs and T20s, not talking tests as he has played only 3.

Bhuvi avgs better than Amir in tests.

Hassan has better stats than Shami and Bumrah in ODIs no doubt.

So with all chest thumping you have 1 bowler who is better than Indias in ODIs. And no test fast bowler
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Junaid is better than Kumar.
 
babajee said:
Sorry [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] but what does that list even mean :)))

Tim Southee with his mighty 40 average is 6th best over the last 24 months.
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Thanks for bringing this up, because when I sort it based on average, you get a top 5 consisting of -

1) Bhuvneshwar
2) Anderson
3) Rabada
4) Philander
5) Shami

and then comes Ishant... and everyone else... and Sohail Khan. #LandOfPacers :nehra

Source - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;spanval3=span;template=results;type=bowling
 

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Syed1 said:
Maybe you missed Hasan Ali on number three of the list you yourself posted :)))



This is going from bad to worse for you
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Did you miss Bumrah? And Hasan Ali implies Pakistan is the land of pacers? Then Afghanistan is the land of spinners as well.

You got caught out trying to manipulate the stats to your liking by picking a selective time period. Now you're trying to play that down by saying that this is going bad to worse for him.
 
BlackShadow said:
And I am talking Cricket, so is the OP.

If Land of Pacers = Hasan Ali in ODIs, and the thread title doesn't sound too credible.
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Ok so you might have missed Fazal, Sarfraz, Imran Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib etc.

OP is talking about bowling culture.
 
Sachin136 said:
Did you miss Bumrah? And Hasan Ali implies Pakistan is the land of pacers? Then Afghanistan is the land of spinners as well.

You got caught out trying to manipulate the stats to your liking by picking a selective time period. Now you're trying to play that down by saying that this is going bad to worse for him.
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Pakistan indeed is land of pacers IF we forget -

1) Test Cricket.
2) Every other bowler except Hasan Ali.
3) Every other series except the Champion's Trophy.

Way too many ifs for my liking. :sanga:
 
babajee said:
Lol come back when Bhuvneshwar Kumar plays all tests for India... any bowler would look “improved by leaps and bounds” if they are just dropped into helpful conditions and rested when its tough in India.
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Let Amir avg less than 30 in tests then talk about having bowling.
 
babajee said:
Ok so you might have missed Fazal, Sarfraz, Imran Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib etc.

OP is talking about bowling culture.
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I have always acknowledged the bowling culture. But then posts like #22 happen, and I gotta bring up the current realities.
 
BlackShadow said:
Pakistan indeed is land of pacers IF we forget -

1) Test Cricket.
2) Every other bowler except Hasan Ali.
3) Every other series except the Champion's Trophy.

Way too many ifs for my liking. :sanga:
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Why would you discount performance in a major ICC tournament? I guess India's CT13 win became much less important for Indian fans since 18/06/2017?
 
babajee said:
We don’t have a test attack - your guys have been playing together for a while now. BK is played on horses for courses so IDC about his stats. Yadav is mediocre. Bumrah is untested. And Ishant....

Shami is very good I agree, best test pacer from subcontinent.

So with all chest thumping you have 1 bowler better than Pakistan’s in tests.
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Yea our test bowling is better than Pakistan

ODI bowling is equal to Pakistan though Hassan is the best bowler among them.


This when Pakistan is supposed to be the bowling powerhouse.

How the mighty standards have fallen!
 
Usman Chadda said:
Why would you discount performance in a major ICC tournament? I guess India's CT13 win became much less important for Indian fans since 18/06/2017?
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Read me again, I am not discounting that performance. I am taking everything else into account, including different formats, series, bowlers etc.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Yea our test bowling is better than Pakistan

ODI bowling is equal to Pakistan though Hassan is the best bowler among them.


This when Pakistan is supposed to be the bowling powerhouse.

How the mighty standards have fallen!
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Every team goes through highs and lows... this is your ATG bowling attack. Not ours.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Yea how? They won the trophy?

The highest wicket taker was an Indian.

May be Pakistani pacers are better on PP.
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Our pacers took more wickets than your pacers. Shaheen is best of the lot.

It was the spinner I think who was highest wicket taker.
 
babajee said:
Every team goes through highs and lows... this is your ATG bowling attack. Not ours.
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Who was the last Pakistani fast bowler to take 200 test wickets?

Who was the last Pakistani fast bowler to take 200 ODI wickets?

And when did they debut?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Do you see Indians bringing 2013 CT win in every thread?
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Indian fans did when they won it, with good reason. CT 2017 happened recently, not 10 years back that fans would stop talking about it. The whole world was watching and this Pakistani bowling attack just mesmerized every neutral analyst/critic out there when they bulldozed their way to the trophy. For Indian fans to brush it aside is sour grapes IMO.
 
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