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Pakistan v New Zealand | 2nd Test | Nov 17-21, 2014 | Dubai | Day 5

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If Pakistan were interested in winning they should have promoted sarfraz, but they never were
 
78 needed in 9 overs is too tough in test cricket. Though we should give it a to for a couple overs with these 2 and if we lose a wicket then block the last 5/6 overs.
 
Again lads why are you so disheartened? We are 1-0 up, could've and would've pushed for the win if we didn't lose those 3 quick ones. Is perfectly fine, we'll come back at Sharjah with a better batting and bowling lineup (Hafeez).
 
77 needed from 53, its almost T20 or ODI stuff needed now, we have a long tail so question is do these two guys actually have a go here in the chance we could lose the game!
 
saiyan0312 said:
forget bad balls. dropped catches. Catches win matches and those drops show how bad our performance was. A draw is a lucky escape.
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We're not lucky to get away with a draw here, an extra 10-15 overs and we would be favourites to win from here.
 
Baz trying to almost buy a wicket here to try and win the game.
 
Please replace the openers with Hafeez and Fawad. Also get Wahab Riaz in if he's fit.
 
London_Lahori said:
We're not lucky to get away with a draw here, an extra 10-15 overs and we would be favourites to win from here.
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I doubt it. Its obvious we have been gunning for a draw since they scored 403. By lucky i meant those drops could have done harm than they did. I hate dropped catches.
 
A draw here and we are 1-0 up and hopefully we can make 2 changes for next test, hafeez back in and also another middle order batsmen maybe who can bowl as well. Get AA to open and we have better balance then,.
 
Should show intent in the last 7 overs and hit these spinners all over the park. Will leave us with the psychological advantage going into the third test.
 
London_Lahori said:
We're only 74 away from the target, not 174.
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Yes and but add ten more overs and we would still be going for a draw. If we had any intentions of winning then the strategy would have been different and sarfraz would have been promoted like against Srilanka where we were thinking about winning only.
 
saiyan0312 said:
Yes and but add ten more overs and we would still be going for a draw. If we had any intentions of winning then the strategy would have been different and sarfraz would have been promoted like against Srilanka where we were thinking about winning only.
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Why would be looking to draw with 10 more overs?

We didn't promote Sarfraz because we lost 3 wickets in 5 overs. Had that not happened, he would have come in earlier.
 
Its not just about day 5, our attitude throughout this Test has been questionable.
 
Not sure if 12 year olds posting above ^ .. criticising Shafiq for not rotating strike lol, as said before the game has been ONLY in NZ's hands for the past 20 odd mins, losing a wicket now means they could continue to bowl spinners and put us under more and more pressure. A few big run overs, Southee is back and the light meter comes out and we go off.
 
It's already a draw that's how they started their inning...not shocking approach was defensive from the word go.
 
London_Lahori said:
Why would be looking to draw with 10 more overs?

We didn't promote Sarfraz because we lost 3 wickets in 5 overs. Had that not happened, he would have come in earlier.
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bcz we have been looking for a draw since ball one. We would still be doing it. The mentality and the plan remains the same. We had plenty of overs to go for it but decided to draw it even when we had azhar and masood there.

The 3 wickets fell of players who came in their order. Azhar fell and younis came in and as masood fell misbah decided to send himself on rather than sarfraz, who is known to bat quicker. Misbah obviously went for a draw. No changes happened and the body language on day 4 and 5 was amazingly negative.
 
Sarfaraz had the intent of going for the win but Shafiq's approach changed his approach as well i guess :P
Anyways credit to Shafiq for his solid innings!
 
We have not been looking to draw throughout the test, how does that make sense when we've been in the hunt throughout the test?
 
Bilal7 said:
Check his exploits against England. Or his centuries against South Africa.

Not all of these were wins or draws but Shafiq more than did his role in tough situations. Sarfaraz is quite new and Ali's clutch factor is batting at a snail pace.
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Why do people bring up England as though it was yesterday. Also go look at the numbers and tell me the clutch factor Shafiq brought?

Oh, no you're going to jump around the truth, here it is for you.

He scored 16 and a DNB in first match, non factor.

Next match first innings he scored 58, second highest in the innings after Misbah, good right? Well he should have kept going, here is the dismissal:

Swann to Asad Shafiq, OUT, big sweep attempted and given out lbw. He's gone upstairs but umpires call on review so Shafiq has to go. It was a horrible heave across the line and hit him on the back leg going on to hit the stumps. Shafiq has thrown it away there, got a bit carried away
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Next innings get a 43 at an SR of 31, because as you keep saying, snail pace, your logic, not mine, is key in tests, and Shafiq was as snail as it gets.

So far no clutch.

Next innings he the only player to show up with a 45, I will give him that. The only have decent innings he played where he was key was a 45.

Next innings after two tons from Azhar and Hafeez and he goes on to make a putrid 5. Perfect time for him to come in and play a relaxed innings.

So all in all his "exploits" in England, were really nothing.

Now moving on to South Africa:

He scored 1 in the first innings and 56 in the second, at that snail pace of 33, so don't be picky and choosy and say it was match situation. Misbah and he were set and they should have continued on.

The next match I will give him a good solid century, but the follow up of 19 when you may have had a chance to win the match... Again, still no amazing innings he played to take his team to the brink. Most of these second innings especially have been putrid. Not overall, overall he has a pretty decent record in second innings, but of the instances you point to, he has been average at best.

I won't even go into the last match where he was a no show.

I will give him the last test in Dubai against SA because yes, he was the only one to show up there.

Overall he has never really had that key knock other than that final SA innings. When he is set and is needed to make a huge score for a chance at the win, he has **** the bed.

Not to mention the times when he has had a period of 8/10 scores being less than 20.

He's finding some consistency now, but the overrating of this player based on ability overshadows his inability to find consistency and not throw his wicket away.

Cricket is about one mistake. He makes one mistake and it costs him, especially in key situations most of the time.
 
feel for the people that have gone through this torture of a test match. So if Pakistan needs to chase down 250 @ 4 odd run rate in a test match on final day on this flat road they would rather play out the draw?Pakistan's cricket is still stuck there. Reason why we are a pathetic ODI side. No courage absolutely. Spineless display it's like surrendering without offering any fight.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Our attitude was fine in the test match only fielding was bad

Keep away the speculations
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our attitude in day the end of day 3,4,5 was anything but fine. Misbah completely surrendered after they reached 400. Its lucky we got sarfraz smashing a hundred quickly otherwise we would have been batting alot more overs and chasing alot more runs.

Match DRAWN!
 
Draw it is, the fact we played test with no openers meant that it was always going to be a struggle to win the test.

Both taufeeq and shan masood need to be dumped for the next test match.
 
Match Drawn, Fair Result, both teams were pretty evenly matched in this match

Good fightback by NZ
 
London_Lahori said:
We have not been looking to draw throughout the test, how does that make sense when we've been in the hunt throughout the test?
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check end of day 3,4,5./ I watched every ball and the shoulders dropped, negative capatincy came to play and day 4 and 5 were horror especially the start of day 5.
 
zabalestmsm said:
Sarfaraz had the intent of going for the win but Shafiq's approach changed his approach as well i guess :P
Anyways credit to Shafiq for his solid innings!
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1 more wicket and our clueless tail will be exposed. He is doing the right thing, game was gone after Younis khan's dismissal.


Azhar's approach set the tone here.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Draw it is, the fact we played test with no openers meant that it was always going to be a struggle to win the test.

Both taufeeq and shan masood need to be dumped for the next test match.
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Biggest reason for this Draw are our openers...

Contributed almost nothing
 
Shafiq must be held accountable for his performance in this Test. No excuses.
 
Considering we lost toss and went with two openers who for most part didn't have a clue I think this is a decent result.
 
Some people must be so excited to NOT LOSE. Have fun now you and Misbah..:)
 
Mamoon said:
Shafiq must be held accountable for his performance in this Test. No excuses.
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Even Mamoon, a big Shafiq fan, sees that he has had so many opportunities to really take the mantle and be the guy, such as the first innings, and he made a mistake costing himself and the team.

Had he played as he is capable of playing, Pakistan could have reached 500-600, I mean wickets like this....

Southee to Asad Shafiq, OUT, he is gone! What a waste! New Zealand have a late wicket. He survived a chance earlier but this time there is no reprieve. It was a length delivery outside off and Asad pushed at it away from the body only to edge it to Taylor at first slip. He falls six short of a fifty
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I just don't get this theory of batting out a draw when there is a possibility of a win. Absolutely hateful.
 
London_Lahori said:
Day 4 was our day.
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Day 4 was even day dominated at the start by NZ and at the end by us yet we can have our days even with dropped shoulders and negative mind set. sarfraz really changed the tone that day with yasir taking quick strikes.

Lets hope for a better result in the third test.
 
steelo green said:
Even Mamoon, a big Shafiq fan, sees that he has had so many opportunities to really take the mantle and be the guy, such as the first innings, and he made a mistake costing himself and the team.

Had he played as he is capable of playing, Pakistan could have reached 500-600, I mean wickets like this....
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when he was needed to tuk tuk he was bringing AB out of him and playing hack shots like it's an ODI but when he was needed to play at a better RR he was tuk tukking to make Azhar ALi look Viv. He will never be a match winner mark my words. Guy can't play according to match situation. yes his shots look good but he is quite frankly a very limited player. Don't have high expectations from him.
 
steelo green said:
Even Mamoon, a big Shafiq fan, sees that he has had so many opportunities to really take the mantle and be the guy, such as the first innings, and he made a mistake costing himself and the team.

Had he played as he is capable of playing, Pakistan could have reached 500-600, I mean wickets like this....
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How about Misbah trying to break or equal his record of fastest test century today when such an innings was actually required?
 
steelo green said:
Even Mamoon, a big Shafiq fan, sees that he has had so many opportunities to really take the mantle and be the guy, such as the first innings, and he made a mistake costing himself and the team.

Had he played as he is capable of playing, Pakistan could have reached 500-600, I mean wickets like this....
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His approach in the first innings was questionable. The stage was set for him and his dismissal is what costed us the match in my opinion. Any significant lead here of 50-60 and we would have won this game.
 
MRSN said:
when he was needed to tuk tuk he was bringing AB out of him and playing hack shots like it's an ODI but when he was needed to play at a better RR he was tuk tukking to make Azhar ALi look Viv. He will never be a match winner mark my words. Guy can't play according to match situation. yes his shots look good but he is quite frankly a very limited player. Don't have high expectations from him.
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The tuk tuk play orders come from the captain Sherlock.

Misbah n Waqar make the strategy to win or draw and then make the players play accordingly.
 
FreeBird said:
How about Misbah trying to break or equal his record of fastest test century today when such an innings was actually required?
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I love association based on nothing.

I am talking of Shafiq, so let's stick to Shafiq.

I could rant all day about Misbah, but this pathetic posting where one criticizes X player and instead of responding to the criticism, deflects to Y player is annoying.

Stick to the topic.
 
OZGOD said:
You better pray you win the toss. I don't think you can win the next match unless you win the toss. If you win the toss you have a great chance. Had you batted a bit better, and bowled a bit better, you could have easily won this Test.
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WHAT? This is all news to me, because if so and so had played and so and so hadn't dropped a catch this Test would have been won by Pakistan yesterday :afaq
 
Idk, tempted to bring in both Wagner and Bracewell for the next Test.

The spinners offered absolutely nothing.
 
Aman said:
Idk, tempted to bring in both Wagner and Bracewell for the next Test.

The spinners offered absolutely nothing.
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Is Craig in as a specialist offie?Even Nathan McCullum looks better to me
 
Saurav said:
Is Craig in as a specialist offie?Even Nathan McCullum looks better to me
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Problem with dropping Craig is he can bat. Tbh I would drop Neesham for Wagner and maybe consider bringing in Bracewell for either Ish or Craig. We need 20 wickets to win, so we can afford to weaken the batting a bit.
 
Bad MOM: Sarfraz century was better than Taylors and much vital in the context of the match
 
hur rizvi said:
Bad MOM: Sarfraz century was better than Taylors and much vital in the context of the match
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Taylor's saved the game for us after we found ourselves in trouble, a genuine back to the wall knock.
 
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Aman said:
Problem with dropping Craig is he can bat. Tbh I would drop Neesham for Wagner and maybe consider bringing in Bracewell for either Ish or Craig. We need 20 wickets to win, so we can afford to weaken the batting a bit.
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Sodhi looks good enough for me.

Wagner for Neesham is good to me.Not sure about Bracewell

btw why is Nathan McCullum not even on radar for Tests?
 
Saurav said:
Sodhi looks good enough for me.

Wagner for Neesham is good to me.Not sure about Bracewell

btw why is Nathan McCullum not even on radar for Tests?
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He's seen as a LO's specialist I guess, he struggles to pick up wickets there so I can just imagine how he'll go in Tests
 
Aman said:
Taylor's saved the game for us after we found ourselves in trouble, a genuine back to the wall knock.
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If Sarfraz hadn't played that innings it would have been an easy win, and Sarfraz played an almost chanceless innings

Much better innings than Taylor in my opinion
 
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