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Pakistan vs England | 2nd Test | Dubai | Oct 22-26 | Day 3

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Let's see what shaday Tali (Rashid) has to offer. Pakistanis will be more careful against him.

His pace has to be up and sustained at 85-90 kph to be effective.


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Professor has all the shots in the books. Easily the most good-looking batsman in the team.
 
axl100mph said:
so? even at this age he struggles to time the ball.
we saw his calibre against pace in the first innings where he was stuck on 80 for ages n could do nothing once the momentum went against him.
no matter how bad younis is, had he been in that situation, he would hv still completed his hundred
younis still gets more leverage coz of his height n has a stronger botom hand.
shafiq can only defend n pick singles, that too on these tracks.
overseas, he would go nowhere with such style of play
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Asad will score more runs overseas just like he scored more than Younis in SA in 2013.

Asad isn't a good timer of the ball but he has good discipline. Younis fished outside the off-stump very often.
 
Yes yes, Cook, another spinner is what you need. :ksi

Horrible captaincy. Proof that sometimes too many options is not necessarily a good thing.

And as I type this, Hafeez slog sweeps one into the stands. :))
 
Anchorman said:
Doesn't matter what Shehzad "enjoys" more. We saw how impeccable he was and how much he enjoyed pace during the WC.
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he doesnt get fazed by the pace as can be seen how he pulls n hooks.
what he struggles with is seam movt as he has static feet.
we saw that in all his failed innings there.
however compared to the gentlemen on show today, he is a huge improvement as he has the ability to dominate the short ball
 
Good spell this for Pakistan, momentum back with us after that shaky start. Hafeez and Younis milking the spinners well and now way out in front with a 200+ lead. England's heads are dropping and have used 7 bowlers in just 19 overs.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Id have him over yasir tho because of his "variety"
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I love how so many people were calling for him to be first choice spinner for England, I swear some people hear "leg-spin" and automatically assume that means he's a good bowler.
 
axl100mph said:
so? even at this age he struggles to time the ball.
we saw his calibre against pace in the first innings where he was stuck on 80 for ages n could do nothing once the momentum went against him.
no matter how bad younis is, had he been in that situation, he would hv still completed his hundred
younis still gets more leverage coz of his height n has a stronger botom hand.
shafiq can only defend n pick singles, that too on these tracks.
overseas, he would go nowhere with such style of play
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Shafiq lacks the power game against any bowler.

If he cannot stroke the ball hard at this age, there is no doubt he will continue like this.

Will almost always be a good test bat, without scoring well on the ODI's
 
Anchorman said:
Yes yes, Cook, another spinner is what you need. :ksi

Horrible captaincy. Proof that sometimes too many options is not necessarily a good thing.

And as I type this, Hafeez slog sweeps one into the stands. :))
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Yeah, his captaincy is really poor.

Quite defensive and protecting his main bowlers.
 
Hafeez has dominated NZ and England, so there goes the 'he is a tailender against good bowling even on flat wickets' argument.
 
Mamoon said:
Asad will score more runs overseas just like he scored more than Younis in SA in 2013.

Asad isn't a good timer of the ball but he has good discipline. Younis fished outside the off-stump very often.
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i would back :uakmal to score more than him despiite all his brainfarts
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez is a treat to watch.
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Very underappreciated. Consider the dross we had opening in the past, yes Hafeez has his flaws but people shouldn't put him in the same category as so many of the other failures we've tried at the top of the order. When he gets going there aren't many better in this team to watch, certainly from an aesthetic POV.

Class is in session for the Professor.
 
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So what was the impact of Mahela on English batsmen??

Cook and Root didn't need any help, rest had no impact. So was that money well spend ?[emoji8][emoji8]


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Mamoon said:
Hafeez has dominated NZ and England, so there goes the 'he is a tailender against good bowling even on flat wickets' argument.
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I wonder where does that argument goes where you guys were declaring a TTF like Malik to be a better batsman than Hafeez.
 
axl100mph said:
so? even at this age he struggles to time the ball.
we saw his calibre against pace in the first innings where he was stuck on 80 for ages n could do nothing once the momentum went against him.
no matter how bad younis is, had he been in that situation, he would hv still completed his hundred
younis still gets more leverage coz of his height n has a stronger botom hand.
shafiq can only defend n pick singles, that too on these tracks.
overseas, he would go nowhere with such style of play
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Agree, the only thing Shafiq will be good at in foreign seaming conditions is giving slip fielders catching practice, if he couldn't score his 100 despite being in 80s for ages batting with the tail on these flat phatta tracks, how will he in England and NZ?
 
waleed88 said:
Shafiq lacks the power game against any bowler.

If he cannot stroke the ball hard at this age, there is no doubt he will continue like this.

Will almost always be a good test bat, without scoring well on the ODI's
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in australia, unless u hv some sort od stroke making ability, u dont score much as u invariably will get a delivery with ur name on it sooner rather than later.
 
Will YK pass 9k runs today?

We can bat for like 1 and 3/4 days.

So one of these can get a double.
 
Markhor said:
Very underappreciated. Consider the dross we had opening in the past, yes Hafeez has his flaws but is far better than so many failures we've tried at the top of the order.

Class is in session for the Professor.
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Correct. He's far better than the overtly hyped youngsta beauties like Shehzad, Masood.

Not the best against the moving ball, but his batting has been on an upwards curve since an year or so.
 
axl100mph said:
he doesnt get fazed by the pace as can be seen how he pulls n hooks.
what he struggles with is seam movt as he has static feet.
we saw that in all his failed innings there.
however compared to the gentlemen on show today, he is a huge improvement as he has the ability to dominate the short ball
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How you pull and hook is not the only measure of your ability against pace. Pitches in the WC were as flat as they could be and just had some bounce. We all saw how Ahmed performed there.

He may be able to dominate pace better than the gentlemen on show today in these conditions but he is also much less likely to survive against a good spell than these players are as well. We're talking about overseas tours and I'd much rather have the likes of Azhar/Younus/Asad/Haris in my team to play pace than Shehzad.
 
Hawkeye said:
I wonder where does that argument goes where you guys were declaring a TTF like Malik to be a better batsman than Hafeez.
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Malik is a better middle-order batsman than Hafeez with more mental strength. Hafeez is a very good timer of the ball and can make good use of the new ball unless its swinging and seaming.

I'd take Malik over Hafeez in the middle-order any time. Rotates the strike much better and can construct a run chase.
 
YK sweeps not only reflects his class but also his fitness, how much he can stretch is amazing at this age. He will keep doing that all day [emoji108][emoji108][emoji108]


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aliasad1998 said:
Tbh theres no one in the world id have at the crease when theres sharp turn and spin other than younis khan. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] will agree with me i think
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Because he plays the spin proper way, like the old Indians - uses his feet, uses his wrist, plays positively & most importantly plays on merit, never predetermined. If you never put a rule that you can sweep only once in an over, most of the English players 'll stop touring Asia.

YK to get a hundred - let's see, playing awesome for his 24, better than Misbah 2 days back, when I thought he 'll get a hundred.
 
Its been a long time, since ive seen an off-spinner wearing a short-sleeved shirt. That is also something the chucking army can take credit for.
 
Mamoon said:
Malik is a better middle-order batsman than Hafeez with more mental strength. Hafeez is a very good timer of the ball and can make good use of the new ball unless its swinging and seaming.

I'd take Malik over Hafeez in the middle-order any time. Rotates the strike much better and can construct a run chase.
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They shouldn't be compared as one is a top 3 batsmen and the other should be batting at 5/6/7.

Also :fifty for Hafeez! :14:
 
"looks set for a lot more" -> Catching practice next ball
 
Critical Analyst said:
Agree, the only thing Shafiq will be good at in foreign seaming conditions is giving slip fielders catching practice, if he couldn't score his 100 despite being in 80s for ages batting with the tail on these flat phatta tracks, how will he in England and NZ?
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How did he manage to be one of our better Test batsmen when we toured SA 3 years ago then?
 
Bazid khan : "hafeez looks set for a big one". Next ball edges it to slip. Commentators curse doesnt get more obvious than that folks
 
Hafeez gets to 50 and gets out, poor shot! throws it away again!
 
See seamers we cannot play :facepalm:


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Poor from Hafeez. Should've carried on and got a big one but got over-confident.
 
Bullet Drive said:
In future our top 3 should be:

Babar, Azhar & Haris as top 3 for future?
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You can't tell that - still Malik is hobbling between Bradman & Viv - after 1ts Test, his average was 123, which was better than Bradman, after 2nd Test 64, still better than Viv .............. such mercurial talent should never be wasted at 6 (or for carrying drinks in Tests outside Asia).
 
Doesn't matter, he's done the damage. Pakistan effectively 219-3 so in a very strong position. Just need to keep going and get a lead of 350+ which surely will be enough.
 
All our top three back in hutch in first 20 overs, that to in UAE. Not looking forward to test cricket in next 18 months [emoji27][emoji27][emoji27]


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axl100mph said:
can u care to share that how many tests did he play on these benign uae tracks which have made asad equal sobers?
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That's not my point axl bhai...

My point is that even though he could probably score 40-50's on any track in the world knowing his record in England-NZ-West Indies, doesn't mean he could have the temperament to get 100's.
 
yasir said:
All our top three back in hutch in first 20 overs, that to in UAE. Not looking forward to test cricket in next 18 months [emoji27][emoji27][emoji27]


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Relax, it's 219-3 tehnically
 
malik experiment has failed badly after the first innings. We need 300 to defend against the poms, 350 to be safe.
 
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