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'Pakistan will respond to uncalled-for Indian aggression at time, place of its choosing'- S Qureishi -
Pak retaliates (update post 44)


Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Tuesday asserted that Pakistan is a peaceful country but understands the importance of protecting its borders, as he outlined the government's response and future course of action in the wake of the Indian Air Force's (IAF) violation of the Line of Control (LoC).

Qureshi made these remarks at a joint press conference in Islamabad alongside Finance Minister Asad Umar and Defence Minister Pervez Khattak.

The foreign minister started the press conference by reading out a statement of the National Security Committee (NSC), which was convened by Prime Minister Imran Khan earlier in the day.

The committee, Qureshi said, "strongly rejected Indian claim of targeting an alleged terrorist camp near Balakot as well as the claim of heavy casualties".

Pakistan's course of action
Engage with global leadership 'to expose irresponsible Indian policy'
Local, international media to be taken to the site of Indian violation
PM summons special meeting of the National Command Authority (NCA) tomorrow
Armed forces to remain prepared for all eventualities


"Once again Indian government has resorted to a self-serving, reckless and fictitious claim," the statement said. "This action has been done for domestic consumption being in election environment, putting regional peace and stability at grave risk.

"The claimed area of strike is open for the world to see the facts on ground. For this domestic and international media is being taken to the impact site. Forum concluded that India has committed uncalled for aggression to which Pakistan shall respond at the time and place of its choosing."

The prime minister, as per the NSC statement, has directed that elements of national power — including the armed forces — and the people of Pakistan remain prepared for all eventualities.

"He [Prime Minister Khan] decided to engage with global leadership to expose irresponsible Indian policy in the region," the statement reads.

The prime minister also "appreciated timely and effective response of the Pakistan Air Force to repulse Indian attempt without any loss of life or property".

PM in touch with global leaders
Qureshi announced that "a three-member committee has been formed, including me, finance minister and defence minister to approach the parliament, and so that the people of Pakistan can be taken into confidence on the evolving situation".

He added that helicopters were at the ready to take local and international media to the site of the Indian violation. "The helicopters are ready. If the weather permits, then they will be taken there so they could inspect themselves and expose the Indian propaganda [...] the story being presented is different from the facts."

"It has been decided that international leadership will be engaged with through the foreign office and prime minister. At the request of Pakistan, there is an OIC (Organisation of Islamic Cooperation) conflict group emergency meeting underway [in Jeddah], and Tehmina Janjua is representing Pakistan there. We will present Pakistan's point of view at that forum."

The foreign minister said that Prime Minister Imran Khan has also had telephonic conversations with UAE Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan as well as Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman over the issue.

"I also took British and Chinese foreign ministers into confidence because I knew a trilateral meeting is about to take place in Beijing between India, China and Russia," Qureshi said. "I wanted to present the facts to them."

Speaking on India’s External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj being invited to address the Inaugural Plenary of the 46th Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the OIC, Qureshi said: "Today, the situation has changed. Aggression has been done against a founding member of the OIC, the Muslims in India are in fear, and Kashmiris are being targeted.

"That incident [on February 14] took place in Pulwama but the reaction was seen across all states of India. Students have had to hide and save their lives. In New Delhi, there have been attacks on youth. A Muslim journalist who had no relation to Pulwama was attacked and beaten [because] he was a Kashmiri."

"Keeping this situation in mind we need to reevaluate, and we need to brief the parliament. Whatever the facts are, aside from the foreign office, the DG military operations and deputy chief of air staff will together take them into confidence and inform them about the exact situation. It is our responsibility and obligation to inform the people of Pakistan."

Ministers praise timely action of Pakistan Air Force.

Khattak, the defence minister, in reply to a question said that the PAF was "ready" [for the Indian aircraft] and "gave a clear indication to [India] that if such an action is repeated, a clear response will be given".

"Pakistan Air Force was already airborne and we were ready for all eventualities," Qureshi said, adding the neighbouring country's planes left within three minutes. "I don't want to go into details here but the timely action of Pakistan Air Force stopped them. They diverted the Indian jets, which went back because of the alertness of our Air Force."

The foreign minister asserted that "our planes were not late. We were fully ready and they [PAF] are always ready to face the challenge. Do not underestimate their ability. We have our own sense of timing. We will act, not react."

When asked if Indian violation could affect the Katarpur border crossing, Qureshi responded: "Kartarpur was a dream that Pakistan fulfilled. It had a message of peace that Pakistan gave. We opened the ways for Kartarpur not to shut them. Hopefully, Indian also open up their brains. They are closed [right now] because they are focused on politics."

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Khan, as per the NSC statement, has also summoned a special meeting of the National Command Authority (NCA) on Wednesday.

The NCA is the apex civilian-led command headed by the prime minister to oversee the policy formulation, exercises, deployment, research and development, and operational command and control of the country’s nuclear arsenals.

The NSC meeting was attended by Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Zubair Mahmood Hayat, Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan and other military and civilian officials, including cabinet members.

Qureshi summons emergency meeting

Earlier on Tuesday morning, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had summoned an emergency meeting at the Foreign Office in Islamabad to discuss the security situation with former secretaries and senior ambassadors, according to Radio Pakistan.

During the meeting, Qureshi said that Pakistan desires peace but India is deteriorating the regional situation, adding that Pakistan was moving forward while demonstrating the behaviour of a responsible state.

The foreign minister added that India is bent on disturbing peace in the region, and that the entire region stands with the Pakistan Army.

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In a statement following the LoC violation, Qureshi had warned India not to challenge Pakistan and said that better sense should prevail in Delhi, Radio Pakistan reported.

He said that Pakistan reserves the right to deliver an appropriate response and the right to self-defence.

The foreign minister said the nation should not be worried over the Indian act as the defenders of the country are fully prepared to respond to any misadventure.

Meanwhile, India's Cabinet Committee on Security met at Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s residence in Delhi, after which the country's foreign secretary issued a statement, claiming — without providing any evidence — that the Indian air force had "struck the biggest training camp of Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) in Balakot".

Find out more: India claims to have struck 'biggest training camp of JeM in Balakot'

Early on Tuesday, the Director General Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor confirmed that the IAF had "violated the LoC". He said that as Indian planes had intruded from Muzaffarabad, the Pakistan Air Force "immediately scrambled".

"Indian aircrafts' intrusion across LoC in Muzafarabad sector within Azad Jammu and Kashmir was three to four miles.Under forced hasty withdrawal, aircrafts released payload which had free fall in open area. No infrastructure got hit, no casualties," he added.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1466145/p...dian-aggression-at-time-place-of-its-choosing
 
Of course Pak will choose the place and time. They are not going to consult India and ask for permission:))
 
If there is no military response of any kind, doesn't matter how big or small, than we should just dismantle our armed forces stop wasting resources on them, recognize Kashmir as integral part of India and move towards a more peaceful and friendly relationship with our eastern neighbor.

This provocation by India from Pakistan's perspective is highly inappropriate and uncalled for since our narrative has been from day one that Pakistan was in no way directly involved in Pulwama incident.
 
Our attacks have always been much more powerful like Kargil! That is what you call a strike!
 
If there is no military response of any kind, doesn't matter how big or small, than we should just dismantle our armed forces stop wasting resources on them, recognize Kashmir as integral part of India and move towards a more peaceful and friendly relationship with our eastern neighbor.

This provocation by India from Pakistan's perspective is highly inappropriate and uncalled for since our narrative has been from day one that Pakistan was in no way directly involved in Pulwama incident.

Jiyo..

And forget about the oppression of our kashmiri brethren.. buhat ala!
 
The time for action was to not allow the Indian planes to go back of India unharmed. Everyone now knows that we are nothing but hot air and do not have the power to retaliate.

India would not have been able to do what they did in a country with strong defense.
 
The time for action was to not allow the Indian planes to go back of India unharmed. Everyone now knows that we are nothing but hot air and do not have the power to retaliate.

India would not have been able to do what they did in a country with strong defense.

You should be glad its hot air if you are living in Pakistan and India, if both parties start a full fledged War, then you as a civilian will know that War is more terrible for civilians then military especially if both nations are Nuclear armed.
 
The time for action was to not allow the Indian planes to go back of India unharmed. Everyone now knows that we are nothing but hot air and do not have the power to retaliate.

India would not have been able to do what they did in a country with strong defense.

What did India do? Did they attack any civilans or military posts, had they done that they would have been taken down. They just came and went. Now they will have to wait for Pak's reply. The waiting game is the Worst, because you don't know what the opposition will do.
 
What a nation. Controlled by an army which has no defence of its country, just subjugation of its own.
 
When we do something even the enemy accepts it. When they do such things after a while their Congress and many others laugh at it. Just wait and see how many Indian people themselves will laugh at 350 Pakistanis being killed.
 
You should be glad its hot air if you are living in Pakistan and India, if both parties start a full fledged War, then you as a civilian will know that War is more terrible for civilians then military especially if both nations are Nuclear armed.

I am not condoning war. If you would have followed my posts, I have repeatedly asserted that the solution to Kashmir conflict is dialogue and dialogue alone. However, our response to India invading our airspace does not tally with our tall claims.

We have been made to look very weak.
 
I am not condoning war. If you would have followed my posts, I have repeatedly asserted that the solution to Kashmir conflict is dialogue and dialogue alone. However, our response to India invading our airspace does not tally with our tall claims.

We have been made to look very weak.

If an Indian aircraft was shoot down today, then the egos of both Nation would have allowed the initiation of a full-fledged War and they would be realizing the mistake after millions die. That's how stupid we Humans are.
 
When we do something even the enemy accepts it. When they do such things after a while their Congress and many others laugh at it. Just wait and see how many Indian people themselves will laugh at 350 Pakistanis being killed.

The enemy accepts it because they are not insecure and cowardly like you.
The Congress laughs at it, because it's been done by BJP. Had the Congress itself has done it , I'm sure the BJP will laugh too .
It's basic politics. You should be knowing this. Saw a video of the pakistan parliament today and the opposition were shouting "shame shame". Does it mean that all pakistanis are laughing at your air force's shortcomings? Pretty sure no.
And believe me. No sane indian is going to laugh at this. That's for sure.
 
Guys, please debate in a civil and respectful manner. You are free to express your views but no personal, religious or racist attacks will be tolerated on this forum.

I hope that you all appreciate this request.
 
The enemy accepts it because they are not insecure and cowardly like you.
The Congress laughs at it, because it's been done by BJP. Had the Congress itself has done it , I'm sure the BJP will laugh too .
It's basic politics. You should be knowing this. Saw a video of the pakistan parliament today and the opposition were shouting "shame shame". Does it mean that all pakistanis are laughing at your air force's shortcomings? Pretty sure no.
And believe me. No sane indian is going to laugh at this. That's for sure.

My comment fur sure lit a fire under you!!!:))):))):))) We do admit our errors however your are not smart enough to separate fact from fiction. After all you people believe one man can bash up a zillion!! No the Congress deny it because they are not given any solid evidence other then dodgy pictures. Yes the ones shouting "shame" in Pak are Nawaz Sharif supporters, that is to be expected from them. The point is that Nawaz openly let the Americans bomb Pak which is why their beloved is in prison. Pak has never said it has attacked India without any solid evidence. Our Kargil war when we caught you off guard is accepted by both sides.
 
The time for action was to not allow the Indian planes to go back of India unharmed. Everyone now knows that we are nothing but hot air and do not have the power to retaliate.

India would not have been able to do what they did in a country with strong defense.

You are one crazy boy lol ... Russian planes fly to US territories Alaska all the time and just leave .. It takes some times to respond and always need patience not to escalate issue from these harmless flights.
 
Pakistan should (and will) wait for the Indian elections.

Until then, this nautanki is absurd and doesn't deserve Gov's focus.

Pakistan got important stuff to do. Simple as that.

PS: I heard ISI is sending pigeos brigade to spy across border :P
 
Pakistan should (and will) wait for the Indian elections.

Until then, this nautanki is absurd and doesn't deserve Gov's focus.

Pakistan got important stuff to do. Simple as that.

PS: I heard ISI is sending pigeos brigade to spy across border :P

I hope its only war of pigeons and camels. Real war will leave both sides with heavy loss of life.
 
Pakistan have to make sure that only PM and Army comments on this attack. Parvez Khattak sounded so stupid when he was talking about it was dark bla bla. What kind of rubbish is this?
 
The time for action was to not allow the Indian planes to go back of India unharmed. Everyone now knows that we are nothing but hot air and do not have the power to retaliate.

India would not have been able to do what they did in a country with strong defense.

Seriously man! Taking PAK down in cricket vs India is OK but this is a different thing all together. Dont you have any pride?

What exact did India do? Come and fly over PAK space and go back. The worst here is they claim to have killed 350. Any video of that?

You do know in Korea, USA, Russia etc planes fly over lots of times?

That in certain cases is routine.
 
Pakistan should (and will) wait for the Indian elections.

Until then, this nautanki is absurd and doesn't deserve Gov's focus.

Pakistan got important stuff to do. Simple as that.

PS: I heard ISI is sending pigeos brigade to spy across border :P

Pretty much. A BJP with 182 seats and its wings clipped instead of 284 as they are now is a much more different proposition. After all, that is the number that Vajpayee had and India - Pakistan relations were pleasant during his tenure, post Kargil.

But Modi needs to go for relations to warm up again. Even if he stays, he will realize that another poor election 5 years down the line would mean the end for him and his party.
 
Jiyo..

And forget about the oppression of our kashmiri brethren.. buhat ala!

Are you being sarcastic?

With which dignity and self-respect are we going to lend a helping hand towards our Kashmiri brethren when their oppressor was able to enter our house and we couldn't do anything in return besides spiting same old rhetoric? I am willing to forgive PAF and accept that the Indian may have done a quick one and there wasn't enough reaction time. You lose some battles and you win some. It is not necessary to win all the battles to win the war.

However, as I said earlier, if there is no military response from our armed forces then it is high time for us to stop the false pretense altogether. The military response doesn't have to be extravagant and immediate. Just a simple thing of us entering their airspace and dropping leaflets saying "Pakistan Zindabad" would be enough. They flexed their biceps and so must we especially since our PM and DG ISPR already warned them about any kind of aggression.

If not then it's time we stop our leaders from manipulating our emotions and sense of pride. I am willing to sacrifice 1000 years to help the oppressed brethren but time and time again we see our leaders and those in charge of us are not sincere over this issue and have been sucking up the nations resources without much to show for. When those in charge lack in sincerity than there is no point of me being a fool and bringing sacrifices upon sacrifices. Over the years the oppression of Kashmiris has only increased and our help towards them has only decreased. Stop emotionally blackmailing the nation when the generals with all the fancy toys are living lavishly and were never sincere in their approach.

After Pulwama I saw Musharraf, our once commander in chief, openly challenge and talk trash about the Indians, when he was the same general who not just allowed Indians to properly fence LoC but also banned and persecuted many Kashmir related organization in Pakistan. Who is he trying to fool with big words and big threats? Why should I continue be made a fool by people like him?

At one hand our leaders are not willing to openly own the Kashmiri militants and provide them with direct support, at the same time they want to continue milk the resources of the nation on the pretense of "helping oppressed Kahsmiri brethren." Our hostility towards India is due to Kashmir issue but if those in command aren't sincere in their approach we as nation must decide how long are we going to be made fools off.

We say indians are responsible for baloch insurgency, indians are behind TTP and other terrorist activities in Pakistan and now they have directly challenged our authority and the worth of our words. Those words will be worthless if all we can do is show them angry eyes and warn them not to do it again or else...
 
After Pulwama I saw Musharraf, our once commander in chief, openly challenge and talk trash about the Indians, when he was the same general who not just allowed Indians to properly fence LoC but also banned and persecuted many Kashmir related organization in Pakistan. Who is he trying to fool with big words and big threats? Why should I continue be made a fool by people like him?

Oh, Mushy's transgressions go way back if you're Pakistani, starting with the time when he was happy to throw 4000+ Pakistani soldiers under the bus in the snow capped peaks of Kargil, and rewarding himself with an uninterrupted 8-year reign of the country for his efforts.

At least at this stage you can claim that he's gone a bit senile. But not back then.
 
Are you being sarcastic?

With which dignity and self-respect are we going to lend a helping hand towards our Kashmiri brethren when their oppressor was able to enter our house and we couldn't do anything in return besides spiting same old rhetoric? I am willing to forgive PAF and accept that the Indian may have done a quick one and there wasn't enough reaction time. You lose some battles and you win some. It is not necessary to win all the battles to win the war.

However, as I said earlier, if there is no military response from our armed forces then it is high time for us to stop the false pretense altogether. The military response doesn't have to be extravagant and immediate. Just a simple thing of us entering their airspace and dropping leaflets saying "Pakistan Zindabad" would be enough. They flexed their biceps and so must we especially since our PM and DG ISPR already warned them about any kind of aggression.

If not then it's time we stop our leaders from manipulating our emotions and sense of pride. I am willing to sacrifice 1000 years to help the oppressed brethren but time and time again we see our leaders and those in charge of us are not sincere over this issue and have been sucking up the nations resources without much to show for. When those in charge lack in sincerity than there is no point of me being a fool and bringing sacrifices upon sacrifices. Over the years the oppression of Kashmiris has only increased and our help towards them has only decreased. Stop emotionally blackmailing the nation when the generals with all the fancy toys are living lavishly and were never sincere in their approach.

After Pulwama I saw Musharraf, our once commander in chief, openly challenge and talk trash about the Indians, when he was the same general who not just allowed Indians to properly fence LoC but also banned and persecuted many Kashmir related organization in Pakistan. Who is he trying to fool with big words and big threats? Why should I continue be made a fool by people like him?

At one hand our leaders are not willing to openly own the Kashmiri militants and provide them with direct support, at the same time they want to continue milk the resources of the nation on the pretense of "helping oppressed Kahsmiri brethren." Our hostility towards India is due to Kashmir issue but if those in command aren't sincere in their approach we as nation must decide how long are we going to be made fools off.

We say indians are responsible for baloch insurgency, indians are behind TTP and other terrorist activities in Pakistan and now they have directly challenged our authority and the worth of our words. Those words will be worthless if all we can do is show them angry eyes and warn them not to do it again or else...

POTW right here :)
 
Pakistan have to make sure that only PM and Army comments on this attack. Parvez Khattak sounded so stupid when he was talking about it was dark bla bla. What kind of rubbish is this?

The biggest rubbish he spouted was this

Khattak, the defence minister, in reply to a question said that the PAF was "ready" [for the Indian aircraft] and "gave a clear indication to [India] that if such an action is repeated, a clear response will be given".

O rly?! So like the last 99 times when we warned them doesn't count but surely the NEXT time we will respond?

With this line he lost all kind of respect and he is in charge of the nation's defense.

It's like drawing a line and daring the other person not to cross it, but the other person crosses it and instead of going through your warning you draw a new line dare him again and the whole thing repeats itself.
 
You are one crazy boy lol ... Russian planes fly to US territories Alaska all the time and just leave .. It takes some times to respond and always need patience not to escalate issue from these harmless flights.

A Russian plane was blown into pieces by Turkey few months back when they invaded their territory.

If Russia openly threatens the U.S. with war and then enters their territory, the planes will not fly back to Russia in one piece.
 
Seriously man! Taking PAK down in cricket vs India is OK but this is a different thing all together. Dont you have any pride?

What exact did India do? Come and fly over PAK space and go back. The worst here is they claim to have killed 350. Any video of that?

You do know in Korea, USA, Russia etc planes fly over lots of times?

That in certain cases is routine.

My pride has been hurt by our meek response. We should have shot the planes down and we must respond aggressively now.

The honor of the country is at stake.
 
My pride has been hurt by our meek response. We should have shot the planes down and we must respond aggressively now.

The honor of the country is at stake.

Agar tujhe itna honor pyara hai to, ja aor enlist ho infantry me.

Great majority of people lack basic stuff... like water, toilets, education for kids, hospitals and here youse are chanting honor.

Here is the list of people who'd benefit from a war between India/Pakistan: The Pakistan haters, the Indian haters, terrorists, Modi & his goons, weapon manufacturers and Nooras/Zardaris who're about to get owned by big old papa hammer of justice

By all means, Pakistan should declare war on poverty, ignorance and corruption 💪

India is a joke and one should ignore a joke :yk
 
Agar tujhe itna honor pyara hai to, ja aor enlist ho infantry me.

Great majority of people lack basic stuff... like water, toilets, education for kids, hospitals and here youse are chanting honor.

Here is the list of people who'd benefit from a war between India/Pakistan: The Pakistan haters, the Indian haters, terrorists, Modi & his goons, weapon manufacturers and Nooras/Zardaris who're about to get owned by big old papa hammer of justice

By all means, Pakistan should declare war on poverty, ignorance and corruption 💪

India is a joke and one should ignore a joke :yk

Why should I enlist in infantry? I am not a part of armed forces, and after all the money that we spend on our armed forces and all the big talk, if they still need the help of civilians, shame on them.
 
Agar tujhe itna honor pyara hai to, ja aor enlist ho infantry me.

Great majority of people lack basic stuff... like water, toilets, education for kids, hospitals and here youse are chanting honor.

Here is the list of people who'd benefit from a war between India/Pakistan: The Pakistan haters, the Indian haters, terrorists, Modi & his goons, weapon manufacturers and Nooras/Zardaris who're about to get owned by big old papa hammer of justice

By all means, Pakistan should declare war on poverty, ignorance and corruption ��

India is a joke and one should ignore a joke :yk

If their was a universal rule that the first type of people to fight should be war-mongers, then they will be the first one to ask for peace.
 
Why should I enlist in infantry? I am not a part of armed forces, and after all the money that we spend on our armed forces and all the big talk, if they still need the help of civilians, shame on them.

Bro, in modern warfare, civilians are the most effected.
 
Why should I enlist in infantry? I am not a part of armed forces, and after all the money that we spend on our armed forces and all the big talk, if they still need the help of civilians, shame on them.

Well, if you're advocating for full scale was against India then the army would need as many civilians enlisted as possible to level the playing field against a much larger enemy.
 
Well, if you're advocating for full scale was against India then the army would need as many civilians enlisted as possible to level the playing field against a much larger enemy.

In modern warfare, civilians will never level the playing field. No matter how great the number.

It is indeed true that the collective might of Indian Armed Forces is greater than Pakistan’s. However, Pakistan is fully capable of hurting India very badly.

India is obviously aware of it which is why they will never engage Pakistan to an extent where both countries will have to utilize their armed forces to 100% capacity.
 
In modern warfare, civilians will never level the playing field. No matter how great the number.

It is indeed true that the collective might of Indian Armed Forces is greater than Pakistan’s. However, Pakistan is fully capable of hurting India very badly.

India is obviously aware of it which is why they will never engage Pakistan to an extent where both countries will have to utilize their armed forces to 100% capacity.

It's not just about numbers is it though? Tactics, strategy etc will come into play. They could still be beaten even though they are larger than us.

Obviously it won't happen though, just hypothetically speaking here.
 
It's not just about numbers is it though? Tactics, strategy etc will come into play. They could still be beaten even though they are larger than us.

Obviously it won't happen though, just hypothetically speaking here.

Because of technology, the role of tactics and strategies are increasingly diminishing in modern warfare. Every movement of the enemy is tracked and there is very little room for blind spots.

You can catch countries off-guard when they are not ready and do not suspect an attack, but when both countries are in war-mode, it is almost impossible to outwit each other.
 
In modern warfare, civilians will never level the playing field. No matter how great the number.

It is indeed true that the collective might of Indian Armed Forces is greater than Pakistan’s. However, Pakistan is fully capable of hurting India very badly.

India is obviously aware of it which is why they will never engage Pakistan to an extent where both countries will have to utilize their armed forces to 100% capacity.

Of course civilians matter - if you antagonise a population like the US did in Afghanistan, the public will revolt and side with their own people (even if the outside perspective on them is the complete opposite). Similarly, in a state of war, when adrenaline is high, a fit, able-bodied civillian can definitely help out on the battlefield.
 
Realistically speaking, once war enters into the towns, street by street, then it is all about Gureilla war fare. The most powerful military in the world i.e. the US learnt the hard way no matter what technology in the world you have, no matter how much money in the world you have, soldiers get demoralized, frustrated and want out, it is no adventure, the effects stay with you for the rest of your life. Seeing your buddies, comrades killed, civilians killed has a life changing effect.

Gureilla war fare is a very bleeding exercise, the people being occupied have nothing left to lose, but the occupiers doo.
 
There is just so so much to loose for both countries specially for India that the thought of an atomic war is very scary. At the end of the day it would be India’s fault for playing with fire.
 
There is just so so much to loose for both countries specially for India that the thought of an atomic war is very scary. At the end of the day it would be India’s fault for playing with fire.

Hinduvta's are willing to lose 40-50% of India if it means Pakistan is destroyed if you go by what the indian propagandist have posted all over the web. Its sad but their society is totally in the hands of RSS and hindutva, they have propaganda machine running 24/7. Their situation is like if islamist extremists took over Pakistan and were calling the shots. All the things Pakistan is blamed for by them and International media, they are the ones doing hypocrisy at its finest "he who dealt it, smelt it".
 
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India boasts about its $417 billion Foreign Exchange reserves, watch it all dwindle away in no time if they do not keep their egos in check.
 
Of course civilians matter - if you antagonise a population like the US did in Afghanistan, the public will revolt and side with their own people (even if the outside perspective on them is the complete opposite). Similarly, in a state of war, when adrenaline is high, a fit, able-bodied civillian can definitely help out on the battlefield.

That is true when their is occupancy. Like in Afghanistan, Palestine and J&K. When a military takes over a country or a state, civil uprising can create a lot of problems.

However, in a conventional war on the field of battle, civilians are of little us in modern warfare and will be wiped out in no time. The end result will still be a defeat but with plenty of civilian casualties.
 
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