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Win your games and you don't have to rely on others.
What a mess this World Cup has been so far for Pakistan.
When the likes of Nawaz plays, that goes down a few spots.Bhai we are not number 1. Everyone knows these rankings are farce. We are probably number 4-5.
We are getting ahead of ourselves like India vs SA will go India's way.
Refer to this page and do the math. Before NZ-RSA game, it said NZ had faced 279 overs. Even though they faced only 35, it counts as 50. Hence it reflects 329 overs at the end of the game.Pak v NZ is first on Saturday
That’s why I ask. How many does Pakistan need or how quickly do they need those runs for Pak to go ahead of NZ on nrr?
We are getting ahead of ourselves like India vs SA will go India's way.
Yes, if Pak somehow made it to semis, then better to lose there than in final.India will not face SA in semi final. We will finish top of the group as no one can beat us in group stages.
Table topper will face 4th team which can only be Pakistan, Afghanistan or a certain team who intentionally opted to bowl first today without any unexplicable reason.
So yeah, I'd say focus on the game first. But if the team XI back themselves to try to post a big total up front, I'd definitely recommend that option! Though Pakistan has had more success chasing this tournament (we lost only 1 game while chasing vs Aus), they should take encouragement from watching other teams use scoreboard pressure to bundle sides out cheaply in the 2nd innings (SA v NZ, Ind v ENG, etc.)Just in case people are wondering..
Pak scores 300 and NZ scores 250 in reply: Pak +0.11, NZ +0.29
Pak scores 350 and NZ scores 250 in reply: Pak +0.24, NZ +0.16
NZ scores 250 and Pak chase in 38 overs: Pak +0.16, NZ +0.25
NZ scores 300 and Pak chase in 42 overs: Pak +0.10, NZ +0.31
Though the team should decide toss based on their assessment of the pitch/conditions/team's morale/plan, it's obvious that there's more NRR advantage to gain if you bat first and post a big total. This is especially true if you don't have the kind of line-up that can chase a score quickly - for example, if NZ post 300, we might not even win the game if we try to chase it in 40 overs.
Oh my.... I just googled and yes in fact there's a greater than 50% chance it will rain. Oh please, no! I hope the teams get a fair chance to play!is there a chance of rain?
Oh my.... I just googled and yes in fact there's a greater than 50% chance it will rain. Oh please, no! I hope the teams get a fair chance to play!
As if Pakistan understands rr lol. Only fakhar doesJust in case people are wondering..
Pak scores 300 and NZ scores 250 in reply: Pak +0.11, NZ +0.29
Pak scores 350 and NZ scores 250 in reply: Pak +0.24, NZ +0.16
NZ scores 250 and Pak chase in 38 overs: Pak +0.16, NZ +0.25
NZ scores 300 and Pak chase in 42 overs: Pak +0.10, NZ +0.31
Though the team should decide toss based on their assessment of the pitch/conditions/team's morale/plan, it's obvious that there's more NRR advantage to gain if you bat first and post a big total. This is especially true if you don't have the kind of line-up that can chase a score quickly - for example, if NZ post 300, we might not even win the game if we try to chase it in 40 overs.
Wouldn't be the first time. Remember the Pindi Test against Eng when the visitors were struck by food poisoning. We decided to be generous hosts and fielded 4 debutants. That's what led to the 506 on the first day..At this stage would take a 2 run victory over NZ as well, what if NZ have only 11 fit players yet we are unable to win against them
Win your games and you don't have to rely on others.
What a mess this World Cup has been so far for Pakistan.
We didn't lose to a minnow team (Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe) in that WC.It was an even messier mess when Pak actually won the World Cup in 1992.
Miracles brought us to the semi and final.
More posts like this required on this forum.Just in case people are wondering..
Pak scores 300 and NZ scores 250 in reply: Pak +0.11, NZ +0.29
Pak scores 350 and NZ scores 250 in reply: Pak +0.24, NZ +0.16
NZ scores 250 and Pak chase in 38 overs: Pak +0.16, NZ +0.25
NZ scores 300 and Pak chase in 42 overs: Pak +0.10, NZ +0.31
Though the team should decide toss based on their assessment of the pitch/conditions/team's morale/plan, it's obvious that there's more NRR advantage to gain if you bat first and post a big total. This is especially true if you don't have the kind of line-up that can chase a score quickly - for example, if NZ post 300, we might not even win the game if we try to chase it in 40 overs.
I read in one of the forums which highlighted the tactical side of NZ bowling first. They are confident of winning against SL and fancy their chances against India in semi final. If they were to be third in the points table, they would be facing AUS with less chance of winning.India will not face SA in semi final. We will finish top of the group as no one can beat us in group stages.
Table topper will face 4th team which can only be Pakistan, Afghanistan or a certain team who intentionally opted to bowl first today without any unexplicable reason.
This is a ridiculous theory , risking knockout to avoid AustraliaI read in one of the forums which highlighted the tactical side of NZ bowling first. They are confident of winning against SL and fancy their chances against India in semi final. If they were to be third in the points table, they would be facing AUS with less chance of winning.
Lol. So NZ would rather take the chance of not qualifying at all as opposed having to face Australia in the semis. As things stand, NZ can get knocked out even if they beat SL on NRR.I read in one of the forums which highlighted the tactical side of NZ bowling first. They are confident of winning against SL and fancy their chances against India in semi final. If they were to be third in the points table, they would be facing AUS with less chance of winning.
England are due couple of wins. They aren't a bad team, just playing bad cricket, similar to Pakistan couple of games ago.England is not waking up to anything. They should finish dead last.
England are due couple of wins. They aren't a bad team, just playing bad cricket, similar to Pakistan couple of games ago.
Even if it rains there is still a very good chance of shortened match in BLR. Chinnaswamy has probably the best drainage system of all the stadiums in india. In shortened game Pak has a better chance as they are a much better T20 team. So dream onIf we are knocked out because of rain just like in 2019, it would be too much of a heartbreak to bear
Hopefully rain doesn't play spoil-sport on Saturday and we win InshAllah
If we win by 83 runs or more, we are going through. Our game against England is After NZ play SL, and would know the exact margin of defeat we would have to inflict on England to go through
Win by 85 runs margin or chase target within 35 overs will see Pakistan go above Newzealand on NRR.If NZ bowled out for 200 runs Pakistan roughly has to get in 39 overs as per my calculation. Soon someone will publish these details.
Just in case people are wondering..
Pak scores 300 and NZ scores 250 in reply: Pak +0.11, NZ +0.29
Pak scores 350 and NZ scores 250 in reply: Pak +0.24, NZ +0.16
NZ scores 250 and Pak chase in 38 overs: Pak +0.16, NZ +0.25
NZ scores 300 and Pak chase in 42 overs: Pak +0.10, NZ +0.31
Though the team should decide toss based on their assessment of the pitch/conditions/team's morale/plan, it's obvious that there's more NRR advantage to gain if you bat first and post a big total. This is especially true if you don't have the kind of line-up that can chase a score quickly - for example, if NZ post 300, we might not even win the game if we try to chase it in 40 overs.
I don't want to face nz in semis. Hope pak/ afg sneak in
Wrong. England has ct qualification at stakeWasim Akram on Pakistan vs England game:
“They (Pakistan) can only do one thing. They just have to win their games and then hope and pray that other teams provide favorable results. Because those things aren't in your control. If New Zealand loses by a big margin, again, that's not in Pakistan's control. They should focus on their cricket. The next two games, against big teams,”
“I'm scared of England because they are out. They are going to play fearless cricket. They have nothing to lose. They will be aggressive and will intend to spoil someone's party.”
india will crush slIf sl wins today, that's huge problem for pak. Sl remaining matches are with ban, nz.. They will easily defeat ban and for nz match if nz wins pak will be out and if sl wins then nnr comes into the equation.
So this match outcome is more important for pak than for India.
England is the biggest disappointment in this cup however you have to realise bairstow, Stokes, and Root haven't played since 2019, barely played,We haven't played as bad as England especially considering they are defending champions.
To early to think about stipulations in England game. Pakistan need to beat NZ 1st.Does anyone know what the scenarios would be if Pakistan was to win in regards to what they would then need in the England game ? Or is it too early for those yet
Exactly , but still not there yet.. Bowling Haris rauf in PP for no reason... He gets hammered in his first over for boundaries for fun , as he bowls outside off or bouncer with the field restrictions getting spanked all over the park..Pakistan had literally no game plan till AFG game, after that game the hue and cry and harakiri in media made Mickey and Co. work day and night to devise a strategy and they inducted Wasim in the side yet we lost by 1 wicket albeit an unlucky lbw decision, a stitch in time save nine if and if only we've had woken up earlier
Its India thats too hot, seems SRL have a mental block after the drubbing of 50 all out in Asia cup..With SL playing they way they are, we will really have to thrash NZ
They should have taken Roy instead of Brook and play Malan at 3 and Root at 4 , should have gone with experience...England is the biggest disappointment in this cup however you have to realise bairstow, Stokes, and Root haven't played since 2019, barely played,
Their all at the end of their rope and have no experience in a nutshell.
Malan and butler not kicking off is a suprise though, since malan for me is medicore but I didn't expect him to fail so miserably needed one good game and I didn't expect Butler to be like this.
New Zealand will play at the same stadium against LankaAs the match is in the Chinnaswamy Stadium, with the dimensions and the pitch, wont a big score be more than likely rather than a 250-300, as a smaller stadium is more beneficial for NRR? So chases of around 300-350 more likely.
No. If PAK qualifies they'll be in Calcutta. Even if they're facing India.If pak does quality by chance, they'll be facing India at Mumbai ground that SL faced today xD.
I remember years ago when Hafeez was a mainstay at #3 but started to decline for the last time, we’d hear reports of him being too stubborn to move from the position.If Pakistan doesnt make it due to run rate then we all know who is to blame. We could have easily sent Ifti at number 3, but there is a certain gentleman who would not leave his favourite batting position even on gun point.
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That's ridiculous. India will most likely be 1st. SA will rank 2nd. AUS will rank 3rd.No. If PAK qualifies they'll be in Calcutta. Even if they're facing India.
If Pakistan doesn't make it - it will all come down to the slow innings from Babar against Afg where they ended 50-60 short. Came close to SA but that was 50-50.
Also, i think they failed to play 50 overs in more than couple of matches. That gives the NRR extra negative hit.
If pak does quality by chance, they'll be facing India at Mumbai ground that SL faced today xD.
We can see who's pace is best or batting for that matter.
But nz losing to pak and winning remaining match still means pak are out of wc.
I'd day 25% chance to qualify.
You have arrived at an incorrect conclusion. If Pakistan beats NZ by 83 runs or reached the target by 15 overs to spare, we are tied on points and our NRR will be better albeit slightly than NZ’s.If pak does quality by chance, they'll be facing India at Mumbai ground that SL faced today xD.
We can see who's pace is best or batting for that matter.
But nz losing to pak and winning remaining match still means pak are out of wc.
I'd day 25% chance to qualify.
That's being too hopeful.You have arrived at an incorrect conclusion. If Pakistan beats NZ by 83 runs or reached the target by 15 overs to spare, we are tied on points and our NRR will be better albeit slightly than NZ’s.
Then it becomes a shootout of who beats their opponents by a bigger margin. NZ vs SRL …. Pak vs Eng.
Going by how SRL’s current form NZ will fancy their chances of winning against them by a big margin if they lose to us. So we have a tough ask. But this is not all over if NZ win their last game after losing to us. In fact I am sure Pakistan are planning with that in view.
One positive is our game against Eng is last. So if we beat NZ and BZ beat SRL, we wi have a clear picture as to by what margin we need to beat England.
All this is of course depending on us beating NZ by 83 runs or finishing the game in 35 overs if chasing.
That's ridiculous. India will most likely be 1st. SA will rank 2nd. AUS will rank 3rd.
Semi matchups are 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd.
Only shot Pakistan has at semis is 4th spot which means they'll only be playing at Wankhede vs no.1 spot.
Now there's a chance that SA could go 1st by beating india. In any case, pak will only be playing at Mumbai ground if they reach semi. Either India or SA. I'd say worst of the lot.
Aus can easily crush BD so that's 10 points already and Their 3rd spot is most likely sealeRemaining fixtures for teams currently in 3rd to 6th place:
Australia - England, Afghanistan, Bangladesh
New Zealand - Pakistan, Sri Lanka
Pakistan - New Zealand, England
Afghanistan - Netherlands, Australia, South Africa
I really cannot see this Sri Lanka side beating New Zealand so that's at least 10 points for NZ.
Also I cannot see Pakistan beat Pakistan beat England and NZ.
It's not looking good.
How so, they can not score more than 10 points so they'll be forced to stick to 4th spot if they luckily qualify.Pakistan is not playing at Wankhede under any circumstances.
That's ridiculous. India will most likely be 1st. SA will rank 2nd. AUS will rank 3rd.
Semi matchups are 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd.
Only shot Pakistan has at semis is 4th spot which means they'll only be playing at Wankhede vs no.1 spot.
Now there's a chance that SA could go 1st by beating india. In any case, pak will only be playing at Mumbai ground if they reach semi. Either India or SA. I'd say worst of the lot.
Dude, If Pakistan plays at Wankede, I'll give you my cat.Aus can easily crush BD so that's 10 points already and Their 3rd spot is most likely seale
How so, they can not score more than 10 points so they'll be forced to stick to 4th spot if they luckily qualify.
That means they are destined for wankhede.
Semi venues are already decided and 1st and 4th spot teams will face the heat at Wankhede.
Anyway, Pak will thank their starts to qualify first then worry about ground.
Having good seamers is a blessing at Wankhede.
Ah darn it! I almost forgot why pak can't play in Mumbai. Yes they will not play in Mumbai.Pakistan is confirmed to play in Kolkata if they reach the semis due to security reasons.
It doesn't matter if they finish 1, 2, 3, or 4.
anything can happen in cricket!NZ is not losing to SL. Pak is out of this WC.
NZ is not losing to SL. Pak is out of this WC.
If the right Pakistan turns up, beating BZ would mean beating them by close to 83 runs if not more. NZ beating SRL or not is inconsequential if Pakistan go in with this mindset. Statistically speaking, it’s akistab’s fortune is in their hands. Win and win big against both teams and you are through. Don’t think about the result of NZ vs SRL.Pakistan just needs to focus on winning against NZ. A big win will make a real dent in the NRR.
Even if NZ wins against SL, if Sri Lanka keeps it close then Pakistan might have a shot at chasing the NRR win against England.
Anything can happen.
That’s all conjecture. I am just telling you a hard fact: NZ beating SRL is not curtains for Pakistan. NZ beating Pakistan would be. So let us wait for that to happen first.That's being too hopeful.
England being wounded tiger, will be be out of blood to avoid getting knocked out of champions trophy and there's decent chance that they'll crush pak if they bat first.
Pak must force Eng to bat 2nd for a good outcome.
Nz are having too many injuries and their star players are out of team so I would fancy pak in that contest but win by 83+ runs is also a very tough ask. Again this depends if pak can force nz to bat 2nd. They have horrible RR while batting 2nd.
100% .... you missed 1 and 0.What's the point of qualifying for the semi-final?
Pakistan's chances of beating India are 0%.
But Imran khan was our captain and miandad was in the squad, even though our team had part time bowlers like ijaz ahmed. Does Babar have that mental strength?It was an even messier mess when Pak actually won the World Cup in 1992.
Miracles brought us to the semi and final.