Pakistan's truce violations don't set tone for cricket, says Sushma Swaraj

[Abdullah719]

NEW DELHI: The prospects of a cricket series between India and Pakistan, even at a neutral venue, are dim with the government taking the view that a high incidence of cross-border firing violations by Pakistan do not provide a conducive atmosphere for the sporting exchange.

Foreign minister Sushma Swaraj indicated the government's thinking at a meeting of the consultative committee attached to the ministry that offered a review of relations with neighbours. Foreign secretary S Jaishankar was also present at the meeting.

Responding to a query whether restarting the long suspended cricket exchange could be an option for easing tensions between the two countries, Swaraj said there had been suggestions on humanitarian lines such as release of women and elderly detainees and prisoners. However, the high number of cross-border firings did not set the tone for engagements such as a cricket series.

The India-Pakistan cricket fixture has been off the international calendar for a while now and the poor state of bilateral ties do not seem to allow a change in stance as yet though the two nations continue to compete in international competitions where the teams play one another.

Pakistan has visited India twice without India playing the reciprocal series. In normal course, India and Pakistan would play at least one bilateral series and also smaller limited format engagements in case of smaller windows being available.

Swaraj is understood to have pointed out that there were over 800 cross-border violations this year. Though violence in Jammu and Kashmir has come down after the high it registered after security forces shot dead Hizbul leader Burhan Wani in 2016, relations remain unsettled.

The recent bad blood over the visit of Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav's wife and mother has only soured ties further. The two women who met Jadhav in the Pakistan foreign ministry office in Islamabad were treated in an insulting manner, being asked to remove their mangalsutras, bindis and bangles and also change their clothes. The meeting was closely controlled with Jadhav mouthing tutored lines of his alleged complicity in terror activities in Pakistan and his mother prevented from conversing with him in their native Marathi.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...t-says-sushma-swaraj/articleshow/62320107.cms

 

[hafeezrocks]

Same old excuses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Same old excuses.

We dont want to play. Zardasti hai kya.

 

[King-Misbah]

We dont want to play. Zardasti hai kya.

Some Pakistanis have no dignity. If India Don't want to play; it's fine with me! We will just beat your backsides in tournaments!

 

[English August]

Damn right. India will play Pak at its convenience, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Hypocrites. The worst of the worst.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] "We don't wanna play" to bhai hum bheeg mangtay hain kya tournaments main tumsay khelne k liye.

Pathetic statements

 

[Pakistanian]

We dont want to play. Zardasti hai kya.

Lol what do you for a living? I see you speak with a lot of authority as if you're part of the Indian govt, military, and cricket board

 

[PakLFC]

Don't know what SS is on about when Pak has not asked to play India for a long time. India should know that they can not use Cricket as a bargaining tool to get their way. We all know what happened the last time we played them I am fine even if we never play them again.

 

[Saeed]

Cricket series with India doesn’t even sound exciting anymore because it has been long time since we played them, the hype is simply not there. I am more excited about the upcoming series against New Zealand.

 

[English August]

Don't know what SS is on about when Pak has not asked to play India for a long time.

I don't which planet you live in, but do follow a certain Mr. Sethi if you'd like learn more about what Pak wants.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't which planet you live in, but do follow a certain Mr. Sethi if you'd like learn more about what Pak wants.

Sethi is a clown! I live on earth by the way! He speaks a lot of nonsense, I have not paid any attention to his recent comments. What I know is that he has said India owes us money for not fulfilling it's obligations. He has not recently said we are eager to play you. Welcome to earth!

 

[Syed1]

Damn right. India will play Pak at its convenience, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Well last time it was pretty convenient for us as well

 

[English August]

Well last time it was pretty convenient for us as well

You keep conflating result of a game with the process of playing the game itself. Perhaps it's too much to expect you to know that they are two different things?

This is a classic Pakistani problem. You don't have a set narrative to stand behind. One day you guys claim India is too scared to play Pak. But then there is this inconvenient fact that the two sides have played more than 150 times!

Then you talk about India avoiding the bilateral series. Conveniently forgetting that it was Pak which first avoided the bilateral series.

Then you talk about not bringing politics in sports, conveniently forgetting that it is Pakistan that has always done it.

You whine about not being invited to IPL, conveniently forgetting that your players did play in IPL 1 and it was your board that denied your players the NOC for IPL 2.

One day you want to brag about your last win again India and next day you complain that India isn't playing Pak. How can both things stand together?!

So what exactly is your narrative? Do you have one?

 

[Syed1]

You keep conflating result of a game with the process of playing the game itself. Perhaps it's too much to expect you to know that they are two different things?

This is a classic Pakistani problem. You don't have a set narrative to stand behind. One day you guys claim India is too scared to play Pak. But then there is this inconvenient fact that the two sides have played more than 150 times!

Then you talk about India avoiding the bilateral series. Conveniently forgetting that it was Pak which first avoided the bilateral series.

Then you talk about not bringing politics in sports, conveniently forgetting that it is Pakistan that has always done it.

You whine about not being invited to IPL, conveniently forgetting that your players did play in IPL 1 and it was your board that denied your players the NOC for IPL 2.

One day you want to brag about your last win again India and next day you complain that India isn't playing Pak. How can both things stand together?!

So what exactly is your narrative? Do you have one?

Save us the lecture and the rant.

We are ready to play you wherever and whenever, it is you that is lacking cajunas.

 

[ahmedzee]

“Don’t want to play cricket” but the rest of the sports are fine

 

[Poutine]

We dont want to play. Zardasti hai kya.

Why do you also say "we" like you represent the Indian government or have any say at all in what they do? Or are you actually a part of the government or the board?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol what do you for a living? I see you speak with a lot of authority as if you're part of the Indian govt, military, and cricket board

Read the OP.The External affairs Minister of India said we are not playing, she has the authority.

 

[cricketjoshila]

“Don’t want to play cricket” but the rest of the sports are fine

Can you tell me in which other sports India and Pakistan are playing bilateral series?

Heck Pakistani players are not allowed even in our kabbaddi and hockey leagues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why do you also say "we" like you represent the Indian government or have any say at all in what they do? Or are you actually a part of the government or the board?

The External affairs minister said we wont play.In past the sports minister has said the same.And these guys are elected representatives and represent Indians.Why is it so difficult to understand this?

BCCI officials have said the same thing.

Who else needs to say this?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hypocrites. The worst of the worst.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] "We don't wanna play" to bhai hum bheeg mangtay hain kya tournaments main tumsay khelne k liye.

Pathetic statements

How many times have PCB asked for a series with India?

ICC tournaments are not run by you, ICC decides the groups and everything.It has nothing to do with Pakistan.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

How many times have PCB asked for a series with India?

ICC tournaments are not run by you, ICC decides the groups and everything.It has nothing to do with Pakistan.

If you don't wanna play us cuz of cross border violence then don't play against us in ICC tournaments as well cuz of the same reason. Either go with national interest or go with business if you don't wanna be called a hypocrite. I think its fairly simple to understand, no?

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you don't wanna play us cuz of cross border violence then don't play against us in ICC tournaments as well cuz of the same reason. Either go with national interest or go with business if you don't wanna be called a hypocrite. I think its fairly simple to understand, no?

ICC tournaments are not your business.They are ICCs business and by extension the entire cricketing world.Why should we drag the rest if the world into our bilateral issue?

Secondly we will deal with Pakistan as we want to and not as you want us to.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

If you don't wanna play us cuz of cross border violence then don't play against us in ICC tournaments as well cuz of the same reason. Either go with national interest or go with business if you don't wanna be called a hypocrite. I think its fairly simple to understand, no?

Sir Indians that are killed by Pakistanis are only importent when we play series against india otherwise in ICC tournamenst those innocent Indian lives have no value.
That is the great Indian logic.

 

[English August]

Save us the lecture and the rant.

We are ready to play you wherever and whenever, it is you that is lacking cajunas.

LOL, so when your lies and hypocrisy get exposed point by point, it becomes a lecture and a rant?!!

People tend to resort to using abusive language when they don't have anything useful to say. Losers.

 

[the Great Khan]

You keep conflating result of a game with the process of playing the game itself. Perhaps it's too much to expect you to know that they are two different things?

This is a classic Pakistani problem. You don't have a set narrative to stand behind. One day you guys claim India is too scared to play Pak. But then there is this inconvenient fact that the two sides have played more than 150 times!

Then you talk about India avoiding the bilateral series. Conveniently forgetting that it was Pak which first avoided the bilateral series.

Then you talk about not bringing politics in sports, conveniently forgetting that it is Pakistan that has always done it.

You whine about not being invited to IPL, conveniently forgetting that your players did play in IPL 1 and it was your board that denied your players the NOC for IPL 2.

One day you want to brag about your last win again India and next day you complain that India isn't playing Pak. How can both things stand together?!

So what exactly is your narrative? Do you have one?

Yes the narrative is simple. We are prepared to play you anywhere anytime and want to use cricket toe ase tensions.

You have refused so we know what your narrative is.

 

[English August]

Yes the narrative is simple. We are prepared to play you anywhere anytime and want to use cricket toe ase tensions.

Really? So why did you refuse to tour India in the early 1990s? Why did you deny your players NOC to participate in IPL 2?

 

[Syed1]

LOL, so when your lies and hypocrisy get exposed point by point, it becomes a lecture and a rant?!!

People tend to resort to using abusive language when they don't have anything useful to say. Losers.

What lies and deceit? You have no point.


Pakistan is ready to play whenever and wherever because we are not childish cry babies like you guys. Infact crying is your national past time.

Before calling others loser make sure you know what yourself our. Its not us that are posting on an enemy nation's forum day in and out.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

ICC tournaments are not your business.They are ICCs business and by extension the entire cricketing world.Why should we drag the rest if the world into our bilateral issue?

Secondly we will deal with Pakistan as we want to and not as you want us to.

Again no one's dragging anyone into our issues. A World Cup can exist without IND vs PAK, no? But you also love THE ONLY statistically superior record of yours (THAT streak) and also don't wanna risk your "business"/points, therefore playing PAK in all ICC tournaments while shamelessly refusing to tour because of - and its getting predictable now - HYPOCRISY

 

[the Great Khan]

Really? So why did you refuse to tour India in the early 1990s? Why did you deny your players NOC to participate in IPL 2?

what year is this? is this the new modern india? stuck in the 1990's? what is the current pakistani narrative. It is as stated above. Stop deflecting attention from the important point. That being the government of India doesnt want peace with Pakistan and is actively looking to harm it through economic cultural and strategic means. End of.

 

[English August]

What lies and deceit? You have no point.

I made my points clearly in my post. You may want to re-read.

 

[big_gamer007]

what year is this? is this the new modern india? stuck in the 1990's? what is the current pakistani narrative. It is as stated above. Stop deflecting attention from the important point. That being the government of India doesnt want peace with Pakistan and is actively looking to harm it through economic cultural and strategic means. End of.

Two way street, neither does Pakistani army want peace with India.. War is a business even western powers will not want India and Pakistan to become friends billions of dollars worth weapons are being bought by both countries...

 

[English August]

what year is this? is this the new modern india? stuck in the 1990's? what is the current pakistani narrative. It is as stated above. Stop deflecting attention from the important point. That being the government of India doesnt want peace with Pakistan and is actively looking to harm it through economic cultural and strategic means. End of.

Oh, so now you don't like 1990s because it falsifies your narrative? People and nations tend to have long memories. And not everyone was born yesterday (like some people ...

And how old in IPL 2? Why did you not respond to that point? Or was it way too inconvenient for you and your narrative? Why did your board refuse NOC to Pak players? Let's have a straight answer.

 

[the Great Khan]

Two way street, neither does Pakistani army want peace with India.. War is a business even western powers will not want India and Pakistan to become friends billions of dollars worth weapons are being bought by both countries...

Pakistans military budget is 9 billion dollars. How much is the indian budget? Our budget has actually been reduced in recent years so your assertion is simply inaccurate. The army will always be respected in Pakistan and will always have a place due to CPEC and the need to protect our newly expanded EEZ. So this old broken Indian record needs to be shelved. 75% of your forces are Pakistan centric and your their force posture is towards our border.

 

[the Great Khan]

Oh, so now you don't like 1990s because it falsifies your narrative? People and nations tend to have long memories. And not everyone was born yesterday (like some people ...

And how old in IPL 2? Why did you not respond to that point? Or was it way too inconvenient for you and your narrative? Why did your board refuse NOC to Pak players? Let's have a straight answer.

IPL 2 was nearly a decade ago. The 1990's were over twenty five years ago. are you going to go back to the sixties next?

stop clutching at straws and tell us why your government wont allow peaceful relations to begin through renewed cultural and sporting contacts? Why?

 

[big_gamer007]

Pakistans military budget is 9 billion dollars. How much is the indian budget? Our budget has actually been reduced in recent years so your assertion is simply inaccurate. The army will always be respected in Pakistan and will always have a place due to CPEC and the need to protect our newly expanded EEZ. So this old broken Indian record needs to be shelved. 75% of your forces are Pakistan centric and your their force posture is towards our border.

lmao and you think Indians are delusionaled.. You can chose to believe what you want if you believe Indian government is only responsible and Pakistani army is pious and only wants peace that is upto you.. You are same as the Indian nationals who think all troubles in world are created by Pakistan and Indian government is pious..

 

[English August]

IPL 2 was nearly a decade ago. The 1990's were over twenty five years ago. are you going to go back to the sixties next?

stop clutching at straws and tell us why your government wont allow peaceful relations to begin through renewed cultural and sporting contacts? Why?

I can go back 70 years ago when the two countries won their independence. Is there a problem with that? I don't see any problem. You're reluctant to look at examples from the past because that falsifies your hypocritical narrative. I have no problem going back.

As for your second question -- it should be clear enough to anyone paying attention. India has said Pak needs to demonstrate its seriousness in trying to fix the problem by taking specific actions to contain terrorism. Bring the perpetrators of Mumbai terrorist attack to justice for starters. Instead you are giving hero's treatment to the chief mastermind Hafeez Saeed (the future PM of Pak).

That's how serious you are about trying to establish peaceful relationship. And then you want to play bilateral cricket! The mind boggles.

PS. Now you'll say the Mumbai massacre happened 10 years ago, so let's move on. You think mindless killing of 160 innocent people is clutching at straws?

 

[Varun]

I hadn't clicked on this thread until now and I haven't been disappointed at the usual braying between the two sides.

 

[English August]

I hadn't clicked on this thread until now and I haven't been disappointed at the usual braying between the two sides.

Come and join the fun! It's a rather cold NYC afternoon and there is not much else to do.

 

[BaankeJi]

I can go back 70 years ago when the two countries won their independence. Is there a problem with that? I don't see any problem. You're reluctant to look at examples from the past because that falsifies your hypocritical narrative. I have no problem going back.

As for your second question -- it should be clear enough to anyone paying attention. India has said Pak needs to demonstrate its seriousness in trying to fix the problem by taking specific actions to contain terrorism. Bring the perpetrators of Mumbai terrorist attack to justice for starters. Instead you are giving hero's treatment to the chief mastermind Hafeez Saeed (the future PM of Pak).

That's how serious you are about trying to establish peaceful relationship. And then you want to play bilateral cricket! The mind boggles.

PS. Now you'll say the Mumbai massacre happened 10 years ago, so let's move on. You think mindless killing of 160 innocent people is clutching at straws?

Imprisoning Hafiz Saeed is the least Pakistan should do. His coming out of prison has not helped Pakistan's reputation at all.

 

[Varun]

Come and join the fun! It's a rather cold NYC afternoon and there is not much else to do.

I'll pass. I don't think I have the intensity to go at it unlike many others.

 

[Markhor]

PCB need to stop begging - the only way we're going to see series between India and Pakistan if government relations improve. This is out of Sethi's and even BCCI's hands. Clearly judging from these comments, relations aren't improving any time soon.

 

[MenInG]

Shoaib Akhtar and Ramiz Raja strike back....


Shoaib Akhtar :

"This is a sad situation that almost 2 billion people together in both countries cannot take benefit from each other"

"So much revenue can be generated with trade as well as cricket but its not happening, so what else can one say about it?"

"If they don't want to play, then India should not make such statements"

"Its a loss for both sides and also for youngsters of both countries"

"Understand this that if India plays with Pakistan, then revenues from brodacasting rights go skyrocketing for India"

"As far as Indian cricketers and people are concerned, they all are in favour of playing with Pakistan"

"They do not have voice so now the people of both sides should react and express their views on social media [in favour]"

"They should ask why is it that we cannot play, why cannot we trade, why cannot we establish relations with each other"

"I am sick of us playing cricket with India with such large gaps in between where no cricket is played"

"We know that they have the money and rights to run cricket but its not on that they can say when they feel like it that they dont want to play cricket with Pakistan; this is not how its done"

"Virat K came over to the Pakistan team at end of CT17 and congratulated them for winning and playing better"

Ramiz Raja

"Indian govt is trying to erase history whether its about cricket, about Muslims or about Moghuls"

 

[MenInG]

My personal advice to Ramiz after above statement is to not apply for any comm positions in India!

 

[PakLFC]

India's interference in Balochistan is not an example of a peaceful neighbour either. You reap what you sow, Sushma sahiba. No one tell me that India is not involved in Balochistan when all Pak's know they are.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again no one's dragging anyone into our issues. A World Cup can exist without IND vs PAK, no? But you also love THE ONLY statistically superior record of yours (THAT streak) and also don't wanna risk your "business"/points, therefore playing PAK in all ICC tournaments while shamelessly refusing to tour because of - and its getting predictable now - HYPOCRISY

Tell ICC not to put India and Pakistan in the same group.India had asked the same in the past.

What business will we lose?LOL.Indian cricket isnt dependent on Pakistan fir business.

If we forfeit two points it affects the entire tournament and other teams. What if Pakistan is tied with X team on points and India forfeits 2 points.Thats unfair on the other team and to the whole tournament.Secondly, why should India gift Pakistan 2 points? For supporting violence againist Indians?Boycott is to hurt PCB not help it.

As i said we will deal with PCB as we deem fit and not as you want it to be.

Regarding hypocrisy, considering the actions of GOI and BCCI from banning pakistani players from IPL, PKL, IHL putting visa restrictions on Pakistanis, i do not think they care about your opinion on them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India's interference in Balochistan is not an example of a peaceful neighbour either. You reap what you sow, Sushma sahiba. No one tell me that India is not involved in Balochistan when all Pak's know they are.

Lets assume India is involved in Balochistan, though Pakistan is yet to prove this to the world.


Pakistan is involved in Kashmir, historically even in Khalistani terror groups. How many Pakistani leaders have accepted that?

 

[cricketjoshila]

My personal advice to Ramiz after above statement is to not apply for any comm positions in India!

Pakistani commies were not invited to the last IPL.Were they?

 

[PakLFC]

Lets assume India is involved in Balochistan, though Pakistan is yet to prove this to the world.


Pakistan is involved in Kashmir, historically even in Khalistani terror groups. How many Pakistani leaders have accepted that?

Kashmir is an outstanding issue that the UN accepts where as Baluchistan is not. Kashmir is an indigenous movement, that has always been Pak's stance. Pak has proved India is involved in Balochistan through many pics and weapons made in India. You must accept our view as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kashmir is an outstanding issue that the UN accepts where as Baluchistan is not. Kashmir is an indigenous movement, that has always been Pak's stance. Pak has proved India is involved in Balochistan through many pics and weapons made in India. You must accept our view as well.

Issues arise over time.Was Bangladesh a issue before 71?Was Yugoslavia a issue till 80s?Was Iraq a issue till 90s?Was ISIS a issue till 2-3 years back?

UN has not debated Kashmir for 50+ years.Pakistan has signed agreements with india to maintain status quo on the boundary.Yet you train and arm terrorists.Pakistan used terrorism againist India, even Pak.leaders have accepted this.

Please present these pics and other stuff to UN and get the Indians sanctionedm

 

[BaankeJi]

As I have said before, international borders are the root cause of all these issues. Wipe out international borders and peace will prevail. Let there be One Country One Rule(OCOR).

 

[PakLFC]

Issues arise over time.Was Bangladesh a issue before 71?Was Yugoslavia a issue till 80s?Was Iraq a issue till 90s?Was ISIS a issue till 2-3 years back?

UN has not debated Kashmir for 50+ years.Pakistan has signed agreements with india to maintain status quo on the boundary.Yet you train and arm terrorists.Pakistan used terrorism againist India, even Pak.leaders have accepted this.

Please present these pics and other stuff to UN and get the Indians sanctionedm

Stick to the subject. Pak often brings up Kashmir at the UN conference. There is no comparison between Baluchistan and IoK and you know it. India is using Afghanistan as a hideout to attack Pak, even the Americans know this.

I do not expect Indian stooge Sharif to provide any evidence to the UN. Have to wait until the next government however we all know it. The evidence you provide is the Pak flag hoisted in IoK!

 

[KingKhanWC]

India is a confused nation, it won't play cricket but is happy to trade ?

Why doesn't it stop it's exports to Pakistan which around $4 billion?

It's just a lame excuse for cowardly running away from a hiding again.

 

[English August]

India is a confused nation, it won't play cricket but is happy to trade ?

Why doesn't it stop it's exports to Pakistan which around $4 billion?

It's just a lame excuse for cowardly running away from a hiding again.

Your statements make no sense. If India stops trading with Pak, its traders lose business. So it continues to trade in a limited way (even though Pak has refused to accord the MFN status, which India already has to Pak).

If it doesn't play cricket with Pak bilaterally, it loses nothing (except a few millions in broadcasting rights). BCCI is already making billions from cricket and doesn't need the extra $ from Pak matches.

Indian stance makes perfect logical sense. Where is the confusion? You seem confused about the Indian stance.

Hope this helps.

 

[English August]

Shoaib Akhtar and Ramiz Raja strike back....


Shoaib Akhtar :

"This is a sad situation that almost 2 billion people together in both countries cannot take benefit from each other"

"So much revenue can be generated with trade as well as cricket but its not happening, so what else can one say about it?"

"If they don't want to play, then India should not make such statements"

"Its a loss for both sides and also for youngsters of both countries"

"Understand this that if India plays with Pakistan, then revenues from brodacasting rights go skyrocketing for India"

"As far as Indian cricketers and people are concerned, they all are in favour of playing with Pakistan"

"They do not have voice so now the people of both sides should react and express their views on social media [in favour]"

"They should ask why is it that we cannot play, why cannot we trade, why cannot we establish relations with each other"

"I am sick of us playing cricket with India with such large gaps in between where no cricket is played"

"We know that they have the money and rights to run cricket but its not on that they can say when they feel like it that they dont want to play cricket with Pakistan; this is not how its done"

"Virat K came over to the Pakistan team at end of CT17 and congratulated them for winning and playing better"

Ramiz Raja

"Indian govt is trying to erase history whether its about cricket, about Muslims or about Moghuls"

Cry me a river, Shoaib.

You're a funny guy. How do you know what *all* the Indians think? Did you run an opinion poll? And who are you to tell the Indian EAM "how it's done"? She will say what she wants and there is nothing you or anyone in Pak can do about it.

And what can one say about Rameez?! Moghuls and cricket -- really? I am sure Akbar is turning in his grave!!!

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Tell ICC not to put India and Pakistan in the same group.India had asked the same in the past.

What business will we lose?LOL.Indian cricket isnt dependent on Pakistan fir business.

If we forfeit two points it affects the entire tournament and other teams. What if Pakistan is tied with X team on points and India forfeits 2 points.Thats unfair on the other team and to the whole tournament.Secondly, why should India gift Pakistan 2 points? For supporting violence againist Indians?Boycott is to hurt PCB not help it.

As i said we will deal with PCB as we deem fit and not as you want it to be.

Regarding hypocrisy, considering the actions of GOI and BCCI from banning pakistani players from IPL, PKL, IHL putting visa restrictions on Pakistanis, i do not think they care about your opinion on them.

LOL

What a waste of words.

1) Don't act like you care for other cricketing nations when you clearly don't

2) Playing Pak bilaterally is not OK because of cross-border firings, Indian army killings by PAK etc etc but these same pathetic excuses go to hell in ICC tournaments because there's a whole lot at stake there, right?

3) I never asked anyone to care for my opinion but you can damn well be sure that I have every right to opine

Like I said if you don't like getting called a hypocrite then don't commit hypocrisy and if you have some dignity then atleast own up to it.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Stick to the subject. Pak often brings up Kashmir at the UN conference. There is no comparison between Baluchistan and IoK and you know it. India is using Afghanistan as a hideout to attack Pak, even the Americans know this.

I do not expect Indian stooge Sharif to provide any evidence to the UN. Have to wait until the next government however we all know it. The evidence you provide is the Pak flag hoisted in IoK!

How do you know that? Have you seen the evidence? Please share us the source and I’ll acknowledge that yes GoI have been utterly wrong about Pakistan and its involvement with cross-border terrorism.

Lets face it, we all know both Pakistan and India are trying their best to create terrorism in each other’s land. I just wish both nation can grow up and stop trying to hurt each other and let live each other in peace.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Shoaib Akhtar and Ramiz Raja strike back....


Shoaib Akhtar :

"This is a sad situation that almost 2 billion people together in both countries cannot take benefit from each other"

"So much revenue can be generated with trade as well as cricket but its not happening, so what else can one say about it?"

"If they don't want to play, then India should not make such statements"

"Its a loss for both sides and also for youngsters of both countries"

"Understand this that if India plays with Pakistan, then revenues from brodacasting rights go skyrocketing for India"

"As far as Indian cricketers and people are concerned, they all are in favour of playing with Pakistan"

"They do not have voice so now the people of both sides should react and express their views on social media [in favour]"

"They should ask why is it that we cannot play, why cannot we trade, why cannot we establish relations with each other"

"I am sick of us playing cricket with India with such large gaps in between where no cricket is played"

"We know that they have the money and rights to run cricket but its not on that they can say when they feel like it that they dont want to play cricket with Pakistan; this is not how its done"

"Virat K came over to the Pakistan team at end of CT17 and congratulated them for winning and playing better"

Ramiz Raja

"Indian govt is trying to erase history whether its about cricket, about Muslims or about Moghuls"

Statements like these wont help with normalising relationship between two countries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India is a confused nation, it won't play cricket but is happy to trade ?

Why doesn't it stop it's exports to Pakistan which around $4 billion?

It's just a lame excuse for cowardly running away from a hiding again.

India is a signatory to WTO and hence trade cannot be stopped.

Can you post a proper reference of that claim of India exporting $4bn worth of goods to Pakistan?

The Dawn says that the number is far less and that Pakistani exports to India is rising and Indian exports to Pakistan falling.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1326877


Some Indian businessmen have even refused to trade with Pakistan.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1290370

No one is scared of the 7th ranked test team that gets white washed at home by Lankans.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Stick to the subject. Pak often brings up Kashmir at the UN conference. There is no comparison between Baluchistan and IoK and you know it. India is using Afghanistan as a hideout to attack Pak, even the Americans know this.

I do not expect Indian stooge Sharif to provide any evidence to the UN. Have to wait until the next government however we all know it. The evidence you provide is the Pak flag hoisted in IoK!

Pakistan crying at UNGA doesnt mean UN discussing the issue. Your UN rep was caught showing fake pictures in UN claiming them to be from Kashmir.Thats the level of your proof.

Anyone can raise a issue in UN. If Pakistan is going to keep on breaking its agreements on Kashmir, India should raise Balochistan issue around the world.

Pakistan claims evidence, shows nothing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL

What a waste of words.

1) Don't act like you care for other cricketing nations when you clearly don't

2) Playing Pak bilaterally is not OK because of cross-border firings, Indian army killings by PAK etc etc but these same pathetic excuses go to hell in ICC tournaments because there's a whole lot at stake there, right?

3) I never asked anyone to care for my opinion but you can damn well be sure that I have every right to opine

Like I said if you don't like getting called a hypocrite then don't commit hypocrisy and if you have some dignity then atleast own up to it.

1) Dont tell me what i care about.Its for me to decide not you.

2)Not playing Pakistan bilaterally affects only PCB and Pakistan. Doing so in ICC tournaments affects other teams and the tournament may even affect India.

3)Plz keep posting your opinions.Who is stopping you.

Like i told you, India will deal with Pcb as they deem fit and not as you want to.Nothing is going to change that.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

1) Dont tell me what i care about.Its for me to decide not you.

2)Not playing Pakistan bilaterally affects only PCB and Pakistan. Doing so in ICC tournaments affects other teams and the tournament may even affect India.

3)Plz keep posting your opinions.Who is stopping you.

Like i told you, India will deal with Pcb as they deem fit and not as you want to.Nothing is going to change that.

1) By you, I meant BCCI

2) You keep ignoring my point

India can do whatever the hell they want to do.

My argument is about what's logical and fair.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Pakistan crying at UNGA doesnt mean UN discussing the issue. Your UN rep was caught showing fake pictures in UN claiming them to be from Kashmir.Thats the level of your proof.

Anyone can raise a issue in UN. If Pakistan is going to keep on breaking its agreements on Kashmir, India should raise Balochistan issue around the world.

Pakistan claims evidence, shows nothing.

Balochistan is a part of Pakistan.
It has nothing to do with you or India or the US/UN.
Nothing they say or do is gonna change anything in Balochistan.

Kashmir on the other hand, has always been a disputed territory and therefore both India and Pakistan have the right to argue about the issue on international forums.

 

[cricketjoshila]

1) By you, I meant BCCI

2) You keep ignoring my point

India can do whatever the hell they want to do.

My argument is about what's logical and fair.

1.Then dont assume what BCCI wants.They have helped other boards more than PCB could ever do.

2.You dont see the reasoning.India Pakistan is a bilateral issue and hence India doesnt want it to affect a multi lateral tournament.

3.You are looking at it from your own perspective.While India is looking at it from its own policies.

 

[maverick85]

Weird Indians showcasing ancient Pakistani artefacts as their own. The majority here is Indus valley:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-42408564

 

[cricketjoshila]

Balochistan is a part of Pakistan.
It has nothing to do with you or India or the US/UN.
Nothing they say or do is gonna change anything in Balochistan.

Kashmir on the other hand, has always been a disputed territory and therefore both India and Pakistan have the right to argue about the issue on international forums.

Bangladesh was once part of Pakistan too.It isnt anymore. Yugoslavia was once one of the most powerful nations in the world, it doesnt exist anymore. Things change.

So think before you say nothing is going to change.

Pakistan has signed various agreements to maintain the sanctity of the LOC in Kashmir, yet it has accepted that it uses terrorism againist India in Kashmir as a policy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Weird Indians showcasing ancient Pakistani artefacts as their own. The majority here is Indus valley:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-42408564

Pakistan has a trademark and patent over IVC?LOL.

Look up the IVC sites in India.There are many.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Bangladesh was once part of Pakistan too.It isnt anymore. Yugoslavia was once one of the most powerful nations in the world, it doesnt exist anymore. Things change.

So think before you say nothing is going to change.

Pakistan has signed various agreements to maintain the sanctity of the LOC in Kashmir, yet it has accepted that it uses terrorism againist India in Kashmir as a policy.

Well if you wanna put it that way then be ready for Kashmir to become a part of Pakistan

Oh and btw Balochistan isn't going anywhere EVER.

Just a heads up, in case you were expecting something else

OR

Just keep absorbing Arnab Goswami's pathetic "facts" and live a deluded life.

 

[maverick85]

Pakistan has a trademark and patent over IVC?LOL.

Look up the IVC sites in India.There are many.

What about Ganges Valley Civs?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well if you wanna put it that way then be ready for Kashmir to become a part of Pakistan

Oh and btw Balochistan isn't going anywhere EVER.

Just a heads up, in case you were expecting something else

OR

Just keep absorbing Arnab Goswami's pathetic "facts" and live a deluded life.

Well if thats what you think, then long before Kashmir cedes away from India, Balochistan will be ceded away from Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What about Ganges Valley Civs?

You need to read history. It appears you may have little knowledge of it since, in another post you claimed that IVC was Pakistani Artefacts.

 

[maverick85]

You need to read history. It appears you may have little knowledge of it since, in another post you claimed that IVC was Pakistani Artefacts.

Just asking because Bengal is part of the Ganges valley civilization
*majority showcased

 

[blue_champion]

Did Ramiz just refer to Mughals and Muslims ..... it doesn’t take a lot to bring religion into it does it?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just asking because Bengal is part of the Ganges valley civilization
*majority showcased

Can you tell what is Ganges Valley civilization?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Did Ramiz just refer to Mughals and Muslims ..... it doesn’t take a lot to bring religion into it does it?

Pakistani commies didnt get IPL contract last year?

 

[maverick85]

Can you tell what is Ganges Valley civilization?

Dunno, its a civilization that formed after the continental drift. I think it centres around Bengal.

Legend says that a keyboard warrior from Bengal will become a self proclaimed expert in Kashmir, the Indus, hindutva and Bharat mata ki jai? Kaha jai? Mujhe nahi mahloom :/

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dunno, its a civilization that formed after the continental drift. I think it centres around Bengal.
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Legend says that a keyboard warrior from Bengal will become a self proclaimed expert in Kashmir, the Indus, hindutva and Bharat mata ki jai? Kaha jai? Mujhe nahi mahloom :/

Facts has it that Major parts of Kashmir is ruled by India, indus valley civilization has huge sites in India.

Some people just cant accept the facts. They should go to a Psychiatrist.They have my full sympathies while they recover from their delusions.

 

[sshakir411]

CJ and other Indians as usual blowing hot air and trying to deflect attention from the main reason...Pakistan is not asking for new series with India every year but the series India agreed to play and snaked on. That's it. Typical propaganda from the Indians because that's what they are fed on a daily basis.

 

[cricketjoshila]

CJ and other Indians as usual blowing hot air and trying to deflect attention from the main reason...Pakistan is not asking for new series with India every year but the series India agreed to play and snaked on. That's it. Typical propaganda from the Indians because that's what they are fed on a daily basis.

Can you tell me who promised this series?

 

[sshakir411]

Can you tell me who promised this series?

Not promised but agreed to. Please use your GoI permission excuse because that still has some weight but don't fabricate things and say Pakistan asks to play India all the time. We only ask for what was agreed to...play that and you won't see PCB knocking on BCCI's door for more series.

 

[princeuk]

India is a confused nation, it won't play cricket but is happy to trade ?

Why doesn't it stop it's exports to Pakistan which around $4 billion?

It's just a lame excuse for cowardly running away from a hiding again.

Yes, it's something they fail to understand. I'm sure there is some sort of justification there whereby only cricket is harmful to Indian society.