Firstly I don't care what you think about South Indians or me.
I think very highly of South Indians and have a lot of friends from there. That is why i said they are generally the saner more empathetic ones and your ill informed posts directed solely at bringing down Kashmiris are quite unfortunate given that you are from South India.
If you see a trend, fine. In my memory I haven't made anti Kashmiri posts or opened threads to mock or score brownie points over happenings in Kashmir.
You have done it before as well:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...h-zero-crime-record-against-tourists-Official
Its quite clear that you have no idea about the social fabric of Kashmir which is understandable due to the distance between North and South. It looks like most of your knowledge about the place is based on State propaganda which tells you about a handful of mishappenings in the time frame of decades altogether. The frequency of such crimes is what matters the most because that tells you more about the society and place. You ignored this aspect completely and tried to paint a picture using rare events rather than the norm. It is evident that You dont know about the peaceful under current of the Kashmiri society which will only be evident to those who spend time here.
And pretty rich of you to claim moral ground when you don't consider Indians as friends and open threads regularly to take potshots at India/Indians. I never recall targeting you as a poster, I prefer to debate points and not the forum member. I wish you do the same and argue based on the content rather than trying to give character certificates to other members. We are just anonymous posters and 99.9% of us will never see any other PPer face to face to form an objective opinion of the person behind the keyboard.
Whats the basis of the claim that i dont consider Indians as friends? I do have many Indian friends so i dont know what you are talking about. Have you ever heard me say that i dont consider Indians as friends? Obviously i cant consider those who rejoice at the killing and maiming of Kashmiris as friends but that doesnt prevent me from making friends with good people in India.
Whenever i have opened a thread about India, it mostly is factual news which has a connection with Kashmir. And in any case, i provide proper links to the news. I dont think i have ever opened a thread about India based on my "opinion" or generalization about all Indians.
I would not have pointed towards you as a poster but your repeated uninformed and misleading jibes towards Kashmiri society compelled me because they can mislead others on the forum if left unanswered.
When someone opens a thread with no link and a twitter video shared by a well known fake news peddler cum hate monger, there will be heated replies. Don't claim moral high ground after your first post. Who is 'they'?' These kind of people'? 'Hindus'? Based on one video shared from somewhere in UP, you want to generalize 1 billion Hindus from all across the country?
Assuming the video is correct, if you had stuck to simply criticizing the authorities involved I would have agreed. Can't speak for others but at least I don't agree with the policies of the UP government and their divisive agenda. But you had to drag Hindus and Kashmir into this debate as if Kashmir is the perfect place and all Hindus from rest of India are evil.
I cant believe i have to explain this to you. By words like "them" , "these kind of people" etc. I obviously meant the ones who hold an extreme ideology and ones perpetrating such evil acts. And i never used the term "hindus". So that is baseless. Please point out where i blamed hindus in general. You can't.
Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I simply asked you not to preach without being perfect. It is one thing for Norway to criticize and lecture us but Kashmir is no shining example in these matters.
Kashmir, even though not perfect because no place is, is a shining example which everybody should learn from. Come and live among the people and you will see.
My words: "And there have been terror attacks against those pilgrims, often with locals involved" and NOT "And there have been terror attacks against those pilgrims often with locals involved" as you indicate. Notice the comma? That little punctuation mark changes the whole meaning. You have got it totally wrong my friend. I didn't say Kashmir sees attacks often. I said the perpetrators are often locals. Civil society coming together to condemn the attack is a move I genuinely appreciate. And I will say civil societies in quite a few states in India would have done the same if Muslim pilgrims were killed.
Okay this might have been a blip on my part because i missed the comma. I appogise for it. And i am glad that you acknowledge that these kinds of incidents are exceptions rather than a norm. Perpetrators often being locals then becomes a secondary thing because these things rarely happen in the first place. Having said that, even these rare bad incidents should not happen. And I am sure Indian civil society would also come out to protest against such acts in some states. Not disputing that.
You are fine to believe your state version of what happened to the Panidts. I would rather not disrespect the victims who have lost everything and ignoring their eye-witness accounts is something I can't do. You may well believe that the killings, rapes and threats are a figment of imagination, good for you. Don't put words in my mouth, all that 'evil Kashmiri Muslims' and what not. All that I know is that there was communal harmony even in places like Iraq/Syria/Egypt but we know what happened to minorities there in the last 5-6 years. Similarly many riots happened in places where there was a history of communal harmony in the preceding years. And in these riots/pogroms, it doesn't need the active participation of the majority. Evil acts are carried out by a tiny few but majority chooses to remain silent, be it 1984 or 2002 or a 1000 other instances across the world.
Like i said, i wont discuss the Pandit issue again because it has been discussed at length here already with statements from Pandit leaders of the time being shared which puts everything into perspective. Comparing Kashmir to events in Arab lands would open a pandora's box and is infact equivalent to using numerous fallacies in your argument like affirming the consequent and fallacy of accident. It simply wont end well in a logical discussion. Kashmiris were not a silent majority anyway but like i said, its futile to discuss it for the 100th time here.
If you want to believe that Kashmir is the safest state for tourists you are free to have your opinion. Just don't drag in other Indian states in the discussion or put others down.
Peace.
It is indeed the safest place for tourists in South Asia, not just based on my opinion but based on facts which you attacked in the other thread (link mentioned above in this post). Having said this, you are entitled to your opinion if you believe otherwise based on your personal knowledge of the place.
Peace.
