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[PICTURES] ICC asks BCCI to remove Indian army insignia from MS Dhoni's gloves; COA says No [#207]

Should MS Dhoni be allowed to keep Indian army insignia on his gloves?


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This is why i am saying india should take a stand:
NO REMOVAL OF INSIGNIA OR NO PLAY!

When was the last time we actually walk the talk? All these empty threats and we are still going to play against Pakistan. BCCI will once again listen to its daddy ICC and follow the rules. :inti
 
When was the last time we actually walk the talk? All these empty threats and we are still going to play against Pakistan. BCCI will once again listen to its daddy ICC and follow the rules. :inti
Bhai i am a pakistani fan, im just hoping india take a stand because it may be the only way to stop india from winning the WC!
Having said that our family now live in lahore, but before partition we were from jalandar, punjab. So i do have a genuine soft spot for india!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dhoni is in England to play cricket not to for MahaBharta , what an idiotic debate in Indian Media,a section of Indian media is so obsessed with War they should be sent to Syria, Afghanistan Or Rawanda as mercenaries.... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Idiots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Idiots</a> <a href="https://t.co/WIcPdK5V8g">https://t.co/WIcPdK5V8g</a></p>— Ch Fawad Hussain (@fawadchaudhry) <a href="https://twitter.com/fawadchaudhry/status/1136672780206915589?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is something we dont need.
 
If that logo is not very common or prominent, I will not have an issue with it. Let's be honest here - you and most others here had zero clue of the fact that Dhoni was sporting an Indian army symbol on his gloves. Most of us didn't even notice it, and those who somehow managed to see the symbol didn't think that it was in anyway related to the Indian military. A complete non-issue in my opinion.

You must also support secret murders which no one notices and such cases which never come to the surface.
 
The Christian population of Palestine is only about 5% - it is predominantly a Muslim vs Jew issue.

The only reason why the vast majority of Muslims care for what is happening in Palestine is because the oppressed party are Muslims. Unfortunately for most of us, humanity starts and ends with the Muslim ummah. Someone like Moeen would never wear an armband to show solidarity for the minorities who are butchered Pakistan, or show support for the persecution of Christians in various Arab countries.

In Sept 2013, a church in Peshawar was attacked by suicide bombers and over 120 Christians were martyred. It is the deadliest attack on Christians in history of Pakistan. In July 2014, Moeen Ali was seen sport a "Save Gaza" bracelet - if he really cared for humanity, why didn't he also wear a "Save Pakistani Christians" bracelet?

The notion that Palestine is a humanitarian issue rather than a religious one is a disingenuous position. The major reason why most Muslims care about Palestine is because they are Muslims.

If its a religious issue then why do non-muslims support Palestine?
 
I don’t ‘worship’ cricketers . Therefore I find it fine to criticise them if it’s valid . Nobody is above the law outside of the Bollywood world.

Criticism is fine bro. Besides you are not the authority.

By virtue of being an all time great Dhoni has earned that respect and special treatment.

It is the same everywhere in all walks of life in all countries. If you are complaining aboit it i dont know why.

Also this isnt a political Statement anyway.
 
If it is war ICC seeks it is war ICC shall get.

Dhoni should now proudly weild his gloves.

We are with you bro.
 
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BCCI and some of our fans do act like spoiled brats. It's just like bollywood movies where a rich dad who is also a trustee of the college wants college to obey his and his son's orders. ICC requested Dhoni to remove it. But it seems it has hurt the egos of powerful board and some of their fans. Power is in the wrong hand it seems. :inti
 
If it is war ICC seeks it is war ICC shall get.

Dhoni should now proudly weild his gloves.

We are with you bro.

To hell with ICC and Pakistan lobby.

Stop your nautanki please. BCCI lost all self respect when they didn't boycott our world cup match against Pakistan. I thought we were going to take revenge of Pulwama Attacks by boycotting our match against Pakistan but it seems we are so soft and money comes first before national pride for BCCI. :inti
 
The real question is what so political or immoral about supporting para-miliary force. It shouldn't be international issue as para militaries operate inside the country. It shouldn't be religious issue as big chunk of it Muslim population.
 
BCCI stands with Dhoni. CoA chief Vinod Rai says, “ICC must allow Dhoni to keep wearing same gloves.”
Now this is epic battel outside ground .
 
Dhoni vs Pakistan | After the gloves controversy

By making this an issue, my dear brothers, you have awaken the beast.

Be prepared to fight fire with fire now.

The sacrifice insignia will stay.

You madd this personal.

We will see you on 16th.
 
BCCI stands with Dhoni. CoA chief Vinod Rai says, “ICC must allow Dhoni to keep wearing same gloves.”
Now this is epic battel outside ground .

ICC should now be prepared for a broken jaw.

You made this personal.

You tried to hit us where it hurts fhe most.

Now be prepared as we unleash hell on you.
 
Hopefully he wouldn't be required to bat.

Should be sent at #3 to unleash public rage on Pakistan bowlers for giving air to needless controversy.

It will be a double strike and send a message to ICC as well.
 
BCCI's COA Vinod Rai said he would request ICC to give permission to Dhoni to continue using the Balidan symbol Glove.
What if ICC dont agree?
Will BCCI walk the talk and boycott?
What if ICC agree?
Will PCB (and Pak govt.) keep quiet? Pakistani Minister has already put his views clear on twitter.
Symbolically it would look bad - Pakistani batsman batting and on their back-ends within short distance an Indian paramilitary Dagger insignia.

This issue has all the making of a serious escalation
Hope better sense prevail and some sort of understanding happens and we fans got to see the cricket in peace.
 
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In al seriousness, why has dhoni started this drama? As qn experienced former indian cqptain, he knows this will cause an issue, especially with passionate/over sensitive indians.

So whats hes motive/ulterior motive?
To deflect from his own performance?
Just a plain attention seeker?
To consolidate his position in the team, as he is old and no longer captain?
What?
Please dont be naive enough to say patriotism!
 
ICC should now be prepared for a broken jaw.

You made this personal.

You tried to hit us where it hurts fhe most.

Now be prepared as we unleash hell on you.

Lets first boycott our match against Australia then against Pakistan on 16th June. This will teach ICC a lesson and we will successfully take revenge of Pulwama Attacks. :inti

#ICCHasABrokenJaw #BCCIRocks #ThankYouIPL
 
If its a religious issue then why do non-muslims support Palestine?

The non-Muslims who show solidarity with Palestine as well as the Muslims who express their concern for the oppression of the minorities are true humanitarians.

Unfortunately, most people are not, whether they are Muslims or non-Muslims. That is why most non-Muslims turn a blind eye towards Palestine and why most Muslims turn a blind eye towards the oppression of minorities.
 
In al seriousness, why has dhoni started this drama? As qn experienced former indian cqptain, he knows this will cause an issue, especially with passionate/over sensitive indians.

So whats hes motive/ulterior motive?
To deflect from his own performance?
Just a plain attention seeker?
To consolidate his position in the team, as he is old and no longer captain?
What?
Please dont be naive enough to say patriotism!
Agree with this. Grandpa, of late has shown these tendencies. Won't be surprised to see him joining BJP after his cricket career is over just like Gambhir did. There are healthy signs of it.
 
To be fair, the last time Indian players played with army caps, they lost 3 games to Australia at home, and lost the series 3-2.

As for ICC, they don't have the balls to put the BCCI to task for breaking the rules, at best it will be a slap on the wrist.

Also, please do not feed the Bharat army cadets with intelligence in this thread (Mamoon and his brigade). They just need an excuse to feel important.
 
BCCI's COA Vinod Rai said he would request ICC to give permission to Dhoni to continue using the Balidan symbol Glove.
What if ICC dont agree?
Will BCCI walk the talk and boycott?
What if ICC agree?
Will PCB (and Pak govt.) keep quiet? Pakistani Minister has already put his views clear on twitter.
Symbolically it would look bad - Pakistani batsman batting and on their back-ends within short distance an Indian paramilitary Dagger insignia.

This issue has all the making of a serious escalation
Hope better sense prevail and some sort of understanding happens and we fans got to see the cricket in peace.

What has pcb and pakistan got to do here? Its ICC and BCCI issue.
 
Dhoni will flop against Pakistan In sha Allah:) and thanks for the jinx thread.
 
Why are some indian players and some indian fans determined to politicise and ruin this wc?
This is a global sporting event not the un security council.
Very few non asians i know watch cricket in the uk, but the ones who do, cant understand why india and pak cricket team/ board behave so childishly.
To be honest, neither do i!
 
Stop lying.

If Sarfraz or any member of team Pakistan were to wear armed force symbol not visible to naked eyes then you would have wasted words and bandwidth on word salad hoping that typing extensively and forcefully would slit your wrist.

Lol

You can say what you want, but unless Sarfraz or any other Pakistani player does that and I criticize them, your ‘prediction’ has no credibility.
 
Exactly. ICC requested it politely they didn't ban him. :inti

Can’t believe people are debating over this nothing issue. Pakistani fans want the ICC to ban or fine Dhoni, and Indian fans want the BCCI to use it’s power and influence to bend the rules.
 
Let's see what happens when Fakhar Zaman does the same with a Pakistan Navy Insignia on the back of his Bat, right in the face of Dhoni.
This will test the BCCI pandering ICC.
 
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So whatever happened to the Asian bloc brotherhood, freelance bhai?

It is called competitive spirit.

AsianBloc will always stand tall.

Love and brotherhood is all we have.

Without it we are nothing.
 
Why are some indian players and some indian fans determined to politicise and ruin this wc?
This is a global sporting event not the un security council.
Very few non asians i know watch cricket in the uk, but the ones who do, cant understand why india and pak cricket team/ board behave so childishly.
To be honest, neither do i!

What is Pakistan's issue with Indian team and what it does? Did Indians complain when pakistani cricketers supported their army? No.

Pakistanis are free to hate the Indian Army, but that doesnot mean Indian players wont support their army.
 
Needless controversy. Dhoni should remove the logo from his gloves. He can get it tattooed on his arm if he wants.
 
Let's see what happens when Fakhar Zaman does the same with a Pakistan Navy Insignia on the back of his Bat, right in the face of Dhoni.
This will test the BCCI pandering ICC.

Bring it in.

It is about sher dili, daleri and jaanbaazi.
 
Let's see what happens when Fakhar Zaman does the same with a Pakistan Navy Insignia on the back of his Bat, right in the face of Dhoni.
This'll be a test for the BCCI pandering ICC.

I dont think he can sport a insignia on his bat as ICC rules say that you can sport only a registered bat manufacturer sticker on tge bat. But if he does it on his clothes, it will be perfectly fine. There is nothing wrong in it.
 
The non-Muslims who show solidarity with Palestine as well as the Muslims who express their concern for the oppression of the minorities are true humanitarians.

Unfortunately, most people are not, whether they are Muslims or non-Muslims. That is why most non-Muslims turn a blind eye towards Palestine and why most Muslims turn a blind eye towards the oppression of minorities.

The point is you made an active claim that Palestine is a religious issue while now you are saying that it is possible that some people who support Palestine are humanitarians. Can you prove that Moeen didn't do it for humanitarian reasons and his motivation was only religious? Are there any statements from Moeen himself which prove your claim?
 
So BCCI has officially refused to ask Dhoni to remove the insignia. They have engaged ICC in a discussion regarding this.
 
One of my closest friends is a Pakistani Christian and guess what I also happen to be a vocal critic of how minorities are treated in Pakistan, not just with him but also with Muslims as well, so please don’t tar everyone with the same brush, as if every Muslim out there only cares about their own. You’ve obviously implied, I’m part of that crowd as well, so no offence you sound like a right-wing Islamaphobe.

I don’t blame Moeen Ali for promoting Gaza over other persecutions because of what the natives in the Palestinians have to had to endure for over 70 years. In the same period, name me a place on Earth where Muslims have invaded, killed and pillaged native non-Muslims and consequently kicked them out of their home land?

I know you’re in awe of Israel because how well it’s advanced in science and technology and they deserve the praise for their accomplishments, but a word of advice, don’t let it cloud your judgements, especially morally.

We need to be honest about the fact that the reason why most Muslims show solidarity with Palestine is because they are Muslims.

How many Christians and followers of other religion have to die before Muslims show solidarity? Do you think Moeen would be wearing “Save Gaza” bracelets if Palestine wasn’t 94% Muslim?

This is of course not limited to Muslims only. Non-Muslims also turn a blind eye towards the oppression of Muslims because they don’t view Islam and Muslims favorably.

There are very few true humanitarians and true humanitarian causes in the world - the vast majority of support and empathy is influenced by religious and political motivations.
 
What is Pakistan's issue with Indian team and what it does? Did Indians complain when pakistani cricketers supported their army? No.

Pakistanis are free to hate the Indian Army, but that doesnot mean Indian players wont support their army.
I'm not fussed about a little sticker on dhonis glove. I really dont mind it, no big deal. But dhoni knew that ICC will call him out on it and his fellow indians will get upset by this.
The question is , whats dhoni's real motive behind this and like i said before, please dont be naive enough to say patriotism!
Dhoni has always struck me as someone who is very sly, unlike kohli who wears his heart on his sleeve and is honest. If kohli had done something like this, i can believe it would have been out of patriotism, but dhoni, na his a sly guy!
 
The point is you made an active claim that Palestine is a religious issue while now you are saying that it is possible that some people who support Palestine are humanitarians. Can you prove that Moeen didn't do it for humanitarian reasons and his motivation was only religious? Are there any statements from Moeen himself which prove your claim?

If Moeen was a humanitarian, he would have shown solidarity with other oppressed groups as well.

The fact that he didn’t give a damn about the biggest Christian massacre in Pakistan’s history that happened a few months before he wore the “Save Gaza” bracelet, clearly shows that the safety of Christians is not a priority for him.

Of course it is possible to support Palestine on humanitarian grounds, but Moeen isn’t one of them.
 
Can’t believe people are debating over this nothing issue. Pakistani fans want the ICC to ban or fine Dhoni, and Indian fans want the BCCI to use it’s power and influence to bend the rules.

We should concentrate on our World Cup campaign. These things will come back to bite us if we lose our match against Pakistan. :jk
 
The point is you made an active claim that Palestine is a religious issue while now you are saying that it is possible that some people who support Palestine are humanitarians. Can you prove that Moeen didn't do it for humanitarian reasons and his motivation was only religious? Are there any statements from Moeen himself which prove your claim?


Good point. He probably made a 'prediction' about Moeens intentions - hence in his own words it lacks credibility.
 
Like i said in the other thread, i believe dhoni is using this controversy to cover up his failing abilities.
Dhoni wont hurt us, kohli, rohit, dhawan, bumra, chahal and kuldeep might.
 
These are all tactics by Dhoni to portray himself as a real nationalist to all of India. After WC, i can see him joining politics aka BJP. These are just preparations for him. Even if he remove it now, he has already succeeded to woo the jingoists.
 
What is Pakistan's issue with Indian team and what it does? Did Indians complain when pakistani cricketers supported their army? No.

Pakistanis are free to hate the Indian Army, but that doesnot mean Indian players wont support their army.

Wake up. It was not Pakistan or PCB who requested Dhoni to remove that thing.
 
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These are all tactics by Dhoni to portray himself as a real nationalist to all of India. After WC, i can see him joining politics aka BJP. These are just preparations for him. Even if he remove it now, he has already succeeded to woo the jingoists.

If he want to become a successful politician he has to start giving statements against Pakistan otherwise he will fail as a politician. :inti
 
These are all tactics by Dhoni to portray himself as a real nationalist to all of India. After WC, i can see him joining politics aka BJP. These are just preparations for him. Even if he remove it now, he has already succeeded to woo the jingoists.
At last someone is seeing the trees amid the forest.
Or should i say the politician among the cricketers!
 
Presumably he didn't seek the ICCs permission to put the logo on his gloves before the previous game which is a violation in itself.
 
These are all tactics by Dhoni to portray himself as a real nationalist to all of India. After WC, i can see him joining politics aka BJP. These are just preparations for him. Even if he remove it now, he has already succeeded to woo the jingoists.

Dhoni always support indian force ,why make this as political drama ??
 
If he want to become a successful politician he has to start giving statements against Pakistan otherwise he will fail as a politician. :inti

When some country players push up in ground & payers then people don't have any problem but now dhoni doing some thing this is all becouse of politics??
 
I like Dhoni he is a good player, but after the humiliation of wearing military caps in the match and then getting mauled by Pakistani born Khwaja, one should have some self-respect and don't do stupid and unwanted things like these.

If Dhoni is so much into military may be one more leg at the border will be a good idea.
 
ICC Sources: If MS Dhoni and BCCI convince ICC that the "balidaan badge" does not have any political, religious, or racial message, ICC may consider the request .
 
Dhoni will flop against Pakistan In sha Allah:) and thanks for the jinx thread.
He has flopped against every team he has played against during last year or so, he is so hopelessly past it that it isn't even funny, its tragic.
 
You must also support secret murders which no one notices and such cases which never come to the surface.

How murder has to do with anything? Its not funny when ppl die, comparison here is sad ,you should know better ,if u dont have any sane comments keep quiet.
 
one should have some self-respect and don't do stupid and unwanted things like these.

If Dhoni is so much into military may be one more leg at the border will be a good idea.
In current 'nationalistic' climate of India, these gimmicks are norm.
 
New Delhi: Former Indian skipper MS Dhoni professed his love for the Indian Army as he sported the regimental dagger insignia of the Indian Para Special Forces on his wicket-keeping gloves during the India vs South Africa match at The Oval on Wednesday. However, the ICC has not been quite impressed with Dhoni’s decision and requested him to remove the insignia from his gloves. Thus, it kicked up a row.

While the ICC's intervention and disapproval of Dhoni’s “Balidaan” badge was met with heavy criticism from fans on Twitter, who have explicitly expressed their support to the 37-year-old Indian cricketer, former Indian footballer Bhaichung Bhutia has mooted for its removal.


“A player should go by the rules and regulations. If it’s against that, then Dhoni will have to remove it,” the torchbearer of Indian football told CNN-News18.

Further, Bhutia also urged Dhoni to “respect the sport first keeping aside everything else.”

However, former Indian track and field sprinter Milkha Singh contradicted Bhutia and rather supported Dhoni’s “patriotic” move.

“He did the right thing,” Singh told CNN-News18.

Mahendra Singh Dhoni, who was conferred the honorary rank of Lieutenant Colonel in the Parachute Regiment in 2011 and had undergone basic training under the Para Brigade in 2015, showed his love for the Army during India's maiden clash against South Africa on June 05.

The 'Balidaan' badge or patch can be worn by personnel who served in the Para Special Forces, and Dhoni had undergone a two-week initial training with the para regiment.

The visuals of Dhoni's tribute to the army forces earned him respect and love from the fellow Indians and tweets praising the former Indian skipper were aplenty on the microblogging site.

https://www.news18.com/news/sports/...chung-bhutias-advice-to-ms-dhoni-2175709.html
 
Dhoni should wear complete military attire directly before and directly after each match!
Show he is a true patriot and that this is nothing to do with his political ambitions after cricket.
 
I'm not fussed about a little sticker on dhonis glove. I really dont mind it, no big deal. But dhoni knew that ICC will call him out on it and his fellow indians will get upset by this.
The question is , whats dhoni's real motive behind this and like i said before, please dont be naive enough to say patriotism!
Dhoni has always struck me as someone who is very sly, unlike kohli who wears his heart on his sleeve and is honest. If kohli had done something like this, i can believe it would have been out of patriotism, but dhoni, na his a sly guy!

Dhoni was inducted into the Army and he trained with the paratroopers. He is now attached to the parachute regiment.

He has that insignia even on his phone and laptop.
 
Dhoni was inducted into the Army and he trained with the paratroopers. He is now attached to the parachute regiment.

He has that insignia even on his phone and laptop.
Yes i know he was made an honourary lieutenant colonel in the parachute regiment and had 2 weeks basic training.
But whats with the badges/ stickers everwhere? I used to do the same as a kid but my stickers were of footballers.
 
Yes i know he was made an honourary lieutenant colonel in the parachute regiment and had 2 weeks basic training.
But whats with the badges/ stickers everwhere? I used to do the same as a kid but my stickers were of footballers.

He is sporting his regimental badge. He is entitled to it.
 
I like Dhoni he is a good player, but after the humiliation of wearing military caps in the match and then getting mauled by Pakistani born Khwaja, one should have some self-respect and don't do stupid and unwanted things like these.

If Dhoni is so much into military may be one more leg at the border will be a good idea.

As a member of the parachute regiment in the Army , he has trained and can be called upon to serve if needed.
 
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