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[PICTURES] Is Joe Root’s reputation in danger due to Indian propaganda?

atreus said:
well to answer the OP's question, clearly the reputation on this forum is in danger because we got a bunch of monkeys on his back just because he is good at Cricket.
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Agree Root is once in generation bat, he has 2 x 100s in about 15 test matches in SA and Aus .


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This was an excellent hundred. I don't care if Starc looked like the only bowler who mattered on that pitch. Apart from a difficult chance when he was on 2, it was a solid performance with theatrics at the end with Archer.

When Stokes and Smith were blasted out quickly, it seemed like it was done for England and to get past 300 from there was amazing. Also, this whole nohundred monkey on his back added enough pressure that you can argue negates the argument of Cummins-Hazelwood being missing.
 
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atreus said:
Anyone crying about attack, Starc averages 16 in pinkball tests (GOAT) and Boland averages 16 in Australia, so...
:shhh
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Thats not how its done. You don’t calculate averages of bowlers in particular conditions.

Australia is missing two of their first choice pacers, thats a big dent.

Anyways, trolling aside (which I only do for the pakistani trolls here), it was an amazing knock albeit against a second string attack.

He has got the monkey off his back and now he will score even against the main pacers, he doesn’t have too many technical issues, so it was kind of strange to see him get out in similar fashion in Aus.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Thats not how its done. You don’t calculate averages of bowlers in particular conditions.

Australia is missing two of their first choice pacers, thats a big dent.

Anyways, trolling aside (which I only do for the pakistani trolls here), it was an amazing knock albeit against a second string attack.

He has got the monkey off his back and now he will score even against the main pacers, he doesn’t have too many technical issues, so it was kind of strange to see him get out in similar fashion in Aus.
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sure but even Australia's second string attack is very good, Starc is the king of pink ball Cricket and Boland is exceptional in Australia, Green is also good in Australia but bad outside it. If Cummins was there it would be an even greater century but with the context of the game it is the only thing that is saving England from an innings loss.

Agreed, very good knock regardless.

He has some issues in Australia, Mainly when he tried to ride the bounce with a diagonal bat and score square off the wicket, controlling the bounce in Australia is much harder than any other country, but he managed to get around it here by waiting until the ball was old and just playing with a straight bat, good of him to make some changes.

Adeliade, MCG and Sydney (well, traditionally) are generally less bouncy wickets than the Gabba so we'll see how he goes on those.
 
FTB root only can score soft runs thats too on road.

He is currently suppose to in his peaks but neither winning the series at home against India/ Australia nore Away from home.

:klopp :kp
 
Devadwal said:
FTB root only can score soft runs thats too on road.

He is currently suppose to in his peaks but neither winning the series at home against India/ Australia nore Away from home.

:klopp :kp
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How many Tests did India win outside India during Sachin's peak (1990s)? ...Oh
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well that makes sense
 
atreus said:
How many Tests did India win outside India during Sachin's peak (1990s)? ...Oh
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well that makes sense
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Sachin scored against strong bowling line-up on difficult condition.

Temu Tendulkar Only can score on flat pitches .

:klopp :kp

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btw both Root and Tendulkar are fantastic players and better than any Pakistan batter ever, and have carried their country for years, their team failing them has nothing to do with their own skill level.
 
Devadwal said:
Sachin scored against strong bowling line-up on difficult condition.

Temu Tendulkar Only can score on flat pitches .

:klopp :kp

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Mhmm

Averages of great players in low scoring games, As of September 30, 2023.

S Waugh 43.57
Root 43.06
De Villiers 43.06
Greenidge 41.56
Ponting 39.39
Tendulkar 39.35
Amla 38.71
Border 38.61
Lara 37.85
Gower 37.75
Sobers 36.96
Miandad 36.60
Crowe 36.41
Boycott 36.04
G Chappell 35.32
Dravid 34.87
Kallis 34.83
Sehwag 34.12
Kohli 34.09
Pietersen 33.85
S Smith 32.87
Laxman 32.10
Williamson 31.83
Clarke 31.83

Mhm
 
atreus said:
Mhmm

Averages of great players in low scoring games, As of September 30, 2023.

S Waugh 43.57
Root 43.06
De Villiers 43.06
Greenidge 41.56
Ponting 39.39
Tendulkar 39.35
Amla 38.71
Border 38.61
Lara 37.85
Gower 37.75
Sobers 36.96
Miandad 36.60
Crowe 36.41
Boycott 36.04
G Chappell 35.32
Dravid 34.87
Kallis 34.83
Sehwag 34.12
Kohli 34.09
Pietersen 33.85
S Smith 32.87
Laxman 32.10
Williamson 31.83
Clarke 31.83

Mhm
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Great and Temu Tendulkar , Both word's not fit in same sentance. :klopp :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Great and Temu Tendulkar , Both word's not fit in same sentance. :klopp :kp
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English please, and ofc, both of them are great batters. Anyone who makes 13,700 runs at an average over 50 and has 40 test tons is a great player. Sachin ranks number three in my all time list and Root ranks 15.
 
atreus said:
English please, and ofc, both of them are great batters. Anyone who makes 13,700 runs at an average over 50 and has 40 test tons is a great player. Sachin ranks number three in my all time list and Root ranks 15.
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I am not against Root or Smith, but shut up these wannabe Australia/England supporters( they are Pakistani,) , because they talk too much, but as soon as things don't go in their favour, they hide. This thread is perfect example of such supporter.


There are dozens of such posters available here.

:klopp :kp
 
Devadwal said:
This is not a New thing but everyone knows it.

and just a reminder for you- My English is weak so ....

:klopp :kp
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Never said Root is better than Sachin or whatever. Just that Root is the second highest run scorer ever, has average over 50, has won countless matches, plays well in all conditions minus Australia even where he averages almost 40 etc.

Sachin is obviously better, its so easy to argue Sachin is better than Root without having to resort to trolling. For example, Sachin had no technical faults like Root does in Australia, he never underperformed in any country like Root has done in Australia, he played for 24 years instead of Root who will at best play for 16-17, maybe 18 etc

It's fine if your English is weak, I'm just bantering.
 
Devadwal said:
I am not against Root or Smith, but shut up these wannabe Australia/England supporters( they are Pakistani,) , because they talk too much, but as soon as things don't go in their favour, they hide. This thread is perfect example of such supporter.


There are dozens of such posters available here.

:klopp :kp
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I'm not defending Pakistani posters who use Root to insult Sachin, I'm just not a fan of the whole thing of Pakistani fans hating on Sachin in the name of Root and Indian fans doing it to Root in the name of Sachin.

It's exceptionally childish, and what's the point of following Cricket if one can't even respect the highest run scorer of all time and the second hoghest run scorer of all time?

I didn't even know Sachin and Root hate was a thing, literally the two most likeable Cricketers ever.
 
Mamoon said:
We all know that barring unforeseen circumstances, Joe Root will surpass Sachin Tendulkar as the leading run scorer in Test cricket.

This seemed fairly unthinkable only 4 years ago because Joe Root was in the middle of a career slump and lagging behind Steve Smith and Virat Kohli, let alone Sachin Tendulkar.

However, in January 2021, Joe Root flicked a switch in Sri Lanka and since then, he has been an unstoppable force in this format and 3.5 years later, not only as he left Virat Kohli in his dust, he is almost certain to soar past Sachin Tendulkar as well.

We all know how protective and sensitive Indian fans are when it comes to Sachin Tendulkar. For billions of Indian fans, any comparison of Sachin Tendulkar with any batsman has almost been viewed as blasphemy.

Sachin Tendulkar’s legacy as the leading run scorer and century maker is a matter of immense pride for Indian fans. It is as if they have monopolized batting records and only an Indian batsmen is worthy enough to have the baton.

For very long, they were under the impression that like in ODIs, if there is one batsman who could, would and should surpass the Little Master, it will be their new King, Virat Kohli.

However, Joe Root’s rise was not part of the script and not something that they were prepared for.

As a result, in the coming years, I can foresee a collective media (social & mainstream) campaign to discredit Joe Root and sell the narrative that he might overtake Sachin Tendulkar in terms of runs, he will never compare him to him in terms of quality of batting.

We the non-Indian stakeholders in cricket must ensure that we protect Joe Root from the fangs of Indians who will leave no stone unturned to manufacture situations, stats and contexts to make Joe Root look like a lesser batsman.

For example, they would fixate on his record in Australia even though, his record in Australia is hardly worse than Sachin Tendulkar’s record in Pakistan, and the quality of attack that he has faced in Australia is very much comparable to the quality of attack that Tendulkar couldn’t dominate in Pakistan.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Joe Root is one of the greatest Test batsmen we have ever seen. We are proud to witness a legendary Test batsman at the peak of his powers in an era where there is an over-consumption of T20 cricket.

There is no doubt whatsover that he would have been a phenomenal Test batsman in an era because his technique, skill and temperament are timeless.

Joe Root’s reputation will be in danger due to Indian propaganda because with billions of more fans than all other cricket nations put together, Indian fans and Indian media hold the ultimate power when it comes to shaping narratives. Their beliefs and their convictions become the ultimate source of truth.

This is how a bang average cricketer like M.S. Dhoni became one of the all-time greats and the benchmark for WK in post-Gilchrist era even though you will find better WK batsmen than him in all Test nations.

This is how Jasprit Bumrah has somehow entered the GOAT conversation even though they are several active fast bowlers who are as good as him.

Joe Root will be targeted over the coming years and we the non-Indian stakeholders in cricket have a responsibility towards him and towards English cricket to ensure that when he surpasses Sachin Tendulkar, he gets his due credit and the Indian voices who attempt to make him look a lesssr batsman in comparison are muffled.
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Because you and several here think Indian propoganda/media/S M Influencers/generic public have a lot of free time at their disposal and have nothing better to do than to go out there to tarnish Joe Root's accomplishments/achievement or as you have mentioned above 'make Joe Root as a lesser batsman' or will do the same whenever (note - i have used the word 'whenever' and not 'if') He surpasses Sachin Tendulkar's record of max runs....

By the same yardstick....

Could you also englighten us lesser mortals how the same Indian propoganda/media/S M Influencers/generic public did their gymnastics showing Wasim Akram 'as a lesser bowler' now that Mitchell Starc has overtaken his record as having the max number of test wickets as as left arm paceman?

Or conversely how the same Indian propoganda/media/S M Influencers/generic public will now be showing Mitchell Starc as greater than Wasim Akram, now that he holds the record for the max test wickets as a LH paceman?

just a chota sa sawaal....from the back benchers association....appreciate your answers :) :ifticool :gilly:yk2:faf
 
Yes , because of the Indian fans, Temu Tendulkar could not score runs despite getting multiple opportunities including the help of the umpire in single innings. :klopp :kp
 
Joe Root is having another atrocious Ashes Down Under. Needs to pull his socks in the next 2 tests or else there will be big asterisk on his legacy
 
NishanKonar said:
Joe Root is having another atrocious Ashes Down Under. Needs to pull his socks in the next 2 tests or else there will be big asterisk on his legacy
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asterix will still be there as people will say its a dead rubber.

He has been disappointing without a doubt.

How big the asterix will be, depends on how his career finishes.
 
Temu Tendulkar to Australia- Give me A road pitch along with missing atleast 2 top bowler otherwise how can I score the runs in australia. :klopp :kp
 
Replace 'India' with 'Tendulkar fans' in the title.
Why should Indians bother about Joe Root’s reputation?
 
Root has 8 Test centuries at the home of cricket while Tendulkar has none.

Root cemented his legend years ago, while Tendulkar was stats padding for his records against the mighty Kenya and Namibia to name but a few. (Root never stopped this low!)
 
In the movie 'Final Destination' the task in front of the main characters is assist, co ordinate and prevent any freak accidents happening to enable one of the other pregnant characters to give birth to her child.

This is because the new birth would break the cycle of deaths that all of them were caught in and give hope to those who were in that loop of death.

When she finally gives birth,the other characters are cheering and the lady after having overcome the emotion of the birth looks around, is gobsmacked and asks 'who on earth are these guys? and why are they cheering for my baby's birth?"

When Joe Root breaks the record of Sachin (notice, i have used If and not when), he will raise his bat to acknowledge the appreciation of the genuine cricket lovers including several million indians...

When he finally over comes the emotion, he will be similarly gobsmacked ' who the fridge are these guys" to see the random cheering of those who consider him their newest Abbu, for whom he represents some sort of hope as he has defeated a record held by an Indian. :ua

When you think of it,

Hilarious!!:faf:afridi
 
Technics 1210 said:
Root has 8 Test centuries at the home of cricket while Tendulkar has none.

Root cemented his legend years ago, while Tendulkar was stats padding for his records against the mighty Kenya and Namibia to name but a few. (Root never stopped this low!)
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And how many test runs did he 'stat pad' against 'mighty Kenya and Namibia'....

whilst at it, can you also name the other 'few' against whom Sachin Stat padded but Root never 'stopped' this low!"

For that matter how many ODI runs did he score agains both teams, in how many matches?

So as per you if India was scheduled to play Kenya and Namibia in a WC tournament - the entire team should be AO for O - else they are stat padding, or even forfeit the match - for the stat pad stain not to be associated with Sachin or the entire team?

So what happens when your team plays USA or Nepal or Italy or venezuela or Saudi Arabia- should those records never count?
 
Root has already cemented his name among some of the greatest Test batters...
 
Such a waste yet Sachinistas are still posting cos they are worried. The truth is about to smack them.

I expect more Sachinistas to have epic meltdowns.
 
1 century and then goes missing.

His parents gave an interview after his century and were over the moon, I bet they're feeling awful now, one minute up and one minute down.

Your son is not that good.
 
In all honesty, Joe Root is one of the Top 30 test batters ever. Maybe even Top 20.

Top 10 is tough. He's been a failure in Australia all his life and its embarrassing.
 
Bhaijaan said:
In all honesty, Joe Root is one of the Top 30 test batters ever. Maybe even Top 20.

Top 10 is tough. He's been a failure in Australia all his life and its embarrassing.
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Top 10 would be fair. I mean look at his average, it is 51+
 
Post 1970,

Tendulkar
S Smith
Lara
Viv Richards
Gavaskar
Greg Chappell
Ponting
Sangakkara
Kallis
Border
S Waugh
Dravid
Root

He is outside top 10 batsman even from 1970 onwards. Overall, he is probably just around the top 25 batters.
 
Ab Fan said:
Post 1970,

Tendulkar
S Smith
Lara
Viv Richards
Gavaskar
Greg Chappell
Ponting
Sangakkara
Kallis
Border
S Waugh
Dravid
Root

He is outside top 10 batsman even from 1970 onwards. Overall, he is probably just around the top 25 batters.
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Thats about right.
 
hassan918 said:
Top 10 would be fair. I mean look at his average, it is 51+
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I am not sure.
Is he even Top 5 since 2000s?

Sachin, Lara, Ponting, Kallis are definitely ahead of him.

Sangakkara, Dravid - Arguably better or equal

Smith, Williamson from this era are neck to neck with him. He's not decisively better than any of them.

And we are only in 2000s.

Go back decades and you are discussing Sobers, Gavaskar, Border, Chappel, Pollock, Richards etc.
 
Root is basically the batting version of Anderson, he has longevity but no record which separates him from any other batter. Actually most other ATG batters average more than him both both overall and in away matches.



@Mamoon
 
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Honestly, Smith and Root are both unimpressive batters and collectively its bit embarrassing for this era.

One of them had the average hype. The other one has the runs machine hype due to high number of matches he plays.
Take away Smith's average and if Root's volume, there's not much to remember as a cricket fan. Their stroke play is average. Very low intensity batters. No flare. No passion.

Sachin, Lara, Ponting had flare. They had moments they took things personally and performed at levels neither of the two haven't.

Virat was the one batter from this era who had the personality and aura to match past legends but his average got wrecked by one flaw in his batting.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Honestly, Smith and Root are both unimpressive batters and collectively its bit embarrassing for this era.

One of them had the average hype. The other one has the runs machine hype due to high number of matches he plays.
Take away Smith's average and if Root's volume, there's not much to remember as a cricket fan. Their stroke play is average. Very low intensity batters. No flare. No passion.

Sachin, Lara, Ponting had flare. They had moments they took things personally and performed at levels neither of the two haven't.

Virat was the one batter from this era who had the personality and aura to match past legends but his average got wrecked by one flaw in his batting.
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Naah Steve Smith had 2 legendary series - 1 in India ( 2017 ) and 1 in England ( 2019 )

He deserves his place in the pantheon of greats !
 
A lot of new age fans get carried away by stats & social media. So they start overhyping present day players & start trash talking legends

I guess how people realise scoring 6 test tons in Australia is not a joke. Yes Sachin is over glorified by Indian fans but that does not take away from what he actually delivered on the pitch
 
Vikram1989 said:
Ab was there in 3 series win over aus.He performed magnificently in all conditions where as root was dependent on flat tracks to inflate his avg.Root didn't do much against a stronger attacks for his entire career.
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Bhaijaan said:
Honestly, Smith and Root are both unimpressive batters and collectively its bit embarrassing for this era.

One of them had the average hype. The other one has the runs machine hype due to high number of matches he plays.
Take away Smith's average and if Root's volume, there's not much to remember as a cricket fan. Their stroke play is average. Very low intensity batters. No flare. No passion.

Sachin, Lara, Ponting had flare. They had moments they took things personally and performed at levels neither of the two haven't.

Virat was the one batter from this era who had the personality and aura to match past legends but his average got wrecked by one flaw in his batting.
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As far as batsmanship is concerned there is absolutely no comparison because Sachin was a revolutionary batter in Odi cricket too and was a boy wonder.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
As far as batsmanship is concerned there is absolutely no comparison because Sachin was a revolutionary batter in Odi cricket too and was a boy wonder.
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True that. Sachin was an eye catching batter.
Perfect technique, audacious cricketing shots timed to perfection.

Purely from strokeplay point of view, there is no comparison.

In fact, Virat leaves all of the other Fab 4 behind in strokeplay.
Sachin wasn't overshadowed by anyone. Yes, many people liked Lara's backlift but almost everyone acknowledges Sachin looked way better and near perfect.
 
Ab Fan said:
Post 1970,

Tendulkar
S Smith
Lara
Viv Richards
Gavaskar
Greg Chappell
Ponting
Sangakkara
Kallis
Border
S Waugh
Dravid
Root

He is outside top 10 batsman even from 1970 onwards. Overall, he is probably just around the top 25 batters.
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Sangakkara is overrated to be honest in tests...he mostly did bangladesh bashing...I will take yk over him in tests....but if you combine odi plus tests then sangakkara.....
 
Katwalindian said:
Sangakkara is overrated to be honest in tests...he mostly did bangladesh bashing...I will take yk over him in tests....but if you combine odi plus tests then sangakkara.....
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Sangakara dominated many different countries. Not just Bangladesh.

Here are Sanga's stats:

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All said and done, I think despite his underperformance in Australia, we must respect Joe Root for his dominant performance against India over his entire career. He scored close to 750 runs in that 2021 England tour against a really high quality Indian attack and the second best was Rohit Sharma with about 370 odd runs.

That performance should warrant him an ATG status in Test cricket.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Honestly, Smith and Root are both unimpressive batters and collectively its bit embarrassing for this era.

One of them had the average hype. The other one has the runs machine hype due to high number of matches he plays.
Take away Smith's average and if Root's volume, there's not much to remember as a cricket fan. Their stroke play is average. Very low intensity batters. No flare. No passion.

Sachin, Lara, Ponting had flare. They had moments they took things personally and performed at levels neither of the two haven't.

Virat was the one batter from this era who had the personality and aura to match past legends but his average got wrecked by one flaw in his batting.
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Smith had ATG series in tough tours.
 
Katwalindian said:
Sangakkara is overrated to be honest in tests...he mostly did bangladesh bashing...I will take yk over him in tests....but if you combine odi plus tests then sangakkara.....
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YK is not better than Sangakkara in test alone either. His record is brilliant in Australia, England and New Zealand despite not getting enough tours to prove his worth.
 
Root is not top tier like Smith, but he is a fantastic batsman.

He belongs with group of Ponting, Dravid and Sanga etc.

No way 30 batsmen are better than him.

Root has technical flaw which makes it hard for him to score in Aus. His failure in Aus is not a new news. Ponting failied in India big time as well.
 
The one thing I can give Root credit for is that he isn't like a typical English cricketer where a poor series in Australia means he'll live his life like a dementor has scooped out his soul.

He has had 3 poor tours to Australia before this and has remained firm regardless.

So all may not be lost, a permanent blot on his career notwithstanding.
 
Ab Fan said:
YK is not better than Sangakkara in test alone either. His record is brilliant in Australia, England and New Zealand despite not getting enough tours to prove his worth.
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Yk also Don't get Australia tours..... Sanga have around 3000 runs against Bangladesh and zimbabwe and that's the only difference....yk didn't get to bash them plus he had match winning double hundreds in England, India and srilanka..... I Don't think sanga did anything out of world to be rated higher than yk........ yk,dravid an sanga all are equal to me in tests.......
 
Katwalindian said:
Yk also Don't get Australia tours..... Sanga have around 3000 runs against Bangladesh and zimbabwe and that's the only difference....yk didn't get to bash them plus he had match winning double hundreds in England, India and srilanka..... I Don't think sanga did anything out of world to be rated higher than yk........ yk,dravid an sanga all are equal to me in tests.......
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Younis Khan had the same issue as Joe Root. Not many runs / tons in Australia

To be ATG u need to perform against the best team of ur era
 
NishanKonar said:
Younis Khan had the same issue as Joe Root. Not many runs / tons in Australia

To be ATG u need to perform against the best team of ur era
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Younis was unlucky to miss out on the 2009 tour because of his issues with the board and Ijaz Butt, but his record in Australia is nonetheless still excellent. Also, to be a part of one of the worst performing teams in Australia over the last 25 years and still average 50 there across 6 Tests is impressive.

Root scored his first ton in Australia after 16 Tests.
 
People focus too much on Root's record in Australia... what about his record in Bangladesh? :afridi1

He averages 24 there. Bangla Tigers have dominated him :bhajji :asad2

How can he be considered one of the greats with zero centuries in Banglaland? :kp
 
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