[PICTURES] Prostrating oneself or doing sajda after getting to milestones

[Colorblind Genius]

Har baat ka jawaab "the almighty is helping me. I leave everything to the almighty"

Dude, all Muslims hold that faith. Can you just keep it to cricket? Your insights as a batsman are what people are interested to hear, not how strong your faith is.

Maybe his faith is what informs his cricketing performance prominently? A lot of performance relates to ones mindset, and he clearly constructs that around his faith. Nothing wrong in referring to that aspect of his life.

I'd rather he gave a true reflection of himself rather than some generic technical comments that don't mean much.

Anyhow, you're not going to get any revelations from a post match interview

How do you know if he is giving a true reflection of himself?

Not particularly him but some Pak players who perform sajdas at the ground and display praying salat in congregation in the ground, actually break the team curfew and party late night as well.

Which one is their "True reflection"?

Faith is extremely important to Muslims including myself - which is a great thing but some wisdom should be used in our demeanors.

I've hardly seen Hashim Amla or Moeen Ali holding the torch of their faith in their interviews, neither do they perform sajadas in the ground. Not sure how pious of a Muslims they are and how strong is their Islam but they seem to keep their faith as a pvt matter; which IMO, is the right way to go about it.

Otherwise, think about it,

Lets say Kohli prays to his Bhagwan before the game in an interview and a Baber Azam or Rizwan also prays to Allah before the game and asks for divine help - but India wins.

Where would you put your faith, now? Allah gave in for Bhagwan? (Astaghfirullah !)??

Has Allah been more generous towards Tendulkar rather then on, 5 times praying and pious Muslim players?

Or is Bhagwan more powerful than Allah as he managed to bless the Indian team more than what Allah could do for a Muslim Pak team?

Do you see how bad it gets??

This is why there should be a limit in advertising your faith in a sporting events.

It's primarily a competition and display of hard work.

ABSOLUTELY, you can be all Muslim as much as you want; you can pray as much as yo u want, you can thank God as much as you want, you can ask for dua and prayers for divine help, as much as you want, however, IMO, a fair balance in public displaying of these gestures is required.
A Sajda for example, is a matter TOTALLY between God and the person. And it should be done in privacy and in serenity.

Yes, many footballers make a cross sign after scoring a goal or something, good for them, but my Islamic faith is not for display or show off.

If I have scored a century or taken 5 wickets or playing an winning role, I would rather perform a sajda or two rakat naffal salah in a quite corner of the dressing room/pavilion rather than praying in the ground in front of thousands of people and cameras.

May be once is rare while you could say Thank You to your lord on mic so that your fans and public hears it out, but when you repeat it after every 2 sentences then it becomes sorta of a cringe. IMO.

 

[Kroll]

How do you know if he is giving a true reflection of himself?

Not particularly him but some Pak players who perform sajdas at the ground and display praying salat in congregation in the ground, actually break the team curfew and party late night as well.

Which one is their "True reflection"?

Faith is extremely important to Muslims including myself - which is a great thing but some wisdom should be used in our demeanors.

I've hardly seen Hashim Amla or Moeen Ali holding the torch of their faith in their interviews, neither do they perform sajadas in the ground. Not sure how pious of a Muslims they are and how strong is their Islam but they seem to keep their faith as a pvt matter; which IMO, is the right way to go about it.

Otherwise, think about it,

Lets say Kohli prays to his Bhagwan before the game in an interview and a Baber Azam or Rizwan also prays to Allah before the game and asks for divine help - but India wins.

Where would you put your faith, now? Allah gave in for Bhagwan? (Astaghfirullah !)??

Has Allah been more generous towards Tendulkar rather then on, 5 times praying and pious Muslim players?

Or is Bhagwan more powerful than Allah as he managed to bless the Indian team more than what Allah could do for a Muslim Pak team?

Do you see how bad it gets??

This is why there should be a limit in advertising your faith in a sporting events.

It's primarily a competition and display of hard work.

ABSOLUTELY, you can be all Muslim as much as you want; you can pray as much as yo u want, you can thank God as much as you want, you can ask for dua and prayers for divine help, as much as you want, however, IMO, a fair balance in public displaying of these gestures is required.
A Sajda for example, is a matter TOTALLY between God and the person. And it should be done in privacy and in serenity.

Yes, many footballers make a cross sign after scoring a goal or something, good for them, but my Islamic faith is not for display or show off.

If I have scored a century or taken 5 wickets or playing an winning role, I would rather perform a sajda or two rakat naffal salah in a quite corner of the dressing room/pavilion rather than praying in the ground in front of thousands of people and cameras.

May be once is rare while you could say Thank You to your lord on mic so that your fans and public hears it out, but when you repeat it after every 2 sentences then it becomes sorta of a cringe. IMO.

It seems even if they don't want to talk this way or do sajdahs in the ground, there seems to be peer pressure to do so.

It's like there is a template for all the players to follow. When talking in the pressers: thanking the almighty, the seniors, the aunts/uncles, neighbours, declaring the management gave them confidence, they're still learning etc.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It seems even if they don't want to talk this way or do sajdahs in the ground, there seems to be peer pressure to do so.

It's like there is a template for all the players to follow. When talking in the pressers: thanking the almighty, the seniors, the aunts/uncles, neighbours, declaring the management gave them confidence, they're still learning etc.

100% agreed !
It's weird culture of border line hypocrisy and these players are caught in middle of it. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

 

[DeadBall]

It seems even if they don't want to talk this way or do sajdahs in the ground, there seems to be peer pressure to do so.

I have seen at least a couple of times in the recent past when a batsman reached a milestone and didn't prostrate, they got a reminder from the dug out and then did the Sajdah.

It has become less about showing your religion and more about showing off your religion.

 

[MenInG]

For the record, Rizwan did a dua to thank his Creator

 

[Tubs]

My parents (very conservative Pakistani Muslims) were disappointed that Rizwan didn't do sajda, but said 'at least he did dua'. I guess there is some peer pressure to do it, and it is their right to do so if they want to, many Christian footballers do the cross sign thing (sorry, I don't know if it has a name??) and do a prayer in the same way Rizwan did. I'm assuming Hindus may do something similar, but can't recall any Indian/Sri Lankan player doing so in recent years. It's non-issue really, unless a player feels compelled to do a religious gesture due to peer pressure, and this is from an atheist who doesn't like religion all that much.

 

[Ahson8]

My parents (very conservative Pakistani Muslims) were disappointed that Rizwan didn't do sajda, but said 'at least he did dua'. I guess there is some peer pressure to do it, and it is their right to do so if they want to, many Christian footballers do the cross sign thing (sorry, I don't know if it has a name??) and do a prayer in the same way Rizwan did. I'm assuming Hindus may do something similar, but can't recall any Indian/Sri Lankan player doing so in recent years. It's non-issue really, unless a player feels compelled to do a religious gesture due to peer pressure, and this is from an atheist who doesn't like religion all that much.

Rizwan is one of the most religious guys in the team btw

 

[Colorblind Genius]

For the record, Rizwan did a dua to thank his Creator

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I firmly believe this is fair enough and good enough.
Personally, I wouldn't go beyond this point to perform public sajdaas and keep bringing my faith repeatedly in the post or pre match interviews. There is no need.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think prostrating is a beautiful thing and I don't see anything wrong with it.

Only God can judge the intention.

 

[Abdullah719]

Rizwan is one of the most religious guys in the team btw

Yeah. Anyone who has seen him speak for an extended period (in Urdu) knows that he mentions Allah a lot and says Alhamdulillah, etc., even in press conferences and interviews.

He probably doesn’t do it so much when he’s speaking English but his English is quite weak, so it’s generally Urdu with local reporters, interviewers, and audience, so he speaks how he normally does.

 

[Kaka4pope]

Players should celebrate as they want to as long as it isn’t vulgar, a word which has different meanings across sports, as we know.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Nothing wrong with it i feel, as long as it's not shouting and screaming then all good with me, their heart is in the right place whether we think it's right or wrong.

 

[Ahson8]

Yeah. Anyone who has seen him speak for an extended period (in Urdu) knows that he mentions Allah a lot and says Alhamdulillah, etc., even in press conferences and interviews.

He probably doesn’t do it so much when he’s speaking English but his English is quite weak, so it’s generally Urdu with local reporters, interviewers, and audience, so he speaks how he normally does.

Yep, and you can see he means it, he doesn't do it to come off as a religious person or anything.

 

[Saj]

Rizwan is one of the most religious guys in the team btw

And humble too.

A real gentleman.

 

[Kroll]

And humble too.

A real gentleman.

And competitive on the field.

A real warrior.

 

[Snowflake]

For the record, Rizwan did a dua to thank his Creator

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But, who really cares, MenIng? Why would anyone be concerned about how thankful he is to his creator? We're evaluating him on his cricketing abilities, not on how strong his faith is.

 

[Ahson8]

And humble too.

A real gentleman.

Yeah, he seems like a gem of a person in addition to being a top player.

 

[Snowflake]

It seems even if they don't want to talk this way or do sajdahs in the ground, there seems to be peer pressure to do so.

It's like there is a template for all the players to follow. When talking in the pressers: thanking the almighty, the seniors, the aunts/uncles, neighbours, declaring the management gave them confidence, they're still learning etc.

So nauseating. It's like hearing a broken record. Even Rizwan's chirping behind the stumps are mostly around "alhumdulliah, mashallah". It is just a reflection of how religion-obsessed our society has become as a whole.

 

[Hasan123]

Don’t have any issue with Rizwan making duaa. Also like when players make Sajida after a milestone.

 

[aloo paratha]

Why does it matter? Why don't we leave peoples religiosity to themselves?

 

[aloo paratha]

So nauseating. It's like hearing a broken record. Even Rizwan's chirping behind the stumps are mostly around "alhumdulliah, mashallah". It is just a reflection of how religion-obsessed our society has become as a whole.

What's wrong with being religious? And how religious Pakistan has become? Pakistan has always been an Islamic country.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

So nauseating. It's like hearing a broken record. Even Rizwan's chirping behind the stumps are mostly around "alhumdulliah, mashallah". It is just a reflection of how religion-obsessed our society has become as a whole.

LOL. Pakistan has always been a religious country. What were you expecting? What a snowflake you are.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

How do you know if he is giving a true reflection of himself?

Not particularly him but some Pak players who perform sajdas at the ground and display praying salat in congregation in the ground, actually break the team curfew and party late night as well.

Which one is their "True reflection"?

Faith is extremely important to Muslims including myself - which is a great thing but some wisdom should be used in our demeanors.

I've hardly seen Hashim Amla or Moeen Ali holding the torch of their faith in their interviews, neither do they perform sajadas in the ground. Not sure how pious of a Muslims they are and how strong is their Islam but they seem to keep their faith as a pvt matter; which IMO, is the right way to go about it.

Otherwise, think about it,

Lets say Kohli prays to his Bhagwan before the game in an interview and a Baber Azam or Rizwan also prays to Allah before the game and asks for divine help - but India wins.

Where would you put your faith, now? Allah gave in for Bhagwan? (Astaghfirullah !)??

Has Allah been more generous towards Tendulkar rather then on, 5 times praying and pious Muslim players?

Or is Bhagwan more powerful than Allah as he managed to bless the Indian team more than what Allah could do for a Muslim Pak team?

Do you see how bad it gets??

This is why there should be a limit in advertising your faith in a sporting events.

It's primarily a competition and display of hard work.

ABSOLUTELY, you can be all Muslim as much as you want; you can pray as much as yo u want, you can thank God as much as you want, you can ask for dua and prayers for divine help, as much as you want, however, IMO, a fair balance in public displaying of these gestures is required.
A Sajda for example, is a matter TOTALLY between God and the person. And it should be done in privacy and in serenity.

Yes, many footballers make a cross sign after scoring a goal or something, good for them, but my Islamic faith is not for display or show off.

If I have scored a century or taken 5 wickets or playing an winning role, I would rather perform a sajda or two rakat naffal salah in a quite corner of the dressing room/pavilion rather than praying in the ground in front of thousands of people and cameras.

May be once is rare while you could say Thank You to your lord on mic so that your fans and public hears it out, but when you repeat it after every 2 sentences then it becomes sorta of a cringe. IMO.

First off, your post here implies that he's 'advertising' his faith. How do you know if it's a genuine feeling he has, unless you're a mind reader?

To allege that he's somehow trying to do some type of 'faith PR' is at best presumptuous and at worst, incredibly judgemental.

This follows through to your wider point about the players faith based statements and the perceived hypocrisy. Im a flawed enough person to not be perfect. Why then should you and I :

a) hold these lads to a different, angelic standard and
b) Make assumptions about their sincerity when we don't know the whole picture about what's in their hearts

I admire that Rizwan, tries to link his successes to his faith. It's one mechanism for sportsmen to ground themselves, not get arrogant and lose focus. Other non-faith attuning sportsmen cling to concepts of 'Just focus on the next game' to do the same

As regards faith ultimately being a private matter, a sajda can also be a deeply instinctive thank you gesture. Whilst keeping ones faith private is preferred, we are creatures of emotion. And thus a Rizwan instinctively doing a Sajda may well be an expression of relief rather than some premeditated humility PR. The point is that we do not know, and thus cannot judge, even if it may 'appear' cringe.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

So nauseating. It's like hearing a broken record. Even Rizwan's chirping behind the stumps are mostly around "alhumdulliah, mashallah". It is just a reflection of how religion-obsessed our society has become as a whole.

He's going to express himself in how he feels naturally. Curious how that's 'nauseating'. Im sure we all individual traits that are far less appealing than the example of Rizwan you've just given.

The mist important tj8ng to remember is, he uses these expressions to ground himself and stay positive. I can't see how that's a bad thing.

 

[Ahson8]

Why does it matter? Why don't we leave peoples religiosity to themselves?

Yeah it doesn't matter but I find it funny people pointing out he didn't do sajda considering he is one of the most religious in the team.

 

[observer1]

Some of the comments here are ridiculous but I'm glad most seem to be on the ball

Pakistan is a Conservative society. Getting a century is a very important milestone for a cricketer. Makes sense for them to do Saida. Good for them.

Anyone having an issue is just being snobby and reading too into jt

 

[Nado_]

Some of the comments here are ridiculous but I'm glad most seem to be on the ball

Pakistan is a Conservative society. Getting a century is a very important milestone for a cricketer. Makes sense for them to do Saida. Good for them.

Anyone having an issue is just being snobby and reading too into jt

Exactly bro, some people here really need to think what they’re about to post before posting. To some of those posters - You’ve got a problem with a fellow Muslim thanking his creator in one of the purest form to do so?- a sajda. They’ve worked their whole lives to get to where they are and when they reach their milestone a century whilst - playing at the highest level for their country the first thing they do is recognise it’s all from Allah and want to thank Allah, SubhanAllah we should be pleased to see these actions.
And those who are saying they do it all for the cameras, well you people are not mind readers so leave that between them and Allah.

 

[moghul]

For the record, Rizwan did a dua to thank his Creator

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Its his and every other cricketer's personal choice how he wants to react after reaching a mile stone, but I'm happy Rizwan proved that Pakistanis doen't HAVE to do sajda, its not in the constitution of the country and not required by any religion .

 

[NoBallZombie]

It’s everyone’s personal choice. If I were scoring centuries and taking wickets, I would do a sajdah but I wouldn’t judge anyone’s imaan if they don’t do the same. Not sure why people want to impose their ways on others. Yes it’s a private matter which means people are free to express their feelings as they want.

 

[Nado_]

It’s everyone’s personal choice. If I were scoring centuries and taking wickets, I would do a sajdah but I wouldn’t judge anyone’s imaan if they don’t do the same. Not sure why people want to impose their ways on others. Yes it’s a private matter which means people are free to express their feelings as they want.

Agree, like I said no one should criticise someone doing sajdah and no one can question their intention unless they have 100% absolute proof which they don’t.

I also agree that if someone does not perform the sajdah then you can questions someone’s imaan because of this, that is a very uneducated stance to take as this is between them and Allah what level their imaan is etc, we have no right to question this especially based on this scenario.

 

[Snowflake]

What's wrong with being religious? And how religious Pakistan has become? Pakistan has always been an Islamic country.

I never said there is anything wrong in being religious. It's the obsession with bringing religion into every argument or action is what is problematic. How have to ridiculously naive to not see the direction that Pakistan is moving towards - and it's quite scary

 

[Snowflake]

LOL. Pakistan has always been a religious country. What were you expecting? What a snowflake you are.

Weird argument. Isn't Christianity the official religion in the UK? Are you always surprised that their players don't do any such thing?

I expect our cricketers to stay the way they were in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. And not blindly follow a trend that was introduce by a handful of cricketers in the 2000s

 

[Suleiman]

Its his and every other cricketer's personal choice how he wants to react after reaching a mile stone, but I'm happy Rizwan proved that Pakistanis doen't HAVE to do sajda, its not in the constitution of the country and not required by any religion .

Agree with you, but I think reason he didn’t do sajda might be due to covid, he didn’t want to expose his nasal airways to a surface people walk on with their shoes with dirt and whatnot. There’s sweat, spit etc down there too.

Not sure though.

 

[NoBallZombie]

I never said there is anything wrong in being religious. It's the obsession with bringing religion into every argument or action is what is problematic. How have to ridiculously naive to not see the direction that Pakistan is moving towards - and it's quite scary

Ummm, what exactly is that direction?

Islam is a way of life, so wouldnt you expect to see it being reflected on a cricket field? That is like saying, hey if you achieve something at your workplace, you shouldnt thank the Almighty or shouldnt do sajdah. These guys play cricket for a living and when they succeed, they rightfully thank Allah in whatever way they think connects them. You or I should not have a say in that.

 

[Snowflake]

The problem is with you, not Rizwan.

Ummm, what exactly is that direction?

Islam is a way of life, so wouldnt you expect to see it being reflected on a cricket field? That is like saying, hey if you achieve something at your workplace, you shouldnt thank the Almighty or shouldnt do sajdah. These guys play cricket for a living and when they succeed, they rightfully thank Allah in whatever way they think connects them. You or I should not have a say in that.

The direction where everything we do gets judged based on religious principals. If you do not see a problem in that, I can't help you.

And no, I don't want religion to be reflected on the cricket field. Because it's a cricket field. Everything has its own place.

Any way, this is a topic on which people have very different and very rigid opinions. People also get triggered easily and unsurprisingly resort to childish retorts - not sure if it's helpful taking the discussion forward

 

[Ashmal]

So people...don't have any issue with someone like Kohli hurling abuses after every wicket or 100....they call it a display of so-called aggression.

But they can't digest someone humbly thanking the Almighty Allah after reaching a milestone.

It should be left upto the player to decide how they celebrate...who are we to impose our thoughts on them

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

For the record, Rizwan did a dua to thank his Creator

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A lot more tasteful.

 

[guna]

So people...don't have any issue with someone like Kohli hurling abuses after every wicket or 100....they call it a display of so-called aggression.

But they can't digest someone humbly thanking the Almighty Allah after reaching a milestone.

It should be left upto the player to decide how they celebrate...who are we to impose our thoughts on them

Whether a player prays or hurls abuses, it’s just an emotion. No point in reading too much into it.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

It seems even if they don't want to talk this way or do sajdahs in the ground, there seems to be peer pressure to do so.

It's like there is a template for all the players to follow. When talking in the pressers: thanking the almighty, the seniors, the aunts/uncles, neighbours, declaring the management gave them confidence, they're still learning etc.

Effects of radicalization and doctorineing

 

[Ashmal]

Whether a player prays or hurls abuses, it’s just an emotion. No point in reading too much into it.

Yeah exactly, it should be left upto the player how he wants to celebrate.

I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of some people who are ok with the abuses but find a sajdah annoying

 

[Varun]

How do you know if he is giving a true reflection of himself?

Not particularly him but some Pak players who perform sajdas at the ground and display praying salat in congregation in the ground, actually break the team curfew and party late night as well.

Which one is their "True reflection"?

Faith is extremely important to Muslims including myself - which is a great thing but some wisdom should be used in our demeanors.

I've hardly seen Hashim Amla or Moeen Ali holding the torch of their faith in their interviews, neither do they perform sajadas in the ground. Not sure how pious of a Muslims they are and how strong is their Islam but they seem to keep their faith as a pvt matter; which IMO, is the right way to go about it.

Otherwise, think about it,

Lets say Kohli prays to his Bhagwan before the game in an interview and a Baber Azam or Rizwan also prays to Allah before the game and asks for divine help - but India wins.

Where would you put your faith, now? Allah gave in for Bhagwan? (Astaghfirullah !)??

Has Allah been more generous towards Tendulkar rather then on, 5 times praying and pious Muslim players?

Or is Bhagwan more powerful than Allah as he managed to bless the Indian team more than what Allah could do for a Muslim Pak team?

Do you see how bad it gets??

This is why there should be a limit in advertising your faith in a sporting events.

It's primarily a competition and display of hard work.

ABSOLUTELY, you can be all Muslim as much as you want; you can pray as much as yo u want, you can thank God as much as you want, you can ask for dua and prayers for divine help, as much as you want, however, IMO, a fair balance in public displaying of these gestures is required.
A Sajda for example, is a matter TOTALLY between God and the person. And it should be done in privacy and in serenity.

Yes, many footballers make a cross sign after scoring a goal or something, good for them, but my Islamic faith is not for display or show off.

If I have scored a century or taken 5 wickets or playing an winning role, I would rather perform a sajda or two rakat naffal salah in a quite corner of the dressing room/pavilion rather than praying in the ground in front of thousands of people and cameras.

May be once is rare while you could say Thank You to your lord on mic so that your fans and public hears it out, but when you repeat it after every 2 sentences then it becomes sorta of a cringe. IMO.

POTW. Might I add that the footballer cross thing is a quick gesture and not as extended as the Sajda.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Insecure Pakistanis always trying to suck up to the west.

If a player wants to do sajda or any other religious gesture is his choice. Mind your own business.

 

[Madplayer]

So nauseating. It's like hearing a broken record. Even Rizwan's chirping behind the stumps are mostly around "alhumdulliah, mashallah". It is just a reflection of how religion-obsessed our society has become as a whole.

You dont want religious people to be religion obsessed?

 

[Bilal7]

I question the sanity of people who have issues with how a player chooses to celebrate the culmination of hours of hard work. As long as it isn't offensive, there never has and never will be a restriction on celebrations. Yet, people who have never accomplished anything that would warrant a celebration have issues with what the likes of Rizwan do and don't do after scoring a hundred.

The fact that this thread reached six pages is just sad.

 

[Madplayer]

POTW. Might I add that the footballer cross thing is a quick gesture and not as extended as the Sajda.

So speed of gesture is a factor here?

 

[Bilal_103]

So speed of gesture is a factor here?

speed sajdas incoming lool

 

[Varun]

So speed of gesture is a factor here?

Yeah. You're playing a sport and there are 10-20 others on the field, be it cricket or football - just get it over with quick. Especially if you're doing it as some sort of peer pressure move anyway.

 

[Nado_]

Insecure Pakistanis always trying to suck up to the west.

If a player wants to do sajda or any other religious gesture is his choice. Mind your own business.

You said it perfectly, thankfully they are the minority who act or think like this but they love to voice it out on forums lol

 

[silentkiller187]

Who are we to judge how players act and what kind of relationship they have with god. If someone wants to make a cross when they score a goal or do dua or prostrate that is entirely up to them. People getting cringed or feeling sick at the sight of others thanking God or other gestures says enough about your own character

 

[burger_uno]

i have mixed feelings about this. first, are personal milestones in a team sport or any sport for that matter worthy of homage to the divine? i can understand heart surgeons doing sajda after a difficult operation but do sportsman perform a task which is remotely beneficial to society in anyway? and what if those sportsmen are characters like amir and salman butt who were one of the earliest practitioners of sajda in pak team?

there is also matter of importance of milestones in cricket. there were couple of instances i can recall from late 90s/early 00's when i heard recently retired aussie cricketers claim during commentary that players from south asia cared too much about personal milestones and opposition can take advantage of this trait. moreover, exuberant celebration after personal achievement in a team sport seems a bit odd given a job of an athlete is to contribute to team success. a hundred achieved on a batting paradise in a drawn test match carries far less importance than a rearguard action that results in saving of a test match.

i have also noticed that as standards have gone down in pak cricket, the exuberance of celebration has increased in proportion. to me there is a correlation between the two. gun players like steve waugh, miandad and imran khan never made a song and dance. this attitude should be communicated to players who certainly don't seem to be aware of the ethos of team sport.

having said all that, it is not for me to judge people. character should be judged by action and not be by ability to speak english or by method of celebration. there might also be a question of peer pressure which was certainly the case under inzimam. however in the context of pak, its better to let this topic slide.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

From a sensibility point of view it really is a bit crass. I like Rizwan's gesture, raise your bat, do a little prayer stood up without going into full 3rd world mode and move on.

The players should get some tattoos and an attitude.

 

[Bilal_103]

You said it perfectly, thankfully they are the minority who act or think like this but they love to voice it out on forums lol

I dont understand why people cant just do what they want I'm sure nobody will mind if you're doing a sajda when it comes to non Pakistani teams.

 

[Ahmed_99]

Does it really matter if someone does Sajda or not? It's none of our business and we shouldn't slam a player if they don't. Don't know why people are making it into such a big issue. Just move on and focus on more important stuff

 

[Colorblind Genius]

From the Islamic perspective, if we spend our ENTIRE lives in one long sajda, be that 80 years or 90 or a 100 years, we still cannot God Thank enough for the blessings. Correct?

So if an entire life long sajda (that we should do) is not enough then what should we do meet this obligation?

Even if we want to do an 80 years long sajda, we are unable to do so. We have a need to sleep, eat, use the restroom, provide for our families etc.

The question then again is, how do we meet this obligation of Thanking God "by the route of a Sajda"?

(There are other ways to Thank God, but we are not talking about them. We are specifically talking about Thanking God through a Sajda).

So, should we put an alarm on that we will perform a sajda after every 15 minutes, after every 30 minutes, after ever 45 minutes?
Should we perform sajda whenever we have time?
Should we perform Sajda whenever we are reminded by a friend?
Should we perform a sajda at every breath?

There are so many routes but none seems to be feasible or sounds right.

And hence God has resolved this issue when he asked us to perform 5 times daily salah.

This should quench one's thirst of giving sajdas.
If you perform 5 daily salahs on time and with focus, you won't be questioned about doing any additional sajdas as a token to extend your Thanks.

God told us that these Sajdas are enough, now go and try to live your practical life as my guidance.

But here, we are actually putting a value on our additional Sajda.

"OH God, if I score 50 I will perform a sajda. But if I get out 49? Sorry, no Sajda"

Is the worth of your Sajda in the middle of the pitch, a mere 50 runs, or a 5 wickets?

IMO, this is making fun of your faith.

Yes, I am NOT asking them to don't perform Sajdas on the ground. Who am I to stop them?

They are free to perform a sajdas.
Matter of fact, they can and they should perform a sajda after every run, and pray two rakaat naffal on the pitch after scoring a 50, and pray taraveeh on the pitch after scoring a 100.

However, this dramay baazi on the pitch in the name of "Celebration" does not impress me.

This is my personal opinion and I am not enforcing my ideology on anyone.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Its his and every other cricketer's personal choice how he wants to react after reaching a mile stone, but I'm happy Rizwan proved that Pakistanis doen't HAVE to do sajda, its not in the constitution of the country and not required by any religion .

Lets hope this spreads on to others and we learn how to strike a fair balance between sports and religion.

A lot more tasteful.

Definitely yes.
IMO, this great gesture by Rizwan seems to have a genuine honesty, purity and sincerity.

 

[in_cutter]

Why is this even a problem?

It is a individual’s personal choice.

 

[in_cutter]

From a sensibility point of view it really is a bit crass. I like Rizwan's gesture, raise your bat, do a little prayer stood up without going into full 3rd world mode and move on.

The players should get some tattoos and an attitude.

So going into prostration is 3rd world action? What are you smoking?

 

[in_cutter]

Who are we to judge how players act and what kind of relationship they have with god. If someone wants to make a cross when they score a goal or do dua or prostrate that is entirely up to them. People getting cringed or feeling sick at the sight of others thanking God or other gestures says enough about your own character

Exactly. I honestly do not understand what the issue is here.

 

[in_cutter]

A lot more tasteful.

Explain what is distasteful about by performing sajda?

 

[in_cutter]

The direction where everything we do gets judged based on religious principals. If you do not see a problem in that, I can't help you.

And no, I don't want religion to be reflected on the cricket field. Because it's a cricket field. Everything has its own place.

Any way, this is a topic on which people have very different and very rigid opinions. People also get triggered easily and unsurprisingly resort to childish retorts - not sure if it's helpful taking the discussion forward

It looks like you are the one triggered by Pakistani players going into sajda.

 

[Shazzam]

Why is this even a problem?

It is a individual’s personal choice.

While that's true when nearly every cricketer does it, it does not come across as a personal choice. And even if it's there personal choice we as fans don't need to like it.

 

[moghul]

I don't like to comment on religious matters, any religion , but this Sajda on the cricket ground is nothing to do with religion and a thing started by some Pakistani player about 10-15 years ago and all players seems to be compelled to follow it.

Wish they stop doing it, looks quite awkward TBO.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

While that's true when nearly every cricketer does it, it does not come across as a personal choice. And even if it's there personal choice we as fans don't need to like it.

lol ... I saw even Chanderpaul did it once.

The poor guy must have gotten the queue from commentators who interpreted the Sajda by Pak players as "kissing the ground" to Thank the Pitch for helping them in scoring a 50 or something.

So Chanderpaul thought, let me do it too.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Explain what is distasteful about by performing sajda?

Its like the equivalent of doing the haka. Don't get me wrong really amazing cultural dance but imagine every time a NZ player scored a century and he throws the bat away and starts doing the haka Just a bit silly. They obviously wouldn't do that, its all a bit out of place.

 

[Shazzam]

lol ... I saw even Chanderpaul did it once.

The poor guy must have gotten the queue from commentators who interpreted the Sajda by Pak players as "kissing the ground" to Thank the Pitch for helping them in scoring a 50 or something.

So Chanderpaul thought, let me do it too.

This is a nice story thanks for sharing. I personally feel Cricket is there for entertainment. With our batsmen bring in religion into it gives a wrong message. I'd like our batsmen to do unique celebrations like our bowlers do after every wicket. Not the same old sajda.

 

[MenInG]

Rizwan last night praying during drinks break

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I don't see why is it an issue.
You celebrate the way you want to.. Some look up to skies and thank God.. Some jump and leap in the air.
Sajda is a perfect way to celebrate your achievements as well.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Rizwan last night praying during drinks break

This is absolutely perfectly fine in my opinion.

It’s time for Farz salah, nothing else should take precedence!

 

[MenInG]

Rizwan last night praying during drinks break

These pics taken during drinks break.

 

[Mamoon]

It baffles me how the foreign commentators interpret the sajdah as “kissing the ground”.

Pakistani players have been doing it it for almost two decades now. Surely they would know by now?

Looks like the Pakistani commentators are not interested in addressing their ignorance.

 

[Madplayer]

Yeah. You're playing a sport and there are 10-20 others on the field, be it cricket or football - just get it over with quick. Especially if you're doing it as some sort of peer pressure move anyway.

That just sounds petty. Have you seen Warner's celebrations and how long they last? Apparently Kohli's abuses after scoring a century are cool but someone remembering his God is a problem.

I wouldnt personally do a sajdah after reaching a milestone but the ones raising ridiculous objections are just stretching it too far.

I have a problem with it if players are made to do it under pressure. But if they do it out if free will, i dont see a problem.

 

[Varun]

I wouldnt personally do a sajdah after reaching a milestone but the ones raising ridiculous objections are just stretching it too far.

Going by accounts, you have to, lest you be outcasted in the dressing room and/or by the fans.

All this began in the Inzamam era and was corroborated by players like Shoaib Akhtar and Afridi.

 

[Madplayer]

Going by accounts, you have to, lest you be outcasted in the dressing room and/or by the fans.

All this began in the Inzamam era and was corroborated by players like Shoaib Akhtar and Afridi.

I agree with you on the pressure part. Let me quote myself again,

"I have a problem with it if players are made to do it under pressure. But if they do it out if free will, i dont see a problem."

However, you raised the issue of how fast the celebration should be. A sajdah barely takes 10 seconds at the most. Your point just sounded unreasonable to me and i pointed it out.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan last night praying during drinks break

This is extreme.

He could do his prayers during the innings break in the dressing room. How long does he have in a drinks break to offer Isha prayers anyways?

 

[Rana]

This is absolutely perfectly fine in my opinion.

It’s time for Farz salah, nothing else should take precedence!

He might as well not be playing cricket professionally if thats the case

 

[Madplayer]

This is extreme.

He could do his prayers during the innings break in the dressing room. How long does he have in a drinks break to offer Isha prayers anyways?

He can pray 4 rakaat of Farz only. Barely takes 4 minutes with the smaller surahs.

 

[Rana]

He can pray 4 rakaat of Farz only. Barely takes 4 minutes with the smaller surahs.

Right, debatable. I dont think 4 minutes are sufficient dedication towards Fardh prayers, but I am no mufti to give an absolute verdict.

Rizwan and co can offer prayers with more dedication and time once things settle down after a game, and in a place more suitable such as a prayer hall inside the stadium.

But hey, I dont speak for the sentiments of the hardline Muslims of the Islamic state of Pakistan.

 

[Muhammad10]

From a sensibility point of view it really is a bit crass. I like Rizwan's gesture, raise your bat, do a little prayer stood up without going into full 3rd world mode and move on.

The players should get some tattoos and an attitude.

You seem to expect players to make decisions based on your personal insecurities. Would you like them to change their names to John and David too? How about also getting a douchy haircut while they're at it.
Sadly for you, they don't care about FTB's personal insecurities/inferiority complex.

 

[Hasan]

Why does it matter if they or do not? This is personal matter and nothing to do with anyone else.

 

[Madplayer]

Right, debatable. I dont think 4 minutes are sufficient dedication towards Fardh prayers, but I am no mufti to give an absolute verdict.

Rizwan and co can offer prayers with more dedication and time once things settle down after a game, and in a place more suitable such as a prayer hall inside the stadium.

But hey, I dont speak for the sentiments of the hardline Muslims of the Islamic state of Pakistan.

Do you have a problem with him praying in the ground or do you have a problem with him not dedicating enough time for prayers?

And bro, no offence but praying does not make a person hardline muslim. Praying is the most basic act in Islam.