[PICTURES/VIDEO] Ross Taylor tells umpires that Mohammad Hafeez is chucking

[Mean&Green]

Indians and English can cry by the time the World Cup is over in sha allah professor has chucked us to World Cup glory

 

[Aman]

Isn't straightening = chucking? From those pictures he's straightening his arm, can't tell if it's definitively past 15 degrees but it's got to be close. There's a noticeable difference between those pictures.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

I don't think English media have said anything to be fair, this thread was bumped by one of our sensible Indian members. So I sort of assumed it must be more of a talking point on social media among Indians. I haven't heard a peep in the English press this time.

If this crying is going over the social media in India then I can tell you these pictures have been altered. We all know that many unemployed IT experts sitting in Bangalore & Chennai earning their bread by propagating false things against Pakistan.

 

[nextover666666]

Let the poor Indians cry it's all they do

Funny how they don't mention Ashwin harbajan singh kedar Jadhav and Jasprit Bumrah

 

[Hasan123]

There's no point of crying. I don't know for certain if Hafeez is chucking but Hafeez is a proven cheat. He gets caught chucking then finds a way to pass the ICC test and then goes back to chucking. If it happened once and he never chucked after that there isn't much you could say. But he obviously knows how to bowl without cheating but still does.

Hopefully he isn't convicted chucking this time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

There's no point of crying. I don't know for certain if Hafeez is chucking but Hafeez is a proven cheat. He gets caught chucking then finds a way to pass the ICC test and then goes back to chucking. If it happened once and he never chucked after that there isn't much you could say. But he obviously knows how to bowl without cheating but still does.

Hopefully he isn't convicted chucking this time.

Fault lies with ICC> For each time the punishment should get stricter. 3rd count permanent ban. One of the most bogus process we have is "correcting action" lol I am sure all guys know how to bowl with correct action. They resort to chucking only when they realize it is ineffective.

 

[Grunge101]

Just saw the dismissal on my FB feed (ICC page) and posted here.

Doesn't matter what English media says.

I wouldn't be so confident unless I know what I am talking about.

Look, there is no way we can tell the exact angle of straightening just by looking at tv footage and stills.. We can have an idea if someone is extending the elbow after it crosses the 90 degree line and Im with you there, there is definitely some significant extention going on there..and yes to ny naked eye, it looks more than 15 degrees but then i can never be sure until i have magnified high resolution images and visual angle measurement aids.
Also when you compare those to his first deliverys against RHB, you have to keep in mind his action will be more round arm from that angle and his arm will naturally be lower when hes bowling to the left hander. That can give give the illusion that its flexed more than it is actually.

 

[hur rizvi]

There's no point of crying. I don't know for certain if Hafeez is chucking but Hafeez is a proven cheat. He gets caught chucking then finds a way to pass the ICC test and then goes back to chucking. If it happened once and he never chucked after that there isn't much you could say. But he obviously knows how to bowl without cheating but still does.

Hopefully he isn't convicted chucking this time.

It just means that system is flawed and unless ICC ensures real-time tracking of the flex you can’t weed out this marginal increase in flex.

 

[Jam100]

Thank you! This is the first sensible post on this topic.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Is it more than 15 degrees?

Isn't straightening = chucking? From those pictures he's straightening his arm, can't tell if it's definitively past 15 degrees but it's got to be close. There's a noticeable difference between those pictures.

Look, there is no way we can tell the exact angle of straightening just by looking at tv footage and stills.. We can have an idea if someone is extending the elbow after it crosses the 90 degree line and Im with you there, there is definitely some significant extention going on there..and yes to ny naked eye, it looks more than 15 degrees but then i can never be sure until i have magnified high resolution images and visual angle measurement aids.
Also when you compare those to his first deliverys against RHB, you have to keep in mind his action will be more round arm from that angle and his arm will naturally be lower when hes bowling to the left hander. That can give give the illusion that its flexed more than it is actually.

Ok here's the thing.

Yes, it's true that you cannot predict the extension degree based on 2D images.

Yes, it's true that ONLY real tests can prove without a shadow whether he is chucking or not.

Yes, there is stuff like optical illusion.

But, here's the thing:

All these stuff ONLY apply in marginal cases where the bowler's hand is almost straight and there is a little bit of extension and you are not sure about how much. Saqlain is an exception (whose elbows were bent from start to finish).

Best example is Bilal Asif.

To the eye, he looked like chucking.

BUT.....if you slow down the pics, it was clear he used his wrists a lot which gave the illusion he was bending his arm. His arm wasn't bending much. Here, we can talk about degrees but even that wasn't needed. He looked good (once you slowed down and freezed the images) and tests proved him so.

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Now as for Hafeez, here's something to give you perspective:





See the extension in those pics.

This was back in 2014 when Hafeez was called.

Can you guess how much he clocked in the tests?

Results of over-by-over testing from the report

First over, offspin around the wicket: Average elbow extension 28 degrees
Second over, offspin around the wicket: Average elbow extension 27 degrees
Third over, offspin over the wicket: Average elbow extension 27 degrees
Fourth over, offspin around the wicket: Average elbow extension 26 degrees

The report concluded that the average range of elbow extension was 27 degrees, with a relatively small standard deviation of three degrees. His average upper-arm horizontal flex was recorded at 23 degrees, while the maximum elbow flexion was found to be between 26 and 27 degrees.

Source: Cricinfo.

Average was 26-27.

Now we can argue that the current extension isn't that bad (highly debatable cos they are almost the same - when you compare it to the recent pics I posted)....but the fact remains that no bowler who has had such a massive extension has ever been cleared by ICC's new testing.

Degrees matter only in marginal cases. If you can see extension clearly, it's pretty much a done deal.

Fans who don't care about this is pathetic to see...

He should have banned from bowling for good last time, it was his 2nd or 3rd time being caught in the act, and looks like he is continuing it.

If he plays a further massive role with his chucking in winning us the World Cup, I won't support a team that supports cheating and will look at this World Cup win as a farce.

And then people wonder why our cricketing fraternity isn't looked at so fondly, Ajmal, Hafeez are throwing mud at Pakistan cricket and the sport.

You can't go this route. Not your fault Hafeez was/is chucking. This shouldn't prevent you from denying yourself the joy if Pakistan goes on to do something special in the WC.

By the same token, India's 2 greatest victories post 2000 came with Bhajji in the squad (2001 Aus series and 2011 WC). I don't see Indians disregarding those wins.

Chill brother.

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As for the others getting riled up:

1. Us oldies of the forum call out anyone and everyone regardless of nationality.
2. There is no jealousy involved just because an Indian called Hafeez out.
3. Nothing to do with Pak winning the game (these were talked about even when Pak used to lose).
4. It's understandable that young posters are emotional but think it over and look into the chucking laws and everything will make sense.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Fans who don't care about this is pathetic to see...

He should have banned from bowling for good last time, it was his 2nd or 3rd time being caught in the act, and looks like he is continuing it.

If he plays a further massive role with his chucking in winning us the World Cup, I won't support a team that supports cheating and will look at this World Cup win as a farce.

And then people wonder why our cricketing fraternity isn't looked at so fondly, Ajmal, Hafeez are throwing mud at Pakistan cricket and the sport.

But yeah Hafeez has exploited all the loopholes in the ICC system perfectly.

Prof indeed.

 

[Hawkeye]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

The thing with such images is, you will perceive virtually every off spinner to be 'chucking' if such image series is created.

Try doing that for 2-3 other offspinners, compare the images.

Your naked will say omg he's chucking, but it doesn't work like that.

In the images above it's not clear and blatant re. Hafeez.

Will wait for 2-3 other offspinners.

 

[MRSN]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

The thing with such images is, you will perceive virtually every off spinner to be 'chucking' if such image series is created.

Try doing that for 2-3 other offspinners, compare the images.

Your naked will say omg he's chucking, but it doesn't work like that.

In the images above it's not clear and blatant re. Hafeez.

Will wait for 2-3 other offspinners.

Yeah pictures like these can make Malinga chuck too. You need to watch real time video to make a judgment.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

The thing with such images is, you will perceive virtually every off spinner to be 'chucking' if such image series is created.

Try doing that for 2-3 other offspinners, compare the images.

Your naked will say omg he's chucking, but it doesn't work like that.

In the images above it's not clear and blatant re. Hafeez.

Will wait for 2-3 other offspinners.

Nah not really.

I have DONE it for other spinners in the past.

Swann





Ashwin







Do it for Lyon, Mehdi and anyone who has a clean action and you will see the same.

There will be degree variations for these bowlers but by and large, you will see minimal to negligible extension.

In case of Hafeez, Senanayake, Ajmal, Narine...the extensions were so obvious and hence they were found breaching the mark.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I think I have said everything I need to say.

Up to everyone to make up their minds (whichever direction you wanna go).

Most likely, won't be posting more in this thread (atleast related to submitting proof or posting images or talking about the rules).

Don't wanna relive 2014 all over again.

 

[jonny darko]

In case of Hafeez, Senanayake, Ajmal, Narine...the extensions were so obvious and hence they were found breaching the mark.

Bent arm actions of jadeja & jadhav look flawless to the so-called "sensible" indian fans

Only when pak or bd bowlers pose a threat, they become sense-less. Crying foul to neuter the opposition is an old randian tactic.

 

[Hawkeye]

Nah not really.

I have DONE it for other spinners in the past.

Swann

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Ashwin

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Do it for Lyon, Mehdi and anyone who has a clean action and you will see the same.

There will be degree variations for these bowlers but by and large, you will see minimal to negligible extension.

In case of Hafeez, Senanayake, Ajmal, Narine...the extensions were so obvious and hence they were found breaching the mark.

Swann in that image looks to be chucking, but he isn't. Camera angle.

Hafeez's also doesn't look very clean, but I also don't have a way to say it's 25 degrees or more. Might be borderline.

Anyway, you have your opinion on this.

Posting on this forum also means you'll get attacked and people will start their trash about Ashwin, Harbh, etc. Ignore that.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Swann in that image looks to be chucking, but he isn't. Camera angle.

Hafeez's also doesn't look very clean, but I also don't have a way to say it's 25 degrees or more. Might be borderline.

Anyway, you have your opinion on this.

Posting on this forum also means you'll get attacked and people will start their trash about Ashwin, Harbh, etc. Ignore that.

One small clarification which I forgot to mention.

It's very very critical to see if it's the elbow or wrists being used.

Swann's image is poor quality...but watch closer and you will see his arm is straight as it possibly can be and it's his wrist which is positioned that way. He's the cleanest of them all.

There are tons of better quality videos and when we freeze the images, it will be clear.

I just didn't have the patience to do it and so used what I had on my comp.

Focus just on the elbow and the extension and you won't go wrong.

The first thing I did for Hafeez was confirm whether it was his elbow or wrists but unfortunately for him, it was elbow all the way.

 

[jonny darko]

Let the poor Indians cry it's all they do.

Funny how they don't mention likes of Ashwin, harbhajan singh, kedar Jadhav.

When BD were going unstoppable against india in CT semifinal & Asia cup final, india quickly brought on their below-the-waist, under-arm chucker kedar jadhav. used him vs Pakistan too.

Self-admitted chucker ashwin was dhoni's go-to bowler for years. Ganguly built india's legacy on the overt-chucking of Harbhajan.

using nefarious tactics to undermine & restrict oppositions when they are going well & accusing them of foulplay is a favorite hindustani political weapon, applied freely in all sectors by ALL of them.

 

[tausiif]

It just means that system is flawed and unless ICC ensures real-time tracking of the flex you can’t weed out this marginal increase in flex.

We shall not forget that 15 degree rule is more relevant to fast bowlers like bumra.

 

[tausiif]

But yeah Hafeez has exploited all the loopholes in the ICC system perfectly.

Prof indeed.

First of all 15 degree rule was aimed for fast bowler so that they cannot exact more pace by bending arm. However, 15 degree rule was applied to curb the problem of Dosra. Hafeez is not using dosra and there is no much turn on flat wicket. then whats is problem.

 

[Grunge101]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

Im actually agreeing with you in that it does look like hes straightening his arm significantly, probably more than 15 degrees.
But like i said, its nigh impossible to be certain about the degree.. Comparing with the pictures you posted above of when he was banned before, it does look pretty similar. And then he was way over the limit. So yah i wont be surprised if hes reported again

 

[Smbhayi]

Hahaa Hafeez gonna finesse the cricketing world and there's nothing you guys can do before it's too late

if umpire felt he's chucking then they'll call no ball which will put under pressure both Hafees and Pakistan.. so you should hope they won't call it..

 

[Smbhayi]

If this crying is going over the social media in India then I can tell you these pictures have been altered. We all know that many unemployed IT experts sitting in Bangalore & Chennai earning their bread by propagating false things against Pakistan.

lol you can check yourself it altered or not.. there'll be plenty of highlights on online..

 

[DRsohail]

what is chucking???

You are not the one to decide,If umpires calls it then it is ok,Keyboard expert can only do whining.

 

[Slim]

I think I have said everything I need to say.

Up to everyone to make up their minds (whichever direction you wanna go).

Most likely, won't be posting more in this thread (atleast related to submitting proof or posting images or talking about the rules).

Don't wanna relive 2014 all over again.

I knew the tears would start flowing as soon as Pakistan performs. You guys call each and every Pakistani bowler a chucker if he performs. There are many worlds beyond this forum and im aware of how every pakistan bowler under the sky is called a chucker whenever he performs by indians specifically. Its almost like coping mechanism from you lot.

Hafeez's case aside i even saw comments from your brethern saying that ' Wahab was definitely chucking' when he started taking wickets. Before that it was Shinwari and Junaid. LOL.


You guys need to get over this useless gimmick of yours. I know you livened up this thread for a very specific purpose.

 

[hur rizvi]

We shall not forget that 15 degree rule is more relevant to fast bowlers like bumra.

I definitely want to see bumrahs pics or slow mos. I don’t know whether his action is clean or not but it sure is very ugly

 

[hur rizvi]

I knew the tears would start flowing as soon as Pakistan performs. You guys call each and every Pakistani bowler a chucker if he performs. There are many worlds beyond this forum and im aware of how every pakistan bowler under the sky is called a chucker whenever he performs by indians specifically. Its almost like coping mechanism from you lot.

Hafeez's case aside i even saw comments from your brethern saying that ' Wahab was definitely chucking' when he started taking wickets. Before that it was Shinwari and Junaid. LOL.


You guys need to get over this useless gimmick of yours. I know you livened up this thread for a very specific purpose.

Junaid maybe but Wahab and shinwari both have very clean actions

 

[shaz619]

Nah not really.

I have DONE it for other spinners in the past.

Swann

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Ashwin

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Do it for Lyon, Mehdi and anyone who has a clean action and you will see the same.

There will be degree variations for these bowlers but by and large, you will see minimal to negligible extension.

In case of Hafeez, Senanayake, Ajmal, Narine...the extensions were so obvious and hence they were found breaching the mark.

Ashwin is chucking there mate, this is probably why India played it safe with him before the tournie

 

[Slim]

Ashwin is chucking there mate, this is probably why India played it safe with him before the tournie

Ashwin was smashed out of the ODIs by Pakistan in Champions Trophy. His career has been on a downward spiral since then.

 

[Smbhayi]

You are not the one to decide,If umpires calls it then it is ok,Keyboard expert can only do whining.

I didn't say anyone is chucking.. it's umpires job to call it..

 

[the Great Khan]

This thread should simply be deleted. We all know the chucking controversy was a racist attempt by India to actively discriminate against Pakistan. For years murali and other bowlers were provided rule's to protect them. The white nations also can't stand it when we are successful because of their inherent racism so wholeheartedly went along with it.

 

[Braveheart]

Harbajan, Kumble & Ashwin could easily have represented India in the Olympic Javelin or Shot-Putt events.

 

[Hasan123]

It just means that system is flawed and unless ICC ensures real-time tracking of the flex you can’t weed out this marginal increase in flex.

The system is flawed but Hafeez knows how to take advantage of it.

 

[Hasan123]

Fault lies with ICC> For each time the punishment should get stricter. 3rd count permanent ban. One of the most bogus process we have is "correcting action" lol I am sure all guys know how to bowl with correct action. They resort to chucking only when they realize it is ineffective.

Yes they shouldn't resort to chucking. Once cleared , it's Hafeezs choice to revert to his old action.

 

[Chokli]

I hope Hafeez takes a 5 wicket haul against India

 

[DRsohail]

How can Bumrah generate such pace with no run up at all ?? To me it looks insane stuff, I am notvsure.

 

[arehaan]

How can Bumrah generate such pace with no run up at all ?? To me it looks insane stuff, I am notvsure.

I would love to see him bowl without those arm covers. Something doesn’t seem right about his action. Even Shoaib Akhter was called for chucking and had to go for testing in his career even if it is hyper extension

 

[DRsohail]

I would love to see him bowl without those arm covers. Something doesn’t seem right about his action. Even Shoaib Akhter was called for chucking and had to go for testing in his career even if it is hyper extension

Another thing is that almost every biwler with suspected action have gone through testing in these new rules era but no indians except a drama of Shikar dhawan draam,

 

[DRsohail]

sorry in advance to Fellow Indian posters but i will love Bumrah and Ashqin ti pass through these tests... Have always beieved in equality,, another person is Nunaid khan from pak but he is done and dusted now.

 

[asfandyar]

A leggie can't chuck, it is biomechanically impossible.

On topic, this is a call umpires have to take. I am sure they know more about cricket and chucking than random fans like us. Whatever decision they take it has to be respected. I always thought Harbhajan was a chucker but somehow he never got called, take the recent IPL as example. Maybe there is something we are missing.

Ashwin has a clean action, I can not understand how he is part of the discussion here.

That's a myth though. Shahid Afridi did chuck some in his career. Especially the zooter. Nothing biomechanically prohibits this. And Kumble wasn't your traditional leggie.

 

[asfandyar]

Btw Indians using Hafeez's chucking to downplay Pakistan's victory is cute and precious. Guy took 1/43 at 6.14. I think you guys need to do frame-by-frame analysis of Amir and Wahab's bowling to find kinks.

 

[asfandyar]

The bias here is not whether Hafeez is straightening his arm. As per SIF's images, he definitely is. The bias here is whether he is above the limit. Indians are of the opinion that he is. Pakistani's think otherwise. None of them is sure.

Under these circumstances, you must trust the system (umpires), who have not called out Hafeez. Unless Indian posters here have more experience and knowledge than the umpires (or the computer analysts of the English team), they should focus on creating an alternate version of the Moka Moka ad that finally sees the guy lighting the fireworks.

 

[octavian]

Didn't know that defeating England can cause the Indians to be sore

It's just one match, imagine if we win more matches. Our entire team will be chucking and batting with corked bats.

 

[big_gamer007]

Lol everyone takes unfair advantage, chucking, ball tampering is common. Everyone does it no big deal, ICC can try and control it but this is a batsman game so bowlers try to take unfair advantage to try and balance game.

 

[Braveheart]

Didn't know that defeating England can cause the Indians to be sore

Being born with Green Chillies in their 'Rear-End' could be an explanation.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

Im actually agreeing with you in that it does look like hes straightening his arm significantly, probably more than 15 degrees.
But like i said, its nigh impossible to be certain about the degree.. Comparing with the pictures you posted above of when he was banned before, it does look pretty similar. And then he was way over the limit. So yah i wont be surprised if hes reported again

Yeah, can't predict how much degrees he would clock.

 

[Runner Up]

Forget Hafeez. They (Indians) will say every bowler is chucking. Some losers also said that Wahab was chucking against England.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just saw the dismissal on my FB feed (ICC page) and posted here.

Doesn't matter what English media says.

I wouldn't be so confident unless I know what I am talking about.

I was answering the guy who said that English commentators are always whining, actually in this case they never said a thing. I was just clarifying that no one has made a fuss from the English side, this thread was the first complaint raised as far as I'm aware.

 

[octavian]

I was answering the guy who said that English commentators are always whining, actually in this case they never said a thing. I was just clarifying that no one has made a fuss from the English side, this thread was the first complaint raised as far as I'm aware.

Yep, nothing from the English side.

 

[CricFan2012]

He's innocent until proven guilty.
No need for you to act so emotional.

Is someone really innocent after repeating a crime three times and when we continue to see his crime although the police does nothing?

Stop with the blind nationalism and patriotism and support fair play instead.

 

[CricFan2012]

The bias here is not whether Hafeez is straightening his arm. As per SIF's images, he definitely is. The bias here is whether he is above the limit. Indians are of the opinion that he is. Pakistani's think otherwise. None of them is sure.

Under these circumstances, you must trust the system (umpires), who have not called out Hafeez. Unless Indian posters here have more experience and knowledge than the umpires (or the computer analysts of the English team), they should focus on creating an alternate version of the Moka Moka ad that finally sees the guy lighting the fireworks.

I am a Pakistani and I think he is chucking. SIF has been a top notch poster here for years and has no agenda of hatred, some people actually don't care about borders and flags that much.

Most knowledgeable neutrals I talked to on other media agree with me, that it does look suspicious.

The system has failed us many times before. Ajmal, Narine, Harbhajjan and the likes were chucking for years despite the rule being there because umpires lacked spine, it was not until cricketers started catching on that ICC finally grew one.

Unfortunately the system is too lenient, look at Hafeez for example, he chucks, gets banned, bowls cleanly in tests, proceeds to get unbanned, then starts chucking when the team needs him to or his spot is under fire, rinse and repeat, he's done this 2-3 times already, he is a repeat offender at this point and it makes no sense to allow him to bowl as he will abuse the rule.

 

[zulfiqar]

I've always thought cricketers like Hafeez and Ashwin have chucked.. but I figured that their bowling actions are allowed which is why umpires aren't calling them. Since Hafeez has been called in the past, I would imagine that the umpires are even more aware of him and so would not hesitate to call him if they felt he was chucking - so I have no problems with him bowling! My 2 cents.

 

[PakLFC]

It is never for a player to influence an umpires decision like Ross tried to do. If the umpires have a problem with anyone's bowling action then they should approach the bowler directly. Most likely Ross will again do the same if Hafeez is selected when we play New Zealand. In Football it would be seen as cheating if a player tries to get an opponent booked or sent off.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It’s rather frightening despite two decades of Murali, how so many Pakistanis still have no idea about what chucking is and continue to blindly support players because they belong to them.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Is someone really innocent after repeating a crime three times and when we continue to see his crime although the police does nothing?

Stop with the blind nationalism and patriotism and support fair play instead.

How do you even know if he is chucking??
Let the match officials decide if he is chucking or not. You're not in the position to say if hafeez is chucking or not.
And wdym by "stop with the blind nationalism"?? )
I'm being as unbiased as one can be.

 

[Syed1]

Jasprit Bumrah ball to dismiss Amla today

 

[octavian]

It’s rather frightening despite two decades of Murali, how so many Pakistanis still have no idea about what chucking is and continue to blindly support players because they belong to them.

Oh we do. It's chucking if:

1) If the bowler is Pakistani
2) Pakistan wins

Note: Only certain fans can tell what chucking is by using sophisticated technology such as screen shots and biased glasses.

 

[asfandyar]

I am a Pakistani and I think he is chucking. SIF has been a top notch poster here for years and has no agenda of hatred, some people actually don't care about borders and flags that much.

Most knowledgeable neutrals I talked to on other media agree with me, that it does look suspicious.

The system has failed us many times before. Ajmal, Narine, Harbhajjan and the likes were chucking for years despite the rule being there because umpires lacked spine, it was not until cricketers started catching on that ICC finally grew one.

Unfortunately the system is too lenient, look at Hafeez for example, he chucks, gets banned, bowls cleanly in tests, proceeds to get unbanned, then starts chucking when the team needs him to or his spot is under fire, rinse and repeat, he's done this 2-3 times already, he is a repeat offender at this point and it makes no sense to allow him to bowl as he will abuse the rule.

That is where you are wrong. The system hasn't failed us. The players you have mentioned were bowling legally as per the laws back then. If suddenly a European country bans hijab, all people who used to do hijab do not automatically become criminals.

The rest is your opinion (the seventh word in your post explains why), not facts. Unless you can provide actual measurements of angles, it is worthless. He may or may not be chucking. You can bring 7 billion witnesses, and their testimony will be hearsay (and therefore biased regardless of any disclaimers you provide) unless they can provide actual measurements.

Under such circumstances, it is better to trust the system. The system fails many times. Doesn't mean you adopt vigilantism and start being the judge, jury and executioner. A random poster on PP (no matter how respectable) has far less at stake than the opposing team (England) that did not raise an objection (despite their history of crying after defeats).

One thing I do agree with though. If someone is reported again and again, there needs to be harsher punishment (perhaps 5 year ban).

 

[asfandyar]

It’s rather frightening despite two decades of Murali, how so many Pakistanis still have no idea about what chucking is and continue to blindly support players because they belong to them.

No sir. Frightening is the trend in India where people resort to vigilantism and act as judge, jury and executioners instead of trusting the system. E.g. 1) Lynching Muslims for suspicion of harboring beef. 2) Maligning bowlers for suspicion of chucking.

In both cases, previous infractions do not justify punishment without unequivocal evidence.

 

[Titan24]

Jasprit Bumrah ball to dismiss Amla today

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That doesnt look smooth at all.

Chucking experts? Would you guys please clarify? Also I have asked number of times why nobody objected when Harbhajan chucked his way to 2011 WC title, now some people here want to act like they have all the judgement rights and morality in the world.

 

[Titan24]

Jasprit Bumrah ball to dismiss Amla today

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Would like a halal chucking by Bumrah thread. Many posters have missed this halal checking here, would like to hear their comments.

 

[IMMY69]

I’ve always suspected Bumrah chucks it..

 

[sshakir411]

That doesnt look smooth at all.

Chucking experts? Would you guys please clarify? Also I have asked number of times why nobody objected when Harbhajan chucked his way to 2011 WC title, now some people here want to act like they have all the judgement rights and morality in the world.

The incredibly gifted Indian eyes don’t spot a chuck here. All clear.

You know no machine can beat that damn technology.

 

[DRsohail]

Would like a halal chucking by Bumrah thread. Many posters have missed this halal checking here, would like to hear their comments.

Important thing here? how can he bowl that fast with no runup.

 

[Titan24]

Important thing here? how can he bowl that fast with no runup.

Bending his elbow (Chucking) and strong shoulder rotation. Chucking definitely gives extra yards of pace to fast bowler thus unfair advantage.

Spinners who were banned few years ago for bending their arm was nowhere near as critical as a fast bowler running through and chucking it at pace.

 

[Titan24]

The incredibly gifted Indian eyes don’t spot a chuck here. All clear.

You know no machine can beat that damn technology.

True. Cant wait for the defense from the anti chucking squad regarding this horror image. Bumrah balls from wider the crease with his arm coming from close to the ear so not sure how umpire can see how effectively he is using his elbow.

 

[Abdullah719]

Bumrah's case is hyperextension. Not chucking.

 

[Titan24]

Bumrah's case is hyperextension. Not chucking.

"Experts, however, concluded that 15 degrees was the point where ‘chucking’ became visible to the naked eye. They used cameras shooting 250 frames per second to underline adduction and hyper-extension (bending and straightening of the arm)".

Indian website called hyper-extension as chucking when they wrote an article on Saeed Ajmal.

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cric...tions-15-degrees-of-infamy/article6420383.ece

 

[randomcricketfan]

Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.

I'm pretty sure that Taylor doesn't give a damn about some random guy on internet losing respect for him.

And what is wrong with pointing out a chucker?

 

[Hawkeye]

Jasprit Bumrah ball to dismiss Amla today


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It's not chucking.

This thread is full of aggressive zealots.

Sif pointing out a suspected Chuck does not mean he supports IND chuckers (only Harbh). Others don't Chuck.

 

[Hawkeye]

I'm pretty sure that Taylor doesn't give a damn about some random guy on internet losing respect for him.

And what is wrong with pointing out a chucker?

Your replies are always random.

1. Players can't judge and throw a tantrum on the pitch. Imagine Pak players protesting on the pitch against Bumrah, Kuldeep, other spinners.

2. Hafeez will be a chucker once umpires call him out and he gets the test results. He's not one now.

Stop your random hate filled posts.

 

[randomcricketfan]

Ashwin is chucking there mate, this is probably why India played it safe with him before the tournie

If you say so.

 

[randomcricketfan]

Your replies are always random.

1. Players can't judge and throw a tantrum on the pitch. Imagine Pak players protesting on the pitch against Bumrah, Kuldeep, other spinners.

2. Hafeez will be a chucker once umpires call him out and he gets the test results. He's not one now.

Stop your random hate filled posts.

Hafeez has already been banned like 4 times now, isn't it? Ajmal too. Why do you guys defend chuckers so much?

 

[randomcricketfan]

For all of BCCI's shortcomings, i'm glad that we have the most powerful cricket board in the world. The non stop whining of some makes me laugh.

 

[Mkumar825]

He can chuck all he wants now

Will still play the whole WC even if reported. Masterful planning

The Prof is going to win us the WC

Expected reply from Pak fan knowing history.

 

[Mkumar825]

Let the poor Indians cry it's all they do

Funny how they don't mention Ashwin harbajan singh kedar Jadhav and Jasprit Bumrah

I don't think u little bit know about chucking bcz if you know never mention bhumrah here .

 

[DRsohail]

For all of BCCI's shortcomings, i'm glad that we have the most powerful cricket board in the world. The non stop whining of some makes me laugh.

Does not mean your guys do not chuck and in 2011 baji chucked, we are not here to decide but if you point fingers so can others.

 

[Indiafan]

Jasprit Bumrah ball to dismiss Amla today


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That's the same hyperextension akthar had but to a lesser degree. Bumrah has one of the cleanest actions in world cricket

 

[Grunge101]

Jasprit Bumrah ball to dismiss Amla today


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A bowler can have his elbow bent as much as he likes as long as he doesnt straighten past the 90 degree line when delivering the bowl.. We dont know whether he straightens it more than 15 degrees or any degree for that matter.
You cant just claim a bent arm means chucking. It doesnt. Pictures of hafeez posted above show hes clearly extending the elbow from the flexed position. How much?. We dont know. But it does look very similar to his action in previous years when he was banned and found to be over the limit clearly.