Aman
Test Captain
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- Jan 16, 2013
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Has he banned twice or three times?
He should have been done after the second go tbh.
He should have been done after the second go tbh.
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Khan sahib, racism is a strong charge to go to and not always easy to prove. You know that players talk to umpire about playing conditions.
easy charge. Its clearly anti pakistani racism. Why now? why against a pakistani? its the usual "oh look their crooked , im being a good samaritan and calling out these cheats"..the self righteous mentality! I see it all the time and cricket has it in abundance!!
Hafeez clearly chucks when he wants to and then balls clean when he needs to pass tests. It's very obvious.
Why should'nt Ross Taylor be allowed to complain if he feels Hafeez is chucking, afterall Hafeez is proven chucker who has been found guilty of chucking many times.
Just becuase he does something which is against some Pakistani player, all of sudden he becomes a bad person.
Why should'nt Ross Taylor be allowed to complain if he feels Hafeez is chucking, afterall Hafeez is proven chucker who has been found guilty of chucking many times.
Just becuase he does something which is against some Pakistani player, all of sudden he becomes a bad person.
For gods sake get a grip - he was just stating to his batting partner that was the one that goes the other way.. victim mentality gets you nowhere!!
A professional player shouldn't be caught chucking twice. That makes the bowler a proven cheat if he continues even after being caught and suspended.A professional player such as himself should have had a word with the umpire, instead of throwing a tantrum in the middle of the pitch like a child.
You can't "pass" the test by bowling clean during the test, and chuck in the match.
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Why should'nt Ross Taylor be allowed to complain if he feels Hafeez is chucking, afterall Hafeez is proven chucker who has been found guilty of chucking many times.
Just becuase he does something which is against some Pakistani player, all of sudden he becomes a bad person.
A professional player such as himself should have had a word with the umpire, instead of throwing a tantrum in the middle of the pitch like a child.
I get it if it was a bowler with no history, but if it's a bowler who has been caught multiple times already and is blatantly doing it anyway (not that I saw the incident and can say it was), I would be mad too.He didn't throw any tantrum, he just gestured what he felt, he should have right to do it. He did not protest or do anything which was wrong.
He didn't throw any tantrum, he just gestured what he felt, he should have right to do it. He did not protest or do anything which was wrong.
A professional player shouldn't be caught chucking twice. That makes the bowler a proven cheat if he continues even after being caught and suspended.
People seem to be forgetting Hafeez has been caught and banned TWICE already.
He served a 1 year ban IIRC, and if you go by most posts in match threads by Pakistani fans, he does go back to chucking the odd ball here and there.
Tomorrow, a Pak player would cry on field against an IND spinner and accuse him of chucking.
I'm sure you'll also flock to online forums and make an issue out of it.
This is NOT how it works.
THREE TIMES?I believe Hafeez had been caught 3 times before, but I think (what I see if is the case, not watching live) Ross's approach was wrong - here he tried to bring media attention more than umpires.
Players can definitely complain on bowling action, field placement, NO ball (if umpire isn't calling the obvious ones), wide ball, height of the ball ..... sledging or ball tempering issues - BUT that should be in personal space - 1 on 1 (or 2 on 2 with both his partner & leg umpire, or may be even in presence of fielding Captain). Here I shouldn't say about Hafeez's action as I haven't seen him bowling today, but MoHa had been caught 3 times before and he has done the same thing time and again - pass the test with one action, then cheat in game when going gets tough ...... these are known facts to most players, Umpires (though none will tell it open), so Ross shouldn't have much trouble to raise his point in a close premises. Playing for gallery isn't a good taste.
Lol no.
I'm against chucking. Probably the strictest. Ajmal was a thrower I agree.
But Hafeez cleared his action, bowling with his new action that's perfectly fine. Watch the video above.
So if a batsman is plumb LBW should the bowler raise his finger to the umpire indicating that the batsman is out?
I get it if it was a bowler with no history, but if it's a bowler who has been caught multiple times already and is blatantly doing it anyway (not that I saw the incident and can say it was), I would be mad too.
Don't they do it already .
Like I said a planned move to bring Hafeez to attention of ICC guys... So NZ not too far from their Aussie cousins - maybe they also need to change their culture.
If this leads to Hafeez getting called and banned, then fair play to Taylor for getting rid of a serial cheat/chucker.
If it's proven his action is clean, Taylor owes Hafeez an apology.
Have you faced a butta bowler before? It's fine if they don't know how to bowl and bowl that way, but if they're bowling a lot faster and it's hard to pick up, it's annoying and you usually complain about it. Now imagine an international batsmen having to put up with a chucker at the highest level. It would be frustrating to see a bowler like that at that level picking up wickets.Exactly
They are trying to derail Pakistan’s World Cup strategy.
Hafeez being out of the picture/ “dropped” by PCB was all a hoax, they were delaying his return as close as they could to the World Cup and so Hafeez can not be banned before the tournament
If this leads to Hafeez getting called and banned, then fair play to Taylor for getting rid of a serial cheat/chucker.
If it's proven his action is clean, Taylor owes Hafeez an apology.
You really have no idea how the tests are done, right?
If you're called for a particular delivery, you have to replicate that exact delivery and then you're measured.
You can't "pass" the test by bowling clean during the test, and chuck in the match.
And the delivery on which Ross was crying, it was NOT chucking.
I hope Hafeez is called so he can either 1) prove himself a clean bowler and take that label off him or 2) be caught and banned from bowling for good.
The biomechanic tests have found Hafeez to be chucking 2-3 times.tell me something is Taylor a biomechanics expert? has he assessed actions in the past? Was he umpiring in this match? if the answer to these questions is no, what right does he have to question another professional?
this is racist bullying and discrimination. In any other workplace I would have submitted a grievance and wiped that smug look off his face!!
The NZ players are realistic, they probably know it will be a challenge to make the Semis with the weak middle order. Weakening Pakistan slightly wont make much difference, and may in fact only strengthen them.Exactly
They are trying to derail Pakistan’s World Cup strategy.
Hafeez being out of the picture/ “dropped” by PCB was all a hoax, they were delaying his return as close as they could to the World Cup and so Hafeez can not be banned before the tournament
pre-meditated - and planned by Kiwis to put Hafeez off. If anything this should be investigated
As per what rules?As per the rules, Taylor should be in trouble.
The biomechanic tests have found Hafeez to be chucking 2-3 times.
Agreed
Who remembers Phil Tufnells poster that he made against Pakistan? One of the worst/most offensive things I’ve seen in cricket! These New Zealander’s seem very nice as long as they are winning
Except that P Tufnell is English, not Kiwi.
Was poor from Taylor. Umpires handled it well, hopefully Taylor gets fined heavily wuth a few demeri points.
Batsmen have no right to do what Taylor did. Imagine others start to do the same and start complaining about bowlers action, ball tampering..there's no end to this and go totally out of control.
I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here
The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.
Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.
Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling
In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there
the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place
Hafeez' chucking is unethical.Good leadership by Sarfraz. He rightly went to the umpire.
Whether Hafeez is chucking or not, a player should report it to the match referee, not gesture towards the umpire.
Also, there are other stake holders who are keeping an eye on the bowler.
The behavior by Ross Taylor was unethical.
and he has been cleared as many times. So whats your point? and answer my question. Is Taylor a biomechanics expert? does he have the right to harass another professional?
only sensible post here. Rest are from nationalistic, deluded and overly patriotic pakistani fans.
Hafeez is obviously chucking if you look closely, he has a history of going back to chucking after being banned for goodness sake, if that is not enough then what is?
As pakistani cricket fans do we really want to make ourselves look bad by supporting cheaters? Our image already took a dump after 2010 fixers, and bowling a few no balls is not even that harmful compared to having a massive advantage against batsmen and winning games unfairly.
Ajmal, hafeez, harbhajan, narine are blots to this game, and many others who have chucked in the past, they should not be rated alongside legends like warne.
Even murali looks suspicious, whatever defect he had other teams did not have a special spin bowler like him with a defect, so sri lanka had an advantage whenever he played.
Game should be played fairly, there should be no unfair advantage, it is truly absurd if you 'fans' choose to support these chuckers just for the sake of winning. I would rather lose with clean bowlers than win with chuckers.
Should have just told umpires instead of making gestures and inviting media attention.
The way Sarfraz went up to the umpire and defended Hafeez and also the next couple overs acted in a cold manner towards Taylor behind the stumps earned me a large amount of respect for Sarfraz.
Pathetic from Taylor, he's coming to the end of his career so seems to be getting desperate.
You can't tell from the naked eye if someone is chucking.
Kiwis turning out to be like their Aussie neighbours.
Taylor averaged 80 in tests last year, 60 in ODIs last year, and 80 in ODIs this year. He is doing very well, so not sure what desperation you're talking about.
Taylor has no business talking to umpire.
The NZ management can lodge a complaint if they want but these onfield antics are not on and hopefully he will be punished by the ICC with a fine.
Hafeez' chucking is unethical.
Can't have it both ways mate.
Tomorrow, a Pak player would cry on field against an IND spinner and accuse him of chucking.
I'm sure you'll also flock to online forums and make an issue out of it.
This is NOT how it works.
And this serial cheat has every right to gain an unfair advantage ;is that the definition of professionalism in Pakistan.
Why would NZ try and derail a team like Pakistans WC? They already are smashing them without even trying.
Why would NZ try and derail a team like Pakistans WC? They already are smashing them without even trying.
England smashed Pakistan all over in UAE and England before the champions Trophy.
Pakistan and West Indies are two teams who can really turn up on serious ICC matches. If I’m correct, New Zealand has never beaten Pakistan in a World Cup semi final. New Zealand carelessly lost to Bangladesh last year in the CT.
A one off ICC match as compared to a series of pointless ODIs are two very different propositions
Taylor averaged 80 in tests last year, 60 in ODIs last year, and 80 in ODIs this year. He is doing very well, so not sure what desperation you're talking about.