[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Is Mohammad Rizwan currently the world's best batter?

[mominsaigol]

So let's remove the limited batsman and play 3 over limitless player Haris. I am sure he will contribute a lot more and more consistently.

You're not understanding. Saud is 100x the player rizwan is at 4, why should he shove down at 5 to accommodate rizzu?

Tayyab tahir while untested clearly showed he's the type of player who can easily up the ante and is the perfect 5, yet he was pur frontline but then got shoved to reserve and then got discarded altogether because it was between him and saud, because babar has a love affair with agha and rizzu so tayyab had to get dropped even though if you give him the same no of games as rizwan he'd be the perfect no 5 with saud at 4.

Haris isn't a superior bat to rizwan but he's more utility and if he does perform will come good, he's the type of player you can shove anywhere in the order and he can be that perfect no 7 which shadab isn't filling out, rizzu on the other hand is a Crybaby and doesn't want to leave no 4.

The players we selected for the emerging acc Cup while raw could become world class if they were given a long haul, those guys shpuld have been playing during the MZ series.

NZ lost 4-1 to us because they played a depleted side, however the purpose wasn't to win, it was to groom, and darly Mitchell, Mark Chapman, ravindra all came good and became match winners for NZ.

Who did we groom? Literally no body because our brainless management wasn't willing to give these guys a long haul, rather use the afg series as an excuse to say oh haha now you know why we need babar and rizzu, when these guys Literally were just given 3 games, and even in those 3 games, Saim ayub came strong and single handidely won and decorated the worlds best spin attack in the 3rd t20 series.

Babar and rizwan and imam are straight up blocking pathways for better youngsters to come who simply have a much much greater ceiling then these 3 limited clowns(Except babar, he's fine)

Saim ayub if groomed and given the same ling haul as Imam will be 100x the player then imam lol, but we are self obsessed with imam's scam average lol.

Same with saud and tayyab will be superior to rizzu in the middle order. Saud is already superior to rizzu lol, that's not even up for debate if you look at how they play test and how they even play odi together lol.

 

[mominsaigol]

So did the modern batsman Mazwell and Green.. You need to realise these players play freely only because Australia openers normally give them a good start, and when they get starts like Pakistan then they also becomes reserved players

I agree but rizzu doesn't exactly provide those starts nor does imam.

Those starts are usually provided by warmer and Marsh who are striking at 100+ from the get gom

 

[mominsaigol]

It's important for certain posters to recognize that our critiques of Rizwan aren't rooted in any personal vendetta; rather, like all fans, our primary concern is what's best for Pakistan.

The crux with Rizwan lies in the inherent limitations of his game. To incorporate him into the team, concessions are always made and Unfortunately, these concessions translate into fielding an XI where numerous players find themselves batting out of their natural positions, thereby upping the pressure on them.

Even when Rizwan secures his preferred position, the return on investment often falls short of justifying the compromises made

This deserves POTW honestly. Finally someone speaks the actual truth of what we fans feel towards rizwan.

None of us posters who talk negatively about rizzu actually hate him or hate Pakistan. We all want Pakistan to become a world class side capable of bullying attacks.

I dream of the day we one day become like India or current NZ. World class batsmen, World class bowlers and World class fielding.

And we would be able to do that if we actually groom proper player like saim ayub, Tayyab tahir, Saud shakeel, under an experienced non nepotistic captain like sarfraz.

Theirs a reason India always turns former failures like rohit sharma and KL Rahul, Into World class players, in the case of Rohit an ATG.

We on the other hand turn talented players into has beens , just because we have love affairs with players like shehzad, Rizzu etc etc.

 

[Smbhayi]

Saud is 100x the player rizwan is at 4, why should he shove down at 5 to accommodate rizzu?

Someone who doesn't play much int'l game is already better than Pakistan's most consistent batsman.. Pakistan must be oozing with talents then

 

[mominsaigol]

Someone who doesn't play much int'l game is already better than Pakistan's most consistent batsman.. Pakistan must be oozing with talents then

And here's the problem.

All this lack of talent arguments and rizzu being consistent, all these arguments have been dealt with and done to death. I literally wrote an essay as to why this is not the case.

But some posters will always come and ignore everything and just say,

Bro rizzu has the best stats, he's a goat player and yada yada nonsense.

 

[Smbhayi]

And we would be able to do that if we actually groom proper player like saim ayub, Tayyab tahir, Saud shakeel, under an experienced non nepotistic captain like sarfraz.

This is gold actually.. So you want they'd be groomed under a player who doesn't try to improve his own fitness, keeping or batting?

 

[mominsaigol]

This is gold actually.. So you want they'd be groomed under a player who doesn't try to improve his own fitness, keeping or batting?

Were you absent when sarfi made one of the greatest comebacks ever in test matches and completly humiliated rizwan, forcing management to drop rizzu from test and play him as a backup keeper?

Were you absent when this man captained us to victory in under 19 2006, Psl and champions trophy 2017?

 

[Smbhayi]

Were you absent when sarfi made one of the greatest comebacks ever in test matches and completly humiliated rizwan, forcing management to drop rizzu from test and play him as a backup keeper?

Were you absent when this man captained us to victory in under 19 2006, Psl and champions trophy 2017?

Chand won under 19 wc too..

sarfaraz was good in 2017, nobody wants to drop him then.. after that he acted like he achieved everything and lost his fitness, batting & keeping and rightfully dropped and his replacement grab his chance with both hand..

 

[shamaan]

Fair enough but Pakistan doesn't exactly have a series of strikers in their squad. Also that just one example. Every other team doesn't function like England.

If they don't have series of strikers and we all know they haven't why not play according to your team strength which is try and get just above par score instead of trying to play like England and get bowled out alot earlier.

 

[mominsaigol]

If they don't have series of strikers and we all know they haven't why not play according to your team strength which is try and get just above par score instead of trying to play like England and get bowled out alot earlier.

Brother, NZ cultivated a world class team by playing 2nd string. All posters were saying eng would stomp NZ even though I kept telling everyone that NZ would win and thrash England, Just look at how Eng played against bamgaldesh in warmups lol.

NZ has a world class team because they played 2nd string against us and players like Mark Chapman, Ravindra, Darly Mitchell etc all became world class and got incorporated into 1st string, even though NZ got thrashed 4-1 lol.

This is how every team functions and grooms players and why India keep finding replacements. India before 2023, everyone was clwoning them saying they regressed, truth is, they were just finding fresh blood, they didn't have kuldeep, Siraj, Bumrah, and Gill and kishan were just in the process of getting groomed. Now their incorporated into 1st string.

We have genuine talented players, Saim ayub who after 2 failures single handidely decimated Afghanistan in the 3rd t20. Saud shakeel who our clueless captain thought bits and pieces agha should be frontline over literally the best FC and List A cricket player in the circuit. Tayyab who was discarded without even being given a game deapite being the best averaging acc player. Haris rn is raw but he can become a solid player as well.

What are you on about team strength? Our team shouldn't be content with going slightly > par and hoping for a bowling miracle every game.

We tried our 2nd string once, against afghanistan but unlike NZ who didn't care about the results, PCB used that series because babar and rizzu were getting flack for being terrible T20 openers, Rizzu especially for playing a match losing innings in the asia cup final. So PCB were trying to use that series to say HAHA this is why babar and rizzu matter even though rizzu was also a failure and got dropped when he arrived in the circuit.

They didn't look at the fact that saim ayub in the 3rd game started to blossom and literally destroyed the worlds strongest spin attack on a spinning slow pitch .

This is the problem with our management and team, India turns failures like rohit sharma and Rahul Into world class players, we turn promising players into hasbeens.

We have strikers, Saud, Tayyab, Saim, Haris all strikers but are raw. Our clueless management lacks the braincells to groom.

But can't blame em, this management thinks imam is top 5 odi batsmen in the world.

 

[PakPremi]

I agree but rizzu doesn't exactly provide those starts nor does imam.

Those starts are usually provided by warmer and Marsh who are striking at 100+ from the get gom

That is exactly what I said

 

[PakPremi]

Were you absent when sarfi made one of the greatest comebacks ever in test matches and completly humiliated rizwan, forcing management to drop rizzu from test and play him as a backup keeper?

Were you absent when this man captained us to victory in under 19 2006, Psl and champions trophy 2017?

How did he humiliate Rizwan. So his scoring some runs in a test match makes Rizwan rubbish. In the next series BTW Sarfraz looked OAP batsman and wicket keeper and flopped. Rizwan will soon get his place back as Sarfraz is history now.

 

[mominsaigol]

How did he humiliate Rizwan. So his scoring some runs in a test match makes Rizwan rubbish. In the next series BTW Sarfraz looked OAP batsman and wicket keeper and flopped. Rizwan will soon get his place back as Sarfraz is history now.

Bro sarfi maybe pretty much history due to age, that's why I said someone like sarfi should be Captain, not sarfi himself, point is

Don't you think it's embrassing for an old, unfit, out of form sarfi to outright humiliate rizzu in test and prove sohaib akhtar's claims right?

Unlike others analysts Akhtar rightfully bashed rizzu's match losing innings in the asia cup final, as well his test performances.

Every fan on the planet is just obsessed with averages and what not which is why people delude themselves into think mediocre bats like rizzu and imam are good players.

Sarfi played a match winning knock against South Africa in the world cup and he and wahab solo destroyed sa, something rizzu couldn't do, Rizzu hasn't Solo destroyed anyone especially when his team needed him in Asia cup, Sri lanka even gave 11 wides to start, it was an easy score to chase but his 50 of 47 didn't do any favours.

Satfi them scored another match winning 100 against Ireland cause even against Ireland we somehow collapsed all the way to umar akmal lol, sarf anchored.

We won the champions trophy and under 19 2006 cup under his captaincy, in tests he literally single handidely saved a match losing tests and won it for us, him and shafiq from a collapsed position against Sri Lanka.

Sarfi plays for the team and not himself, he's played innings and has won you games when it has mattered the most. Not like rizzu


- Name one game rizzu has actually won you? Cause even when he scored his 103 in warmups, Pakistan still lost cause look how ravindra was making his runs lol.

Only games rizzu has won were his t20 scores but even then he needed babar hand holding, his score of 98 in t20 and mark Chapman still outshines him lol.

All these match losing knocks are a joke, but people are stat obsessed.

Truth is sarfi is old, but an old unfit keeper shpuld not be outshining rizzu, we need a youn captain who has sarfraz mentality to lead lol, Rizzu and Imam, these boys play for themselves, not for the team. Sarfi shifted himself down the order and rotated the team, Rizzu cries for his test slots and for his precious odi no 4 and t20 opening, rizzu was 100x a failure when he use to bat at 6 during azhar Ali and sarfraz's era. Damn you misbah .

Saud shakeel, Tayyab, saim ayub ( Give these lads a long run, their all > Rizzu since they've already outshines him when rizzu use to be a failure early on and got dropped from the squad and rightfully so, rozzu just got a very long run thats all)

Also stop pointing at Smith, Root and these players, Firstly Smith and root have played match winning knocks at a fast pace something rizzu has yet to do on his own. Secondly if you quote the way they normally play, I saw root's and smith's match losing knock against NZ and India, Thanks we don't need rizwan escape players like them lol.

 

[TheSultan]

Good platform building by Smith and Labu going on but I take it that is not a trquirement of modern cricket so Aussies should rethink their approach

There’s always whataboutism to try and justify our general gutless approach.

Why don’t you want the Pakistan team to be the best they can be?

And you claim all this “I'm a fan, I'm a fan, I support my team”.

But I know what your next sentence if going to be “we are not blessed with batsmen who can hit” etc blah blah

How is that showing support to Pakistan cricket? How is that showing support to the likes of Saim Ayub, Haris who are actually PAKISTANI players?

All you “supporters” claim all sorts of stuff that other people have an agenda where you have your own likes and dislikes yourselves - and that happens to be just babar and Rizwan.

And even with that you’re not real fans of them. You want them to be these live in the slow lane, low strike rate platform builders and are happy with it. You never want them to actually improve. Their critics are biggest fans of them than you - because they genuinely want them to improve.

 

[Rana]

How did he humiliate Rizwan. So his scoring some runs in a test match makes Rizwan rubbish. In the next series BTW Sarfraz looked OAP batsman and wicket keeper and flopped. Rizwan will soon get his place back as Sarfraz is history now.

I hope he does get his place back

Can’t wait to see him in Australia this winter

 

[mominsaigol]

There’s always whataboutism to try and justify our general gutless approach.

Why don’t you want the Pakistan team to be the best they can be?

And you claim all this “I'm a fan, I'm a fan, I support my team”.

But I know what your next sentence if going to be “we are not blessed with batsmen who can hit” etc blah blah

How is that showing support to Pakistan cricket? How is that showing support to the likes of Saim Ayub, Haris who are actually PAKISTANI players?

All you “supporters” claim all sorts of stuff that other people have an agenda where you have your own likes and dislikes yourselves - and that happens to be just babar and Rizwan.

And even with that you’re not real fans of them. You want them to be these live in the slow lane, low strike rate platform builders and are happy with it. You never want them to actually improve. Their critics are biggest fans of them than you - because they genuinely want them to improve.

Exactly, I don't understand what he's trying to say.

He's saying Smith, and root are players for England and Australia so that somehow justifies rizzu?

Smith played a match losing knock yesterday so pakistan shpuld follow by example by having match losing players in the team .

 

[TeamPak95]

I still maintain that Rizwan should bat at 5 and Saud at 4 (to get way more out of Saud). We're approaching the stage where Rizwan at 4 will truly be tested vs Ind, Aus, SA, NZ and Eng. If Rizwan scores well vs these teams, then I'll raise my hands and fully support him at the 4. It really does come down to bringing your A-game against the big boys to really prove your worth.

 

[ads101]

It's important for certain posters to recognize that our critiques of Rizwan aren't rooted in any personal vendetta; rather, like all fans, our primary concern is what's best for Pakistan.

The crux with Rizwan lies in the inherent limitations of his game. To incorporate him into the team, concessions are always made and Unfortunately, these concessions translate into fielding an XI where numerous players find themselves batting out of their natural positions, thereby upping the pressure on them.

Even when Rizwan secures his preferred position, the return on investment often falls short of justifying the compromises made

Well unwanted concessions are the reason why we’d rather have Rizwan. Getting another keeper like Sarfraz or Azam etc. may or may not be a downgrade or upgrade in batting (I personally think Rizwan is better overall with the bat). But it is a downgrade in keeping for sure. Rizwan is just clear of them in that department even if you debate batting.

Rizwan bats at no.4 as to not upset the top three in ODIs. There aren’t exactly many strong middle order options being kept out as a result of Rizwan, most prefer to open and someone has to keep.

One of the reasons why guys like Sharjeel and Azam aren’t played in t20s who are competition as openers or wicketkeepers. Play them and you either have a fielding liability, a wicketkeeping liability and poor running between wickets. You don’t worry about those other factors with Rizwan.

I would want Fakhar to open in t20s again based on good PSLs, but the reason why Rizwan opens is because Fakhar failed as opener after a lot of chances. Rizwan pretty much grabbed the opportunity with both hands when he opened and performed right away. It also makes more sense for Babar to move down to 3, given his ability to play the no.3 position unlike Fakhar or Rizwan.

Sarfraz could have provided more utility as a very good batsman, captain, and decent wicketkeeper. But unfortunately his batting performance, his fitness and his wicketkeeping performance all declined until the point he was dropped. Rizwan provided better wicketkeeping, better fitness with promise with the bat, and with Sarfraz’s decline Sarfraz’s output didn’t match up so well compared to Rizwan any more. I think a big resurgence in his test form, though is only a few matches, is partly because he regained fitness and now can run between wickets better again. But that doesn’t excuse or make up for being poor 4 years in a row in tests.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well unwanted concessions are the reason why we’d rather have Rizwan. Getting another keeper like Sarfraz or Azam etc. may or may not be a downgrade or upgrade in batting (I personally think Rizwan is better overall with the bat). But it is a downgrade in keeping for sure. Rizwan is just clear of them in that department even if you debate batting.

Rizwan bats at no.4 as to not upset the top three in ODIs. There aren’t exactly many strong middle order options being kept out as a result of Rizwan, most prefer to open and someone has to keep.

One of the reasons why guys like Sharjeel and Azam aren’t played in t20s who are competition as openers or wicketkeepers. Play them and you either have a fielding liability, a wicketkeeping liability and poor running between wickets. You don’t worry about those other factors with Rizwan.

I would want Fakhar to open in t20s again based on good PSLs, but the reason why Rizwan opens is because Fakhar failed as opener after a lot of chances. Rizwan pretty much grabbed the opportunity with both hands when he opened and performed right away. It also makes more sense for Babar to move down to 3, given his ability to play the no.3 position unlike Fakhar or Rizwan.

Sarfraz could have provided more utility as a very good batsman, captain, and decent wicketkeeper. But unfortunately his batting performance, his fitness and his wicketkeeping performance all declined until the point he was dropped. Rizwan provided better wicketkeeping, better fitness with promise with the bat, and with Sarfraz’s decline Sarfraz’s output didn’t match up so well compared to Rizwan any more. I think a big resurgence in his test form, though is only a few matches, is partly because he regained fitness and now can run between wickets better again. But that doesn’t excuse or make up for being poor 4 years in a row in tests.

Rizzu is obviously better then current sarfi because sarfraz is old and unfit now and test =/= odi and t20.

Problem is India and NZ in 4 years groomed so many players because they play 2nd string and these 2nd string get groomed to be world class.

India struggled in these years and fans deluded themselves into thinking Asia cup would be a walk in the park for Pakistan but reality is, they were playing 2nd string and finding replacements for bhuvi, Dhawan etc, amd they were trying to figure out how to fit Rahul in as opening wasn't working, Kuldeep was also away

Now with kishan, Siraj, Gill, all groomed and kuldeep improved, they have nothing to worry about, then even have other players who are in the process of being developed like sanju sampson etc.

We wasted our 4 years, who did we groom, besides rizwan who is consistent and good?

We kept the same tired and tested fakhar and imam opening for 5 + years, the middle order is hilarious due to our obsession with bits and pieces. Why were tayyab, Saud, Saim, groomed? In fact the entire team we sent for our emerging Asia cup squad, aka the guys who won us a cup, and didn't land us dead last, why weren't they groomed?

What about Abdullah? He's a solid player but you barely tried him in odi and expected him to play am important semi final against Sri Lanka in the asia cup last minute?

Rizwan, Gill, Kishan, siraj, Mark Chapman, Ravindra, Rahul all these players were failures lol, Rizwan use to fail and got dropped when he batted lower. These players got groomed after being given a very very long haul.

The problem isn't rizwan so much as it's Pakistan's refusal to play 2nd string sides and groom youngsters and then we all start complaining about their being lack of talent as an excuse which isn't true at all. We have plenty of talent especially when this talent won you an asia cup. Only tayyab was an unfair inclusion due to age lol, but everyone else saim and omair bin aziz were a class apart from any Indian player in the cup despite being the same age and even younger then those Indian players.

Pakistan's refusal to test players and only bring in new players last minute like they did with fakhar in CT 2017, sarfraz in WC 2015, and Abdullah and saud in asia cup and current world cup is the problem.

Not testing players and not identifying their ideal batting no like India managed to do with rohit and Rahul, they were failures but a long haul + current batting no fixed everything.

Reason why people of this forumn hate rizwan, Imam, and babar is because rizzu and imam are blocking pathways for youngsters because of their Crybaby nature and Babar is contributing to it by being a friendship 11 Captain.

Otherwise as a player rizzu > Sarfi, but sarfi didn't block pathways, it is his insistence on trying fresh faces mixed with experienced players that won us CT 2017.

 

[TheSultan]

Exactly, I don't understand what he's trying to say.

He's saying Smith, and root are players for England and Australia so that somehow justifies rizzu?

Smith played a match losing knock yesterday so pakistan shpuld follow by example by having match losing players in the team .

For some fans it doesn’t matter. As long as babar and rizwan are NOT THE ONLY players that play match losing innings, they are happy with that.

There used to be a time where Pak fans never accepted mediocrity. What’s happened to them? They now embrace it with open arms.

 

[mominsaigol]

For some fans it doesn’t matter. As long as babar and rizwan are NOT THE ONLY players that play match losing innings, they are happy with that.

There used to be a time where Pak fans never accepted mediocrity. What’s happened to them? They now embrace it with open arms.

I'd say its even, Their fans who go out and shout parchi parchi to shan and imam and in shan's case we're succesful in getting rid of him. Their people like sohaib Akhtar who rightfully bashed rizwan for the Asia cup final he played and even misbah currently has been saying pakistan has been bashing c teams and will receive a reality check this cup.

Then their people like mickey and naz who live on cloud 9. It's the same with this forumn, their people like you and me, and then theirs blind loyal cultists as well lol.

As sohaib Akhtar says " Play the average player and expect Average results, Expect Average results and mediocrity will become the norm"

Only if pakistan did what NZ and India did, Play your 2nd string team, especially when pakistan's 2nd string won you the emerging Asia cup, Groom them and play them at their proper no's and voila you got a goated team.

But naw, Keep playing the same tried and tested players, and when those players go out of form, Bring in last minute changes in key moments and hope for miracles. We did this with sarfi in 2015 wc, we did it with fakhar in ct 2017 and now we're doing it with saud and calling him the pakistan way lol. Why wasn't saud brought in during the MZ 2nd string series? Only god knows.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Rizwan is arguably one of best T20 batter. He is averaging 49.07

Now he is also taking up his position in ODI as a responsible middle order batter already he has bumped his average in ODI

In Tests i remember he was man of the series in 2020 test series between Pakistan and England. Currently he is averaging 39.52 in tests. Which is reasonable

 

[PakPremi]

You guys alway targetting Rizwan for not playing clutch innings when he doea. Only a fool would expect a Pakistani fan would not want him to improve even more and have a bigger impact. So stop assuming nonsense. References to Smith and Root is to remind you that there are great and key ODu players in the world that play under 90 strike rate, and that does not make their contribution and less than your big hitting players like Warner, Bairstow or Butler. Rizwan more often than not digs Pakistan out of trouble and keeps scoreboard ticking at good rate. You do not like him that is your personal choice but let me ensure you Haris is not your answer atleast not yet. Pakistani players have not been groomed well and that is PCB management and Babar fault,but that has nothing to do with the importance of Babar and Rizwan the player to Pakistan team, and of course each player must get better and better, learning never stops.

 

[PakPremi]

Rizwan is arguably one of best T20 batter. He is averaging 49.07

Now he is also taking up his position in ODI as a responsible middle order batter already he has bumped his average in ODI

In Tests i remember he was man of the series in 2020 test series between Pakistan and England. Currently he is averaging 39.52 in tests. Which is reasonable

To some he is the main issue with Team Pakistan, hence endless threads and posts criticising him

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

I certainly find him a more dangerous opponent than Babar.

Interesting, Im just wanting to know why do you think that, because I think you are the person I have heard this from

 

[FearlessRoar]

Rizwan gearing up for match against Sri Lanka

 

[TheSultan]

You guys alway targetting Rizwan for not playing clutch innings when he doea. Only a fool would expect a Pakistani fan would not want him to improve even more and have a bigger impact. So stop assuming nonsense. References to Smith and Root is to remind you that there are great and key ODu players in the world that play under 90 strike rate, and that does not make their contribution and less than your big hitting players like Warner, Bairstow or Butler. Rizwan more often than not digs Pakistan out of trouble and keeps scoreboard ticking at good rate. You do not like him that is your personal choice but let me ensure you Haris is not your answer atleast not yet. Pakistani players have not been groomed well and that is PCB management and Babar fault,but that has nothing to do with the importance of Babar and Rizwan the player to Pakistan team, and of course each player must get better and better, learning never stops.

Way to show support for a Pakistani player - Haris.

Support Pakistani players man - what’s wrong with you guys.

Harry outperformed both bariz last year when they all choked, and I’m sure given the opportunity he’d do it again this year

 

[PakPremi]

@The Sultan way to compare Apples and Oranges, that is the difference between performance in T20 and ODI. Are you seriously thinking Haris is more suitable to play this world cup than Rizwan, or just your dream?

 

[Technics 1210]

Haris with an all time T20i high of 31 runs in a T20i career spanning 9 T20i games has outplayed Rizwan who smacked 79* vs India in the 2021 WC.

HA HA HA.

 

[Technics 1210]

The so called 'best for Pakistan' fans and supporters, who anoint themselves as oracles of the game, the self proclaimed arbitrators and justice warriors of Pakistan cricket, pick a player who performed twice with a monumental high score of 31 (Haris) in his T20 career ABOVE a player who has performed time and time again in T20s (Rizwan), in particular the 2021 WC, who while in the process contributed to a 10 wicket mauling of India, also reached rank 1 in T20s.

Don't believe the hype folks, there is only one topi bazi drama going on, and that is from the haters of Rizwan, and Pakistan!

 

[TheSultan]

@The Sultan way to compare Apples and Oranges, that is the difference between performance in T20 and ODI. Are you seriously thinking Haris is more suitable to play this world cup than Rizwan, or just your dream?

I think he has more cricket balls than Rizwan. Doesn’t get overawed by a World Cup. Id back him.

Rizwan has choked many times in crunch games

 

[TheSultan]

The so called 'best for Pakistan' fans and supporters, who anoint themselves as oracles of the game, the self proclaimed arbitrators and justice warriors of Pakistan cricket, pick a player who performed twice with a monumental high score of 31 (Haris) in his T20 career ABOVE a player who has performed time and time again in T20s (Rizwan), in particular the 2021 WC, who while in the process contributed to a 10 wicket mauling of India, also reached rank 1 in T20s.

Don't believe the hype folks, there is only one topi bazi drama going on, and that is from the haters of Rizwan, and Pakistan!

Why are you hating on Haris? And Pakistan?

Come on Mr supporter

 

[Technics 1210]

Why are you hating on Haris? And Pakistan?

Come on Mr supporter

Your hate has been exposed.

A 2 match innings of Haris trumps Rizwan in T20s?

Perhaps you were not celebrating when Rizwan scored 79* vs India in 2021 WC, or when Rizwan was Rank #1 in T20 - would explain a lot.

I am not hating Haris by the way, see my posts on supporting Haris in the other thread, but to deem Haris above Rizwan in T20s based on a sample of 9 T20 matches, with a high score of 31, is simply delusional and not realistic, and you have the gall to pull up Pakistan fans/supporters for being unrealistic.

Go buy yourself a mirror.

 

[TheSultan]

Your hate has been exposed.

A 2 match innings of Haris trumps Rizwan in T20s?

Perhaps you were not celebrating when Rizwan scored 79* vs India in 2021 WC, or when Rizwan was Rank #1 in T20 - would explain a lot.

I am not hating Haris by the way, see my posts on supporting Haris in the other thread, but to deem Haris above Rizwan in T20s based on a sample of 9 T20 matches, with a high score of 31, is simply delusional and not realistic, and you have the gall to pull up Pakistan fans/supporters for being unrealistic.

Go buy yourself a mirror.

This is terrible - a young player like Haris being insulted.

Wahey let’s back Pakistan. Pakistan zindabad

 

[mominsaigol]

This is terrible - a young player like Haris being insulted.

Wahey let’s back Pakistan. Pakistan zindabad

These boys claim they back pakistan but they'll hate on any player except rizwan and Babar .

 

[Technics 1210]

This is terrible - a young player like Haris being insulted.

Wahey let’s back Pakistan. Pakistan zindabad

Your attempts at back peddling are beyond terrible.

But you carry on insulting Rizwan, a tried and tested player in T20. Such is your hate, you even went to the extent of comparing Haris to Rizwan in ODIs, and Haris has only played 6 ODIs.

You do not back Pakistan, this is clear as daylight, you back hate.

Do not quote me going forwards.

 

[TheSultan]

These boys claim they back pakistan but they'll hate on any player except rizwan and Babar .

Exactly - there’s no support here, it’s just a BaRiz cult

 

[mominsaigol]

Exactly - there’s no support here, it’s just a BaRiz cult

The funny thing is, The coach mickey Arthur straight up says the way saud shakeel plays is how pakistan shpuld play and we need to adopt his play style as the PAKISTAN Way.

Even the coach knows changes must be made post WC and we need saud shakeel standard approaches cause he bats like a modern bat.

But Nahi Zidi bachei, Babar and rizzu zindabad, Stats glore, those stats that won't ever win you games.

 

[TheSultan]

The funny thing is, The coach mickey Arthur straight up says the way saud shakeel plays is how pakistan shpuld play and we need to adopt his play style as the PAKISTAN Way.

Even the coach knows changes must be made post WC and we need saud shakeel standard approaches cause he bats like a modern bat.

But Nahi Zidi bachei, Babar and rizzu zindabad, Stats glore, those stats that won't ever win you games.

I genuinely think Mickey wants to change things around but we have a very childish player group in our team that needs to be handled with care.

So he has to slowly handhold them through the changes.

 

[mominsaigol]

To some he is the main issue with Team Pakistan, hence endless threads and posts criticising him

Him and imam yes, their playing at vital positions and not letting others come forth. It is management's problem + rizzu is still contributing. Someone like sarfraz use to open and gladly shifted himself down to accommodate fakhar. Rizzu and mickey atthir acknowledges that the way saud shakeel bats is how a modern era batsmen usually bars and we need to adopt his approach as the Pakistan way.

Mickey and rizzu both agree so are they adopting this approach? Or does the Pakistan way only apply to everyone else but not to the golden boys imam, Babar and rizzu? Sohaib Akhtar bashed rizwan in the past and rightfully so. Either play according to your Pakistan way or step down like sarfi to accommodate saud at no 4 since you praised him so much.

 

[mominsaigol]

I genuinely think Mickey wants to change things around but we have a very childish player group in our team that needs to be handled with care.

So he has to slowly handhold them through the changes.

I mean, Mickey did say imam is a top 5 odi player lol, so I don't know tbh.

On one hand he makes logical comments saying that the way the team plays is unacceptable and you need to play like saud shakeel which is adopt a positive attitude.

On the other hand he says imam is a top 5 odi bat but still states imam does not play the PAKISTAN WAY.

Don't get what he means, how can imam be a top 5 odi bat but also not play according to your standards?

 

[Hitman]

Interesting, Im just wanting to know why do you think that, because I think you are the person I have heard this from

He steps up to challenges and under a crisis more than Babar, at least from my observation.

 

[FearlessRoar]

He came when Pakistan was 37/2 and he scored a magnificent Hundred in the pain and tough situation, he scored 100* runs from 97 balls against Sri Lanka - What a Hundred by The Crisis man Rizwan!

 

[Asad T]

"This year, Rizwan's strike rate when he play the sweep shot is almost 200, and he has not gotten out playing it" paraphrasing from Ramiz Raja on comms
That is some statistic

 

[Mp812]

Mohammad Rizwan * 134 of 121 chasing 344. Match winning knock in WC2023 against SL. Class player

 

[mominsaigol]

Kamran literally performed in one match after flopping hard in every other match whereas rizwan gives consistent performances. Also rizwan will win Pakistan 2023 World Cup, Mark my words. Highlight this comment for when rizwan scores the 100 and plays the winning shot this coming world cup.

Omg, I actually predicted the future back on August 19th. , Maybe I am the GOAT. This was my first prediction and it was a troll prediction. Lol.

@Galla @DeadlyVenom

 

[emranabbas]

Good chase by rizwan but still not the best batsmen

 

[cricenjoyer]

Omg, I actually predicted the future back on August 19th. , Maybe I am the GOAT. This was my first prediction and it was a troll prediction. Lol.

@Galla @DeadlyVenom

Maybe everything you post comes true

 

[mominsaigol]

Maybe everything you post comes true

I fr have some super sense,

Abdullah and saud came true. I thought today I was wrong about rizzu, but I made this post on August 19th, meaning my predictions haven't been false yet like I thought .

@hitthestump Get here bro, my prediction wasn't wrong, I made this prediction on August 19th .

I'm the luckiest after all lol.

 

[iPakistani]

Best pakistan wicket keeper of all time and it’s not even close.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Today he was! Brilliant when if works

 

[Markhor]

I don't know about world's best batter but that was a gem of an innings today. The best of Rizwan's career. Babar should take notes on how to bat under pressure.

 

[IMMY69]

Trolls or those who know nothing aviut cricket have been exposed.

The question is: are you a troll or do you have zero knowledge about the game?

 

[daytrader]

He's in some form. Insha'Allah carries it through the entire tournament

 

[IMMY69]

I think it's time to accept that you know nothing

Are you big enough to admit this?

 

[IMMY69]

I genuinely think Mickey wants to change things around but we have a very childish player group in our team that needs to be handled with care.

So he has to slowly handhold them through the changes.

I think it's time to accept that you know nothing

Are you big enough to admit this?

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[Firebat]

Oh no Rizwan played a match-winning blinder in a high-scoring WC chase… quick someone check his wagon wheel!

 

[hassan918]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711794707792027845

 

[hitthestump]

"It is only a matter of time before Rizwan gets exposed"

 

[PakPremi]

Oh no Rizwan played a match-winning blinder in a high-scoring WC chase… quick someone check his wagon wheel!

Not bad for so called leg side hack

 

[AZulfi]

One of the best for sure. Matthew Hayden was all praise for him today

 

[The_KING]

Rizwan is a top player who doesn't get the respect that he deserves from certain people with an obvious agenda.

People actually want Rizwan dropped for has-beens like Sarfraz or hacks like Haris.

 

[hitthestump]

One of the best for sure. Matthew Hayden was all praise for him today

Talent knows talent.

Winners know winners.

And bitter losers only want to drag others with them to make up for their own shortfalls.

 

[PakPremi]

"This year, Rizwan's strike rate when he play the sweep shot is almost 200, and he has not gotten out playing it" paraphrasing from Ramiz Raja on comms
That is some statistic

We were told he is poor player of spin

 

[Smbhayi]

Oh no Rizwan played a match-winning blinder in a high-scoring WC chase… quick someone check his wagon wheel!

He played well through off-side too today..

 

[IMMY69]

So all these posters are just trolls then because they are clearly no man enough to admit they're wrong.

Make of a human being

 

[PakPremi]

As I claimed in another thread he is by far Pakistan best Wicketkkepe and wicketkeeper batsman, but his detractors were claiming no it's Kamran and/or Sarfraz and even Moin. Lol

 

[PakPremi]

He played well through off-side too today..

Also the last match.

 

[PakPremi]

So all these posters are just trolls then because they are clearly no man enough to admit they're wrong.

Make of a human being

No they are ttue Pakistani fans just think top performers of Pakistan batting are useless, and want them replaced with inexperienced upcoming youngsters who for fault of Pakistani management have not been groomed or prepared for this tournament.

 

[Major]

I hope he does get his place back

Can’t wait to see him in Australia this winter

yes you keep waiting for Australia tour cause todays MOTM performance by Rizwan has ruined your world cup

 

[daytrader]

I think an ATG performance today to pick up a MoM in the highest chase in the World Cup settles this debate. Rizwan has etched his name in history especially if this remains the highest successful chase this WC (which I doubt). Whenever a World Cup comes around this scorecard will be shown.

The best aspect about this man's batting is his grit and determination to do the best at any position or situation. Even other players play better with him at the other end, except the duds that can't run. He's honestly a blessing to this team.

 

[Major]

So all these posters are just trolls then because they are clearly no man enough to admit they're wrong.

Make of a human being

even if they do, we know they are gonna lie.

They will come back next time when Rizwan doesnt perform and say that sri lanka's bowling was weak. They will keep on saying stupid stuff, they are just gonna sit quiet till a match in which rizwan doesn perform.

Like come on, Rizwan ended the India streak against us in all world cups, yet these buffoons still made threads all year long.

One of them has already given up and having dreams about sarfi keeping in the australia tour

 

[PakPremi]

yes you keep waiting for Australia tour cause todays MOTM performance by Rizwan has ruined your world cup

I think it should be a case of RANA(Rizwan Agenda Never Again)!

 

[IMMY69]

No they are ttue Pakistani fans just think top performers of Pakistan batting are useless, and want them replaced with inexperienced upcoming youngsters who for fault of Pakistani management have not been groomed or prepared for this tournament.

They are complete novices and hateful people, and that's being kind

 

[Major]

I think it should be a case of RANA(Rizwan Agenda Never Again)!

more like RONA, which is literally crying all the time.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Omg, I actually predicted the future back on August 19th. , Maybe I am the GOAT. This was my first prediction and it was a troll prediction. Lol.

@Galla @DeadlyVenom

InshAllah it comes true

 

[IMMY69]

even if they do, we know they are gonna lie.

They will come back next time when Rizwan doesnt perform and say that sri lanka's bowling was weak. They will keep on saying stupid stuff, they are just gonna sit quiet till a match in which rizwan doesn perform.

Like come on, Rizwan ended the India streak against us in all world cups, yet these buffoons still made threads all year long.

One of them has already given up and having dreams about sarfi keeping in the australia tour

Dark hearts
Avoid at all cost

 

[mominsaigol]

As I claimed in another thread he is by far Pakistan best Wicketkkepe and wicketkeeper batsman, but his detractors were claiming no it's Kamran and/or Sarfraz and even Moin. Lol

Their was a reason for it before today it was the same reason I was previously applying. Idk about moin,

By kamran and Sarfi played clutch knocks in a world cup stage, Rizwan played a match losing innings in an Asia cup last year where sohaib Akhtar rightfully bashed him for it, he was in a position to easily win that but 55 of 47 is unacceptable.

It's the same with babar, people don't respect him cause better stats mean nothing if he vanishes during world cup stages.

Obviously after today considering its one of the best performances in a world cup history all those previous arguments that haters made now fall flat.

You can't claim stat padding anymore when he came through and his innings today easily surpasses the sa innings Sarfi played + the kamran innings that he played.

So yh all arguments now fall flat after today. But their was a genuine criticism prior atleast.

 

[IMMY69]

I think an ATG performance today to pick up a MoM in the highest chase in the World Cup settles this debate. Rizwan has etched his name in history especially if this remains the highest successful chase this WC (which I doubt). Whenever a World Cup comes around this scorecard will be shown.

The best aspect about this man's batting is his grit and determination to do the best at any position or situation. Even other players play better with him at the other end, except the duds that can't run. He's honestly a blessing to this team.

Nope.
We actually get to miss the ATG performances. They would be Ranajee crying in bed with a pillow covering his face

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Fair play to the lad today was immense..
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