[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Is Shubman Gill the best young cricketer in the world today?

Yasir Shah has a 100 in Australia.so if Abdullah gets 92 will you say its bigger than Gill entire career ?
Read above.

If Abdullah gets a 92 to win a series for Pakistan in Australia then yes it will be bigger, but we all know that cannot happen.

The sun can rise from the west but Pakistan will never be good enough to win a series in Australia.
 
Read above.

If Abdullah gets a 92 to win a series for Pakistan in Australia then yes it will be bigger, but we all know that cannot happen.

The sun can rise from the west but Pakistan will never be good enough to win a series in Australia.
They won the series due to collective team performance not due to Gill 92
 
Abdullah Shafique is the same age and is the better player. Gill is a T20 hack, he's not good enough to take over from Kohli.
 
I don't think he had a great tournament.

354 runs
average 44
strike rate was good at 106.94
4 fifties
0 hundreds
 
Abdullah Shafique is the same age and is the better player. Gill is a T20 hack, he's not good enough to take over from Kohli.
to be fair, Gill was recovering from dengue.

Dengue, Malaria and even typhoid are terrible illnesses that it takes time to recover and generate full health. I think in dengue you also lose platelets that you have to recover aswell.

Wonder if Indian management should had rested him and not played him after this illness.
 
to be fair, Gill was recovering from dengue.

Dengue, Malaria and even typhoid are terrible illnesses that it takes time to recover and generate full health. I think in dengue you also lose platelets that you have to recover aswell.

Wonder if Indian management should had rested him and not played him after this illness.
If its a terrible illness then why did they play him surely they did certain tests.
 
Gill had a rough WC but he's too good not to make ammends in future.
 
No we don’t “agree” Babar is the only genuine contender to Kohli. He isn’t even close and never was and never will be. Only delusional Babar fans think so.

India produces 3-4 batsmen like Babar every few years. He is nothing special and nor is he more naturally talented than Kohli. He hasn’t figured out a way to dominate spin and he has been playing since 2015. What natural talent?

The only genuine contender to Kohli is Gill but even that is a long shot because although the natural talent is there, the sheer determination, hard work and relentless desire to be the best has to come from him.

The only contemporary batsman with more ability than Kohli is Rohit and although he is a giant of the game in his own right, he couldn’t surpass Kohli because he doesn’t have the desperation to be the best. He hasn’t sacrificed and put in the hard yards that Kohli has.

The physical transformation and the way Kohli has worked his backside off to condition himself into the prime athlete that he is could have been done by Rohit too, but he chose not to.

Ultimately, Gill will have to choose his own path and decide how badly he wants to be the best. He can be if he chooses to be, but it has to come within himself. No one will hold his hand.

Don’t give me this rubbish that Kohli had mentors like Tendulkar, Dhoni etc. Dozens and dozens of batsmen have come through the ranks in their presence and there is only one Kohli.

Kohli is Kohli not because of the mentors but because of the gift he has from God and his own hard work and desire to be the best.
Okay bro then this for you. You are deluded if you think Kohli is the GOAT. His 28k runs have won no silverware for India. If you can't make your team win tournaments even at home then you're no goat. Yes Kohli has been consistent with runs but he has also been very consistent with Choking. Travis Head is better than your chokli.
 
Okay bro then this for you. You are deluded if you think Kohli is the GOAT. His 28k runs have won no silverware for India. If you can't make your team win tournaments even at home then you're no goat. Yes Kohli has been consistent with runs but he has also been very consistent with Choking. Travis Head is better than your chokli.
Kohli can't play a knock like Travis Head even if he was born a million times. This century of Travis Head over all the useless 100s from Kohli.
 
Shafique has achieved more? Where?

Gill’s 91 in the 5th Test in Australia on day 5 to help India seal a historic series win is bigger than Shafique’s entire career so far.

Also, you have no idea what you are talking about if you think Gill is under no pressure. Getting into the Indian team and keeping your place is a different level of pressure because the competition is insane.

The 30th best batsman in India is probably better than all of the top 5 Pakistani batsman. Babar has no pressure and neither did he have any pressure when he was young because his competition was with average batsmen so his place was under threat.

He failed in Tests for the first 2 years but his place was never under scrutiny. In India, Karun Nair was dropped forever only 4 Tests after scoring a 300 against Anderson and Broad.

Gill was backed to be India’s best batsman in this World Cup and someone like Kohli claimed a year ago that he wasn’t 10% as good as Gill at this age.

India have put a lot of burden and expectation on Gill’s shoulders so he definitely had a lot of pressure coming into the World Cup and on top of that, he had dengue which shook him badly as it would shake anyone.

Never ever compare Gill with Shafique again. There is no comparison.
You've contradicted yourself within the same post. Initially, you mentioned the pressure on him due to competition in India, but later, you described him as a golden boy with a secure place regardless of performance.

After 70 international games, one innings isn't enough to judge. Gill's average in test cricket since is 30, and while he scored a 90, the argument is it wasn't exceptional. There are 1000s of batters who have scored a 90 in Australia. The series victory is a team achievement not individual.

The key point is Gill benefits from playing 'freely' with strong batsmanship around him, but he is still not winning important matches single-handedly. Travis Head, with 3 man of the match awards in 6 matches, seems more impactful than both Gill and Kohli. Abdullah, with a double century in an away test that Pakistan won and winning Pakistan World Cup matches, has more notable achievements. Comparisons may not be fair now; I agree Gill needs more notable victories to match up to Abdullah. Forget Babar.
 
A lot things contributed to India’s loss today. Unfair to pin all blame on Iyer and KL.

- Gill finding mid-on on a quite an innocuous delivery. It would have been dispatched for a boundary 9/10 times.

- Rohit didn’t need to charge Maxwell like a mad man after hitting him for a 6 and 4 already.

- Kohli dragging one onto his stumps. It was too close to his body to dab to the third man. Error of judgement.

- Iyer’s failure and KL’s knock that never gained any momentum.

- Head riding his luck in the first 10 overs. He was beaten a dozen times by Bumrah and Shami and would have nicked one off on another day.

All of these factors played an equal role in India’s demise today.
I appreciate your posts and insights, but I encourage you to courageously express what needs to be said. India played timid, resembling a 'Pakistan-ish' cricket style. Except for Rohit, the batting unit appeared timid and succumbed to pressure. Notably, Marsh and Head maintained a 2 run per over, and the partnership between Rahul and Kohli featured a negative 93 runs in 150 balls with only 2 boundaries. This level of timidity falls below expectations for batters of India's caliber.
 
How is Babar even being mentioned in this thread?

In Babar’s first WC, he averaged 67 @ 87 SR. He carried his team on an incredibly slow pitch against a strong New Zealand attack with a 101*. This same New Zealand attack absolutely ran through the Indian batting lineup in the SF’s not that long after. Rahul, Rohit, and Kohli only managed to score a combined 3 runs in that semi final.

Yes, Babar has a weakness against spin and was not successful in this World Cup in India. But it was mostly him throwing his own wicket away after getting settled down. Regardless, Babar’s first WC was away from home and much much better than Gill’s first WC which he played at home.
 
How is Babar even being mentioned in this thread?

In Babar’s first WC, he averaged 67 @ 87 SR. He carried his team on an incredibly slow pitch against a strong New Zealand attack with a 101*. This same New Zealand attack absolutely ran through the Indian batting lineup in the SF’s not that long after. Rahul, Rohit, and Kohli only managed to score a combined 3 runs in that semi final.

Yes, Babar has a weakness against spin and was not successful in this World Cup in India. But it was mostly him throwing his own wicket away after getting settled down. Regardless, Babar’s first WC was away from home and much much better than Gill’s first WC which he played at home.
lol you are absurdly hypocritical, If Indian batsmen have choked then Babar has Choked more than Donald.

He is being mentioned coz he was trash this tournament and has never taken his team into KO stages.(ICC WC)

If Indian batsmen are supposed to be judged based on them making uS win, Then Pak batsmen need to take team to KO stage for them to be comparable.
 
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So I get your reason for rating Indian players higher because they generally develop more and ultimately outshine their Pakistani counterparts. I get it. I understand some of the comparisons you mention were embarrassing.

I am not saying Gill is poor. I am not even comparing him to Abdullah or Babar.
All I said is hold your horses. Let him deliver on the big stage and then tout the horns.
Apart from the meaningless 80 in semi where he was riding on the back of others, he hasn’t done jack in the World Cup. The rest are all excuses.

Babar had more responsibility, pressure than Gill can imagine at his age, because Babar has been carrying the Pak team from the day he onboarded. Yet, he’s had several impactful innings in the world cups. Let Gill do that first, then let’s bring on the comparison.

Abdullah has already helped his team win an away test series in SL and led world cup’s Highest ODI chase. He too has achieved more. Remember Abullah is not surrounded by Kohli and Rohit. Pakistani guys are on their own.
how was he riding at the back of others? He was the opener, in reality others (Kohli/Iyer) rode on the back of the start he and Rohit gave.

The problem with fans and especially a lot of Pakistani fans is that they don’t understand Team sports/batting in general, which is understandable since they haven’t succeeded in team sports and do not have a sporting culture back home (similar to India).
The little success they had in cricket was changed to individual success by the people who got them that success. Imran Khan, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib etc all boosted their own stock rather than sending a message about how it was not their success but their teams. And that mentality is imbibed amongst Pakistani fans.

That’s the reason they don’t understand Rohit’s role this tournament or Gills performance and think just because Gill didn’t score massive hundreds he failed.

Gill had a pretty good tournament for a youngster his age who is recovering from dengue.
His role was to keep scoring runs while Kohli accumulates at the other end. He played his role perfectly throughout the tournament.

In finals apart from Rohit the entire batting team choked but that was somewhat expected will happen to most of us.
 
lol you are absurdly hypocritical, If Indian batsmen have choked then Babar has Choked more than Donald.

He is being mentioned coz he was trash this tournament and has never taken his team into KO stages.(ICC WC)

If Indian batsmen are supposed to be judged based on them making uS win, Then Pak batsmen need to take team to KO stage for them to be comparable.

I don’t think Pakistani batsmen choked. They just don’t have the skills or consistency to score big runs against quality bowling attacks on top of their game.

During World Cup most teams raise their standards, Pakistan on the other hand play throughout the year with the same standard. Their batting did what they are capable of.

I saw a few Pakistani shows and they all were criticising their batting for not playing the modern game. All these great ex cricketers can’t understand a simple point: Imam, Babbar, Rizwan, Abdullah cannot play the modern style. It’s not their fault it’s their limitation.
You can’t expect Kohli to play like Rohit did this World Cup, it’s not how Kohli plays.

Pakistani cricket downfall started well before their rise even started. It’s way too deep rooted than most poster here even can think of.
It’s more to do with non cricket relating matters starting from Zia Ul Haq than with cricket matters.
 
Abdullah Shafique is the same age and is the better player. Gill is a T20 hack, he's not good enough to take over from Kohli.
Shafique is one of the biggest age cheats in the Pakistan team. He is at least 28.

You always pick the wrong battle.

Amla is better than Kohli
Amla is better than Rohit
Babar is better than Kohli
Hassan Ali is better than Bumrah
Shafique is better than Gill

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You've contradicted yourself within the same post. Initially, you mentioned the pressure on him due to competition in India, but later, you described him as a golden boy with a secure place regardless of performance.

After 70 international games, one innings isn't enough to judge. Gill's average in test cricket since is 30, and while he scored a 90, the argument is it wasn't exceptional. There are 1000s of batters who have scored a 90 in Australia. The series victory is a team achievement not individual.

The key point is Gill benefits from playing 'freely' with strong batsmanship around him, but he is still not winning important matches single-handedly. Travis Head, with 3 man of the match awards in 6 matches, seems more impactful than both Gill and Kohli. Abdullah, with a double century in an away test that Pakistan won and winning Pakistan World Cup matches, has more notable achievements. Comparisons may not be fair now; I agree Gill needs more notable victories to match up to Abdullah. Forget Babar.
I literally never said that. You’re putting words in my mouth. India have had golden boys before too and not everyone survived. If someone better than Gill comes around he will be chucked out, so the pressure is huge on him to live up to the tag and keep himself ahead of the competition.

Kohli also had to deal with huge pressure. He was never a golden boy or a true prodigy like Rohit, but he forced himself to be the next big thing in Indian cricket with his sheer will and determination which is why by 2011, he had displaced Rohit as India’s biggest hope.

At that time, he had drawn comparisons with Tendulkar and the pressure and expectations could have got to him but he didn’t break.

I don’t expect Gill to break either. He has a very strong support system in his family who keep him in check. He will be a great player for sure but whether he can be as good as Kohli is a different matter, because there are great players and then there is Kohli.
 
Okay bro then this for you. You are deluded if you think Kohli is the GOAT. His 28k runs have won no silverware for India. If you can't make your team win tournaments even at home then you're no goat. Yes Kohli has been consistent with runs but he has also been very consistent with Choking. Travis Head is better than your chokli.
Kohli’s innings in the 2013 CT final won them the match. His partnership with Gambhir in the 2011 final when he was the infancy of his career also played a massive role in the World Cup win.

He has multiple player of the tournament awards. He scored an 89* in the 2016 T20 World Cup semifinal and another unbeaten half-century in the 2014 final.

He has been absolutely brilliant player in ICC tournaments as well but has been let down by his teammates.

Kohli is the GOAT in white ball cricket. It is not even a debate. There are only 2-3 players in history who can compete with him in the shorter formats and no Pakistani including Babar is anywhere close to that level.

Travis Head is a very good player, could be a Warner or Hayden type player for Australia, he is no spring chicken but has 5-6 years left in his tank but one innings doesn’t make you a GOAT contender.

Travis Head has become Pakistani fans’ chachu now and they will vent out their frustration and anger through him and act like he is one of their own because their own players don’t have the ability to dominate India like this.

I mean their king Babar is a total dud against India. Utterly clueless against Indian bowling and has been throughout his career except one innings where he was carried by Rizwan.
 
Read above.

If Abdullah gets a 92 to win a series for Pakistan in Australia then yes it will be bigger, but we all know that cannot happen.
Kohli’s innings in the 2013 CT final won them the match. His partnership with Gambhir in the 2011 final when he was the infancy of his career also played a massive role in the World Cup win.

He has multiple player of the tournament awards. He scored an 89* in the 2016 T20 World Cup semifinal and another unbeaten half-century in the 2014 final.

He has been absolutely brilliant player in ICC tournaments as well but has been let down by his teammates.

Kohli is the GOAT in white ball cricket. It is not even a debate. There are only 2-3 players in history who can compete with him in the shorter formats and no Pakistani including Babar is anywhere close to that level.

Travis Head is a very good player, could be a Warner or Hayden type player for Australia, he is no spring chicken but has 5-6 years left in his tank but one innings doesn’t make you a GOAT contender.

Travis Head has become Pakistani fans’ chachu now and they will vent out their frustration and anger through him and act like he is one of their own because their own players don’t have the ability to dominate India like this.

I mean their king Babar is a total dud against India. Utterly clueless against Indian bowling and has been throughout his career except one innings where he was carried by Rizwan.
Man it's okay don't worry india lost, but the way you're commenting I think like other billion people you have also lost it
 
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Kohli’s innings in the 2013 CT final won them the match. His partnership with Gambhir in the 2011 final when he was the infancy of his career also played a massive role in the World Cup win.

He has multiple player of the tournament awards. He scored an 89* in the 2016 T20 World Cup semifinal and another unbeaten half-century in the 2014 final.

He has been absolutely brilliant player in ICC tournaments as well but has been let down by his teammates.

Kohli is the GOAT in white ball cricket. It is not even a debate. There are only 2-3 players in history who can compete with him in the shorter formats and no Pakistani including Babar is anywhere close to that level.

Travis Head is a very good player, could be a Warner or Hayden type player for Australia, he is no spring chicken but has 5-6 years left in his tank but one innings doesn’t make you a GOAT contender.

Travis Head has become Pakistani fans’ chachu now and they will vent out their frustration and anger through him and act like he is one of their own because their own players don’t have the ability to dominate India like this.

I mean their king Babar is a total dud against India. Utterly clueless against Indian bowling and has been throughout his career except one innings where he was carried by Rizwan.

The GOAT white ball batsman is forever Ricky Ponting.
 
The GOAT white ball batsman is forever Ricky Ponting.
Maybe for Australia fans, but overall he is not even top 3. Kohli, Sir Viv and Tendulkar are all better than him and he doesn’t out perform any of them if they are playing in the same team.
 
I literally never said that. You’re putting words in my mouth. India have had golden boys before too and not everyone survived. If someone better than Gill comes around he will be chucked out, so the pressure is huge on him to live up to the tag and keep himself ahead of the competition.

Kohli also had to deal with huge pressure. He was never a golden boy or a true prodigy like Rohit, but he forced himself to be the next big thing in Indian cricket with his sheer will and determination which is why by 2011, he had displaced Rohit as India’s biggest hope.

At that time, he had drawn comparisons with Tendulkar and the pressure and expectations could have got to him but he didn’t break.

I don’t expect Gill to break either. He has a very strong support system in his family who keep him in check. He will be a great player for sure but whether he can be as good as Kohli is a different matter, because there are great players and then there is Kohli.
The pressure does not stem only from retaining your place in the side. There is pressure of expectations, critics and media. The part you’re conveniently ignoring is that Gill’s runs are not make or break for India. His contributions were akin to what Mohammad Haris can do even better for Pakistan. A few quick fire 30s and 40s look good on the screen but rarely define the result of the game. He is carried by Kohli and Rohit now and his true test will come after the two main wheels come off.
As for Babar, his runs are make or break for Pakistan.
Gill's batting needs refinement – he ought to choose between playing shots on the ground or going over the top. His tendency to play too many shots in the middle often leads to opportunities for the opposition. A glance at his dismissals reveals a pattern – falling prey to similar aerial shots at catching height. Test cricket serves as a solid litmus test for one's technique, and an average of 30 after 18 tests doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
He may very well by the “next king” but right now he cannot even be compared to Abdullah.
 
No. He is mediocre vs swing and mediocre vs spin.
Already mentioned it. He is good vs pace and bounce and on flat tracks only. He will be good in SA
 
Kohli’s innings in the 2013 CT final won them the match. His partnership with Gambhir in the 2011 final when he was the infancy of his career also played a massive role in the World Cup win.

He has multiple player of the tournament awards. He scored an 89* in the 2016 T20 World Cup semifinal and another unbeaten half-century in the 2014 final.

He has been absolutely brilliant player in ICC tournaments as well but has been let down by his teammates.

Kohli is the GOAT in white ball cricket. It is not even a debate. There are only 2-3 players in history who can compete with him in the shorter formats and no Pakistani including Babar is anywhere close to that level.

Travis Head is a very good player, could be a Warner or Hayden type player for Australia, he is no spring chicken but has 5-6 years left in his tank but one innings doesn’t make you a GOAT contender.

Travis Head has become Pakistani fans’ chachu now and they will vent out their frustration and anger through him and act like he is one of their own because their own players don’t have the ability to dominate India like this.

I mean their king Babar is a total dud against India. Utterly clueless against Indian bowling and has been throughout his career except one innings where he was carried by Rizwan.
That CT '13 inning was a T20 inning in disguise. Plus it wasn't even a 50, it was also slow paced as SR merchants would agree here. That was a bowling dominating match. Dhawan was their best player in that tournament as well as CT '17, he was carrying your boy.

All his T20 POTTs, high scores and couldn't even win a single T20 WC out of 5? That is a shame.

If Babar was Dud against India in this WC, Chokli was dud in the same venue in a WC final in front of 130k home supporters. :)
 
Abdullah Shafique is the same age and is the better player. Gill is a T20 hack, he's not good enough to take over from Kohli.

There's no cure for this level of delusion. Neither are they of the same age nor are their skill levels comparable
 
Gill is not the best young cricketer in the world today.

Harry Brook is better than him.
 
Kohli’s innings in the 2013 CT final won them the match. His partnership with Gambhir in the 2011 final when he was the infancy of his career also played a massive role in the World Cup win.

He has multiple player of the tournament awards. He scored an 89* in the 2016 T20 World Cup semifinal and another unbeaten half-century in the 2014 final.

He has been absolutely brilliant player in ICC tournaments as well but has been let down by his teammates.

Kohli is the GOAT in white ball cricket. It is not even a debate. There are only 2-3 players in history who can compete with him in the shorter formats and no Pakistani including Babar is anywhere close to that level.

Travis Head is a very good player, could be a Warner or Hayden type player for Australia, he is no spring chicken but has 5-6 years left in his tank but one innings doesn’t make you a GOAT contender.

Travis Head has become Pakistani fans’ chachu now and they will vent out their frustration and anger through him and act like he is one of their own because their own players don’t have the ability to dominate India like this.

I mean their king Babar is a total dud against India. Utterly clueless against Indian bowling and has been throughout his career except one innings where he was carried by Rizwan.
I feel bad to point this out as I agree that Kohli is the GOAT in white ball cricket, but come on, he did not play a massive role in the 2011 world cup final. I have never seen you do this before to prove your point.
 
I feel bad to point this out as I agree that Kohli is the GOAT in white ball cricket, but come on, he did not play a massive role in the 2011 world cup final. I have never seen you do this before to prove your point.
India were 30/2 chasing 274. Chasing 274 in a World Cup final is far from an easy task and that Sri Lankan attack was very good compared to their current attack.

With both Sehwag and Tendulkar dismissed cheaply, the last thing India could have afforded was to be three down for nothing.

That 93 run partnership between Gambhir and Kohli set up the chase for India and put them back on track.

Dhoni ran away with the plaudits by applying the finish touch, but it was Gambhir and Kohli that saved India.

Sri Lanka would have been favorites if Kohli and Gambhir would not have stitched that partnership together.

Scorecard readers who didn’t watch the game will not understand the value of those 35 runs in 49 balls, but those who watched the game live and lived through the emotions of the final recognize the importance and value of that innings and the character the 23 year old Kohli showed in a World Cup final.

That innings was worth more than a lot of half-centuries and centuries and it was one of the innings that made Kohli who he is today.
 
India were 30/2 chasing 274. Chasing 274 in a World Cup final is far from an easy task and that Sri Lankan attack was very good compared to their current attack.

With both Sehwag and Tendulkar dismissed cheaply, the last thing India could have afforded was to be three down for nothing.

That 93 run partnership between Gambhir and Kohli set up the chase for India and put them back on track.

Dhoni ran away with the plaudits by applying the finish touch, but it was Gambhir and Kohli that saved India.

Sri Lanka would have been favorites if Kohli and Gambhir would not have stitched that partnership together.

Scorecard readers who didn’t watch the game will not understand the value of those 35 runs in 49 balls, but those who watched the game live and lived through the emotions of the final recognize the importance and value of that innings and the character the 23 year old Kohli showed in a World Cup final.

That innings was worth more than a lot of half-centuries and centuries and it was one of the innings that made Kohli who he is today.
I did watch that game and still don't think that Kohli did anything special, if anything he got a start and he should have converted that start into the big one or at least a 50. In cricket, and I am sure you know this, an innings where you get a start but fail to convert into a big one, is considered a flop innings. You used the word massive and massive is when you score a 50 or 100 to help your team win.
 
Gill is talented. I am not convinced with his footwork. He is good with using hands. But when driving the ball or hitting backfoot punches, his feet are pretty much planted in the crease. Even while pulling the ball, his feet does not move. That is why his pull shots end up at short long on and he gets out there. I hope he addresses that. He is too important for India with both Kohli and Rohit getting old.
 
A lot things contributed to India’s loss today. Unfair to pin all blame on Iyer and KL.
Fair to blame KL as he got a start and then continued to play a test match even after scoring a 50.
- Gill finding mid-on on a quite an innocuous delivery. It would have been dispatched for a boundary 9/10 times.
Gill looked nervous and could not hit that ball for a boundary as if he was in two minds.
- Rohit didn’t need to charge Maxwell like a mad man after hitting him for a 6 and 4 already.
Rohit was taking too many risks and it was just a matter of time before he lost his wicket as the ball was not coming onto bat as nicely as in other games that Rohit played.
- Kohli dragging one onto his stumps. It was too close to his body to dab to the third man. Error of judgement.
This happens when the bowlers are not giving you anything and are forcing you to make a mistake. Credit to Austraian bowlers for making it extremely tough for KL and Virat in those middle overs.
- Iyer’s failure and KL’s knock that never gained any momentum.
KL is a mental midget who played a terrible innings and is probably as selfish as some of our players.
- Head riding his luck in the first 10 overs. He was beaten a dozen times by Bumrah and Shami and would have nicked one off on another day.
Wow you are coming up with all kinds of excuses for your Indian players who actually made mistakes and lost their wickets, but the guy who was the man of the match could have nicked one off on another day, Hilarious. How do you do this?
All of these factors played an equal role in India’s demise today.
 
Guys, please stop discussing other players in this thread. Gill should be the focus here instead you guys are talking about Kohli.

Please read the title of the post and then comment here.

All irrelevant posts will be removed.
 
Gill had a hugely disappointing WC, dengue or not. He himself will accept that which is good.
 
He had a great chance to make amends in the finals but he succumbed while playing a glory stroke. Had he played a foil to Rohit who was going great guns at the other end, result might have been different.

Anyways, hope this WC was a great lesson for Gill who still has a great future ahead of him.
 
Yasir Shah has a 100 in Australia.so if Abdullah gets 92 will you say its bigger than Gill entire career ?
Gill is good vs bounce and pace. And on flat wickets. On turners, slow pitches or if there is swing in the air he is doomed.
 
No arguments over Naseem and Chacha but Abdullah seems to me of his age otherwise he would have started a domestic career earlier than he did.

Please provide some proof of his age instead of talking stupidly without any proof.

He cant provide proof.
 
I am shocked why people are comparing him to Virat Kohli or Sachin Tendulkar. Mark my words, he is just another KL Rahul or Shreyas Iyer.
 
Yeah he'll be fine. Already a fantastic batsman and by 2027 I think he'll be far and away the best batsman in the world
 
That would be Pakistani fans in this World Cup:klopp
Pakistani fans are quite reasonable in this thread and are trying to discuss cricket, but you clearly have a problem with them. That’s why you are coming with all kinds of weird stuff. Btw Abdullah Shafique’s father age is 46 and his uncle’s age is 47, meaning his father got married at the age of
Shafique is one of the biggest age cheats in the Pakistan team. He is at least 28.

You always pick the wrong battle.

Amla is better than Kohli
Amla is better than Rohit
Babar is better than Kohli
Hassan Ali is better than Bumrah
Shafique is better than Gill

🤡

His father's age is 46 and uncle's 47, so his parents got married at the age of 17 and gave birth to Shafique within a year, lmao
 
Pakistani fans are quite reasonable in this thread and are trying to discuss cricket, but you clearly have a problem with them. That’s why you are coming with all kinds of weird stuff. Btw Abdullah Shafique’s father age is 46 and his uncle’s age is 47, meaning his father got married at the age of


His father's age is 46 and uncle's 47, so his parents got married at the age of 17 and gave birth to Shafique within a year, lmao
Age-cheating happens outside of cricket too. Quite a few people reduce their ages on NIC because it leads to more work opportunities for them especially in the public sector because government jobs usually have an age of limit of 30, which means a lot of 33-34 years old try to sneak in.

It is very doable because all you need is put some money in the pockets of the folks who are processing your NIC. I have a few friends who have done the same. They were born in 1990-1991 but their NICs say 1994 etc.

Besides, it is not uncommon at all for people in Pakistan, especially from the small cities, villages and rural towns, to get married at 16 and have a child by 17.

You can go to Shafique’s Instagram and look at his pictures from 2018-19 when he was supposedly a “teenager”. It couldn't be more obvious that he is an age-cheat.
 
If football equivalence it would be like saying Arteta is the best young manager in the world but both have done sweet fa. :)
 
I think he will do great in ODIs and T20is. He might do well in tests too, but it does not seem like his best format. His strength is his weakness. He plays through the line and has quick reflexes, but he does not play the ball very late nor does he have great footwork.
 
Which picture are you talking about? Can you please post that picture here so we can all comment on it and figure out if he is really older than his listed age.
yeah I had a look at his Instagram too. He seems pretty normal.
 
I think he will do great in ODIs and T20is. He might do well in tests too, but it does not seem like his best format. His strength is his weakness. He plays through the line and has quick reflexes, but he does not play the ball very late nor does he have great footwork.
Absolutely. suggesting we're envious of Indian batting talent, but that's not the case. India boasts more depth and talent in their batting than Pakistan could even dream of.

You're right on the money. Gill seems destined for a Sehwag-like career, albeit on a more modest scale. While he may outshine Sehwag in ODIs and T20s, his impact in tests, especially on bowler-friendly pitches, might not match up. Expect him to dominate on flat tracks due to his quick hand-eye coordination, minimal footwork, and a penchant for playing through the line. The catch, however, is that many of his strokes end up at catching height, a deliberate choice that results in him getting caught in the circle.

To overcome this, Gill should consider either focusing on playing along the ground, similar to how Babar excels, or going big. The looming challenge for him is managing the hype brigade. Personally, I find Ishan Kishan a more favorable option, especially considering he's left-handed.
 
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Since England's tour of India (the Axar Patel series) during Covid, I've been hearing about how good Gill is meant to be, yet everytime I've seen him play I've been left disappointed.

I'm not claiming to have watched every single game that he's played during that period, but I've seen enough to know that he'll have his day, and he'll do well on it, but I haven't seen any real star quality in him. This WC was a microcosm of the overall impression I have of him; starts and flashes of brilliance but ultimately nothing of substance - any significant score was either undermined or overshadowed by a massive team total (80* out of 398) or a quick-fire cameo (Rohit, Shreyas) / match-winning knock (Kohli).

Decent-to-good but he's not THAT guy yet*
 
If you are going to reverse your age like him, Ihsanullah, Rashid Khan etc., at least take down some of your old pictures on the internet to not get exposed.
 
Absolutely. suggesting we're envious of Indian batting talent, but that's not the case. India boasts more depth and talent in their batting than Pakistan could even dream of.

You're right on the money. Gill seems destined for a Sehwag-like career, albeit on a more modest scale. While he may outshine Sehwag in ODIs and T20s, his impact in tests, especially on bowler-friendly pitches, might not match up. Expect him to dominate on flat tracks due to his quick hand-eye coordination, minimal footwork, and a penchant for playing through the line. The catch, however, is that many of his strokes end up at catching height, a deliberate choice that results in him getting caught in the circle.

To overcome this, Gill should consider either focusing on playing along the ground, similar to how Babar excels, or going big. The looming challenge for him is managing the hype brigade. Personally, I find Ishan Kishan a more favorable option, especially considering he's left-handed.
There’s nothing that Gill needs to learn from Babar. He is already better than Babar and he has much better role-models than Babar in his team that he can learn from.
 
There’s nothing that Gill needs to learn from Babar. He is already better than Babar and he has much better role-models than Babar in his team that he can learn from.
Yes, Gill is the best ever batter. He’s got nothing to learn.
 
There’s nothing that Gill needs to learn from Babar. He is already better than Babar and he has much better role-models than Babar in his team that he can learn from.
Gill is unlikely to retain a spot in the Indian test side in the coming years. Don't expect him to match the impact of players like Babar or Abdullah in the longer format. His strength seems to lie in ODIs, where he may outshine Abdullah but fall short of Babar's performance. Bookmark this post.
 
Gill is unlikely to retain a spot in the Indian test side in the coming years. Don't expect him to match the impact of players like Babar or Abdullah in the longer format. His strength seems to lie in ODIs, where he may outshine Abdullah but fall short of Babar's performance. Bookmark this post.
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His 91 in Australia is bigger than Shafique’s entire Test career. What impact are you talking about?

Gill would average 80+ at a SR of 80+ on the Pakistani highways on which Shafique is doing tuk tuk at a SR of 35.

Speaking of not retaining a spot in the Test team, Gill isn’t going anywhere because he is India’s premier all-format opener after Sharma.

Someone like Babar would struggle to retain a spot in the Indian Test team though, considering how much he struggles vs spin.

Shafique wouldn’t be anywhere near the Indian Test team and you are claiming that he is better than Gill.

Gill vs Shafique is bad a comparison as Kohli vs Babar, Bumrah vs Shaheen, Pandya vs Faheem etc.

They always insist that their player is superior than his Indian counterpart only for the reality to sink in a few years.

Gill vs Shafique is already a bad enough comparison but give it a few years and it will be an utterly embarrassing comparison.
 
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There’s nothing that Gill needs to learn from Babar. He is already better than Babar and he has much better role-models than Babar in his team that he can learn from.
That's a weird statement. Every batter can learn something from another good player. Babar may not be as good as his hype, but you make it seem like he is some joke.

His timing, balance, ability to play the ball late is incredible. He doesn't dominate bowlers like other players but there are many things Gill can learn from him vice versa.
 
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His 91 in Australia is bigger than Shafique’s entire Test career. What impact are you talking about?

Gill would average 80+ at a SR of 80+ on the Pakistani highways on which Shafique is doing tuk tuk at a SR of 35.

Speaking of not retaining a spot in the Test team, Gill isn’t going anywhere because he is India’s premier all-format opener after Sharma.

Someone like Babar would struggle to retain a spot in the Indian Test team though, considering how much he struggles vs spin.

Shafique wouldn’t be anywhere near the Indian Test team and you are claiming that he is better than Gill.

Gill vs Shafique is bad a comparison as Kohli vs Babar, Bumrah vs Shaheen, Pandya vs Faheem etc.

They always insist that their player is superior than his Indian counterpart only for the reality to sink in a few years.

Gill vs Shafique is already a bad enough comparison but give it a few years and it will be an utterly embarrassing comparison.
Shafique has not been an home track bully. He has already scored a double century away. He averages 70 and 50 in SL and Bangladesh respectively, where King Kohli averages 43 and 14 respectively at the same venues respectively after nearly the same number of games.

With his current technique, Gill will be better T20 and ODI batter than Abdullah, specially on flat wickets.
 
Gill is good for ODIs and T20Is, Test is not his game.
While acknowledging that circumstances can evolve, presently, Gill's technique suggests a flourishing career in ODIs, benefiting from less formidable line-ups, and a commendable T20 journey. While I likened him to Sehwag earlier, it's worth noting Sehwag's superior test technique. Gill's trajectory might mirror Dhawan's, but achieving more in ICC events is essential. His potential greatness could align with players like Sehwag, Yuvraj, and Ganguly, but surpassing Kohli's GOAT status seems unlikely at this point. Time will unveil the true trajectory of his career.
 
Gill is good for ODIs and T20Is, Test is not his game.
Actually T20's is not his game either even though he has some success there. He can easily be contained and does not have the range of shots for an opener. He scores mainly in the V arc. He needs some time to get going. Jaiswal is ahead of him in T20 game.
His game is limited. I feel he will eventually succeed in Tests and ODI's. As for T20's, India has better options to choose from.
 
That's a weird statement. Every batter can learn something from another good player. Babar may not be as good as his hype, but you make it seem like he is some joke.

His timing, balance, ability to play the ball late is incredible. He doesn't dominate bowlers like other players but there are many things Gill can learn from him vice versa.
Describing Babar, who is the No.1 ranked ODI batter currently, as a "world-class" batter, Gill said they follow his batting style and admire him. "Yes, definitely we follow him. When a player is doing well. Everyone watches him to find out why they are doing so good, what their speciality is. The same thing goes for Babar. He is a world-class player and we all do admire him,"
 
Actually T20's is not his game either even though he has some success there. He can easily be contained and does not have the range of shots for an opener. He scores mainly in the V arc. He needs some time to get going. Jaiswal is ahead of him in T20 game.
His game is limited. I feel he will eventually succeed in Tests and ODI's. As for T20's, India has better options to choose from.
Yup. He will face a lot of competition from better T20 batters in India for sure. But I think he will have a good T20 career anyway as an anchor.
 
While acknowledging that circumstances can evolve, presently, Gill's technique suggests a flourishing career in ODIs, benefiting from less formidable line-ups, and a commendable T20 journey. While I likened him to Sehwag earlier, it's worth noting Sehwag's superior test technique. Gill's trajectory might mirror Dhawan's, but achieving more in ICC events is essential. His potential greatness could align with players like Sehwag, Yuvraj, and Ganguly, but surpassing Kohli's GOAT status seems unlikely at this point. Time will unveil the true trajectory of his career.
I like the comparison between Gill and Sehwag although I feel Prithvi Shaw is more akin to Sehwag. Sehwag with minimal footwork seemed to excel in tests and scored in some difficult conditions. What makes his technique superior to Gills.
 
As of now, he is all flash and hype but no substance. Good on flat decks or pitches which has true bounce.
 
According to Media Sources:

IPL 2024: Shubman Gill To Lead Gujarat Titans After Hardik Pandya Returns To Mumbai Indians

The decision came after their regular skipper and star all-rounder Hardik Pandya got traded to his old franchise Mumbai Indians in all-cash deal.

India opening batter Shubman Gill will has been appointed as the new skipper of Indian Premier League franchise Gujarat Titans for 2024 season. The decision came after their regular skipper and star all-rounder Hardik Pandya got traded to his old franchise Mumbai Indians in all-cash deal. In GT's debut season in 2022, Hardik ensured a fairytale start, with the team lifting the coveted trophy, while they finished runners-up in their second season. On the other hand, Gill played an integral part in the both the seasons for Gujarat.

Taking to X (formerly Twitter), Gujarat Titans announced the appointment of Gill as their new captain for the season.

"Gill will be leading a team which has an unparalleled combination of experience and youthful exuberance, which has been the hallmark of the Gujarat Titans," a statement from Gujarat Titans read.

Gill has amassed 1373 runs in 33 innings at an average of 47.34, with three centuries and eight fifties. Last season was monumental for the opener as he slammed 890 runs in 17 matches at an average of 59.33, with three centuries and four fifties and was also named Orange Cap winner.

The opener was instrumental in GT's sensation run since its debut in the IPL. Last season, he smoked 129 runs in a 60 balls against Mumbai Indians, the highest by a batter in the IPL playoffs.

"I am delighted and proud to assume the Captaincy of Gujarat Titans and thank the franchise for their trust in me to lead such a fine team. We have had two exceptional seasons and I keenly look forward to leading the team with our exciting brand of cricket," Gill said on the announcement.

After winning the Indian Premier League (IPL) in their debut season in 2022, GT reached the finals in the next season, losing to Chennai Super Kings (CSK).

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Gill also hammered three centuries in the last IPL. Only Royal Challengers Bangalore (RCB) batter Virat Kohli (2016) and Rajasthan Royals batter Jos Buttler (2022) had more in a single IPL season, scoring four each.
 
While speaking to the media Lara stated that Gill is very much capable of breaking his numerous records.

"Shubman Gill can break both my records. Gill is the most talented batter in this new generation. He will rule cricket in the coming years. I believe he will go on to break many big records. He (Gill) can do it (break my records). If Gill plays County cricket then he can break my 501*. In Test cricket, he can surely go past 400,”

“Shubman will score big, mark my words. Gill didn't score a century (in the World Cup) but look at the knocks he has already played. He has centuries in all formats, has smashed a double hundred in ODIs and has also played many match-winnings in the IPL. I'm sure he will win many ICC tournaments in the future.”
 
While speaking to the media Lara stated that Gill is very much capable of breaking his numerous records.

"Shubman Gill can break both my records. Gill is the most talented batter in this new generation. He will rule cricket in the coming years. I believe he will go on to break many big records. He (Gill) can do it (break my records). If Gill plays County cricket then he can break my 501*. In Test cricket, he can surely go past 400,”

“Shubman will score big, mark my words. Gill didn't score a century (in the World Cup) but look at the knocks he has already played. He has centuries in all formats, has smashed a double hundred in ODIs and has also played many match-winnings in the IPL. I'm sure he will win many ICC tournaments in the future.”

LOL...Lara is surely trolling. Shubhman Gill is very overhyped batsman...the initial success has gone to his head it seems.
 
In World Cup he flopped and now he's flopping even worse.

Not even the best young cricketer in his own team.

Is there anything to like really about current Gill?
 
Shubman Gill held the No. 1 ranking in ODI cricket for just 42 days.

Can he get the top spot again?
 
Shubman Gill held the No. 1 ranking in ODI cricket for just 42 days.

Can he get the top spot again?

I don't think anybody cares about that. India has far too many youngsters coming through. India will continue experimenting to build the bench as INdia's transition is on the cards. Jaiswal, Gaikwad, Sai Sudarshan, Kishan. Even Prithvi shaw might join the party soon. Missed matches will cause a drop in rankings. That's okay.
 
No Nagpur pitch
No Ahmedabad cement wicket
No full toss bowler
No IPL

Shabnam Gill is Out for 2(12) in First Test against South Africa. Such an overrated player.
 
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