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BouncerGuy said:
The only missing piece in Bumrah's career is a world-class performance in big matches. Finals and semi-finals come and Bumrah goes missing.
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On that count, Munaf Patel is better than Waqar and Steyn, and Lehman is better than Lara and AB De Villiers. Teams win trophies, individuals don’t.
 
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BouncerGuy said:
The only missing piece in Bumrah's career is a world-class performance in big matches. Finals and semi-finals come and Bumrah goes missing.
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If you are part of a garbage chokers he cannot do everything batting bowling fielding. INdia lost in almost all those games because of batting. Not bowling.
 
charlie007 said:
On that count, Munaf Patel is better than Waqar and Steyn, and Lehman is better than Lara and AB De Villiers. Teams win trophies, individuals don’t.
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LOL... what ICC tournament trophy did Bumrah win brother??

Not saying that Bumrah is a nothing bowler. See my older posts as well before passing any judgment.
 
Summary of Bumrah's performances in knockout games of ICC trophies:
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ICC World Twenty20 (T20 World Cup) 2016​

  • Semi-final vs. West Indies (March 31, 2016):
    • Bowling Figures: 4 overs, 42 runs, 1 wicket​

ICC Champions Trophy 2017​

  • Semi-final vs. Bangladesh (June 15, 2017):
    • Bowling Figures: 8 overs, 39 runs, 2 wickets​
  • Final vs. Pakistan (June 18, 2017):
    • Bowling Figures: 9 overs, 68 runs, 0 wickets​

ICC Cricket World Cup 2019​

  • Semi-final vs. New Zealand (July 9-10, 2019):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 39 runs, 1 wicket​

ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021​

India did not reach the knockout stage, so no relevant matches.​

ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2022​

  • Semi-final vs. England (November 10, 2022):
    • Bumrah did not play in this tournament due to injury.​

ICC World Test Championship Final 2019-2021​

  • Final vs. New Zealand (June 18-23, 2021):
    • Bowling Figures (First Innings): 26 overs, 57 runs, 0 wickets​
    • Bowling Figures (Second Innings): 24 overs, 35 runs, 0 wickets​

ICC World Test Championship Final 2021-2023​

  • Final vs. Australia (June 7-11, 2023):
    • Bumrah did not play in this final due to injury.​

ICC ODI World Cup 2023​

  • Semi-final vs. New Zealand (November 15, 2023):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 45 runs, 1 wicket
  • Final vs. Australia (November 19, 2023):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 40 runs, 2 wickets
Bumrah has had a mix of performances in knockout games, with some effective spells, particularly in the 2017 Champions Trophy semi-final against Bangladesh, and less impactful ones, notably in the 2017 Champions Trophy final and the 2021 World Test Championship final.


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Croma said:
Summary of Bumrah's performances in knockout games of ICC trophies:
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ICC World Twenty20 (T20 World Cup) 2016​

  • Semi-final vs. West Indies (March 31, 2016):
    • Bowling Figures: 4 overs, 42 runs, 1 wicket​

ICC Champions Trophy 2017​

  • Semi-final vs. Bangladesh (June 15, 2017):
    • Bowling Figures: 8 overs, 39 runs, 2 wickets​
  • Final vs. Pakistan (June 18, 2017):
    • Bowling Figures: 9 overs, 68 runs, 0 wickets​

ICC Cricket World Cup 2019​

  • Semi-final vs. New Zealand (July 9-10, 2019):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 39 runs, 1 wicket​

ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021​

India did not reach the knockout stage, so no relevant matches.​

ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2022​

  • Semi-final vs. England (November 10, 2022):
    • Bumrah did not play in this tournament due to injury.​

ICC World Test Championship Final 2019-2021​

  • Final vs. New Zealand (June 18-23, 2021):
    • Bowling Figures (First Innings): 26 overs, 57 runs, 0 wickets​
    • Bowling Figures (Second Innings): 24 overs, 35 runs, 0 wickets​

ICC World Test Championship Final 2021-2023​

  • Final vs. Australia (June 7-11, 2023):
    • Bumrah did not play in this final due to injury.​

ICC ODI World Cup 2023​

  • Semi-final vs. New Zealand (November 15, 2023):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 45 runs, 1 wicket
  • Final vs. Australia (November 19, 2023):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 40 runs, 2 wickets
Bumrah has had a mix of performances in knockout games, with some effective spells, particularly in the 2017 Champions Trophy semi-final against Bangladesh, and less impactful ones, notably in the 2017 Champions Trophy final and the 2021 World Test Championship final.


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This sums up my post. Thanks
BouncerGuy said:
The only missing piece in Bumrah's career is a world-class performance in big matches. Finals and semi-finals come and Bumrah goes missing.
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Could not win his team a game when mattered the most...But he surely is a world-class bowler for sure. No doubt about it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What about Ambrose? Dale Steyn? Dennis Lille?

None of them are great?
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Yes that was my argument. Winning WC titles cannot be the only criteria for greatness in cricket. This has been the common theme in this forum where players are called great only when it suits their narrative. Sachin before 2011 & now Bumrah are set some ridiculous benchmarks but the same does not apply to Waqar Younis or for Brian Lara etc.
 
Paul Collingwood, while speaking to the media at a local Indian sports channel:

“I think if you had a piece of paper and had to pick a cricket team, in any form of the game, Jasprit Bumrah would be the first name going on that list right at the top. It's as simple as that. He's the best cricketer in the world at this moment. The skill level, the pace, the deception that he has in T20 cricket is incredible.”
 
Croma said:
Summary of Bumrah's performances in knockout games of ICC trophies:
​

ICC World Twenty20 (T20 World Cup) 2016​

  • Semi-final vs. West Indies (March 31, 2016):
    • Bowling Figures: 4 overs, 42 runs, 1 wicket​

ICC Champions Trophy 2017​

  • Semi-final vs. Bangladesh (June 15, 2017):
    • Bowling Figures: 8 overs, 39 runs, 2 wickets​
  • Final vs. Pakistan (June 18, 2017):
    • Bowling Figures: 9 overs, 68 runs, 0 wickets​

ICC Cricket World Cup 2019​

  • Semi-final vs. New Zealand (July 9-10, 2019):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 39 runs, 1 wicket​

ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021​

India did not reach the knockout stage, so no relevant matches.​

ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2022​

  • Semi-final vs. England (November 10, 2022):
    • Bumrah did not play in this tournament due to injury.​

ICC World Test Championship Final 2019-2021​

  • Final vs. New Zealand (June 18-23, 2021):
    • Bowling Figures (First Innings): 26 overs, 57 runs, 0 wickets​
    • Bowling Figures (Second Innings): 24 overs, 35 runs, 0 wickets​

ICC World Test Championship Final 2021-2023​

  • Final vs. Australia (June 7-11, 2023):
    • Bumrah did not play in this final due to injury.​

ICC ODI World Cup 2023​

  • Semi-final vs. New Zealand (November 15, 2023):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 45 runs, 1 wicket
  • Final vs. Australia (November 19, 2023):
    • Bowling Figures: 10 overs, 40 runs, 2 wickets
Bumrah has had a mix of performances in knockout games, with some effective spells, particularly in the 2017 Champions Trophy semi-final against Bangladesh, and less impactful ones, notably in the 2017 Champions Trophy final and the 2021 World Test Championship final.


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Very nice summary. At this point, there's no doubt that Bumrah is
1. India's greatest ever quick
2. One of the top 3 Asian quicks ever
3. One of the top 15 quicks ever

To move into contention for true greatest status i.e. be talked of in the same breath as the likes of Marshall, McGrath, Akram etc., you're right that the only thing missing in his resume is that iconic performance in a deciding game when the stakes are all or nothing. You don't need many of those. Just a couple to add put the cherry of top of a track record of excellence.

I'm hoping this next game (and hopefully the one after that) are where he adds that to his growing legend. He's in his absolute prime, peak fitness and has added wisdom and cricket knowhow to his already awesome physical gifts and talent.
 
JaDed said:
He makes Indians watch bowling instead of batsman, never did I think that would happen.
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Perfect !

I'd add Fast Bowling in particular.

Shami, Bumrah, Siraj and Co have made fast bowling a pleasure to watch.

And following that comes Ashwin and Jadeja.

I watch ball by ball of test matches now , something I used to never do, especially if India were bowling. The way they bowl in tandem, hunting together, weaving elaborate traps. The sheer joy of watching cricket.
 
Red-Indian said:
Very nice summary. At this point, there's no doubt that Bumrah is
1. India's greatest ever quick
2. One of the top 3 Asian quicks ever
3. One of the top 15 quicks ever

To move into contention for true greatest status i.e. be talked of in the same breath as the likes of Marshall, McGrath, Akram etc., you're right that the only thing missing in his resume is that iconic performance in a deciding game when the stakes are all or nothing. You don't need many of those. Just a couple to add put the cherry of top of a track record of excellence.

I'm hoping this next game (and hopefully the one after that) are where he adds that to his growing legend. He's in his absolute prime, peak fitness and has added wisdom and cricket knowhow to his already awesome physical gifts and talent.
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What iconic performance of Marshall in a deciding match can you list ?
 
Sir Alex said:
What iconic performance of Marshall in a deciding match can you list ?
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Maybe Marshall did have some of those but I'm no cricket historian or Marshall expert so can't recall any.

But if the point you're making is that there are other paths to all time greatness then you're right. If Bumrah can continue to pile up those wickets for a few more years say get to 300+ in tests & ODIs and whatever the number is in T20s while maintaining his current stunning averages and strike rates, there'll be no denying his position in the rarified top of the stratosphere. Marshall's fame is mainly based on that - 350+ wickets at the unbelievable average of under 21.

It's a harder path though.
 
Red-Indian said:
Maybe Marshall did have some of those but I'm no cricket historian or Marshall expert so can't recall any.

But if the point you're making is that there are other paths to all time greatness then you're right. If Bumrah can continue to pile up those wickets for a few more years say get to 300+ in tests & ODIs and whatever the number is in T20s while maintaining his current stunning averages and strike rates, there'll be no denying his position in the rarified top of the stratosphere. Marshall's fame is mainly based on that - 350+ wickets at the unbelievable average of under 21.

It's a harder path though.
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Agree.

Longevity is an underrated factor in int cricket. Sachin for example provided the output of two all time great batsmen in one career. Bumrah for now is an absolute joy to watch and savor and those numbers are just icing on the cake. Let him continue entertaining us as long as he can.
 
Jasprit Bumrah in ICC knockouts:

1/42 (4) vs WI, T20 WC 2016 s/f
2/39 (10) vs BAN, CT 2017 s/f
0/68 (9) vs PAK, CT 2017, final
1/39 (10) vs NZ, ODI WC 2019 sf
0/57 (26) & 0/35(10.4) vs NZ, WTC 2021 final
1/64 (10) vs NZ, ODI WC 2023 s/f
2/43 (9) vs AUS, ODI WC 2023 final

He will be the X-factor today against England.
 
Mesozoic said:
Even better..

Sreesanth is a better bowler than Dale Steyn, Waqar, Allan Donald, Curtly Ambrose etc.

Sreesanth - 2 World Cups
All the others combined - 0 🤡
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You forgot to mention the terrific Joginder Sharma who also has 1 World Cup trophy to his name.
 
India cricket legend Kapil Dev while speaking to a local channel:

"Bumrah is 1000 times better than me. These young boys are far better than us. We had more experience. They are better."

"They are very good. Outstanding. They are fitter. They are much more hardworking. They are fantastic."
 
giri26 said:
You forgot to mention the terrific Joginder Sharma who also has 1 World Cup trophy to his name.
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Joginder sharma is often portrayed as some kind of lucky loser. But he was the one who bowled 20th over against Australia in the semi final. Took out Mike Hussey and one more wicket. THey needed 20 odd runs or so. Similarly He bowled 20th over against Pakistan. Also he contained them with 3 overs 20 runs when he started that over. Because of the way Misbah got out Joginder is portrayed as a poor bowler. He was one of the reason why India won the world cup. The first 3 overs he bowled.
 
Mesozoic said:
Even better..

Sreesanth is a better bowler than Dale Steyn, Waqar, Allan Donald, Curtly Ambrose etc.

Sreesanth - 2 World Cups
All the others combined - 0 🤡
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Dale steyn semi final couldn't defend 15 runs or so. But Sreesanth bowled one of the most breathtaking semi final spell in World t20 history. 4 overs 12 runs. Clean bowling rampaging Gilly and Haydos.
 
kach said:
Bumrah's reputation going missing in big games comes from the CT debacle. It isn't that he has bowled badly following that, it is the rest of team has let him down. Apart from the batsman failing, there were crucial catches dropped of his bowling in those knockout games. I dont care about players from other teams, their fans and management need to figure out why they couldnt win the world cup. Its simple, Bumrah's contribution to India becoming a tier 1 team is immense and arguably more than anybody else. I could only look at it from an Indian perspective. India may never produce a bowler like him again.
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Lol bunrah was raw I'm 2017
He had some bad ones in ko that time. Look what happened last 3 4 times when bumrah faced Pakistan. Destroyed Pakistan.

In 2019 he bowled well.
In 2021 he was playing with an injury in wtc. Thats india fault dor selecting him. He had a stress fracture after.

2021 dint play wtc final.

And then vs england he dint play either in 2022

He did do bad in that t20 game vs pakistan.

2023 he bowled well in a high scoring game in semis

Finals too he did well. It's batsman's fault for losing that game and rohitlet the game slip after getting aus down to 47/3 by playing useless spinners when there was dew.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Dale steyn semi final couldn't defend 15 runs or so. But Sreesanth bowled one of the most breathtaking semi final spell in World t20 history. 4 overs 12 runs. Clean bowling rampaging Gilly and Haydos.
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Sreesanth is a underrated bowler. In world cups
 
RahulBose said:
Well they are not better bowlers, they are better bullies.
That's what gives Australians their self confidence, they are basically bullies who live in a culture that supports it .
It is difficult for Asians to be bullies, there are exceptions like Kohli, but mostly all act as Acha beta.
This acha beta complex is found in guys like Bumrah who would work harder at his craft than anyone else but never have that killer instinct that comes from being a bully.
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What accha bacha. Bunrah destroyed the Aussies in tests matches. He is not an accha baccha. Only reason india failed in 2023 wc was due to selections in the final. They selected usless sky Rahul instead of the better younger gens on bench and also dint have pandya who is a clutch player.

Bumrah is a better bowler than all 3. Best in the world.

India got rid of one useless guy in kl. Just kohli left now and jadeja.

India may win now that useless meek rahul isnt playing. But ideally they should drop the other 2 chokers. In LOI. In tests jadeja is a whole another beast.
 
Bumrah benefits from having a controversial action.

As far as I am aware, he has never been tested in an ICC lab.
 
TheSultan said:
I’m impressed with Bumrah since his return from injury. He’s turned in to a pretty useful medium pacer and seems to be swinging it both ways. It’s lucky he’s playing in this era.

Swing at baby pace in previous eras wouldn’t have got far
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To be honest pre 2000 era was a weak era. Bowlers benefitted from the rules. They would struggle in modern era.
If this guy had access to sand paper, bottle caps etc he would average 10 in 90s.
 
TheSultan said:
I’m impressed with Bumrah since his return from injury. He’s turned in to a pretty useful medium pacer and seems to be swinging it both ways. It’s lucky he’s playing in this era.

Swing at baby pace in previous eras wouldn’t have got far
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Swinging at even worse pace Venkatesh Prassad sent Pakistan home in worldcup which was a knockout lol and yeah even in 1999 sent PcT batsmen to pavillion.

Even Indian women bowl faster than Prassad.
 
TheSultan said:
I’m impressed with Bumrah since his return from injury. He’s turned in to a pretty useful medium pacer and seems to be swinging it both ways. It’s lucky he’s playing in this era.

Swing at baby pace in previous eras wouldn’t have got far
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He bowls 140k+ and swings the ball consistently.

That’s faster than most of Wasims career and faster than later part of Waqars career.

Wasim is the greatest left arm pacer and was quite effective at his baby pace in eras you mentioned.
 
TheSultan said:
I’m impressed with Bumrah since his return from injury. He’s turned in to a pretty useful medium pacer and seems to be swinging it both ways. It’s lucky he’s playing in this era.

Swing at baby pace in previous eras wouldn’t have got far
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So bitter, love it. May Bumrah continue to cause more heartburn.

We have all seen what happened to supherphaast Waqar and Shoaib in wc matches against India
 
TheSultan said:
I’m impressed with Bumrah since his return from injury. He’s turned in to a pretty useful medium pacer and seems to be swinging it both ways. It’s lucky he’s playing in this era.

Swing at baby pace in previous eras wouldn’t have got far
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You should have your own Pakistani TV show. The jazba and attitude, they are all there. But most importantly, the ability to assume the default superior starting position, from where you can then talk down about Indian bowlers in a patronizing tone :dhoni
 
kron said:
What accha bacha. Bunrah destroyed the Aussies in tests matches. He is not an accha baccha. Only reason india failed in 2023 wc was due to selections in the final. They selected usless sky Rahul instead of the better younger gens on bench and also dint have pandya who is a clutch player.

Bumrah is a better bowler than all 3. Best in the world.

India got rid of one useless guy in kl. Just kohli left now and jadeja.

India may win now that useless meek rahul isnt playing. But ideally they should drop the other 2 chokers. In LOI. In tests jadeja is a whole another beast.
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Wow, your opinion on Bumrah changed a lot. Surprised
 
FearlessRoar said:
India cricket legend Kapil Dev while speaking to a local channel:

"Bumrah is 1000 times better than me. These young boys are far better than us. We had more experience. They are better."

"They are very good. Outstanding. They are fitter. They are much more hardworking. They are fantastic."
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Can’t compare eras, bowlers and batsmen from today’s time are obviously better than their counterparts from 70s/80s. That’s just how the game has evolved.

But those same bowlers/batsmen from 70s/80s with modern facilities/data/training facilities/diet/technology/rules etc etc can be even better than the current generation of players.
 
There is high possibility that Bumrah will retire as a bonafide ATG and the second best fast bowler from Asia after Wasim by the time he retires.

Subject to fitness/longevity.
 
big_gamer007 said:
He bowls 140k+ and swings the ball consistently.

That’s faster than most of Wasims career and faster than later part of Waqars career.

Wasim is the greatest left arm pacer and was quite effective at his baby pace in eras you mentioned.
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Waqar was 137 to 145 in early 90s
Mid 90s and after he was just 130 to 140

Wasim was 138 to 147 in early 90s
Then mid 90s onwards 133 to 142 ish.

Bumrah is faster than both.
 
Mesozoic said:
Even better..

Sreesanth is a better bowler than Dale Steyn, Waqar, Allan Donald, Curtly Ambrose etc.

Sreesanth - 2 World Cups
All the others combined - 0 🤡
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Darren Sammy is a better captain than Imran Khan (2 WCs to one)
 
kron said:
Waqar was 137 to 145 in early 90s
Mid 90s and after he was just 130 to 140

Wasim was 138 to 147 in early 90s
Then mid 90s onwards 133 to 142 ish.

Bumrah is faster than both.
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Speed doesn’t matter, Bumrah has a great chance to go down as the second best fast bowler after Wasim from Asia.
Hopefully he keeps up the hard work and doesn’t sustain any injuries.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Joginder sharma is often portrayed as some kind of lucky loser. But he was the one who bowled 20th over against Australia in the semi final. Took out Mike Hussey and one more wicket. THey needed 20 odd runs or so. Similarly He bowled 20th over against Pakistan. Also he contained them with 3 overs 20 runs when he started that over. Because of the way Misbah got out Joginder is portrayed as a poor bowler. He was one of the reason why India won the world cup. The first 3 overs he bowled.
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Just need to check his FC numbers to understand how decent he was. I'd give an eye and an arm to have a Cricket career like him. And left at the right time and now doing very well in the Police. What a champion.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Joginder sharma is often portrayed as some kind of lucky loser. But he was the one who bowled 20th over against Australia in the semi final. Took out Mike Hussey and one more wicket. THey needed 20 odd runs or so. Similarly He bowled 20th over against Pakistan. Also he contained them with 3 overs 20 runs when he started that over. Because of the way Misbah got out Joginder is portrayed as a poor bowler. He was one of the reason why India won the world cup. The first 3 overs he bowled.
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Anyone who plays international sports for their team is already a winner.
The only losers are the ones online calling professional athletes losers.

Out of tens or hundreds of millions of kids playing cricket across the globe very few get selected.

Even players like Azam khan for all his shortcomings and parchi, is still at top 1% of cricket playing population.
 
Let me guess. You think wasim and waqar bowled 140 to 150 in test on average post mid 90s.

I believe there is things called tapes. You must have heard of it. Maybe watch those.
 
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big_gamer007 said:
Anyone who plays international sports for their team is already a winner.
The only losers are the ones online calling professional athletes losers.

Out of tens or hundreds of millions of kids playing cricket across the globe very few get selected.

Even players like Azam khan for all his shortcomings and parchi, is still at top 1% of cricket playing population.
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No there are some serial losers. Kl Rahul being one. Yea sure better than average person but in the higher level, he is a mental midget that will always be a serial loser

Lesser talented players allegedly probably have much better mental strength and win more accolades.
 
kron said:
No there are some serial losers. Kl Rahul being one. Yea sure better than average person but in the higher level, he is a mental midget that will always be a serial loser

Lesser talented players allegedly probably have much better mental strength and win more accolades.
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Nah all have achieved what they set out to achieve as kids.
Play for their national side.

They might not be the best, they might have short comings, they might even not deserve to play for national side over some other more deserving candidates.
But they all still belong to top 1% of population.
 
He is here to break the records of all past legends

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PakFan2010 said:
Bumrah benefits from having a controversial action.

As far as I am aware, he has never been tested in an ICC lab.
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AFAIK unless umpires report no bowler is tested. Bumrah has never been called or reported.

Secondly what is the controversy about his action!
 
cricketjoshila said:
AFAIK unless umpires report no bowler is tested. Bumrah has never been called or reported.

Secondly what is the controversy about his action!
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The controversy is that some Pakistani fans don't approve of his action because of the case of sour grapes.
 
Yet again , delivers in a match where every other pacer was smashed and returns 2-9 in 3 overs.

Legend.
 
Sir Alex said:
Yet again , delivers in a match where every other pacer was smashed and returns 2-9 in 3 overs.

Legend.
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He has done it so many times in all fromats that it's funny to see critics talking about India not winning WC rather criticising his performance. Absolutely a top tier bowler in all formats.
 
Bumrah is the GOAT period no blower in any era come close to him maybe wasim Akram and McGrath but don’t think even they can’t come with figures like bumrah in this modern day batting era
 
How many more years will bumrah play? Another 50 over world cup? How much longer with that action? I highly doubt india will be able to replace him
 
cricketjoshila said:
AFAIK unless umpires report no bowler is tested. Bumrah has never been called or reported.

Secondly what is the controversy about his action!
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During the 2015–16 Vijay Hazare Trophy, after the first two matches, the umpires called him for throwing and raised objections about his bowling action. The issue was resolved when the team management protested against it. Gujarat won the trophy, with Bumrah taking a five-wicket haul in the final against Delhi.
 
kron said:
Waqar was 137 to 145 in early 90s
Mid 90s and after he was just 130 to 140

Wasim was 138 to 147 in early 90s
Then mid 90s onwards 133 to 142 ish.

Bumrah is faster than both.
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you probably never watched Waqar or Wasim in their prime.

Waqar was 155+ 1990-91, 150+ 1992-94, even in 2001 was cranking it up to 146-147 when he wanted to.

Wasim was 150+ up to 1996 when he wanted and needed to. Just because he didn’t need to, doesn’t mean he didn’t full stop.
 
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TheSultan said:
- you probably never watched Waqar or Wasim in their prime.

Waqar was 155+ 1990-91, 150+ 1992-94, even in 2001 was cranking it up to 146-147 when he wanted to.

Wasim was 150+ up to 1996 when he wanted and needed to. Just because he didn’t need to, doesn’t mean he didn’t full stop.
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Waqar never really turned it up against the better teams of his time and bottled during crucial world cup matches too. He's not really fit to be considered in this discussion

Wasim however was a bona fide genius. But please don't demean him by reducing him to a speed gun merchant. He never was one because he never needed extreme pace to work his magic. Lol, and no way he was bowling 150 kph back in 1996.
 
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Wasim stat averages may not look as impressive than Mcgrath or Ambrose in tests and ODI's.
It would have looked better than theirs if his team mates had caught catches from his bowling and there was DRS.
 
Sir Alex said:
Waqar never really turned it up against the better teams of his time and bottled during crucial world cup matches too. He's not really fit to be considered in this discussion

Wasim however was a bona fide genius. But please don't demean him by reducing him to a speed gun merchant. He never was one because he never needed extreme pace to work his magic. Lol, and no way he was bowling 150 kph back in 1996.
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I’ve addressed the Waqar stuff many times. Search my posts and respond

And wasim clocked 94mph in 1996 vs England. He bowled a spell at the Oval in 1996 with Waqar that Alec Stewart described was the quickest thing he ever faced.

All you guys do is look up random stats without context. I watched both of them live in many games as I also watched Akhtar and Lee live.

Waqar was on a par with both Akhtar and Lee in 1991. Yes he lost pace in 1992 after his first back injury, but not by much.

Wasim sometimes was quicker than anything. But whereas the likes of Waqar, Akhtar and Lee steamed in every ball, Wasim chose his moments.

Waqar also after 96 himself said his body can’t take turning up the pace every ball and every spell and he was going to go hard sparingly after that.
 
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PakFan2010 said:
During the 2015–16 Vijay Hazare Trophy, after the first two matches, the umpires called him for throwing and raised objections about his bowling action. The issue was resolved when the team management protested against it. Gujarat won the trophy, with Bumrah taking a five-wicket haul in the final against Delhi.
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he clearly throws the ball with slant angle more than allowed ... hope any umpire stops him bowling ..he doesnt deserve these wickets
 
He is the best fast bowler and arguably bowler India ever had. Any condition, any kind of pitch and he can produce results.
The childhood pain of watching India producing and promoting crappy "fast" bowlers has now vanished.
Once he retires, I will be back on forum to vent my anguish because our pipeline looks bleak.
 
TheSultan said:
I’ve addressed the Waqar stuff many times. Search my posts and respond.

And wasim clocked 94mph in 1996 vs England. He bowled a spell at the Oval in 1996 with Waqar that Alec Stewart described was the quickest thing he ever faced.

All you guys do is look up random stats without context. I watched both of them live in many games as I also watched Akhtar and Lee live.

Waqar was on a par with both Akhtar and Lee in 1991. Yes he lost pace in 1992 after his first back injury, but not by much.

Wasim sometimes was quicker than anything. But whereas the likes of Waqar, Akhtar and Lee steamed in every ball, Wasim chose his moments.

Waqar also after 96 himself said his body can’t take turning up the pace every ball and every spell and he was going to go hard sparingly after that.
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Waqar was a trundler for a big part of his career, I am an old guy, I actually watched cricket then.
 
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TheSultan said:
I’ve addressed the Waqar stuff many times. Search my posts and respond

And wasim clocked 94mph in 1996 vs England. He bowled a spell at the Oval in 1996 with Waqar that Alec Stewart described was the quickest thing he ever faced.

All you guys do is look up random stats without context. I watched both of them live in many games as I also watched Akhtar and Lee live.

Waqar was on a par with both Akhtar and Lee in 1991. Yes he lost pace in 1992 after his first back injury, but not by much.

Wasim sometimes was quicker than anything. But whereas the likes of Waqar, Akhtar and Lee steamed in every ball, Wasim chose his moments.

Waqar also after 96 himself said his body can’t take turning up the pace every ball and every spell and he was going to go hard sparingly after that.
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There is something called tapes. If you watch them you will realise he never was 150 plus. He was no way close to nante Hayward pace. 135 to 145 Max at peak on average.
 
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kron said:
There is something called tapes. If you watch them you will realise he never was 150 plus. He was no way close to nante Hayward pace. 135 to 145 Max at peak on average.

Post 95 he was mostly trundling bro
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They fail to realise that's it's not 1940s we are talking about, there's evidence for speeds at each phase of their careers.

And the thread has seen enough Waqar derail, let's not feed it anymore.
 
TheSultan said:
Nonsense propaganda again. I’ve addressed the Waqar stuff many times. Search my posts and respond, I don’t have time to educate kids over and over again.

And wasim clocked 94mph in 1996 vs England. He bowled a spell at the Oval in 1996 with Waqar that Alec Stewart described was the quickest thing he ever faced.

All you guys do is look up random stats without context. I watched both of them live in many games as I also watched Akhtar and Lee live.

Waqar was on a par with both Akhtar and Lee in 1991. Yes he lost pace in 1992 after his first back injury, but not by much.

Wasim sometimes was quicker than anything. But whereas the likes of Waqar, Akhtar and Lee steamed in every ball, Wasim chose his moments.

Waqar also after 96 himself said his body can’t take turning up the pace every ball and every spell and he was going to go hard sparingly after that.
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Waqar wasn’t near Akhtar, Lee, Tait.

He was more on the lines of peak steyn.

People often rewrite history as per their own likes/dislikes, especially in case where we don’t have factual data.
 
Hikaru said:
Waqar was a trundler for a big part of his career, I am an old guy, I actually watched cricket then. Stop lying to the world and yourself.
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For first few years of his career he was genuinely quick.

Obviously not Akhtar, Lee, Tait level but certainly Steyn type.

However, his pace was short lived, once his back injuries started he became medium pace. Without height and natural swing and bottle caps he was a liability later part of his career.

But he is still an ATG and legend of the game.
 
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