[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Jasprit Bumrah is the best fast-bowler in the world right now

[Devadwal]

Man..all these wannabe Australians making me feel honestly sad for them.

Still remember the time when Pak fans used to proudly wave their actual flag irrespective of their team's standing in world cricket. These days all we have are pretentious cringelords who have to hide like neutered cowards behind some other country's flag to find their squeaky voices against Indian fans.

Even real australian fan's will laugh after seeing these post.

Every thread is derailed even there is no talk about Australia or their players but suddenly .....

 

[mominsaigol]

Even real australian fan's will laugh after seeing these post.

Every thread is derailed even there is no talk about Australia or their players but suddenly .....

No more of this aussie/ pak fan nonsense from you when I stick to cricket topics and don't get into regional racism.

You and that mez guy wish to get into this specifics?

How about the fact that you're an Indian poster living like an immigrant on a pakistani forumn? Did you think about that?

I'll say whatever I want and support whoever I want and if you have an issue then you can address the topic at hand.

In the same way I don't stoop low and bring up immigrant jokes and get personal, don't get personal with me when talking about who's a wannabie and who isn't.

Stick to cricket, and I'll bring up Australia if I want to. Besides what even if your issue? Or any Indian fans issue?

A few weeks ago everyone was complaining about how I never talk about Australia despite being on a cricket forumn now it's please God leave us alone?

 

[Mockingbird]

For india to be the lord and master of Australia they must get rid of their fact that Australia has turned them into a bloody joke more times then I can count.

2003 was such a massive avalanche that Indians had to come up with calculus level excuses for Sachin and the rest of the team. All talks about God of cricket this and that but then making excuses because apparently mchrath is too much for the God.

No disrespect to Sachin, he's the greatest pdi player of all time and top 5 greatest test, but it's hilarious how indian fans put him to folklore levels of power only to find excuses to justify his human errors.

Same with 2015, Indian tried to show their aukaat to Australia and were sent back home like the immigrants they were but when Australia walked into their den they bowed as usual.

2011 was a qf, but the fact that Indians find joy in gloating over beating the weakest aussie team to have played a world cup as a solace in mind blowing laughable not to mention it wasn't a final to begin with.

The situation is so bad that Indians have to desperately cling on to bilaterals or tests or other things to justify their freqent beatings because Australia know how to hurt India so much so that half the final crowd went Gome in flocks 2 hrs before the game ended.

Dude, I really doubt you understand cricket if you underplay overseas Test wins in a marquee series, not once but twice. Stick to T20 & leave the tests to the big boys to sort it out.

 

[mominsaigol]

Dude, I really doubt you understand cricket if you underplay overseas Test wins in a marquee series, not once but twice. Stick to T20 & leave the tests to the big boys to sort it out.

Okay sure. I'll leave it to big boys for wtc. Oh wait I already did.

I've made it clear to everyone. India is my 3rd favourite cricket team after NZ and Australia and I love Indian cricketers.

But Indian hype won't ever come at the coat of Australia. I'm willing to support India over pakistan because pakistan is a fraud team led by that beaded cramped pouf while India is a professional unit.

But I'm going to bring Indian fans down to reality when they hype themselves up but leave 2hrs before a game concludes.

For every achievement India has ever achieved it will always be 2nd to Australia and for every all time great bowler, batter, fielder, captain or keeper India has ever produced, Australia has always produced one better.

India will always be 2md and you Indians should be proud. It is an honor to be 2nd considering you guys weren't even around whem cricket started while commonwealth countries were. But the true father's remain.

 

[Mesozoic]

Even real australian fan's will laugh after seeing these post.

Every thread is derailed even there is no talk about Australia or their players but suddenly .....

Funny thing is...most Indian fans have enormous amount of respect for Australia and the kind of cricket they play. No one of us have ever denied the fact that they're the greatest ever cricketing nation as things stand.

But the usual cringelords come here after creating their own lame strawman arguments and proceed to defecate everywhere on every thread even when the topic at hand has nothing to do with Australia lol. Way too much free time and way too much of the teenage girls' "look at me..give me attention..I'm hurt" mentality is to blame i guess.

 

[mominsaigol]

Funny thing is...most Indian fans have enormous amount of respect for Australia and the kind of cricket they play. No one of us have ever denied the fact that they're the greatest ever cricketing nation as things stand.

But the usual cringelords come here after creating their own lame strawman arguments and defecate everywhere on every thread even when the topic at hand has nothing to do with Australia lol. Way too much free time and way too much of the teenage girls' "look at me..give me attention..I'm hurt" mentality is to blame i guess.

I'm sorry, but what issue does an Indian on a pakistani forumn have or what right do they have to complain about pakistani views on any team be it their own or others? I'd look at my hypocritical self in the mirror if I were you.

 

[Mesozoic]

I'm sorry, but what issue does an Indian on a pakistani forumn have or what right do they have to complain about pakistani views on any team be it their own or others? I'd look at my hypocritical self in the mirror if I were you.

Oh no how sad boohoo!

Go cry to the mods and the admins of this site if you have this much of an issue with Indian posters putting you in your place from time to time. Maybe they'll gift a nice girly treehouse for you to play in and mumble your usual verbal diarrhoea.

 

[mominsaigol]

Oh no how sad boohoo!

Go cry to the mods and the admins of this site if you have this much of an issue with Indian posters putting you in your place from time to time. Maybe they'll gift a nice girly treehouse for you to play in and mumble your usual verbal diarrhoea.

I don't have any issue with Indian posters. Only find it funny when they feel the need to comment on views and bring in regional racism while forgetting where they come from and where they are atm.

Also lol at you putting me in your place. You're welcome to try.

 

[mominsaigol]

Mcgrath >>>>>> Bumrah in every format. Their I said it.

 

[Mesozoic]

I don't have any issue with Indian posters. Only find it funny when they feel the need to comment on views and bring in regional racism while forgetting where they come from and where they are atm.

Also lol at you putting me in your place. You're welcome to try.

Regional racism? Are you okay?

Atleast we have the integrity to stay true to our origins lol. Not like the....well.nevermind. You already seem hurt enough.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah is a great bowler and a fantastic work of art.

One of the finest bowlers I've ever seen. But why on earth do indians feel the need to make Bumrah their father?

Is their anything wrong with Mcgrath?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Mcgrath >>>>>> Bumrah in every format. Their I said it.

You need to check, on this thread, multiple Indian posters considered McGrath as the GOAT.

 

[mominsaigol]

You need to check, on this thread, multiple Indian posters considered McGrath as the GOAT.

This is for those who don't.

 

[kron]

It would be phenomenal, if he could replicate this career average in upcoming BGT

Don't think so. Aussie pitches will be flatter. Impossible to average under 20 there.

 

[Buffet]

Mcgrath >>>>>> Bumrah in every format. Their I said it.

How can it be true?

Bumrah is factually light years ahead of McGrath in T20. McGrath does not have any performance in T20 to be rated to begin with.

 

[Buffet]

Don't think so. Aussie pitches will be flatter. Impossible to average under 20 there.

No use in focusing on avg in one serie or anything like that. Meaningless. If he can take 1 5-fer or bowl 1-2 match changing spells in Aus then that will be fantastic. Way more than most ATG bowlers do when visiting den of strong opposition.

Since, posters are debating McGrath, he did not run through batting line ups in Asia despite having low average. Anyone will take Bumrah performance outside Asia than McGrath performacne in Asia despite avg looking similar. Not saying that Bumrah is better than McGrath right now, but keeping avg in context is important. Pollock lost his ability to run through batting lines up despite keeping his average low in second half. No one rates Pollock first half and second half anywhere close despite avg in second half still being good.

If you can run through batting line ups in opposition's den few times then avg 20 or 25 is not important. You win matches by running through batting line up few times. That's what Steyn did many times despite Aus, Eng and SL putting non-pacer's friendly pitches. He averaged around 28-30 in those 3 places, but ran 4-5 times through batting line up and helped his team to win.

Bumrah has run through batting line ups in Aus, SA, Eng etc. He needs to just do that few more times.

 

[kron]

For india to be the lord and master of Australia they must get rid of their fact that Australia has turned them into a bloody joke more times then I can count.

2003 was such a massive avalanche that Indians had to come up with calculus level excuses for Sachin and the rest of the team. All talks about God of cricket this and that but then making excuses because apparently mchrath is too much for the God.

No disrespect to Sachin, he's the greatest pdi player of all time and top 5 greatest test, but it's hilarious how indian fans put him to folklore levels of power only to find excuses to justify his human errors.

Same with 2015, Indian tried to show their aukaat to Australia and were sent back home like the immigrants they were but when Australia walked into their den they bowed as usual.

2011 was a qf, but the fact that Indians find joy in gloating over beating the weakest aussie team to have played a world cup as a solace in mind blowing laughable not to mention it wasn't a final to begin with.

The situation is so bad that Indians have to desperately cling on to bilaterals or tests or other things to justify their freqent beatings because Australia know how to hurt India so much so that half the final crowd went Gome in flocks 2 hrs before the game ended.

Well aus is the goat odi team

But no one cares for odi now. No money it.

T20 and tests brah.

Aus are crap in t20.

In tests only bilaterals matter.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The thread is about specifically about Bumrah. Please stop discussing the Australia series in this thread.

Stay on topic.

 

[kron]

Will bumrah go down as the greatest pacer from Asia? In tests.

 

[Croma]

I am absolutely fascinated by Bumrah's stats. With a bowling average of 20.18 in Test cricket and an impressive tally of 170 Test wickets, his numbers are nothing short of extraordinary.

I genuinely believe that 20.18 might be his peak bowling average. It's mind-boggling to imagine it going any lower. For context, his average is already among the best in cricketing history.

If we dig deeper, Bumrah currently holds the second-best bowling average of all time for any bowler with more than 120 wickets. The only one ahead of him is Sydney Barnes, who took 189 wickets at an absurd average of 16.43, a record that’s stood since 1914. That stat is simply staggering!

Bumrah's ability to dominate both home and away, with pinpoint yorkers and devastating accuracy, solidifies his status as one of the modern-day greats of the game.

When will he play his next Test, and against whom? I think I’m going to track his bowling average from now on. It will be fascinating to see if he can improve on 20.18… though I’d bet he never will. What do you guys think?

 

[Croma]

For the stats lovers out there, here's something even more fascinating... Since 1914, the bowler with the best average in the history of Test cricket (for those with at least 50 wickets) is none other than... (drumroll)...

Axar Patel, with a ridiculous average of 19.34 from 55 wickets! And right behind him is Kyle Jamieson, with 80 wickets at an average of 19.73.

Now, these are just stats, and they don’t necessarily mean they’re the best of all time or anything… but still, those numbers are mind-blowing!

 

[Buffet]

I am absolutely fascinated by Bumrah's stats. With a bowling average of 20.18 in Test cricket and an impressive tally of 170 Test wickets, his numbers are nothing short of extraordinary.

I genuinely believe that 20.18 might be his peak bowling average. It's mind-boggling to imagine it going any lower. For context, his average is already among the best in cricketing history.

If we dig deeper, Bumrah currently holds the second-best bowling average of all time for any bowler with more than 120 wickets. The only one ahead of him is Sydney Barnes, who took 189 wickets at an absurd average of 16.43, a record that’s stood since 1914. That stat is simply staggering!

Bumrah's ability to dominate both home and away, with pinpoint yorkers and devastating accuracy, solidifies his status as one of the modern-day greats of the game.

When will he play his next Test, and against whom? I think I’m going to track his bowling average from now on. It will be fascinating to see if he can improve on 20.18… though I’d bet he never will. What do you guys think?

I doubt he will go lower unless he plays next 5-6 matches against BD/SL/ZM/WI etc. I don't think India is scheduled to play them in near future.

 

[RyanRyan10]

I doubt he will go lower unless he plays next 5-6 matches against BD/SL/ZM/WI etc. I don't think India is scheduled to play them in near future.

If he maintains the home average of 15.47 with 10-15 wickets in the series vs NZL then he can. Won't be easy though.

By the way, do you have stats for peak average of Pacers after picking up 150+ test wickets?

 

[Buffet]

If he maintains the home average of 15.47 with 10-15 wickets in the series vs NZL then he can. Won't be easy though.

By the way, do you have stats for peak average of Pacers after picking up 150+ test wickets?

No, I don't. It needs to be checked manually and you can do for some bowlers for peak average after 150 plus wickets.

Pollock - 19.86
Bumrah - 20.18
Marshall - 20.29

All higher ones,

Ambrose - 20.xx
Hadlee - 21.xx
Mcgrath - 21.xx
Donald - 21.xx
Waqar - 21.xx
Wasim - 22.xx


It's a time taking process, but I stopped after looking at usual suspects in the last 40-50 years.

 

[Buffet]

Adding Steyn - 22.xx

 

[RyanRyan10]

No, I don't. It needs to be checked manually and you can do for some bowlers for peak average after 150 plus wickets.

Pollock - 19.86
Bumrah - 20.18
Marshall - 20.29

All higher ones,

Ambrose - 20.xx
Hadlee - 21.xx
Mcgrath - 21.xx
Donald - 21.xx
Waqar - 21.xx
Wasim - 22.xx


It's a time taking process, but I stopped after looking at usual suspects in the last 40-50 years.

Waqar averaged 18.35 when he had 184 wickets

 

[Buffet]

Waqar averaged 18.35 when he had 184 wickets

Oh, my bad. I must have looked at some one else aggregate avg because Waqar was in 18.xx for many tests and I couldn't have missed. It's easy to miss if it's for one test.

 

[kron]

I am absolutely fascinated by Bumrah's stats. With a bowling average of 20.18 in Test cricket and an impressive tally of 170 Test wickets, his numbers are nothing short of extraordinary.

I genuinely believe that 20.18 might be his peak bowling average. It's mind-boggling to imagine it going any lower. For context, his average is already among the best in cricketing history.

If we dig deeper, Bumrah currently holds the second-best bowling average of all time for any bowler with more than 120 wickets. The only one ahead of him is Sydney Barnes, who took 189 wickets at an absurd average of 16.43, a record that’s stood since 1914. That stat is simply staggering!

Bumrah's ability to dominate both home and away, with pinpoint yorkers and devastating accuracy, solidifies his status as one of the modern-day greats of the game.

When will he play his next Test, and against whom? I think I’m going to track his bowling average from now on. It will be fascinating to see if he can improve on 20.18… though I’d bet he never will. What do you guys think?

Not just Yorkers
He has slow ball variation for Yorkers and slow bouncer
Fast bouncer
Ability to seam the ball both ways
In swing etc.
And he can adjust his length at will

Only thing he needs is an out swinger in swinging conditions. New ball skills need to slightly improve.

Complete bowler.

 

[kron]

If he maintains the home average of 15.47 with 10-15 wickets in the series vs NZL then he can. Won't be easy though.

By the way, do you have stats for peak average of Pacers after picking up 150+ test wickets?

Nz is the one team he has performed not so well against. But that was when he carried and injury/niggle. Bumrah always finds ways to bounce back. Initially he did bad vs Pakistan too and had an average of 39 vs them in odi and 30 in t20. Then we all saw how the last few games turned out to be where he averaged 15 or sub 15 vs them.

He destroyed them. I hope he blows kiwis out of the park.

 

[Unleashed]

Australia owns India and pakistan? What's the shame in admitting that?

Brother, I know you're deluded but please don't put India and Pakistan in the same bracket when it comes to Australia.

One hasn't even drawn a test there in twenty years, the other has won two consecutive test series there. Please sit down and use your brain(probably hard for you)

 

[mominsaigol]

Brother, I know you're deluded but please don't put India and Pakistan in the same bracket when it comes to Australia.

One hasn't even drawn a test there in twenty years, the other has won two consecutive test series there. Please sit down and use your brain(probably hard for you)

Why shouldn't I put them in the same bracket when said brackets includes the most humilating defeat in a final by 180 runs that will never ever be broken in any icc event and another features a 10 wicket thrashing despite claiming that they are the world's best bowling attack?

Have you ever seen Australia lose to pakistan by 180 runs in a final? Or in any icc event? Or have you seen them get thrashed by 10 wickets in cup by pakistan?

Even though pakistan is a minnow while India is top 3?

 

[Unleashed]

Why shouldn't I put them in the same bracket when said brackets includes the most humilating defeat in a final by 180 runs that will never ever be broken in any icc event and another features a 10 wicket thrashing despite claiming that they are the world's best bowling attack?

Have you ever seen Australia lose to pakistan by 180 runs in a final? Or in any icc event? Or have you seen them get thrashed by 10 wickets in cup by pakistan?

Even though pakistan is a minnow while India is top 3?

I've already put out the reasons but it's hard for you to understand that.

 

[mominsaigol]

I've already put out the reasons but it's hard for you to understand that.

Yes give the reasons for justifying how Australia lost by 180 runs to pakistan and by 10 wickets to pakistan in cups?

Oh wait never happened. Wanna know which team it happened to?

 

[Romali_rotti]

If Bumrah can finish his test career with 270 wickets at under 20 avg would go down as top 3 greatest of all time.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is not about India-Pakistan comparison. Talk about Bumrah or find some other thread for you irrelevant posts.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

 

[jnaveen1980]

Mcgrath or BUmrah

Bumble goes with Bumrah.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Jarrod Kimber goes "Bumrah is oen of the greatest old ball bowler in history cricket other than Garner"

 

[Romali_rotti]

Wouldve loved to see Bumrah bowling on the much bowler friendlier wickets of the mid 90s to mid 2000s.

Bumrah with SRT for that 99 tour of Aus would have been a great battle. Aussies still win the series but Indians give them a scare....

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah has been a top bowler no matter what the format is or where he is playing. He is one of the top few bowlers who can bowl anywhere and can be equally effective.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bumrah has been a top bowler no matter what the format is or where he is playing. He is one of the top few bowlers who can bowl anywhere and can be equally effective.

More than his ability it is his intelligence that has made him what he is. He has unique way working out a batsman. Always bowl the least expected delivery to a batsman. Root repeatedly got sucker punched by Bumrah. 9 dismissals in Tests, 3 dismissals in ODIs, 1 dismissal in T20.

 

[sweep_shot]

Mcgrath or BUmrah

Bumble goes with Bumrah.

McGrath was way better.

When McGrath was playing, batters were far more capable. McGrath faced batters like Lara, Sanga, Mahela, Gayle, Tendulkar, Saeed Anwar, Kallis etc.

Bumrah primarily faces inferior batters (many are T20 hacks).

 

[kron]

McGrath was way better.

When McGrath was playing, batters were far more capable. McGrath faced batters like Lara, Sanga, Mahela, Gayle, Tendulkar, Saeed Anwar, Kallis etc.

Bumrah primarily faces inferior batters (many are T20 hacks).

No that's not true. You are just looking at it from a nostalgic point of view.
Players are way more aggressive and better at shot making now. Back then so many draws used to happen.

Also drs has changed the way batsmen play.

If bumrah bowled in 90s with tampered balls, no no ball umpires, no advanced tech to work out bowlers etc then he would average 15.

In saying that yes mcgrath is better than bumrah. Bumrah has atleats 4 years left to show that he can win a test series in England, SA or atleast draw again and dominate in the rankings.

Anwar would get bowled out twice in the same innings by bumrah

Same for overrated sanga panga and mahela who was a flop in India.

 

[Mockingbird]

McGrath was way better.

When McGrath was playing, batters were far more capable. McGrath faced batters like Lara, Sanga, Mahela, Gayle, Tendulkar, Saeed Anwar, Kallis etc.

Bumrah primarily faces inferior batters (many are T20 hacks).

I would flip it around and say that McGrath played in a bowling friendly era, while Bumrah actually plays in an era which does not favor the bowlers at all.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Talks of GOAT or comparison with McGrath is way too early.

We can do this if Bumrah has same stats after 300 test wickets.

 

[HARKS]

McGrath was way better.

When McGrath was playing, batters were far more capable. McGrath faced batters like Lara, Sanga, Mahela, Gayle, Tendulkar, Saeed Anwar, Kallis etc.

Bumrah primarily faces inferior batters (many are T20 hacks).

Then how come Root able to surpass Sachin ?
Sachin faced great bowlers according to u and root faced inferior bowlers again according to ur theory. Few people here are struck in circles when about Bumrah then batsmen are inferior and when about Root vs Tendulkar then bowlers are superior. How both can be same.
Plus Root only have to play tests and rest at home where as Sachin has played both formats and hold many records in that. Just by scoring more runs in tests ( that too haven't happen) can claim better than Sachin.

 

[HARKS]

Buffet have proved with data where Root stand with compare to other batters but few people don't even bother to answer and refute it .keep on going about Root is best or better than Tendulkar. I know it's quite difficult to support ur team when performing comically so all take out ur anger on this comparison by putting down Sachin.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not all Indians are cheaters.

Rohit, Kohli, Sachin and many others I respect. I am referring to people like harbajan, the indian pitch curators, modi, indian umpires etc etc.

While aussie players never cheat nor do their curators cheat nor do their official and umpires cheat.

Lol at mentioning Sachin name

He was a big tamperer. When he eventually got caught 1 billion Indians complained and bullied the ICC to rescind the verdict.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Lol at mentioning Sachin name

He was a big tamperer. When he eventually got caught 1 billion Indians complained and bullied the ICC to rescind the verdict.

the biggest tamperers were Pakistanis. No wonder they started losing games at home left, right and center once more cameras started getting used from the mid 90s. Remove the tampering era of 80s to mid 90s and then their chuckers being disallowed and Pakistan have always been a mediocre sid or a minnow side.

 

[mominsaigol]

Lol at mentioning Sachin name

He was a big tamperer. When he eventually got caught 1 billion Indians complained and bullied the ICC to rescind the verdict.

Bro, thank you so much for this. I knew the indian media covered it up, smh. This just confirms it.

Genuinely you have my many thanks. Fraudulent Indian fan hype machines.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

the biggest tamperers were Pakistanis. No wonder they started losing games at home left, right and center once more cameras started getting used from the mid 90s. Remove the tampering era of 80s to mid 90s and then their chuckers being disallowed and Pakistan have always been a mediocre sid or a minnow side.

That's just a theory put forward by bitter Indians that Pakistan would have been XYZ in the modern era.

However facts are Sachin got caught on camera and the whole of India collectively cried until the ICC had to act.

"The punishments, particularly the Tendulkar suspension, caused widespread furore in India. Effigies of Denness were burnt on streets, the incident was discussed in the Indian parliament, and some even went on to brand the referee a ‘racist’."

Cheating Tendulkars legacy has even influenced players like Dravid who also got done for tampering V Zimbabwe.

 

[Mesozoic]

That's just a theory put forward by bitter Indians that Pakistan would have been XYZ in the modern era.

Ahh yes just a theory. Your "greatest cricketer" himself admitting to using bottle caps to scuff up the ball in his autobiography is also a theory?

Right. Nothing to see here folks.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ahh yes just a theory. Your "greatest cricketer" himself admitting to using bottle caps to scuff up the ball in his autobiography is also a theory?

Right. Nothing to see here folks.

Nope that isn't what I was saying.

 

[RyanRyan10]

That's just a theory put forward by bitter Indians that Pakistan would have been XYZ in the modern era.

However facts are Sachin got caught on camera and the whole of India collectively cried until the ICC had to act.

"The punishments, particularly the Tendulkar suspension, caused widespread furore in India. Effigies of Denness were burnt on streets, the incident was discussed in the Indian parliament, and some even went on to brand the referee a ‘racist’."

Cheating Tendulkars legacy has even influenced players like Dravid who also got done for tampering V Zimbabwe.

Buffet Had posted the stats which suggest that Pakistan's W/L ratio at home dropped from 5 in that era to 1 post 1995.

as @Mesozoic has mentioned, your greatest cricketer has accepted it in autobiography. Shahid Afridi was caught biting the ball like an apple This isn't an Indian theory. Your own players have accepted it and drastic decline in W/L ratio proves how dependent Pakistan were on ball tampering.

Similar is the case with chucking. Pakistan's W/L ratio is again in negative after banning of ths two chuckers. And you ain't able to produce a spinner even of Bangladesh level.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Buffet Had posted the stats which suggest that Pakistan's W/L ratio at home dropped from 5 in that era to 1 post 1995.

as @Mesozoic has mentioned, your greatest cricketer has accepted it in autobiography. Shahid Afridi was caught biting the ball like an apple This isn't an Indian theory. Your own players have accepted it and drastic decline in W/L ratio proves how dependent Pakistan were on ball tampering.

Similar is the case with chucking. Pakistan's W/L ratio is again in negative after banning of ths two chuckers. And you ain't able to produce a spinner even of Bangladesh level.

Imran mentioned it about a county game

Doesn't change the fact that Sachin cheated in an international and you guys burned effigies of the umpire

And none of the stuff you said proves anything anyway. Why have West Indies declined? Why have Sri Lanka? Why were New Zealand whipping boys then but not now? Can you find a link to alleged ball tampering to show the ups and downs of all sides?

Teams go through cycles and that's the only conclusion one can draw

 

[Bhaijaan]

Mcgrath or BUmrah

Bumble goes with Bumrah.

It must be hardest for Bharatiyas to digest it after years of being a batting nation that Jasprit Singh Bumrah is indeed one of the greatest ever fast bowlers and is right up there with McGrath, Donald, Steyn, Ambrose, Lillee.

What a feeling.
What a generational talent!!

 

[aboveandbeyond]

McGrath was way better.

When McGrath was playing, batters were far more capable. McGrath faced batters like Lara, Sanga, Mahela, Gayle, Tendulkar, Saeed Anwar, Kallis etc.

Bumrah primarily faces inferior batters (many are T20 hacks).

Spot in. Test cricket, bar the so called big three has declined to a shocking standard due to less off cricket boards prioritising white ball franchise cricket.

For this reason, feasting on poor batsman and bowling attacks does not enhance ones reputation.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Then how come Root able to surpass Sachin ?
Sachin faced great bowlers according to u and root faced inferior bowlers again according to ur theory. Few people here are struck in circles when about Bumrah then batsmen are inferior and when about Root vs Tendulkar then bowlers are superior. How both can be same.
Plus Root only have to play tests and rest at home where as Sachin has played both formats and hold many records in that. Just by scoring more runs in tests ( that too haven't happen) can claim better than Sachin.

I agree. No way Root is in the same league as Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting. Who all faced high quality test attacks and some of the GOAT spin and fast bowlers

 

[RyanRyan10]

Imran mentioned it about a county game

Doesn't change the fact that Sachin cheated in an international and you guys burned effigies of the umpire

And none of the stuff you said proves anything anyway. Why have West Indies declined? Why have Sri Lanka? Why were New Zealand whipping boys then but not now? Can you find a link to alleged ball tampering to show the ups and downs of all sides?

Teams go through cycles and that's the only conclusion one can draw ( unless you are a bitter Indian).

West Indies and Sri Lanka's decline started after the retirement of their top players. However, in Pakistan's case, the decline began with the same players. Whenever ICC got strict with the rules, Pakistan cricket suffered.

Ans Pakistan is in persistent decline. The fact that you personally have given up on your Test team speaks volumes. You may say anything for coping mechanism but deep down, you know the truth. This is the final decade of Pakistan's relevance in cricket. Enjoy it while it lasts!

 

[aboveandbeyond]

It must be hardest for Bharatiyas to digest it after years of being a batting nation that Jasprit Singh Bumrah is indeed one of the greatest ever fast bowlers and is right up there with McGrath, Donald, Steyn, Ambrose, Lillee.

What a feeling.
What a generational talent!!

The same Bumble who came out with the " we Murdered them" statement when England under his tenure got outplayed by Zimbabwe in a test match

 

[Hellion]

Imran mentioned it about a county game

Doesn't change the fact that Sachin cheated in an international and you guys burned effigies of the umpire

And none of the stuff you said proves anything anyway. Why have West Indies declined? Why have Sri Lanka? Why were New Zealand whipping boys then but not now? Can you find a link to alleged ball tampering to show the ups and downs of all sides?

Teams go through cycles and that's the only conclusion one can draw

This cycle of cricket is about playing the game clean and that's why Pakistan can't keep up

 

[kron]

Let's be honest. Whe. It comes to cheating pakistan and Aussies should zip their lips.

Biggest cheaters would be Oz. They are very crafty when it comes to cheating and deceitfulness.

Biggest scums easily. Poms too. Ah let's not forget about the ball tamperers.

I won't even get to pakistan lol. We all know their plight. They just don't have a storm enough pr to back them, that's why they get bullied by the western media.

Indian players mostly are honest and hard working. No short cuts. That is reality.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

This cycle of cricket is about playing the game clean and that's why Pakistan can't keep up

So why is a chucker like bumrah still relevant.

 

[Hellion]

So why is a chucker like bumrah still relevant.

You don't understand bowling if you think Bumrah chucks.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Bumrah is one of the best pacers i have seen in my life, but comparing him with Glenn McGrath is foolishness. McGrath has almost 3 times more wickets than Bumrah.
Yes, I agree, Bumrah is one verge to be an all time great, but we shouldn't compare him with GOAT pacers, atleast as for now.

 

[just a fan]

So why is a chucker like bumrah still relevant.

To fix the bottle caps!

 

[Devadwal]

He is best bowler ever to Play cricket . period

 

[sweep_shot]

Bumrah is one of the best pacers i have seen in my life, but comparing him with Glenn McGrath is foolishness. McGrath has almost 3 times more wickets than Bumrah.
Yes, I agree, Bumrah is one verge to be an all time great, but we shouldn't compare him with GOAT pacers, atleast as for now.

Those who rate Bumrah higher than McGrath are probably Gen Z Indian kids.

McGrath is the most successful bowler in World Cup's history (most wickets). On top of that, he has 563 Test wickets and 381 ODI wickets.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah has surpassed Kapil and Akhtar in Tests.

He is behind Imran, Wasim, Waqar in Tests if he retires today.

 

[HARKS]

Those who rate Bumrah higher than McGrath are probably Gen Z Indian kids.

McGrath is the most successful bowler in World Cup's history (most wickets). On top of that, he has 563 Test wickets and 381 ODI wickets.

Yes, same as some Gen Z kids who compare Root to Tendulkar right

 

[kron]

Bumrah has surpassed Kapil and Akhtar in Tests.

He is behind Imran, Wasim, Waqar in Tests if he retires today.

He has left waqar for dead already. Only wasim remains. He is a better bowker than imran khan

Impact and match winning ability matters more than longevity otherwise Anderson aka clouderson would be goat

 

[kron]

It's nz.
2019 wc final although he did well but he dint get early wickets. He is not a good swing bowler with a new ball. He is dangerous with a semi old and older ball. He can't control the swing effectively vs nz in swing friendly conditions.

Also in wtc final he went wicketless. Granted he came back from injury though.

He also failed in nz in swing friendly conditions.

Seems like hit the deck bowler although a complete bowler has a weakness with the new ball in swing friendly conditions.

Even recently vs england he couldn't take early wickets with the new ball.

He came back strong with the semi old and older ball.

Something to work on for the champ.

Is his kyrptonite nz though?

He hasn't done well in tests and even odi vs nz. Only did well in t20s vs them.

Last odi semi final, it was shami who ran through nz. Bumrah controlled via restricting runs but still went at 7 an over albeit in a high scoring game.


We will see today if he bounces back vs nz otherwise we can safely say his weakness is nz.

Many other players seem to run through kiwi players. Conditions have been decently swing friendly even for India albeit not as swing friendly as it was when kiwis bowled.

 

[Slim]

Other teams need to study on how kiwis deal with Bumrah. He seems completely ineffective against them.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yup, not very lethal in swing friendly conditions.

NZ two test series, WTC Final and the current test match are the instances proving it.

Aside of that, he seems a terrific bowler with no weakness.

 

[Dhakar Pola]

This only shows he is human

 

[Ab Fan]

So @kron , do you think India need to produce a genuine swing bowler in mould of Bhuvi for conditions like New Zealand and England or whenever it is overcast due to persistent rain? That bowler can compliment very well with Bumrah and Siraj.

Australia uses Boland occasionally in conditions where it is swinging miles and the slip cordon comes into play. Does India need that one pacer too, maybe Mukesh Kumar is the closest one?

 

[kron]

Other teams need to study on how kiwis deal with Bumrah. He seems completely ineffective against them.

absolutely useless vs nz. home and away. its baffling.

 

[Slim]

absolutely useless vs nz. home and away. its baffling.

Idk how Ashwin is against kiwis but from what i have seen of kiwis, they always treat him like a club bowler.

 

[Ab Fan]

Idk how Ashwin is against kiwis but from what i have seen of kiwis, they always treat him like a club bowler.

It’s the other way round. Ashwin treats them as club bowler. Just phenomenal record vs Naz averaging in teens.

 

[anikrc1]

Now before I start this thread let my say that I believe Bumrah is the bowler going around now, and by far the best in flat conditions. But I think there is a problem with Bumrah's bowling in friendly conditions which is seen in this test and was also seen in the dharmasala test aginst england. He has the Srinath syndrome where he produves many ooh-aah inducinh deliveries which beats the bat by a mile but doesn't get close the producing an edge. Do you think he bowls a bit shorter in friendly conditions?