[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Jasprit Bumrah is the best fast-bowler in the world right now

[kron]

crazy strike rate of waqar younis. Averages are almost same.

And then the dreaded back injury. Maybe if waqar was born in this era and had access to modern medicine and support, he may have healed better and returned to full strength post back injury. Perhaps he would have been explosive for majority of his career instead of the first 4 5 years alone. He still had a great average but he dint do well in aus , India and was not so great in SA either.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mat	Waq.Wkts	Waq.Avg	Waq.Econ	Waq.SR	Waq.5W	Bum.Wkts	Bum..Avg	Bum..Econ	Bum.SR	Bum.5W
1​	4​	22.75​	4.33​	31.5​	0​	4​	28​	3.69​	45.5​	0​
2​	6​	39.5​	4.​	58​	0​	7​	34.57​	3.34​	62​	0​
3​	6​	55.33​	3.6​	92​	0​	14​	25.21​	3.14​	48​	1​
4​	9​	48.88​	3.33​	88​	0​	21​	22.61​	3.09​	43.8​	2​
5​	10​	46.1​	3.26​	84.6​	0​	25​	22.88​	2.97​	46.2​	2​
6​	17​	31.76​	3.02​	63​	0​	28​	25.57​	2.91​	52.6​	2​
7​	27​	23.92​	2.79​	51.4​	1​	34​	24.44​	2.83​	51.7​	2​
8​	39​	19.89​	2.71​	43.9​	3​	39​	23.66​	2.67​	53​	2​
9​	48​	18.66​	2.75​	40.5​	4​	48​	21.02​	2.65​	47.4​	3​
10​	53​	18.54​	2.81​	39.5​	5​	49​	21.89​	2.66​	49.3​	3​
11​	55​	19.49​	2.86​	40.8​	5​	55​	20.63​	2.64​	46.7​	4​
12​	62​	19.33​	2.85​	40.6​	6​	62​	19.24​	2.64​	43.7​	5​
13​	62​	19.33​	2.85​	40.6​	6​	63​	20.34​	2.67​	45.5​	5​
14​	71​	19.02​	2.94​	38.7​	7​	68​	20.33​	2.69​	45.3​	5​
15​	72​	20.09​	3​	40.1​	7​	70​	20.88​	2.69​	46.4​	5​
16​	79​	19.97​	3.05​	39.2​	8​	76​	20.68​	2.68​	46.1​	5​
17​	80​	20.92​	3.05​	41.1​	8​	79​	21.59​	2.7​	47.9​	5​
18​	87​	20.9​	3.08​	40.7​	9​	83​	21.87​	2.69​	48.6​	5​
19​	93​	20.51​	3.05​	40.2​	10​	83​	22.1​	2.7​	49​	5​
20​	102​	19.5​	2.98​	39.1​	11​	83​	23.21​	2.69​	51.7​	5​
21​	108​	19.57​	3.02​	38.8​	11​	92​	22.14​	2.69​	49.2​	6​
22​	112​	20.05​	3.09​	38.8​	11​	95​	22.62​	2.69​	50.3​	6​
23​	121​	19.61​	3.1​	37.9​	12​	97​	22.76​	2.68​	50.9​	6​
24​	134​	18.71​	3.05​	36.7​	14​	101​	22.79​	2.65​	51.4​	6​
25​	143​	18.5​	3.07​	36.1​	15​	106​	22.33​	2.65​	50.5​	6​
26​	148​	18.55​	3.06​	36.2​	16​	107​	23.24​	2.67​	52.2​	6​
27​	154​	18.35​	3.07​	35.8​	16​	113​	22.85​	2.65​	51.5​	7​
28​	159​	18.79​	3.08​	36.5​	16​	115​	22.83​	2.65​	51.6​	7​
29​	166​	18.98​	3.1​	36.6​	17​	123​	21.73​	2.65​	49.2​	8​
30​	169​	19.3​	3.14​	36.7​	17​	128​	21.99​	2.69​	48.9​	8​
31​	180​	18.78​	3.16​	35.6​	19​	132​	21.84​	2.69​	48.6​	8​
32​	187​	18.85​	3.18​	35.4​	19​	140​	21.21​	2.71​	46.8​	9​
33​	190​	19.15​	3.18​	36​	19​	146​	20.81​	2.71​	45.9​	9​
34​	191​	19.5​	3.2​	36.5​	19​	155​	20.19​	2.71​	44.5​	10​
35​	194​	19.72​	3.2​	36.8​	19​	157​	20.39​	2.72​	44.8​	10​
36​	196​	20.14​	3.21​	37.6​	19​	159​	20.69​	2.74​	45.1​	10​
37​	199​	20.04​	3.19​	37.5​	19​	164​	20.51​	2.76​	44.5​	10​
38​	200​	20.61​	3.19​	38.6​	19​	170​	20.18​	2.75​	43.9​	​

Bumrah against Bangladesh in two test matches series

2 match ,11 wickets with 12.8 AVG.

Before this series Bumrah test wickets were 159 so he has taken 170 wickets in test so far .

After this cycle he can cross 200 test wickets ( 3 test vs NZ ,5 vs Australia and one WTC final if India qualified)

8-9 tests. If he plays 6 tests atleast, he will hit 200 test wickets.

 

[jeetu]

8-9 tests. If he plays 6 tests atleast, he will hit 200 test wickets.

Currently Bumrah gets 4.5 wickets per match. At this rate by 7th test he might reach that mark.

 

[giri26]

Is the same criteria of 5fers applicable for bowlers like Umesh? Or we will need some quantum mechanics equation to understand that he was greater than his numbers suggest?

No one is suggesting Umesh is great. He was a decent bowler who found his calling playing on pitches in India. If you feel that Bumrah isn't great because he is not taking 6fers and 7fers every game then that is your prerogative, I have nothing against it.

 

[giri26]

crazy strike rate of waqar younis. The averages are almost the same. Look at the wickets. Waqar was a beast.

He was but he had 19 5W hauls in 38 Tests but he ended up with just 22? Which means he had only 3 in the final 49 Tests? Seems like a career of 2 phases, the last 49 was good as he ended up with an average of under 24 but 3 vs 19 is a huge gap.

 

[giri26]

Bumrah is a fantastic bowler who has excelled in all 3 formats. He is not a GOAT yet. But to say that he hasn't bowled great spells is ridiculous. His spells in Australia, England and earlier this year in SA and vs England at home on a flat deck are few of his incredible bowling spells. The England spell was great because none of the pacers from either side did anything close to what he did on that pitch. He has ways before he can be called a GOAT but I am 100% sure he will reach there.

 

[kron]

pakistan have imran and wasim akram. waqar i dont rate as highly cause of poor performances vs big sides.
shoaib dint quite do well vs big teams either but he had a weaker team to play with.

pakistan have 2 clear atg that are in top echelon of greats.

india will have bumrah. shami is more around shoaib and waqar bracket.

we need more from india. one or 2 more hopefully in the future.

 

[giri26]

pakistan have imran and wasim akram. waqar i dont rate as highly cause of poor performances vs big sides.
shoaib dint quite do well vs big teams either but he had a weaker team to play with.

pakistan have 2 clear atg that are in top echelon of greats.

india will have bumrah. shami is more around shoaib and waqar bracket.

we need more from india. one or 2 more hopefully in the future.

Waqar had amazing 4-5 years from 1990-1994. From 1995 his career was ordinary where he averaged 25 or below only 3 of 8 years. Akram was more of a well rounded bowler who continued to do well well into his last stages of his career. His initial 4 years was so good that he still managed to average around 24 despite poor last phase.

 

[BouncerGuy]

He was but he had 19 5W hauls in 38 Tests but he ended up with just 22? Which means he had only 3 in the final 49 Tests? Seems like a career of 2 phases, the last 49 was good as he ended up with an average of under 24 but 3 vs 19 is a huge gap.

Maybe because of that injury, but nonetheless, his start was fantastic but his finish was not that good but he is still a legend.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Presenting you the number 1 Test bowler, JASPRIT BUMRAH.

He left behind Ashwin and took over the number 1 spot in the latest ICC rankings.

 

[RyanRyan10]

No one is suggesting Umesh is great. He was a decent bowler who found his calling playing on pitches in India. If you feel that Bumrah isn't great because he is not taking 6fers and 7fers every game then that is your prerogative, I have nothing against it.

Where did I make this claim?

I am suggesting that if Indian fans choose to highlight the greatness of Bumrah based on certain criteria, they should not become defensive when the same criteria are applied to other Indian pacers and they are deemed mediocre in comparison. Like you had done here https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...a-quality-strike-bowler.233827/#post-12290678

 

[giri26]

Where did I make this claim?

I am suggesting that if Indian fans choose to highlight the greatness of Bumrah based on certain criteria, they should not become defensive when the same criteria are applied to other Indian pacers and they are deemed mediocre in comparison. Like you had done here https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...a-quality-strike-bowler.233827/#post-12290678

Umesh Yadav's case is different, like I mentioned he developed a way to bowl only in India and he did well. His overseas performance isn't great and he did not get many opportunities as well. Completely different scenario. I just mentioned that Umesh was in the Indian team to fill a role which he did well. He has the best record as a pacer on Indian pitches after Jasprit. That's all there is about him. Bumrah is different, except for one NZ Tour, he has done well wherever he has played so far. He still has a long way to go to be considered a GOAT but what he has achieved cannot be denied. Except for hand full of pacers like Wasim or McGrath we can poke a hole on every pacers records who are considered greats. For example Ambrose played only 6 of his 98 Tests in Asia and none in India. Waqar Younis struggled in Australia and India. Dale Steyn had ordinary records in UAE, England and Sri Lanka and so on. We can do this for any pacer in the world who is widely considered as a great in the world.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Umesh Yadav's case is different, like I mentioned he developed a way to bowl only in India and he did well. His overseas performance isn't great and he did not get many opportunities as well. Completely different scenario. I just mentioned that Umesh was in the Indian team to fill a role which he did well. He has the best record as a pacer on Indian pitches after Jasprit. That's all there is about him. Bumrah is different, except for one NZ Tour, he has done well wherever he has played so far. He still has a long way to go to be considered a GOAT but what he has achieved cannot be denied. Except for hand full of pacers like Wasim or McGrath we can poke a hole on every pacers records who are considered greats. For example Ambrose played only 6 of his 98 Tests in Asia and none in India. Waqar Younis struggled in Australia and India. Dale Steyn had ordinary records in UAE, England and Sri Lanka and so on. We can do this for any pacer in the world who is widely considered as a great in the world.

Umesh Yadav received 17 opportunities to play in tests outside Asia, where he averaged 38+. These number of chances should be enough to create something. He was not selected for 500 overseas tests because of his poor performance. Only Bumrah could be classified as an elite level pacer among the Indian pacers , while the other bowlers were merely decent yet Umesh failed to make it to the XI regularly. BTW, Shami also possesses a superior home record compared to Umesh Yadav at home, but we are not discussing that aspect here.

I will repeat again, there's no need to go defensive on accepting the mediocrity of India's pace bowling, now that you have produced Bumrah.

 

[kron]

Umesh Yadav received 17 opportunities to play in tests outside Asia, where he averaged 38+. These number of chances should be enough to create something. He was not selected for 500 overseas tests because of his poor performance. Only Bumrah could be classified as an elite level pacer among the Indian pacers , while the other bowlers were merely decent yet Umesh failed to make it to the XI regularly. BTW, Shami also possesses a superior home record compared to Umesh Yadav at home, but we are not discussing that aspect here.

I will repeat again, there's no need to go defensive on accepting the mediocrity of India's pace bowling, now that you have produced Bumrah.

Bumrah
Then kapil and shami

Srinath and then zak khan and then the rest.

Clear drop off from bumrah

Whereas for Pakistan they have imran and wasim akram.

Waqar performance vs arch rivals and Australia weren't good so I rate him lower.

Shoaib the same but he had a weaker team.

 

[Mockingbird]

Whenever I think that Bumrah is getting too much hype these days, he manages to surprise me with his amazing variations and makes me realize what a fantastic bowler he is who deserves all the hype. Case in point his ‘off-spin’ yesterday to get rid of Mushfiqur. What a ball! What a bowler!

 

[Devadwal]

Jasprit Bumrah in Home Tests:

44 Wickets, 15.47 Avg & 32.4 Sr.

Jasprit Bumrah in Away Tests:

126 Wickets, 21.10 Avg & 46.2 Sr.

 

[kron]

Jasprit Bumrah in Home Tests:

44 Wickets, 15.47 Avg & 32.4 Sr.

Jasprit Bumrah in Away Tests:

126 Wickets, 21.10 Avg & 46.2 Sr.

Think vs aus this time he will play 3 tests and average 22 to 23

Vs nz should be 20 to 21. He will play one or 2 vs nz.


England he averaged 26 I believe. Only place he somewhat needs to improve I guess a little.

 

[Ab Fan]

Think vs aus this time he will play 3 tests and average 22 to 23

Vs nz should be 20 to 21. He will play one or 2 vs nz.


England he averaged 26 I believe. Only place he somewhat needs to improve I guess a little.

Bumrah will average 29 this series. Mark my word.

 

[Devadwal]

Bumrah will average 29 this series. Mark my word.

Are you talking about BGT Or Nz?

Australia will give greenish, bouncy pitch for this series so i think he will Average around 20

Australia is not going to produce flat tracks that's for sure.

 

[mominsaigol]

Are you talking about BGT Or Nz?

Australia will give greenish, bouncy pitch for this series so i think he will Average around 20

Australia is not going to produce flat tracks that's for sure.

Australians aren't cheaters that's why. Believe in fair play. Indians however ......................

 

[kron]

Bumrah will average 29 this series. Mark my word.

Right.

Depends on pitches. Flat pitches everyone will average 30 plus. Includes cummo and hazlewood


I remember in 2014 series lmao everyone averaged 30 plus. Only Mitch and shami bowled ok ish.

Flat pitches are useless for bowlers.

 

[Devadwal]

Australians aren't cheaters that's why. Believe in fair play. Indians however ......................

What a joke ,cant stop my laugh .

Why Smith and Warner was banned for a year ? Maybe for scoring century lol

Or what does brainfade moment related to ? Just few examples only as ths is not thread about Australia.

Tag me any related thread I'll so you mirror .

 

[kron]

Australians aren't cheaters that's why. Believe in fair play. Indians however ......................

Yes indians are masters at cheating. Like sandpaper

 

[mominsaigol]

What a joke ,cant stop my laugh .

Why Smith and Warner was banned for a year ? Maybe for scoring century lol

Or what does brainfade moment related to ? Just few examples only as ths is not thread about Australia.

Tag me any related thread I'll so you mirror .

Not all Indians are cheaters.

Rohit, Kohli, Sachin and many others I respect. I am referring to people like harbajan, the indian pitch curators, modi, indian umpires etc etc.

While aussie players never cheat nor do their curators cheat nor do their official and umpires cheat.

Yes indians are masters at cheating. Like sandpaper

 

[kron]

Not all Indians are cheaters.

Rohit, Kohli, Sachin and many others I respect. I am referring to people like harbajan, the indian pitch curators, modi, indian umpires etc etc.

While aussie players never cheat nor do their curators cheat nor do their official and umpires cheat.

India have diploma in cheating

Rest are all bachelor level.
India are the nice guys. True and fair players that play in the spirit of the game.
Pakistan have masters /phd both.
Pommies double phd in cheating
Australia phd in cheating

 

[mominsaigol]

India have diploma in cheating

Rest are all bachelor level.
India are the nice guys. True and fair players that play in the spirit of the game.
Pakistan have masters /phd both.
Pommies double phd in cheating
Australia phd in cheating

Wrong.

Australia never went to cheat university.
Pakistan invented said uni
Indians graduated though with honors

Australia hasn't cheated in their life. Infact they had England invent bodyline just to get a win and still couldn't

 

[NishanKonar]

Wrong.

Australia never went to cheat university.
Pakistan invented said uni
Indians graduated though with honors

Australia hasn't cheated in their life. Infact they had England invent bodyline just to get a win and still couldn't

Naah

Pakistan & Australia are hands down the worst cheats in cricket. Australia has improved in recent years but in the 80s & 90s there umpires were really bad. There was a test in Melbourne 1986 when India was on verge of victory - the Australian batter edged to 2nd slip & still umpire gave not out ! And the match ended in draw

But again nothing compared to Pakistani umpires. Shakoor Rana almost caused a diplomatic crisis with his cartoonishly biased umpiring. There was a reason why Imran Khan as the first to propose neutral umpires - bcoz Pakistani umpires were comically bad & biased

Not to forget ball tampering & chucking. Don't think any country got so many players banned for chucking as Pakistan

There is a reason Pakistan cricket declined with end of home umpires in 2000 & crackdown on ball tampering due to more vigilant tv cameras from 2000 onwards

 

[kron]

Naah

Pakistan & Australia are hands down the worst cheats in cricket. Australia has improved in recent years but in the 80s & 90s there umpires were really bad. There was a test in Melbourne 1986 when India was on verge of victory - the Australian batter edged to 2nd slip & still umpire gave not out ! And the match ended in draw

But again nothing compared to Pakistani umpires. Shakoor Rana almost caused a diplomatic crisis with his cartoonishly biased umpiring. There was a reason why Imran Khan as the first to propose neutral umpires - bcoz Pakistani umpires were comically bad & biased

Not to forget ball tampering & chucking. Don't think any country got so many players banned for chucking as Pakistan

There is a reason Pakistan cricket declined with end of home umpires in 2000 & crackdown on ball tampering due to more vigilant tv cameras from 2000 onwards

Australia as a country was just a dump yard for scums, hillbillies and convicts that got booted out of their master's land, England. So it's in the blood.

 

[mominsaigol]

Naah

Pakistan & Australia are hands down the worst cheats in cricket. Australia has improved in recent years but in the 80s & 90s there umpires were really bad. There was a test in Melbourne 1986 when India was on verge of victory - the Australian batter edged to 2nd slip & still umpire gave not out ! And the match ended in draw

But again nothing compared to Pakistani umpires. Shakoor Rana almost caused a diplomatic crisis with his cartoonishly biased umpiring. There was a reason why Imran Khan as the first to propose neutral umpires - bcoz Pakistani umpires were comically bad & biased

Not to forget ball tampering & chucking. Don't think any country got so many players banned for chucking as Pakistan

There is a reason Pakistan cricket declined with end of home umpires in 2000 & crackdown on ball tampering due to more vigilant tv cameras from 2000 onwards

You realise I'm joking?

It's just @Devadwal and @kron Are very very fun to troll and in Kron's case he knows when I'm messing around.

Warner being banned and smith being banned is enough justification lol.

And pakistan literally has 2010 spot fixing saga to their name.

No one in their right mind would ever call Australia and pakistan fair players lol.

 

[kron]

You realise I'm joking?

It's just @Devadwal and @kron Are very very fun to troll and in Kron's case he knows when I'm messing around.

Warner being banned and smith being banned is enough justification lol.

And pakistan literally has 2010 spot fixing saga to their name.

No one in their right mind would ever call Australia and pakistan fair players lol.

Yea I know you are joking bro.

It's all fun and games.

Jazz boom thread. This time in aus it will be a tough series I reckon.

First 3 pitches will suit jassi though. So he should average sub 24 I feel. 4th match if he does play will be on a dost wicket. I think he will play Max 4. If he does play on the flattie I reckon everyone will struggle. Unless jassi and cummins unleash some reverse. Possible.


Weirdly enough I was looking at some stats of cummins and rabada in England. Their last series in England was bad. Especially cummins. In 2023. I feel England purposely made ultra flat pitches for their hacks. That affected cummins average. 37 in the last eng series.

 

[Buffet]

Naah

Pakistan & Australia are hands down the worst cheats in cricket. Australia has improved in recent years but in the 80s & 90s there umpires were really bad. There was a test in Melbourne 1986 when India was on verge of victory - the Australian batter edged to 2nd slip & still umpire gave not out ! And the match ended in draw

But again nothing compared to Pakistani umpires. Shakoor Rana almost caused a diplomatic crisis with his cartoonishly biased umpiring. There was a reason why Imran Khan as the first to propose neutral umpires - bcoz Pakistani umpires were comically bad & biased

Not to forget ball tampering & chucking. Don't think any country got so many players banned for chucking as Pakistan

There is a reason Pakistan cricket declined with end of home umpires in 2000 & crackdown on ball tampering due to more vigilant tv cameras from 2000 onwards

I don't think Aus and Pakistan's situation is at similar level.

Nuetral umpire came in 1994.

Pakistan at home W/L( 10 years before neutral umpires ) : 6
Pakistan at home W/L ( 10 years after Neutral umpires ) : 1

It's important to note that away performanne saw no change and Pakistan had Wasim, Waqar, Anwar, Inzzi, Saqlain, Akhtar so team quality did not change. Performance changed literally like off and on switch immediately after nuetral umpires started on home grounds and only in home grounds.

No other team had that kind of decline in home performacne including Aus after nuetral umpire came. It's not a decline, it's like some one flipped a switch. It's fashionable to say that all home teams benefitted with home umpires, but there is case of benefitting and there is case of day light robbery.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yea I know you are joking bro.

It's all fun and games.

Jazz boom thread. This time in aus it will be a tough series I reckon.

First 3 pitches will suit jassi though. So he should average sub 24 I feel. 4th match if he does play will be on a dost wicket. I think he will play Max 4. If he does play on the flattie I reckon everyone will struggle. Unless jassi and cummins unleash some reverse. Possible.


Weirdly enough I was looking at some stats of cummins and rabada in England. Their last series in England was bad. Especially cummins. In 2023. I feel England purposely made ultra flat pitches for their hacks. That affected cummins average. 37 in the last eng series.

I expect India to beat Australia.

India will usually get rid of Australia unless it's a tournament final or wtc where just like NZ, Australia will typically dogwalk them.

NZ, Pakistan, SA and India are the 4 teams that for some reason just for some reason can't beat Australia in important events.

NZ 2021 was > Aus 2021 in t20, They still got dogwalked, Same qith 2023 India, and honestly same with 2021 Pakistan.

Just a choke and mental pressure from facing the guys that have won the most ig. In the same way SA for some reason struggles life and limb against nedtherlands and lost to them even in 2023 when they literally murked aus in groups same Aus that beat them in semi's.

Only England and Sri Lanka just never back down against australia under any circumstance when in a knock out even if their outgunned.

It's just cricket tradition. I can't see India ever beating Australia in a final under any circumstance.

I can only see England and Sri lanka pull it off.

 

[kron]

I expect India to beat Australia.

India will usually get rid of Australia unless it's a tournament final or wtc where just like NZ, Australia will typically dogwalk them.

NZ, Pakistan, SA and India are the 4 teams that for some reason just for some reason can't beat Australia in important events.

NZ 2021 was > Aus 2021 in t20, They still got dogwalked, Same qith 2023 India, and honestly same with 2021 Pakistan.

Just a choke and mental pressure from facing the guys that have won the most ig. In the same way SA for some reason struggles life and limb against nedtherlands and lost to them even in 2023 when they literally murked aus in groups same Aus that beat them in semi's.

Only England and Sri Lanka just never back down against australia under any circumstance when in a knock out even if their outgunned.

It's just cricket tradition. I can't see India ever beating Australia in a final under any circumstance.

I can only see England and Sri lanka pull it off.

Ever since yuvi left. It's been hard to beat aus in ko games.

But in saying that pant dint play vs aus in any ko for LOI. Don't think aus is a good t20 side. But in odi I want to see if pant can make a difference vs aus.

Aus are kings of odi though

 

[jnaveen1980]

I expect India to beat Australia.

India will usually get rid of Australia unless it's a tournament final or wtc where just like NZ, Australia will typically dogwalk them.

NZ, Pakistan, SA and India are the 4 teams that for some reason just for some reason can't beat Australia in important events.

NZ 2021 was > Aus 2021 in t20, They still got dogwalked, Same qith 2023 India, and honestly same with 2021 Pakistan.

Just a choke and mental pressure from facing the guys that have won the most ig. In the same way SA for some reason struggles life and limb against nedtherlands and lost to them even in 2023 when they literally murked aus in groups same Aus that beat them in semi's.

Only England and Sri Lanka just never back down against australia under any circumstance when in a knock out even if their outgunned.

It's just cricket tradition. I can't see India ever beating Australia in a final under any circumstance.

I can only see England and Sri lanka pull it off.

Wrong stat. You are just focusing on final. If two teams meet each other in 10 finals and one team lose all 10 then you can claim. WTC final don't count that. That is a stupid final with no preparation for one team.

After 2003 final loss India vs Australia in world cups

2011 QF India
2015 SM Australia
2019 First round India
2023 First round India
2023 Final Australia

You sound like India is losing every encounter against Australia in world cup. India knocked them out in 1983 quarter final as well. Then 2007 World T20 semi final india knocked Australia out. There are certain things that have to go Australia's way (like Toss) for them to beat India. 4 out of 5 matches current India would whop this Australia in ODIs. God forsaken Modi stadium came up with a rubbish pitch that overly favored the team batting second. Won't happen everywhere

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ever since yuvi left. It's been hard to beat aus in ko games.

But in saying that pant dint play vs aus in any ko for LOI. Don't think aus is a good t20 side. But in odi I want to see if pant can make a difference vs aus.

Aus are kings of odi though

India lost the balance because of Pandya's exit. Also that Mumbai Indian connection allowed them to back that SKY instead of Jaiswal and other promising ODI players. Any time India has a long tail they don't win tournaments.

 

[mominsaigol]

Wrong stat. You are just focusing on final. If two teams meet each other in 10 finals and one team lose all 10 then you can claim. WTC final don't count that. That is a stupid final with no preparation for one team.

After 2003 final loss India vs Australia in world cups

2011 QF India
2015 SM Australia
2019 First round India
2023 First round India
2023 Final Australia

You sound like India is losing every encounter against Australia in world cup. India knocked them out in 1983 quarter final as well. Then 2007 World T20 semi final india knocked Australia out. There are certain things that have to go Australia's way (like Toss) for them to beat India. 4 out of 5 matches current India would whop this Australia in ODIs. God forsaken Modi stadium came up with a rubbish pitch that overly favored the team batting second. Won't happen everywhere

Brother no offence, but you claimed 2024 India > 2003 Australia or well you some weird semantics like categorically claim or whatever phrase you wish to use.

If wtc doesn't count, Then neither does 2011 qf which doesn't even exist anymore in cups and was played in india's home den with a lack of preparation for aus side.

2011 is the weakest aus team in history to play a cup.

Dint bring these tactics with me about no prep, wtc is in England, India knew this months in advance had multiple and multiple months of prep.

Just because your salty that it was an English pitch and not your own den which gives you a significant advantage means nothing.

These are professional teams and you should act like a professional fan rather then coming up qith England pitch excuses when Australia didn't complain while playing on Indian soil.

 

[shaz619]

The best fast bowler is the most exciting one, so I think it would be out of this bunch for me:

Australia: Mitch Starc
England: Mark Wood, Jofra Archer & Saq Mahmood
New Zealand: Kyle Jamieson
West Indies: Shamar Joseph
Bangladesh: Nahid Rana
Zimbabwe: Blessing Muzarabani
South Africa: Rabada
Pakistan: Mohammad Aamir
India: M. Siraj

 

[mominsaigol]

The best fast bowler is the most exciting one, so I think it would be out of this bunch for me:

Australia: Mitch Starc
England: Mark Wood, Jofra Archer & Saq Mahmood
New Zealand: Kyle Jamieson
West Indies: Shamar Joseph
Bangladesh: Nahid Rana
Zimbabwe: Blessing Muzarabani
South Africa: Rabada
Pakistan: Mohammad Aamir
India: M. Siraj

Do you mean prime or current? Because current starc is a hasbeen now. His 2015 self was a different beast.

Cummins and hazlewood are the best pacers for Australia atm. Starc is finished.

 

[Devadwal]

I don't think Aus and Pakistan's situation is at similar level.

Nuetral umpire came in 1994.

Pakistan at home W/L( 10 years before neutral umpires ) : 6
Pakistan at home W/L ( 10 years after Neutral umpires ) : 1

It's important to note that away performanne saw no change and Pakistan had Wasim, Waqar, Anwar, Inzzi, Saqlain, Akhtar so team quality did not change. Performance changed literally like off and on switch immediately after nuetral umpires started on home grounds and only in home grounds.

No other team had that kind of decline in home performacne including Aus after nuetral umpire came. It's not a decline, it's like some one flipped a switch. It's fashionable to say that all home teams benefitted with home umpires, but there is case of benefitting and there is case of day light robbery.

Had you watched the 2007-08 india tour of Australia.

India robbed off a series win due to cheating

How can anyone forget that series when even ponting was clear cheater

 

[Buffet]

Had you watched the 2007-08 india tour of Australia.

India robbed off a series win due to cheating

How can anyone forget that series when even ponting was clear cheater

I did not watch that series closely, What happened with Ponting?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Brother no offence, but you claimed 2024 India > 2003 Australia or well you some weird semantics like categorically claim or whatever phrase you wish to use.

If wtc doesn't count, Then neither does 2011 qf which doesn't even exist anymore in cups and was played in india's home den with a lack of preparation for aus side.

2011 is the weakest aus team in history to play a cup.

Dint bring these tactics with me about no prep, wtc is in England, India knew this months in advance had multiple and multiple months of prep.

Just because your salty that it was an English pitch and not your own den which gives you a significant advantage means nothing.

These are professional teams and you should act like a professional fan rather then coming up qith England pitch excuses when Australia didn't complain while playing on Indian soil.

Your argument is basically "Any time Australia loses a match to India that is the weakest". That is not an argument. That is just excuse. If you think Australia has hold over India in ICC events then it has to be over a very long period like Australia has hold over Pakistan in Tests. You completely ignore the loss of 4 series in a row and cling to that one match where India goes without preparation straight after IPL. You are the one giving excuses for Australia. I don't think even Aussies will give. They are all serious about winning the series. They are not saying "Hey we won WTC final" so we can lose the series 5th time in a row. For them series win is more important. Not these one-off random meaningless final. Reaching the final is enough. We did twice. Will do it third time in a row.

 

[kron]

The best fast bowler is the most exciting one, so I think it would be out of this bunch for me:

Australia: Mitch Starc
England: Mark Wood, Jofra Archer & Saq Mahmood
New Zealand: Kyle Jamieson
West Indies: Shamar Joseph
Bangladesh: Nahid Rana
Zimbabwe: Blessing Muzarabani
South Africa: Rabada
Pakistan: Mohammad Aamir
India: M. Siraj

For me it's mohammed musa

I like him. Reminds me alot of a midget wasim akram.

 

[kron]

Your argument is basically "Any time Australia loses a match to India that is the weakest". That is not an argument. That is just excuse. If you think Australia has hold over India in ICC events then it has to be over a very long period like Australia has hold over Pakistan in Tests. You completely ignore the loss of 4 series in a row and cling to that one match where India goes without preparation straight after IPL. You are the one giving excuses for Australia. I don't think even Aussies will give. They are all serious about winning the series. They are not saying "Hey we won WTC final" so we can lose the series 5th time in a row. For them series win is more important. Not these one-off random meaningless final. Reaching the final is enough. We did twice. Will do it third time in a row.

Australia is the best of the best. When they lose, it's cause they dint feel like winning. They wanted ipl contracts. Big ones. So if they underperformed ipl clubs will throw money at them.

That's why they lost 4 series in a row.

Real format is odi in which they won the WC anyway

 

[mominsaigol]

Your argument is basically "Any time Australia loses a match to India that is the weakest". That is not an argument. That is just excuse. If you think Australia has hold over India in ICC events then it has to be over a very long period like Australia has hold over Pakistan in Tests. You completely ignore the loss of 4 series in a row and cling to that one match where India goes without preparation straight after IPL. You are the one giving excuses for Australia. I don't think even Aussies will give. They are all serious about winning the series. They are not saying "Hey we won WTC final" so we can lose the series 5th time in a row. For them series win is more important. Not these one-off random meaningless final. Reaching the final is enough. We did twice. Will do it third time in a row.

If Indian fans have an issue, beat Australia in a final and end this farce.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The thread is clearly not about any Australia series in the past.

STAY ON TOPIC AND TALK ABOUT BUMRAH

 

[kron]

If Indian fans have an issue, beat Australia in a final and end this farce.

Agreed. We have never beaten aus in a final have we? Quarters and group stages yes plenty of times. Semis? I don't recall. In odi that is.

Aus suck in t20 so no point talking about that.

And now just linking the topic back to bumrah.
Bumrah is great but what will we do once he retires?

Will we be back to our pre bumrah level which was still good when we had shami ishant umesh but we will like that little extra to be the best in the world. Top 3 possibly though yes in terms of bowling attack post bunrah. We will be more functional and focus on attacking as a unit I guess.

 

[shaz619]

Do you mean prime or current? Because current starc is a hasbeen now. His 2015 self was a different beast.

Cummins and hazlewood are the best pacers for Australia atm. Starc is finished.

He’s great to watch regardless compared to the inbred from India, and he will still own them in a major ICC tournament in which he tends to stand up

 

[Hellion]

He’s great to watch regardless compared to the inbred from India, and he will still own them in a major ICC tournament in which he tends to stand up

Yeah stood right up to us in the World T20 recently

 

[shaz619]

The ‘inbre-best’ & Starc in a proper format when it mattered most not so long ago:

They still suffering from the beating which caused memory loss I see

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah stood right up to us in the World T20 recently

What on earth is your issue?

Starc is on his last legs? If I was to say the same thing about kohli, you'd use the argument that he's on his last legs but for starc it's 2024?

Starc in his prime owned india in 2015. He also owned india suprisngly on his last legs in 2023 which was kinda embrassing by default.

He has nothing left to prove. He's won 2 odi world cups + 1 t20 cup + a wtc + multiple ashes etc for his country which is a much bigger achievement then what The entirety of india has achieved in their entire history.

Starc didn't have to wait for eons and eons first from the 80's to 2007 then 4 more years till 2011 + 2013 and then 11+ years for his cabinets.

He did 90% of india's entire achievements and cabinets in a span of 8 to 9 years. He has nothing left to prove

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

What on earth is your issue?

Starc is on his last legs? If I was to say the same thing about kohli, you'd use the argument that he's on his last legs but for starc it's 2024?

Starc in his prime owned india in 2015. He also owned india suprisngly on his last legs in 2023 which was kinda embrassing by default.

He has nothing left to prove. He's won 2 odi world cups + 1 t20 cup + a wtc + multiple ashes etc for his country which is a much bigger achievement then what The entirety of india has achieved in their entire history.

Starc didn't have to wait for eons and eons first from the 80's to 2007 then 4 more years till 2011 + 2013 and then 11+ years for his cabinets.

He did 90% of india's entire achievements and cabinets in a span of 8 to 9 years. He has nothing left to prove

Starc has won 4 icc trophies, Kohli and Rohit have also won3, there is no day and night difference here.

Add to that Starc's team has been defiled every time he faced India both away and in home conditions.

You may also claim that Starc alone is bigger than SA cricket but the argument is idiotic.

Brian Lara despite not winning a single world cup has a bigger legacy than STARC and so do many other players.

 

[mominsaigol]

Starc has won 4 icc trophies, Kohli and Rohit have also won3, there is no day and night difference here.

Add to that Starc's team has been defiled every time he faced India both away and in home conditions.

You may also claim that Starc alone is bigger than SA cricket but the argument is idiotic.

Brian Lara despite not winning a single world cup has a bigger legacy than STARC and so do many other players.

Yes because they existed in 2011 and didn't do a damn while yuvi and Dhoni did it for them while starc clearly did moat of the brunt work in his 4 trophies.

Maaf kar.

 

[kron]

The ‘inbre-best’ & Starc in a proper format when it mattered most not so long ago:

They suffering from the beating which caused memory loss I see

What a performance by the cheating

Wonder if the sand paper was from bunnings and he hid it in his phallus.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yes because they existed in 2011 and didn't do a damn while yuvi and Dhoni did it for them while starc clearly did moat of the brunt work in his 4 trophies.

Maaf kar.

Yeah did STARC do most of the work in 2023 world cup where aussie commentators were asking for him to be removed?

Kohli did way better in 2011 than what starc managed in 2023.

Your line of reasoning was just wrong.

Starc is pretty close to Kohli and Rohit as a winner, there is not much separating them, and STARC is also very close to getting dropped now. One more trophy win and both of them will be on par with STARC

 

[kron]

Yeah did STARC do most of the work in 2023 world cup where aussie commentators were asking for him to be removed?

Kohli did way better in 2011 than what starc managed in 2023.

Your line of reasoning was just wrong.

Starc is pretty close to Kohli and Rohit as a winner, there is not much separating them, and STARC is also very close to getting dropped now. One more trophy win and both of them will be on par with STARC

Starc is better than Lee in tests but he is not that good in the long format.

Only a white ball legend.
Like Dhoni bhai.

Dhoni is average in tests

 

[mominsaigol]

What a performance by the cheating

Wonder if the sand paper was from bunnings and he hid it in his phallus.

Yes cheating even though their playing on Indian pitches, curated by Indians, playing againat players who play on this soil for the rest of their life.

India came full face chest high on aussie soil in 2015 and Australia gave them the immigrants treatment, told them to get lost and sent them back to their country.

Yet India 2x has let Australia walk all over them, Invade their home lands, Upset their crowds, and take their trophy away and went back on their own accord. .

The only thing indians know how to do is market themselves, which translates to talking smack and nonsense. All this kings and Queens and gods of cricket only to formulate calculus level arguments on why their gods couldn't deal with an aussie bowling attack?

Like kahna kya cha rahei ho? The gods can't play an attack because it's too good .

The truth is, Every Indian player that has ever been produced be it a batter, bowler, fielder, captain, all rounder, Australia has always produced a superior player.

For every Dhoni theirs a gilchrist and pointing. For every Sachin theirs a bradman.

For every bumrah theirs a mcgrath

 

[kron]

Yes cheating even though their playing on Indian pitches, curated by Indians, playing againat players who play on this soil for the rest of their life.

India came full face chest high on aussie soil in 2015 and Australia gave them the immigrants treatment, told them to get lost and sent them back to their country.

Yet India 2x has let Australia walk all over them, Invade their home lands, Upset their crowds, and take their trophy away and went back on their own accord. .

The only thing indians know how to do is market themselves, which translates to talking smack and nonsense. All this kings and Queens and gods of cricket only to formulate calculus level arguments on why their gods couldn't deal with an aussie bowling attack?

Like kahna kya cha rahei ho? The gods can't play an attack because it's too good .

The truth is, Every Indian player that has ever been produced be it a batter, bowler, fielder, captain, all rounder, Australia has always produced a superior player.

For every Dhoni theirs a gilchrist and pointing. For every Sachin theirs a bradman.

For every bumrah theirs a mcgrath

Game was played in a new stadium thoug. stadium isn't in
chennai?

Only one person was part of the team embroiled in cheating saga which was the sand paper saga though.

Plus he is only a odi legend.

Not an AtG. AtGs are built from tests.

They got fortunate with the toss. Who knows, probably pulled the sand paper out of his crack hole to scrape the ball to get reverse.

Pitch curated by who? According to who? A pommie lmao?

If anything this crap pitch dint suit india one bit. Flat pitch was what it was supposed to be.

Whoever won the toss basically had an advantage. But credit to scams they managed to win. The are goat cheating nation of cricket.

 

[Hellion]

What on earth is your issue?

Starc is on his last legs? If I was to say the same thing about kohli, you'd use the argument that he's on his last legs but for starc it's 2024?

Starc in his prime owned india in 2015. He also owned india suprisngly on his last legs in 2023 which was kinda embrassing by default.

He has nothing left to prove. He's won 2 odi world cups + 1 t20 cup + a wtc + multiple ashes etc for his country which is a much bigger achievement then what The entirety of india has achieved in their entire history.

Starc didn't have to wait for eons and eons first from the 80's to 2007 then 4 more years till 2011 + 2013 and then 11+ years for his cabinets.

He did 90% of india's entire achievements and cabinets in a span of 8 to 9 years. He has nothing left to prove

Starc had one good performance against India in ICC tournaments - 2015 SF.

Been average to poor after that.

Probably missing his beloved sandpaper.

 

[mominsaigol]

Starc had one good performance against India in ICC tournaments - 2015 SF.

Been average to poor after that.

Probably missing his beloved sandpaper.

Just like you missed your beloved odi trophy 2x

 

[Hellion]

Just like you missed your beloved odi trophy 2x

That doesn't even make sense but I guess it's not for lack of trying

 

[mominsaigol]

Game was played in a new stadium thoug. stadium isn't in
chennai?

Only one person was part of the team embroiled in cheating saga which was the sand paper saga though.

Plus he is only a odi legend.

Not an AtG. AtGs are built from tests.

They got fortunate with the toss. Who knows, probably pulled the sand paper out of his crack hole to scrape the ball to get reverse.

Pitch curated by who? According to who? A pommie lmao?

If anything this crap pitch dint suit india one bit. Flat pitch was what it was supposed to be.

Whoever won the toss basically had an advantage. But credit to scams they managed to win. The are goat cheating nation of cricket.

As the saying goes, Indians talk alot of smack for a bunch of washing machines.

The amount of times I've heard the classic

Kphli is the God of cricket who can dismantle any attack but then revert to bro Australia destroyed him in 2015 because the attack was too good is hilarious.

Apple to oranges. As for the why I keep mentioning chennai over the actual stadium that it was played? No reason, I'm doing it deliberately. Its fun to mess up history, but not as fun as Indians messing up their own history by losing in their own dens twice

 

[kron]

As the saying goes, Indians talk alot of smack for a bunch of washing machines.

The amount of times I've heard the classic

Kphli is the God of cricket who can dismantle any attack but then revert to bro Australia destroyed him in 2015 because the attack was too good is hilarious.

Apple to oranges. As for the why I keep mentioning chennai over the actual stadium that it was played? No reason, I'm doing it deliberately. Its fun to mess up history, but not as fun as Indians messing up their own history by losing in their own dens twice

But I hate kohli though lmao. I am like the biggest kohli hater.

Odi yes. They destroyed kohli in 2015. Kohli did well on flat pitches in 2014 series vs aus in tests though. The more important format.

It's hard to win in finals when convicts keep resorting to cheating.

Toss made a huge difference in 2023.

I only rate bumrah and shami

We also missed pandya and pant in the final for odi and jaiswal. But it's ok. What's done is done. Aus won via cheating. Nothing we can do. Just move on.

Wonder what their next project will be. Wonder why they can't win a test series in England despite cheating as much as pommies. Surely they can use a razor or something. Sick of poms fluking wins or draws in England. We know they are no match for cheating Oz in Oz land. But in England it's competitive. Wonder when the scums can win a series there. Hopefully next ashes is a banger.

 

[mominsaigol]

But I hate kohli though lmao. I am like the biggest kohli hater.

Odi yes. They destroyed kohli in 2015. Kohli did well on flat pitches in 2014 series vs aus in tests though. The more important format.

It's hard to win in finals when convicts keep resorting to cheating.

Toss made a huge difference in 2023.

I only rate bumrah and shami

We also missed pandya and pant in the final for odi and jaiswal. But it's ok. What's done is done. Aus won via cheating. Nothing we can do. Just move on.

Wonder what their next project will be. Wonder why they can't win a test series in England despite cheating as much as pommies. Surely they can use a razor or something. Sick of poms fluking wins or draws in England. We know they are no match for cheating Oz in Oz land. But in England it's competitive. Wonder when the scums can win a series there. Hopefully next ashes is a banger.

Yes yes, I'm sure they telepathically controlled which side the coin would fall on and decided to bowl first which was seem as a suprise decison considering everyone's mama thought the team would bat first including India considering rohit himself stated he was gonna bat first anyway on winning the toss.

Kya cheaters hain yaar. I'm sure they also did something to the seats that caused their fans to evacuate Chennai. And yes you heard me, Chennai.

 

[kron]

Yes yes, I'm sure they telepathically controlled which side the coin would fall on and decided to bowl first which was seem as a suprise decison considering everyone's mama thought the team would bat first including India considering rohit himself stated he was gonna bat first anyway on winning the toss.

Kya cheaters hain yaar. I'm sure they also did something to the seats that caused their fans to evacuate Chennai. And yes you heard me, Chennai.

Well we know they are cheats. It's in the blood itself.
And they actually got caught red handed. Now they have just inveted new crafty ways of concealing tools they use to cheat. Goat odi team though.

 

[kron]

Yes, same fathers as mine and yours and especially Abhinav’s.

Yes, Anil Kumble was more exciting then Bumrat.

What about wasim musa midget akram? He looks to be lethal. Good finisher. Would finish the chances of pakistan winning easily. I like the pace and bounce he gets. Just about knee height.

 

[kron]

Back to bumrah though. What a player. How good what a match up between bumrah vs midget Anwar be? I think he would get him twice in one over no?

 

[Devadwal]

Can Bumrah takes his test Bowling Average to below 20? Currently his average is 20.18

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Can Bumrah takes his test Bowling Average to below 20? Currently his average is 20.18

It would be phenomenal, if he could replicate this career average in upcoming BGT

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah is a bit like Sachin for Pakistani fans.
.

Australia owns India and pakistan? What's the shame in admitting that?

 

[Devadwal]

Australia owns India and pakistan? What's the shame in admitting that?

Agree sir , that's why they haven't beat india in a test series for a decade .lol

 

[Devadwal]

It would be phenomenal, if he could replicate this career average in upcoming BGT

He can no question about that.

 

[mominsaigol]

Agree sir , that's why they haven't beat india in a test series for a decade .lol

Why don't you go back and reply to your steve smith and rizwan goof up before I tear this argument as well.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Why don't you go back and reply to your steve smith and rizwan goof up before I tear this argument as well.

waiting for the tearing to happen

 

[mominsaigol]

waiting for the tearing to happen

You spent years frozen in ice avatar sahib. Spend a few years longer. I haven't gotten my response yet. Nothing happens until I get it.

 

[RahulBose]

If Indian fans have an issue, beat Australia in a final and end this farce.

What is this, I will only study for the final exams category?


The question is - who is better at cricket and the last decade of bgt is the only method you need to know that.

Indian cricketers are better at the game than Australia or anyone right now(been so since a few years )

They have literally ruled test cricket, the only platform that tells you who is most skilled.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

You spent years frozen in ice avatar sahib. Spend a few years longer. I haven't gotten my response yet. Nothing happens until I get it.

Well the argument is Australia hasn't beaten India in a test series for nearly 10 years both home and away.
In the last 4 series : India has won 8 tests and lost 4 and drawn 4.
Please proceed.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well the argument is Australia hasn't beaten India in a test series for nearly 10 years both home and away.
In the last 4 series : India has won 8 tests and lost 4 and drawn 4.
Please proceed.

3 letters ,WTC.

India had every opportunity to finally prove why they can conquer Australia when it truly mattered but they once again bowed to their aussie masters.

 

[Mesozoic]

Man..all these wannabe Australians making me feel honestly sad for them.

Still remember the time when Pak fans used to proudly wave their actual flag irrespective of their team's standing in world cricket. These days all we have are pretentious cringelords who have to hide like neutered cowards behind some other country's flag to find their squeaky voices against Indian fans.

 

[Mockingbird]

3 letters ,WTC.

India had every opportunity to finally prove why they can conquer Australia when it truly mattered but they once again bowed to their aussie masters.

So since for you BGT does not matter, will you acknowledge that India is the lord & master of Australia if they lose the 5 Test match series & win the one off WTC final? Or will it be another arbitrary goalpost?

 

[mominsaigol]

So since for you BGT does not matter, will you acknowledge that India is the lord & master of Australia if they lose the 5 Test match series & win the one off WTC final? Or will it be another arbitrary goalpost?

For india to be the lord and master of Australia they must get rid of their fact that Australia has turned them into a bloody joke more times then I can count.

2003 was such a massive avalanche that Indians had to come up with calculus level excuses for Sachin and the rest of the team. All talks about God of cricket this and that but then making excuses because apparently mchrath is too much for the God.

No disrespect to Sachin, he's the greatest pdi player of all time and top 5 greatest test, but it's hilarious how indian fans put him to folklore levels of power only to find excuses to justify his human errors.

Same with 2015, Indian tried to show their aukaat to Australia and were sent back home like the immigrants they were but when Australia walked into their den they bowed as usual.

2011 was a qf, but the fact that Indians find joy in gloating over beating the weakest aussie team to have played a world cup as a solace in mind blowing laughable not to mention it wasn't a final to begin with.

The situation is so bad that Indians have to desperately cling on to bilaterals or tests or other things to justify their freqent beatings because Australia know how to hurt India so much so that half the final crowd went Gome in flocks 2 hrs before the game ended.