[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Jasprit Bumrah is the best fast-bowler in the world right now

[BouncerGuy]

Ravi Shastri speaking during an ICC review:

“He just showed the world what it takes and you know, it's not often in your career when you have a ball in your hand and you say, do this and the ball does that,”

“Very few have done it, I thought Wasim [Akram] and Waqar [Younis] had it in their prime when they played white-ball cricket. Shane Warne had it where he could literally tell the ball, go there, pitch there, hit leg stump. People who are on top of the game have that ability. I think Bumrah had that in this World Cup,”​

 

[sindhiboy]

hope he wrecks havoc in australia in 4 months time

 

[FearlessRoar]

No surprise! Jasprit Bumrah has the best economy among Indian pacers with minimum 15 overs in T20s since 2023

 

[FearlessRoar]

As per reports, Jasprit Bumrah, who played a vital role in India winning the 2024 T20 World Cup, there’s a possibility he might not feature in the Bangladesh Test series.

India are set to play 10 Tests in the space of four months including five in India (two vs Bangladesh, three vs New Zealand) while five on the tour of Australia.

 

[FearlessRoar]

'Bowlers are the smart ones' - Jasprit Bumrah discusses why bowlers are apt for leadership roles

Jasprit Bumrah threw his weight behind bowlers being chosen for leadership roles.

Indian pace spearhead Jasprit Bumrah says that he feels bowlers are the "smart ones" as they are "not hiding behind a bat" and believes that bowlers are perfect for leadership roles.

Speaking to The Indian Express, Bumrah reminded everyone about Kapil Dev and Imran Khan's success as captains of their respective sides.

"I feel bowlers are smart people because they have to get the batsmen out," Bumrah said.

"Bowlers have to do the hard job and are not hiding behind a bat, they’re not hiding behind a flat wicket. We’re right in the firing line. When we lose a game, it’s usually the bowlers who are blamed. So it’s a hard job.

"We’ve seen Pat Cummins doing really well. When I was a child, I’d seen Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis as captains. Kapil Dev has won us a World Cup. Imran Khan has won a World Cup for Pakistan. So bowlers are the smart ones."

Bumrah, who has captained the Indian team in a Test and a couple of T20Is, stated that people resonate more with batters but stressed that within the Indian camp there was no difference between batters and bowlers.

"I understand that our country loves big batsmen and fair enough, but for me, bowlers drive the game.

"I come from a generation where test cricket used to be shown more on television and for me, till date, it’s the greatest format because I feel that if I do well in that, all other formats will take care of themselves."

Further speaking on the captains he has played under, Bumrah highlighted the qualities of Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and MS Dhoni and the current leadership setup in the team.

"Rohit [Sharma] is one of the few captains who has empathy towards bowlers, despite being a batter.

"He understands players’ emotions, and knows what a player is going through. Rohit is not rigid, he is open to feedback. MS [Dhoni] gave me a lot of security, quickly. He has a lot of faith in his instinct, and doesn’t believe in a lot of planning.

"Virat [Kohli] is energy-driven, passionate, wears his heart on his sleeve. He pushed us in terms of fitness, and changed the narrative that way. Now Virat is not the captain, but he is still a leader. Captaincy is a post, but a team is run by 11 people."

'Bowlers are the smart ones' - Jasprit Bumrah discusses why bowlers are apt for leadership roles

Jasprit Bumrah threw his weight behind bowlers being chosen for leadership roles.

www.icc-cricket.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

Tim Southee said, on the sidelines of a Cricket Rating Award, about Jasprit Bumrah:

"To be able to firstly bounce back from the major injury and come back, he's even better than what he was beforehand. Throw in on top of that, having to juggle multiple formats, can be difficult at times as well."

"He seems to have been able to do that with ease as well. He's probably more experienced, understands his game a bit more. He probably had that time where he was injured to come back and be recharged, refreshed." "We are just seeing a great version (of Bumrah) across all three formats. He's brilliant across all three at the moment. I don't think there's anyone that he's better in (better than him), he is tremendous across all three (formats)."

 

[Bhaijaan]

'Bowlers are the smart ones' - Jasprit Bumrah discusses why bowlers are apt for leadership roles

Jasprit Bumrah threw his weight behind bowlers being chosen for leadership roles.

Indian pace spearhead Jasprit Bumrah says that he feels bowlers are the "smart ones" as they are "not hiding behind a bat" and believes that bowlers are perfect for leadership roles.

Speaking to The Indian Express, Bumrah reminded everyone about Kapil Dev and Imran Khan's success as captains of their respective sides.

"I feel bowlers are smart people because they have to get the batsmen out," Bumrah said.

"Bowlers have to do the hard job and are not hiding behind a bat, they’re not hiding behind a flat wicket. We’re right in the firing line. When we lose a game, it’s usually the bowlers who are blamed. So it’s a hard job.

"We’ve seen Pat Cummins doing really well. When I was a child, I’d seen Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis as captains. Kapil Dev has won us a World Cup. Imran Khan has won a World Cup for Pakistan. So bowlers are the smart ones."

Bumrah, who has captained the Indian team in a Test and a couple of T20Is, stated that people resonate more with batters but stressed that within the Indian camp there was no difference between batters and bowlers.

"I understand that our country loves big batsmen and fair enough, but for me, bowlers drive the game.

"I come from a generation where test cricket used to be shown more on television and for me, till date, it’s the greatest format because I feel that if I do well in that, all other formats will take care of themselves."

Further speaking on the captains he has played under, Bumrah highlighted the qualities of Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and MS Dhoni and the current leadership setup in the team.

"Rohit [Sharma] is one of the few captains who has empathy towards bowlers, despite being a batter.

"He understands players’ emotions, and knows what a player is going through. Rohit is not rigid, he is open to feedback. MS [Dhoni] gave me a lot of security, quickly. He has a lot of faith in his instinct, and doesn’t believe in a lot of planning.

"Virat [Kohli] is energy-driven, passionate, wears his heart on his sleeve. He pushed us in terms of fitness, and changed the narrative that way. Now Virat is not the captain, but he is still a leader. Captaincy is a post, but a team is run by 11 people."

'Bowlers are the smart ones' - Jasprit Bumrah discusses why bowlers are apt for leadership roles

Jasprit Bumrah threw his weight behind bowlers being chosen for leadership roles.

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If it wasn’t such a huge task from a fitness Pov, he should have been the captain of the team now

 

[Varun]

If it wasn’t such a huge task from a fitness Pov, he should have been the captain of the team now

If Cummins can do it, Bumrah can too.

 

[Bhaijaan]

If Cummins can do it, Bumrah can too.

I think Cummins has worked a lot on his fitness otherwise the same theory would apply to him also. Bumrah has surprised me too with his come back from injury. I thought at one point that he’s a gonner but to my absolute surprise he came back better than ever. He’s bowling the best he’s ever bowled right now.

 

[FearlessRoar]

In an interview with Robin Uthappa on a local Indian media outlet, AB de Villiers said:

“Bumrah was always very challenging because he was so competitive, he would never back down, is always in your face so I’ve got a lot of respect for him and the way he plays his cricket. I got a hold of him even a few times. He came back at me and got a hold of me a few times and I love that competitiveness."

 

[FearlessRoar]

Fittest cricket in India? Jasprit Bumrah's reply divides fans on social media​

India fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah landed in hot water with a section of cricket fans on social media. Bumrah in a recent event was asked 'who is the fittest cricketer' from India, to which the fast bowler had an interesting reply. The pacer said that he knew the answer that everyone wanted but said that he would always promote fast bowlers.

Bumrah's reply drew mixed reactions from the fanbases across social media, where many called him arrogant. Bumrah, in his reply, said that people did not realise the amount of hard work that went behind bowling fast in subcontinental conditions and that he would always put the pacers ahead of the rest.

“I know the answer that you are searching for but I would like to say my name because I am a fast bowler,” Bumrah replied to the question 'who was the fittest cricketer from India'.

"I’ve been playing for a while. Being a fast bowler and playing in this country in the heat takes a lot of requirement. So I’ll always promote fast bowlers and always take their name,” Bumrah further added.

The fast bowler indicated that he was not going to name Virat Kohli, who is often recognised as one of the fittest cricketers in the world and credited for bringing the culture of fitness to the Indian team.

The pacer was criticised on social media by fans who claimed that Bumrah missed multiple international tournaments due to injury, unlike Virat Kohli, who had been present in all of them.

Fittest cricket in India? Jasprit Bumrah's reply divides fans on social media

India fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah's reply to the question, 'who is the fittest cricketer from India' has landed him in hot water. A section of India's cricketing fan base has called out Bumrah for being arrogant.

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[AMSS]

How virat Kohli earned that ridiculous fitness god status is beyond me. Well not really because I am aware it's 80 percent PR and 20 percent illiterate Indian fans who probably never saw a lean desi cricketer in their life.

And Bumrah is spot on about batters not really pushed when it comes to fitness. Somewhere else I had a Viratian protest before me that it's fitness that allows Kohli to steal quick singles and turn 2s into 3s. LMAO, the tyranny of low expectations.

Once I looked up Virat's workout on youtube and he was doing an embarrassing 100 kg deadlift with a tragic technique.

 

[AMSS]

Umesh Yadav to my mind has been the real OX of this Indian team the last 10 or so years. Bumrah is right up there.

 

[kron]

How virat Kohli earned that ridiculous fitness god status is beyond me. Well not really because I am aware it's 80 percent PR and 20 percent illiterate Indian fans who probably never saw a lean desi cricketer in their life.

And Bumrah is spot on about batters not really pushed when it comes to fitness. Somewhere else I had a Viratian protest before me that it's fitness that allows Kohli to steal quick singles and turn 2s into 3s. LMAO, the tyranny of low expectations.

Once I looked up Virat's workout on youtube and he was doing an embarrassing 100 kg deadlift with a tragic technique.

All a marketing gimmick. A myth.

Virat is fit but he isn't as fir as our elite bowlers. That's the truth. Fans are dumb.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

How virat Kohli earned that ridiculous fitness god status is beyond me. Well not really because I am aware it's 80 percent PR and 20 percent illiterate Indian fans who probably never saw a lean desi cricketer in their life.

And Bumrah is spot on about batters not really pushed when it comes to fitness. Somewhere else I had a Viratian protest before me that it's fitness that allows Kohli to steal quick singles and turn 2s into 3s. LMAO, the tyranny of low expectations.

Once I looked up Virat's workout on youtube and he was doing an embarrassing 100 kg deadlift with a tragic technique.

He earned that because at the time he came, there was no proper athlete in India, the likes of Bumrah, Pandya and others came in way later

Match fitness is something totally different though, the likes of Ian Botham used to bowl 20 overs everyday with a pot belly and two pints of beer everyday.

The culture of being fit and working on fitness ( hitting gym everyday) was definitely started by Virat and we can see the result now
Skys catch in the t20 WC final wouldn't have been possible if he wasn't fit enough.

 

[IndoorCricket]

People forget Kohli was little chubby when he started his international career. He is supremely fit now.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This bowler is class apart.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837001286392115572

 

[BouncerGuy]

400 done. Many more to come,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837050690549527028

 

[Bhaijaan]

400 done. Many more to come,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837050690549527028

The greatest all format bowler of all time in the history of cricket.

 

[Buffet]

400 done. Many more to come,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837050690549527028

250 test wickets and 600 plus international wickets will put him among the top 20 pacers in longevity. Quality wise, right up there with the best in history.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bumrah should play against weaker opponents to get that wicket tally up.

It would be a shame if a heavyweight bowler like him cannot end career with 300+ Test wickets.

 

[Mockingbird]

Bumrah should play against weaker opponents to get that wicket tally up.

It would be a shame if a heavyweight bowler like him cannot end career with 300+ Test wickets.

No way. He has a most peculiar action which causes lot of back stress- BCCI should continue to manage his workload (a reason why they are also not considering him for captaincy, otherwise he has made his ambitions clear)

Him continuing to perform with top fitness in marquee events is more important than his individual records. We don’t want another case like Shaheen afterall.

 

[Buffet]

Bumrah should play against weaker opponents to get that wicket tally up.

It would be a shame if a heavyweight bowler like him cannot end career with 300+ Test wickets.

Nah, he just need to bowl more match changing spells away from home against good teams. That's the ultimate achievement for any pacer. Anytime that's better than just going for 300+ wickets by picking lots of wickets against weaker teams. He is averaging 8 runs per wicket against SL/WI/BD. Playing 30 tests agasint these teams at this rate may get his average near 15 and push him over 300 tests wickets, but it adds nothing to his legacy.

Playing a lot agaisnt weaker team to boost his stats will take him to Waqar/Sanga categories and does nothing for his team. Real deal is to go and perform in den of strong oppositions. 250 or 300 wickets are irrelvant as total number. Give 5 more match changing spells in den of strong opposition and that's far better than 300+ wickets by playing more against weaker teams.

No need to chase wicket tally. If something needs to be chased then chase outsized number of match changing spells agaisnt good teams.

 

[Buffet]

Nah, he just need to bowl more match changing spells away from home against good teams. That's the ultimate achievement for any pacer. Anytime that's better than just going for 300+ wickets by picking lots of wickets against weaker teams. He is averaging 8 runs per wicket against SL/WI/BD. Playing 30 tests agasint these teams at this rate may get his average near 15 and push him over 300 tests wickets, but it adds nothing to his legacy.

Playing a lot agaisnt weaker team to boost his stats will take him to Waqar/Sanga categories and does nothing for his team. Real deal is to go and perform in den of strong oppositions. 250 or 300 wickets are irrelvant as total number. Give 5 more match changing spells in den of strong opposition and that's far better than 300+ wickets by playing more against weaker teams.

No need to chase wicket tally. If something needs to be chased then chase outsized number of match changing spells agaisnt good teams.

Edited : He is averaging 9 runs per wicket against SL/WI/BD

 

[FearlessRoar]

"Children Trying To Copy My Action...": Jasprit Bumrah's Piece Of Advice For Aspiring Fast Bowlers​

Following a fine spell against Bangladesh, Indian pacer Jasprit Bumrah said that he is happy to have inspired the young generation through his fast bowling. Fine performances by Indian pacers, particularly Jasprit Bumrah, helped the hosts secure a tight advantage at the end of day two of the first Test against Bangladesh at Chennai on Friday. Bumrah completed 400 wickets in international cricket, becoming the 10th bowler from his team to do so. Speaking to JioCinema after the game, Bumrah said that he does not recommend children to copy his bowling action.

"I do not know how to react to that (being told that he is an inspiration). But you know, when I was a kid, I used to. I was a fan of fast bowling. I learnt through watching television. I fell in love with the sport by that. Now, sometimes when I see children trying to copy my action, I do not recommend it. But you know, sometimes it is what it is. You get inspired by something,, and you try and find your own way. I am very happy to create an impact whenever I can," Bumrah told the broadcaster.

The pacer also said he does not get "too high" after being praised or too low after being criticised.

"I try to give my absolute best. So I try to focus on what I can do, and I try to give my absolute best. I wanted to play for India. So playing for India. No complaints. And I want to give my best for as long as I can," he further added.

Coming to the match, Bangladesh won the toss and elected to field first.

The top-order collapsed, and India was left at 34/3. Opener Yashasvi Jaiswal (56 in 118 balls, with nine fours) and Rishabh Pant (39 in 52 balls, with six fours) stitched a 62-run partnership for the fourth wicket, bringing India into the game. After India was reduced to 144/6, Ravichandran Ashwin (113 in 133 balls, with 11 fours and two sixes) and Ravindra Jadeja (86* in 117 balls, with 10 fours and two sixes) stitched a 199-run partnership, helping India reach 376 in 91.2 overs.

Hasan Mahmud (5/83) was the top bowler for Bangladesh, destroying the Indian top order, removing skipper Rohit Sharma (6), Shubman Gill (0), and Virat Kohli (6). Taskin Ahmed also took three wickets for 55 runs.

In their first innings, Bangladesh lost wickets regularly. Shakib Al Hasan (32), Litton Das (22) and Mehidy Hasan Miraz (27*) put up a brief fight for Bangladesh, but Bumrah (4/50) and Akash Deep (2/19) broke the back of Bangladesh batting. Mohammed Siraj and Ravindra Jadeja took two wickets each.

At the end of day three, India was 81/3, with Shubman Gill (33*) and Rishabh Pant (12*) unbeaten, having lost their top order consisting of Rohit (5), Jaiswal (10), and Virat (17) early. India leads by 308 runs.

"Children Trying To Copy My Action...": Jasprit Bumrah's Piece Of Advice For Aspiring Fast Bowlers | Cricket News

Following a fine spell against Bangladesh, Indian pacer Jasprit Bumrah said that he is happy to have inspired the young generation through his fast bowling.

sports.ndtv.com

 

[kron]

Bumrah should play against weaker opponents to get that wicket tally up.

It would be a shame if a heavyweight bowler like him cannot end career with 300+ Test wickets.

Why? Quality over quantity.

I will be happy if he plays just 50 games or Max 60.

Quality games. And averages sub 25 like he does now. That's more than enough. Garner one of the best ever only played 50 60 games.

 

[kron]

No way. He has a most peculiar action which causes lot of back stress- BCCI should continue to manage his workload (a reason why they are also not considering him for captaincy, otherwise he has made his ambitions clear)

Him continuing to perform with top fitness in marquee events is more important than his individual records. We don’t want another case like Shaheen afterall.

Oh? Does he want to be captain? Now that makes sense. Dint realize he put his hand up for captaincy. Ye injury is a worry.

 

[Mainul]

Ravi Shastri speaking during an ICC review:

“He just showed the world what it takes and you know, it's not often in your career when you have a ball in your hand and you say, do this and the ball does that,”

“Very few have done it, I thought Wasim [Akram] and Waqar [Younis] had it in their prime when they played white-ball cricket. Shane Warne had it where he could literally tell the ball, go there, pitch there, hit leg stump. People who are on top of the game have that ability. I think Bumrah had that in this World Cup,”​

As always Ravi Shastri at his best in his analysis. Thats why I like his commentary ,his analysis of the game being honest and straightforward in approach.

He is spot on in this case also bringing examples of 3 greats of the game Wasim,Waqar and Warne . I had the pleasure of watching their whole career. Yes, they literally used to make the ball talk. Whatever they wanted to do they were just able to do almost in every occasion.

Bumrah has that class also. No doubt. His line length is immaculate. He has got all the variety and he execute it smartly. He will be the first choice as a pacer for any team in the world in his generation .But what i don't like about him is his style of bowling,his bowling action. It is not a pleasant sight for a spectator like me. A stiff bowling arm/ upper limb throughout the action, short run up, an ugly type of release of the ball.... I always do value the bowling action of a bowler. Thats why Waqar,Shoib,Steyn,Donald are among my all time favourite and bowler like Pollock , Bumrah ,Walsh will never be in my list though they took many wickets and won many matches.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bumrah has that class also. No doubt. His line length is immaculate. He has got all the variety and he execute it smartly. He will be the first choice as a pacer for any team in the world in his generation .But what i don't like about him is his style of bowling,his bowling action. It is not a pleasant sight for a spectator like me. A stiff bowling arm/ upper limb throughout the action, short run up, an ugly type of release of the ball.... I always do value the bowling action of a bowler. Thats why Waqar,Shoib,Steyn,Donald are among my all time favourite and bowler like Pollock , Bumrah ,Walsh will never be in my list though they took many wickets and won many matches.

Agree with this part. Bumrah's action is like Steve Smith's batting. It is not aesthetically pleasing.

From India, Javagal Srinath and Ishant Sharma had much more pleasant actions. Even Shami has a great action.

Anyway, Bumrah is the greatest Indian pacer of all time despite his unpleasant action.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah is a great bowler. An all-format bowler should be like him. There is no way India does not want him to play each and every game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bumrah is a great bowler. An all-format bowler should be like him. There is no way India does not want him to play each and every game.

He will sit out in LOIs. He must play all Tests. A bowler like him shouldn't finish with less number of wickets

 

[kron]

Bumrah is a great bowler. An all-format bowler should be like him. There is no way India does not want him to play each and every game.

Only big tests and key test match games. Won't play when series is won


No odi bilaterals

Only world cups. That is perfect. Here and there maybe some practice odi games.

 

[Mockingbird]

Agree with this part. Bumrah's action is like Steve Smith's batting. It is not aesthetically pleasing.

From India, Javagal Srinath and Ishant Sharma had much more pleasant actions. Even Shami has a great action.

Anyway, Bumrah is the greatest Indian pacer of all time despite his unpleasant action.

Bumrah (and Steve Smith or any other cricketer) should only be judged on basis of their performance, not their bowling/batting style quotient. If he consistently has the best figures and can you win matches against quality teams (that too in an era which is not particularly helpful to bowlers and has more scrutiny on them which the earlier generation didn’t have to deal with) then he will be the GOAT. As simple as that.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bumrah’s action had grown on me. It will go down as one of the most iconic & effective bowling actions of all time.

 

[AMSS]

Only the degenerates don't enjoy Jasprit's iconic windmill impression.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Limited over specialist Jasprit Bumrah has the second best average in Test cricket

 

[Devadwal]

Jasprit Bumrah moves to number 2 in ICC test bowlers ranking. Soon he will be on top

 

[Mamoon]

230M people will always be grateful to Bumrah for bowling the greatest no-ball of all time.

Good bowler for Indian standards though. Certainly the best pacer to ever come out from India albeit the bar is embarrassingly low.

 

[Bhaijaan]

230M people will always be grateful to Bumrah for bowling the greatest no-ball of all time.

Good bowler for Indian standards though. Certainly the best pacer to ever come out from India albeit the bar is embarrassingly low.

Loving this heel turn bro.

Bumrah who?

 

[Devadwal]

230M people will always be grateful to Bumrah for bowling the greatest no-ball of all time.

Good bowler for Indian standards though. Certainly the best pacer to ever come out from India albeit the bar is embarrassingly low.

When was the last time a Pakistan pacer takes 200 test wickets ??

How embarassing for a nation who claimed to be land of fast bowlers .

 

[Hikaru]

230M people will always be grateful to Bumrah for bowling the greatest no-ball of all time.

Good bowler for Indian standards though. Certainly the best pacer to ever come out from India albeit the bar is embarrassingly low.

Things lose their impact when overdone brother. Putting Indians in their place would work better with some moderation and novelty. You can be more creative with that 140+ IQ.

 

[Mamoon]

When a country with a poor legacy produces a genuinely good player, it is normal for fans to go overboard with praise, for example calling Bumrah the greatest all format pacer in history.

You have to understand that before Bumrah, the GOATs of Indian fast bowling were Zaheer and Srinath, two fast bowlers who weren’t even good enough to carry drinks and towels for the all time C or D XI, because you can name a good 25-30 pacers who were superior.

So it is understandable why Indian fans have made Bumrah sitting on their heads now, but please don’t expect others to do the same and don’t get irritated because most of us have seen better bowlers than him including from our own teams and we are sure that cricket will produce better bowlers than him in the future as well. Not sure about India though.

 

[Mesozoic]

Shame on Bumrah, woeful infact, he should have taken a 5fr against a minnow team like Afghanistan.

So after this 5-fer , not only did Bumrah humiliate Pakistan twice in two World Cups, but also the so called minnow team Afghanistan mauled Pakistan just couple of weeks later lmao.

 

[RyanRyan10]

When a country with a poor legacy produces a genuinely good player, it is normal for fans to go overboard with praise, for example calling Bumrah the greatest all format pacer in history.

You have to understand that before Bumrah, the GOATs of Indian fast bowling were Zaheer and Srinath, two fast bowlers who weren’t even good enough to carry drinks and towels for the all time C or D XI, because you can name a good 25-30 pacers who were superior.

So it is understandable why Indian fans have made Bumrah sitting on their heads now, but please don’t expect others to do the same and don’t get irritated because most of us have seen better bowlers than him including from our own teams and we are sure that cricket will produce better bowlers than him in the future as well. Not sure about India though.

@Hikaru this was a better promo

 

[captain.hansolo]

230M people will always be grateful to Bumrah for bowling the greatest no-ball of all time.

Good bowler for Indian standards though. Certainly the best pacer to ever come out from India albeit the bar is embarrassingly low.

I don’t get the reference. Do explain!

 

[captain.hansolo]

I don’t get the reference. Do explain!

Never mind, I get it, another CT 2017 reference.

 

[FearlessRoar]

The talent he has is once in a blue moon

https://twitter.com/x/status/1840609790491337008

 

[Bhaijaan]

The talent he has is once in a blue moon

https://twitter.com/x/status/1840609790491337008

It’s really on the BCCI now how they prolong his peak. Every investment made on Bumrah is worth it.

 

[mominsaigol]

When was the last time a Pakistan pacer takes 200 test wickets ??

How embarassing for a nation who claimed to be land of fast bowlers .

Bumrah > Any bowler in this era.

Indian fans overrate their players too much however.

Sachin went from being slightly > others in odi in his era and top 5 test batters to untouchable jesus gospel of God.

Dhoni went from Asian beast and great captain, to best finisher, best keeper, best captain of all time with a goated sad backstory of meeting his lover who died on a plane. Even though in reality, Dhoni is average as a batter outside Asia and isn't close to Bevan.

Kohli went from goated odi player, Great test batter and great t20 player ton2nd best player ever after Sachin and apparently Indians have felt the need to wipe bradman from their memory.

Bumrah went from best bowler of his era to best bowler of all time where no one is close to him.

I'm pretty sure if Indians wanted, They'd claim Rahane and dhawan are better batters them pointing and Lara but Indian fans 100% believe this, they know they have to draw a line somewhere.

I disagree with Mamoon alot, but Indian fans have a way of turning all time greats into some sort of Folklore myths. When In reality anyone who watches one highlight will know how rubbish all these claims are.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don’t get the reference. Do explain!

Ct 2017

 

[kron]

Bumrah > Any bowler in this era.

Indian fans overrate their players too much however.

Sachin went from being slightly > others in odi in his era and top 5 test batters to untouchable jesus gospel of God.

Dhoni went from Asian beast and great captain, to best finisher, best keeper, best captain of all time with a goated sad backstory of meeting his lover who died on a plane. Even though in reality, Dhoni is average as a batter outside Asia and isn't close to Bevan.

Kohli went from goated odi player, Great test batter and great t20 player ton2nd best player ever after Sachin and apparently Indians have felt the need to wipe bradman from their memory.

Bumrah went from best bowler of his era to best bowler of all time where no one is close to him.

I'm pretty sure if Indians wanted, They'd claim Rahane and dhawan are better batters them pointing and Lara but Indian fans 100% believe this, they know they have to draw a line somewhere.

I disagree with Mamoon alot, but Indian fans have a way of turning all time greats into some sort of Folklore myths. When In reality anyone who watches one highlight will know how rubbish all these claims are.

indian fans: bumrah goat best ever
pakistan fans: wasim best ever

both are great and thats what matters. both are great in their own era. thats all we can say.

but bumrah in tests in sena has been unreal.

 

[mominsaigol]

indian fans: bumrah goat best ever
pakistan fans: wasim best ever

both are great and thats what matters. both are great in their own era. thats all we can say.

but bumrah in tests in sena has been unreal.

Wasim isn't the best ever by any means. I didn't claim that. He's the best ever from Pakistan followed by bumrah best ever from India.

Both these nations have been massively massively inferior to Australia in terms of talent produced.

Whatever India or Pakistan has produced as keeper, Batter, Bowler, Spinner, Australia has always had someone better.

For example no Indian keeper or pakistani keeper is within bootlicking distance of Gilchrist.

No Indian pacer or pak pacer is within bootlicking distance of mcgrath

No Indian or pak spinner is close to Warne

Even sachin the God of cricket has bradman standing next to him. Unlike sachin, Bradman was never outscored, Outaveraged in any game. The only time he was ever outscored even was his final game where he got dismissed for a single digit score for the first and last time.

Even when England was cheating with bodyline and was banned for it he still averaged 50+ and outscored everyone including English batters

 

[kron]

Wasim isn't the best ever by any means. I didn't claim that. He's the best ever from Pakistan followed by bumrah best ever from India.

Both these nations have been massively massively inferior to Australia in terms of talent produced.

Whatever India or Pakistan has produced as keeper, Batter, Bowler, Spinner, Australia has always had someone better.

For example no Indian keeper or pakistani keeper is within bootlicking distance of Gilchrist.

No Indian pacer or pak pacer is within bootlicking distance of mcgrath

No Indian or pak spinner is close to Warne

Even sachin the God of cricket has bradman standing next to him. Unlike sachin, Bradman was never outscored, Outaveraged in any game. The only time he was ever outscored even was his final game where he got dismissed for a single digit score for the first and last time.

Even when England was cheating with bodyline and was banned for it he still averaged 50+ and outscored everyone including English batters

mcgrath is macgrath.
dont bother mentioning him. he is the best of the best from the best players. king of the cream of the crop.

rest are fall below him. its a matter of choice.

pant has potential to be as good as gilly though. not yet however.

bumrah needs to win a series in SA, england and perhaps a wtc to match mcg in tests
in odi he wont get there. he needs to win a wc. but ideally a wc and a t20 wc.

he wont make past next wc anyway though i feel. he will retire at 36 37

 

[kron]

Great bowler. Again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bumrah > Any bowler in this era.

Indian fans overrate their players too much however.

Sachin went from being slightly > others in odi in his era and top 5 test batters to untouchable jesus gospel of God.

Dhoni went from Asian beast and great captain, to best finisher, best keeper, best captain of all time with a goated sad backstory of meeting his lover who died on a plane. Even though in reality, Dhoni is average as a batter outside Asia and isn't close to Bevan.

Kohli went from goated odi player, Great test batter and great t20 player ton2nd best player ever after Sachin and apparently Indians have felt the need to wipe bradman from their memory.

Bumrah went from best bowler of his era to best bowler of all time where no one is close to him.

I'm pretty sure if Indians wanted, They'd claim Rahane and dhawan are better batters them pointing and Lara but Indian fans 100% believe this, they know they have to draw a line somewhere.

I disagree with Mamoon alot, but Indian fans have a way of turning all time greats into some sort of Folklore myths. When In reality anyone who watches one highlight will know how rubbish all these claims are.

Sachin Tendulkar is widely considered to be atleast the 2nd best batsman ever. Only Sobers can be considered to be close to him. Some may say Viv.

Bradman played in a amateur era. Never faced spinners in the subcontinent. Never faced reverse swing. There has been a marked difference in cricket post 1955. Tours to subcontinent.

Kohli is the best all formats batsman of this era. Goat T20 player. 2nd best ODI player and a great test player.

I will tell you what overrating is

Inzamam rated as best player of fast bowling.

Amir as good as Wasim

Shaheen better than Bumrah

Any batsman being compared to SRT.

And so on.

 

[Mamoon]

Sachin Tendulkar is widely considered to be atleast the 2nd best batsman ever. Only Sobers can be considered to be close to him. Some may say Viv.

Bradman played in a amateur era. Never faced spinners in the subcontinent. Never faced reverse swing. There has been a marked difference in cricket post 1955. Tours to subcontinent.

Kohli is the best all formats batsman of this era. Goat T20 player. 2nd best ODI player and a great test player.

I will tell you what overrating is

Inzamam rated as best player of fast bowling.

Amir as good as Wasim

Shaheen better than Bumrah

Any batsman being compared to SRT.

And so on.

Kohli is struggling to finish his Test career with a 50+ average.

Apart from the 2015-2019 period, he has been underwhelming in Test cricket.

He averages 32/33 in England and New Zealand, two countries with the most lateral movement.

He has been a complete failure in this format since 2020, and 2020 wasn’t last year. 4/5 years is a long enough period to make or break careers.

Kohli at this point is at the same level as someone like Inzamam and Yousuf in Test cricket and that is how he should be remembered in this format unless he does something special in the last couple of years of his career or whatever is left in him.

However, he will be grossly overhyped in Test cricket mainly because of his stature in white ball cricket and because of the force of a fanatic fan base of billions.

Nowhere near great in Test cricket. Test cricket greats are Sachin, Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Miandad, Greg Chappell, Steve Smith, Sangakkara, Dravid, Younis Khan etc. Kohli is falling behind the ladder because of 2012-2014 and 2019-2024 period.

He is also falling behind Joe Root because their Test careers are going in the opposite directions. At this point, it is very likely that Root will end up with more runs and more centuries at a superior average.

 

[kron]

Kohli is struggling to finish his Test career with a 50+ average.

Apart from the 2015-2019 period, he has been underwhelming in Test cricket.

He averages 32/33 in England and New Zealand, two countries with the most lateral movement.

He has been a complete failure in this format since 2020, and 2020 wasn’t last year. 4/5 years is a long enough period to make or break careers.

Kohli at this point is at the same level as someone like Inzamam and Yousuf in Test cricket and that is how he should be remembered in this format unless he does something special in the last couple of years of his career or whatever is left in him.

However, he will be grossly overhyped in Test cricket mainly because of his stature in white ball cricket and because of the force of a fanatic fan base of billions.

Nowhere near great in Test cricket. Test cricket greats are Sachin, Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Miandad, Greg Chappell, Steve Smith, Sangakkara, Dravid, Younis Khan etc. Kohli is falling behind the ladder because of 2012-2014 and 2019-2024 period.

He is also falling behind Joe Root because their Test careers are going in the opposite directions. At this point, it is very likely that Root will end up with more runs and more centuries at a superior average.

I rate kohli below inzi tbh. I rate him on par and yes Yousuf is on his level too. This is the reality.

Where do you rank rohit. Home average of 60 plus. Away only 33. If he had started earlier he may average better but as things stand I rate him around Latham level.

 

[Mamoon]

I rate kohli below inzi tbh. I rate him on par and yes Yousuf is on his level too. This is the reality.

Where do you rank rohit. Home average of 60 plus. Away only 33. If he had started earlier he may average better but as things stand I rate him around Latham level.

Kohli still has time to surpass Inzamam and Yousuf but I wouldn’t bet on it the way he is batting these days and how little hunger he seems to have left. At this rate, he might end up with a lower average than VVS.

Rohit’s Test career is a sad one. He was wasted by Kohli and Shastri/Kumble. By 2014-15, he had established himself as a world class white ball opener but he wasn’t given the chance to open in Test cricket until 2019.

If he had opened between 2014-2019 he could have surpassed Sehwag in this format.

He is almost done now and has been playing like a brainless hack for the past 2 years mainly because he doesn’t have the fitness to play long innings.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sachin Tendulkar is widely considered to be atleast the 2nd best batsman ever. Only Sobers can be considered to be close to him. Some may say Viv.

Bradman played in a amateur era. Never faced spinners in the subcontinent. Never faced reverse swing. There has been a marked difference in cricket post 1955. Tours to subcontinent.

Kohli is the best all formats batsman of this era. Goat T20 player. 2nd best ODI player and a great test player.

I will tell you what overrating is

Inzamam rated as best player of fast bowling.

Amir as good as Wasim

Shaheen better than Bumrah

Any batsman being compared to SRT.

And so on.

That doesn't matter. All those players were born in the same era undergoing the same system based of how cricket was at the time yet Bradman was heads and shoulders > anyone in that same era.

He didn't time travel and decide to be 100× superior to anyone. Kohli in t20 and test has been a joke in both formats for years on end now. Even in his prime their multiple test batters like smith and root who are superior and in t20 their is an even greater amount. He's next level in odi only when he was insong and in his prime.

As for overrating, I never made any of those claims however the last part is a massive disagreement. That's the issue with Indian fans who take Sachin who's only marginally superior to the best batter on his era in odi only and act like he's heads and shoulders above when he isn't.

Everyone saw his exposure in 2003 final and in 2011 and 2012 where all his selfish centuries resulted in losses or ties for india.

In his prime he's no 1 but he isn't leagues and leagues > others like people claim. Pointing, Lara in test and many others are in his class.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Wasim isn't the best ever by any means. I didn't claim that. He's the best ever from Pakistan followed by bumrah best ever from India.

Both these nations have been massively massively inferior to Australia in terms of talent produced.

Whatever India or Pakistan has produced as keeper, Batter, Bowler, Spinner, Australia has always had someone better.

For example no Indian keeper or pakistani keeper is within bootlicking distance of Gilchrist.

No Indian pacer or pak pacer is within bootlicking distance of mcgrath

No Indian or pak spinner is close to Warne

Even sachin the God of cricket has bradman standing next to him. Unlike sachin, Bradman was never outscored, Outaveraged in any game. The only time he was ever outscored even was his final game where he got dismissed for a single digit score for the first and last time.

Even when England was cheating with bodyline and was banned for it he still averaged 50+ and outscored everyone including English batters

Well, one has to be a bit careful here

“For example no Indian keeper or pakistani keeper is within bootlicking distance of Gilchrist.”

Healy was a better keeper than Gilchrist — a point Warne made. Gilchrist was undoubtedly the best keeper/batsman ever but his keeping, per se, was average
Wasim Bari, for example, was clearly a better keeper than Gilchrist

“No Indian pacer or pak pacer is within bootlicking distance of mcgrath”

One could argue Wasim was actually better.
Lara, Tendulkar and VVS named Wasim as the best bowler they ever faced — I guess they were reasonable judges
(and also faced McGrath)
Whether Wasim or McGrath is better may be debatable, but to suggest he was not within “bootlicking” distance of McGrath is hyperbole and ahistorical

 

[mominsaigol]

Well, one has to be a bit careful here

“For example no Indian keeper or pakistani keeper is within bootlicking distance of Gilchrist.”

Healy was a better keeper than Gilchrist — a point Warne made. Gilchrist was undoubtedly the best keeper/batsman ever but his keeping, per se, was average
Wasim Bari, for example, was clearly a better keeper than Gilchrist

“No Indian pacer or pak pacer is within bootlicking distance of mcgrath”

One could argue Wasim was actually better.
Lara, Tendulkar and VVS named Wasim as the best bowler they ever faced — I guess they were reasonable judges
(and also faced McGrath)
Whether Wasim or McGrath is better may be debatable, but to suggest he was not within “bootlicking” distance of McGrath is hyperbole and ahistorical

You clearly know full well I meant keeper batsmen, if you were to go out in the streets and claim bari was better then gilchrist without clarifying people would laugh at you, Because by 1996 it was clear that the classic 70's era of specialist keepers no longer exists and a keeper has to be a batsmen to survive in the 90's up to today.

Obviously in pure keeping ability, Dhoni is superior to gilchrist but as a keeper batter, he isn't even close.

As for what legends say I don't give a kahoot. Anil kumble after rizwan's 131 against sri lanka laughably claimed that rizwan was the top 3 best batsmen in the world on current form. That claim was laughable as in the very sake world cup almost every Tom dick and Harry outperformed rizwan by miles and it wasn't even close.

Mcgrath's spanks wasim in virtually every category against every team alongside spanking Sachin numerous times especially his 4-8 against India and 2003 final runs.

Wasim only has longevity and the wickets column but he's behind mcgrath in virtually every category from avg to er etc etc .

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kohli is struggling to finish his Test career with a 50+ average.

Apart from the 2015-2019 period, he has been underwhelming in Test cricket.

He averages 32/33 in England and New Zealand, two countries with the most lateral movement.

He has been a complete failure in this format since 2020, and 2020 wasn’t last year. 4/5 years is a long enough period to make or break careers.

Kohli at this point is at the same level as someone like Inzamam and Yousuf in Test cricket and that is how he should be remembered in this format unless he does something special in the last couple of years of his career or whatever is left in him.

However, he will be grossly overhyped in Test cricket mainly because of his stature in white ball cricket and because of the force of a fanatic fan base of billions.

Nowhere near great in Test cricket. Test cricket greats are Sachin, Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Miandad, Greg Chappell, Steve Smith, Sangakkara, Dravid, Younis Khan etc. Kohli is falling behind the ladder because of 2012-2014 and 2019-2024 period.

He is also falling behind Joe Root because their Test careers are going in the opposite directions. At this point, it is very likely that Root will end up with more runs and more centuries at a superior average.

Kohlis career isn't finished yet. He is likely to finish in 50s.

Sobers and Viv avgd how much in NZ?

Inzamam and Yousuf had how many centuries in SA and Australia? Yousuf avgd how many in SL or India? Kohli wipes the floor with them.

Younis Khan is a test cricket great? He didn't play in Australia and SA for 6-7 years. Still struggled in SA.

Sangakkara avgd in 30s in India SA and WI. But he is great and Kohli is struggling.

Pakistanis wrote of Tendulkar in mid 2000s, we know how that ended.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That doesn't matter. All those players were born in the same era undergoing the same system based of how cricket was at the time yet Bradman was heads and shoulders > anyone in that same era.

He didn't time travel and decide to be 100× superior to anyone. Kohli in t20 and test has been a joke in both formats for years on end now. Even in his prime their multiple test batters like smith and root who are superior and in t20 their is an even greater amount. He's next level in odi only when he was insong and in his prime.

As for overrating, I never made any of those claims however the last part is a massive disagreement. That's the issue with Indian fans who take Sachin who's only marginally superior to the best batter on his era in odi only and act like he's heads and shoulders above when he isn't.

Everyone saw his exposure in 2003 final and in 2011 and 2012 where all his selfish centuries resulted in losses or ties for india.

In his prime he's no 1 but he isn't leagues and leagues > others like people claim. Pointing, Lara in test and many others are in his class.

That does matter. Bradman basically played in a 2 team era with a mediocre WI and minnow India. The pool of players was very small. He was likely the only truely exceptional batsman of that era.

Kohli is the T20 goat. Top scored and won MoS in multiple T20WCs. Top scored and won India the final of the recent T20WC.

Root and Smith are two batsmen.Not multiple. While Smith is no doubt the better test batter. Root has been barely ahead.


What exposure? Tendulkar carried the team to finals in 2003. He was the second highest scorer for the team in 2011.

Tendulkar played in 6 WCs. Top scored for the team in 3. The team reached the finals in 2 and semis in one. That's how important he was for the time.

Tendulkar has more centuries in wins than anyone else.

 

[Buffet]

Wasim isn't the best ever by any means. I didn't claim that. He's the best ever from Pakistan followed by bumrah best ever from India.


No Indian pacer or pak pacer is within bootlicking distance of mcgrath

You are doing the exactly same what you are accusing some other fans, lol.

Wasim is not bootlicking distance to Mcgrath?

The same McGrath who has a grand total of 1 5-fers in Asia in entier career.

Clearly, if you are making all time world XI for Asian conditions, McGrath will not get anywhere close to getting in the XI. So let's not go over board other way with McGrath. Imagine an Asian batsmen having just 1 ton outside Asia or an Asian bowler having just one 5-fers outside Asia? Mcgrath had his limitations as well. he was surely better but not that much better than Wasim. And yes, ability to take 5-fers in all conditions is a major benchmark for pacers. Even spinners gets crticized if they can't do that in non-spinning conditions.

 

[Buffet]

Just to add to previous point - McGrath had 36 innings in Asia. So it's not like he did not get enough oppurtunities to run through batting sides. He did not have skills to run through batting sides in Asian conditions and it's refelcted in having 1 5-fers in entire career in Asia.

He is surely the best bowler combining both formats but massively over rated by some fans.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys please refrain from any more derogatory references regarding players

 

[Buffet]

Here is list of all non-Asian pacers with below 27 average in Asia.

McGrath had more chances to take 5-fers in Asia than every one else in this list except Steyn. We can ignore Steyn because in Asian condition, he would be far ahead of McGrath. But we have around 30 bowlers in this list who have played far less than McGrath and still McGrath comes near bottom in ablity to pick 5-fers in Asia.

Clearly, if you are making a all time test XI for Asian conditions, McGrath won't be a contender by a large margin. Note this list does not include Asian bowlers. Just non-Asians in Asia.

Flip side is - Wasim will be in contention for all time world XI in any conditions. Not a guranteed spot for sure, but he will be in contention. Just being in conteiton tells you something. Your greatness is always judged by how skillful you are in different conditions. For me, McGrath is still the best bowler in both formats combined but not really that far ahead.

 

[kron]

Here is list of all non-Asian pacers with below 27 average in Asia.

McGrath had more chances to take 5-fers in Asia than every one else in this list except Steyn. We can ignore Steyn because in Asian condition, he would be far ahead of McGrath. But we have around 30 bowlers in this list who have played far less than McGrath and still McGrath comes near bottom in ablity to pick 5-fers in Asia.

Clearly, if you are making a all time test XI for Asian conditions, McGrath won't be a contender by a large margin. Note this list does not include Asian bowlers. Just non-Asians in Asia.

Flip side is - Wasim will be in contention for all time world XI in any conditions. Not a guranteed spot for sure, but he will be in contention. Just being in conteiton tells you something. Your greatness is always judged by how skillful you are in different conditions. For me, McGrath is still the best bowler in both formats combined but not really that far ahead.

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Do one just for performances in India as india would be the hardest to perform against
Possibly pakistam close second

 

[Red-Indian]

Here is list of all non-Asian pacers with below 27 average in Asia.

McGrath had more chances to take 5-fers in Asia than every one else in this list except Steyn. We can ignore Steyn because in Asian condition, he would be far ahead of McGrath. But we have around 30 bowlers in this list who have played far less than McGrath and still McGrath comes near bottom in ablity to pick 5-fers in Asia.

Clearly, if you are making a all time test XI for Asian conditions, McGrath won't be a contender by a large margin. Note this list does not include Asian bowlers. Just non-Asians in Asia.

Flip side is - Wasim will be in contention for all time world XI in any conditions. Not a guranteed spot for sure, but he will be in contention. Just being in conteiton tells you something. Your greatness is always judged by how skillful you are in different conditions. For me, McGrath is still the best bowler in both formats combined but not really that far ahead.

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I too don't understand this deification of McGrath. He was obviously a great bowler - top 5 of all time but folks rewrite history if they claim he was so clearly head and shoulders over everyone else. I watched so much cricket at the time and I'm not sure I was more terrified when Indian batters were facing him or Ambrose or Donald or of course Akram.

 

[Buffet]

Do one just for performances in India as india would be the hardest to perform against
Possibly pakistam close second

I won't hold it agaisnt anyone if they are not able to pick 5-fers agaisnt one opponenet or score a ton agaisnt one opponent because often one opponent is not a big sample size.

McGrath had 36 attempts in Asia so no question about not getting enough oppurtunities. That's why I highlighted Asia because greatness is always about doing well in alien conditions.


Anyway, since you asked just for India for non Asian pacers, here it is.

 

[RexRex]

Bumrah is the GOAT. Confirmed today .. we won't see a bowler like him again.

 

[kron]

Bumrah is the GOAT. Confirmed today .. we won't see a bowler like him again.

He has a good 4 to 6 years left.

He can play 5 to 6 per year. I see him finishing with 68 to 70 tests and that's solid.

Should be sub 23 average. Too bad He cant stat pad like sena bowlers as indian pitches are not conducive to fast bowling.

Although srinath himself averaged 25 26 in India so jassu shouldn't have any issues here averaging sub 23.

 

[Devadwal]

Bumrah becomes the first bowler to complete 50 wickets in international cricket in 2024.

Cricketer of the year award loading for him??

 

[KP From India]

Wasim isn't the best ever by any means. I didn't claim that. He's the best ever from Pakistan followed by bumrah best ever from India.

Both these nations have been massively massively inferior to Australia in terms of talent produced.

Whatever India or Pakistan has produced as keeper, Batter, Bowler, Spinner, Australia has always had someone better.

For example no Indian keeper or pakistani keeper is within bootlicking distance of Gilchrist.

No Indian pacer or pak pacer is within bootlicking distance of mcgrath

No Indian or pak spinner is close to Warne

Even sachin the God of cricket has bradman standing next to him. Unlike sachin, Bradman was never outscored, Outaveraged in any game. The only time he was ever outscored even was his final game where he got dismissed for a single digit score for the first and last time.

Even when England was cheating with bodyline and was banned for it he still averaged 50+ and outscored everyone including English batters

Think Bradman avg of 99 can't be taken at a face value. Not to say he wasn't an ATG.
Cricket before 1960 was way different. Aus, Eng , Wi were the only teams to play cricket regularly.
Bradman never faced Kumble, Ashwin, Saqlain let alone Warne or Murali. Never face reverse swing of Wasim. He played 70% of the Cricket against the same opponent. I am sure if Ind regularly play SA/English test tours every 6 Months, will win more than we will lose.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bradman

Think Bradman avg of 99 can't be taken at a face value. Not to say he wasn't an ATG.
Cricket before 1960 was way different. Aus, Eng , Wi were the only teams to play cricket regularly.
Bradman never faced Kumble, Ashwin, Saqlain let alone Warne or Murali. Never face reverse swing of Wasim. He played 70% of the Cricket against the same opponent. I am sure if Ind regularly play SA/English test tours every 6 Months, will win more than we will lose.

Theirs a difference. Bradman was also born in the exact same era and no one in his era even averaged 50 let alone 99.

He isn't a time traveller, he's born in that era with the same infrastructure, same talent pool, same pitches, same bats and what not.

Reason he's a God of cricket is because he genuinely was superior to everyone in his era in every metric whereas Sachin was not.

Heck one trait of Bradman was that he single handidely won games without the need for any input whereas Sachin despite all his talents led India into the ground during his captaincy stint. Which clearly shows that while he's a gun batter, Ultimately he has his limitations as he alone is not capable of outbatting the opposition to the point that bowling becomes a non factor.

 

[Buffet]

I too don't understand this deification of McGrath. He was obviously a great bowler - top 5 of all time but folks rewrite history if they claim he was so clearly head and shoulders over everyone else. I watched so much cricket at the time and I'm not sure I was more terrified when Indian batters were facing him or Ambrose or Donald or of course Akram.

Yah, McGrath was very accurate and his bowling suited very well for dogy pitches in WI with uneven bounce. He took plenty of 5 fers in WI. Eng was very poor in those days and he took lots of 5-fers in Eng. But outside of that, he wasn't really running through sides.

To put it in context,

McGrath in WI/Eng: 24 tests - 14 5-fers

Contrast with,

McGrath in Ind/Pak/SA/SL/NZ - 30 tests - 4 5-fers


WI and Eng had poor batting line up and bottom 3 batting sides during his playing days. McGrath is still the best bowler for me when combining Test and ODI, but he sometime gets massively over rated despite not having ability to run through sides in so many different conditions. I saw his entire career and he is the best bowler for me in the last 30-35 years, but he is not really that far ahead. I always rate bowlers much higher based on what they do in test format in den of strong oppositions. McGrath does not stand out in that aspect. He does stand out in Aus/WI/Eng. If I am making an all time XI to play in Aus/WI/Eng , he will be a guranteed start but that's not the case if you are picking all time XI to play outside of Aus/Eng/WI.

Main reason Aus struggled so much in India was McGrath inability ot run through batting in India and at same time Indians just thrashed Warne. I mean two ATG bowlers were not that effective so not a surprise that Aus struggled in India against a strong batting line up. Even Gillespie , who was third in that bowling unit, has just 1 5-fers in Asia. That's why when some posters try to rate past era Aus bowling too much higher than Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon, I don't agree. Aus had an ATG bowling unit in Cummins/Starc/Hazlewood/Lyon.

 

[KP From India]

Theirs a difference. Bradman was also born in the exact same era and no one in his era even averaged 50 let alone 99.

He isn't a time traveller, he's born in that era with the same infrastructure, same talent pool, same pitches, same bats and what not.

Reason he's a God of cricket is because he genuinely was superior to everyone in his era in every metric whereas Sachin was not.

Heck one trait of Bradman was that he single handidely won games without the need for any input whereas Sachin despite all his talents led India into the ground during his captaincy stint. Which clearly shows that while he's a gun batter, Ultimately he has his limitations as he alone is not capable of outbatting the opposition to the point that bowling becomes a non factor.

Sachin's era team used to travel for test tours to 8-9 different countries as there were Pakistan tours as well.
IK, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqlain, Pollock, Donald, Steyn, Morkel, Murali, Vaas, McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, Bond, Walsh, Ambrose and many more...
Name me at least 70% of these from Bradman era.
If any Ranji batter with decent technique decides to only tour( don't ask how) SL, Bang, UAE , Pak , Wi alongside playing in India, he can easily accumulate runs at an average of 55/60. Can we compare him to Punter or Kallis?

 

[mominsaigol]

Sachin's era team used to travel for test tours to 8-9 different countries as there were Pakistan tours as well.
IK, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqlain, Pollock, Donald, Steyn, Morkel, Murali, Vaas, McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, Bond, Walsh, Ambrose and many more...
Name me at least 70% of these from Bradman era.
If any Ranji batter with decent technique decides to only tour( don't ask how) SL, Bang, UAE , Pak , Wi alongside playing in India, he can easily accumulate runs at an average of 55/60. Can we compare him to Punter or Kallis?

Is 55/60 = 99?

 

[KP From India]

Is 55/60 = 99?

No one in today's era can average 99 with the bat, no one. 99 is a face value.

Would Muralitharan have averaged 9 or 10 against today's batters with susceptible techniques. Of course not, he would have averaged 18 at best instead of 23.

There is a difference between 200 and 70 odd sample size. Players like Kapil played till their thighs were broken to 131 tests, he could have chose to play 80-90 odd tests.

Kapil's average of 29.70 is also at a face value, he was a 25-26 average bowler and certainly was at least a Gillespie level.

 

[dravidthewall]

He has a good 4 to 6 years left.

He can play 5 to 6 per year. I see him finishing with 68 to 70 tests and that's solid.

Should be sub 23 average. Too bad He cant stat pad like sena bowlers as indian pitches are not conducive to fast bowling.

Although srinath himself averaged 25 26 in India so jassu shouldn't have any issues here averaging sub 23.

I wish he would play 100 tests for india.