[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Jasprit Bumrah is the best fast-bowler in the world right now

50 years later, will anyone care what a specific bowler did with a particular spell? There are probably thousands of good spells like this. People are likely to remember the wicket count.

Anderson - 700+ wickets
Wasim - 400+ wickets
McGrath - 563 wickets
Walsh - 519 wickets
Steyn - 400+ wickets

200-250 Test wickets is unlikely to cut it.
History remembers Malcolm Marshall as the greatest test bowler and he hasn’t taken 400 wkts, so your argument doesn’t make sense.
The likes of Holding, Garner, Roberts are considered genuine ATGs and they have taken 250 odd wkts.
 
Unless Bumrah finishes with 250-300 Test wickets, he shouldn't be considered as an ATG. Longevity matters too.

Even Chris Cairns has 218 Test wickets.

Bumrah has 159 Test wickets currently.
 
Unless Bumrah finishes with 250-300 Test wickets, he shouldn't be considered as an ATG. Longevity matters too.

Even Chris Cairns has 218 Test wickets.

Bumrah has 159 Test wickets currently.
Ye should get 250 at 22 average. After 35 he can just play 4 tests per year till he is 37 max.
 
Unless Bumrah finishes with 250-300 Test wickets, he shouldn't be considered as an ATG. Longevity matters too.

Even Chris Cairns has 218 Test wickets.

Bumrah has 159 Test wickets currently.
He already has more wickets vs the teams that matter (Aus, SA and Eng) than any Pakistani pacer in history.

He's got nothing to achieve by getting a truckload of wickets vs the lesser teams.
 
He already has more wickets vs the teams that matter (Aus, SA and Eng) than any Pakistani pacer in history.

He's got nothing to achieve by getting a truckload of wickets vs the lesser teams.

Who determine which team matter? You?

Why would you omit New Zealand? They won the WTC recently.

Seems like Bumrah needs spicy pitches to do well in Test.
 
Didn't India get whitewashed 0-2 in NZ last time? LOL.
Do you even understand what I said, for most of their history Nz were an extremely poor team.

Post Bmac they enjoyed a golden era. There's a difference between most and all.

Nz last won a test match in India when Rajiv Gandhi was PM and have never won a series in India.

They're obviously not pathetic, minnows like Bangladesh who are going to be terrible till the end of time
 
Kumble is a legend. Anyone who has 600+ Test wickets is an undisputed legend.

Kumble also took a 10-fer.
It's very hard to break all time stats due to the excessive presence of T20is . 4 match series are getting reduced to 3 and 2 with 5 match T20i series becoming more prevalent. I doubt amy present or future cricketers would be able to break the records of past cricketers in tests
 
Greatness in test format always has been how you do in den of opposition.

In entire history of test cricket, we have only 12 names who have picked up 125 plus wickets with sub 25 average.

Look at each name. Every single name is a great bowler and you won't find 2nd tier greats in that list becasue it's very hard to avearge below 25 and pick up lots of wickets. Steyn, Marchall, McGrath, Wasim, Ambrose, Donald, Hadlee..... What a list.


Another 50 away impactful test wickets will take his tally to 175 and that is far more valuable for any team than picking 100 easy wickets at home. Well, at home he is averaging 16 , but picking 50 more away wickets at low average will define his greatness far more than picking 50 more home wickets at similar average.

it will be nice to see him in 250-300 wickets brackets, but that's just cherry on top.


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Greatness in test format always has been how you do in den of opposition.

In entire history of test cricket, we have only 12 names who have picked up 125 plus wickets with sub 25 average.

Look at each name. Every single name is a great bowler and you won't find 2nd tier greats in that list becasue it's very hard to avearge below 25 and pick up lots of wickets. Steyn, Marchall, McGrath, Wasim, Ambrose, Donald, Hadlee..... What a list.


Another 50 away impactful test wickets will take his tally to 175 and that is far more valuable for any team than picking 100 easy wickets at home. Well, at home he is averaging 16 , but picking 50 more away wickets at low average will define his greatness far more than picking 50 more home wickets at similar average.

it will be nice to see him in 250-300 wickets brackets, but that's just cherry on top.


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That's your own preference (how one does in dens of oppositions). For others, greatness may get defined by many factors like total career wickets, bowling average, strike rate, number of 5-fers, how he did on unsupportive pitches etc.

Doing well in SENA countries is easy for Bumrah because those pitches tend to assist pacers. Even Rahat Ali has a 6-fer in South Africa.
 
Greatness in test format always has been how you do in den of opposition.

In entire history of test cricket, we have only 12 names who have picked up 125 plus wickets with sub 25 average.

Look at each name. Every single name is a great bowler and you won't find 2nd tier greats in that list becasue it's very hard to avearge below 25 and pick up lots of wickets. Steyn, Marchall, McGrath, Wasim, Ambrose, Donald, Hadlee..... What a list.


Another 50 away impactful test wickets will take his tally to 175 and that is far more valuable for any team than picking 100 easy wickets at home. Well, at home he is averaging 16 , but picking 50 more away wickets at low average will define his greatness far more than picking 50 more home wickets at similar average.

it will be nice to see him in 250-300 wickets brackets, but that's just cherry on top.


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Would say for Bumrah if is easier to get wickets away than at home considering the pitches

But then, this genius averages 16 at home. That too with likes of Ashwin , Jadeja abd Kuldeep competing.

Utter madness
 
That's your own preference (how one does in dens of oppositions). For others, greatness may get defined by many factors like total career wickets, bowling average, strike rate, number of 5-fers, how he did on unsupportive pitches etc.

Doing well in SENA countries is easy for Bumrah because those pitches tend to assist pacers. Even Rahat Ali has a 6-fer in South Africa.

Agreed. That's why we have 10 Asian pacers in this list below.

Difficult of picking wickets consitently vs one spell here and there by some bowler are totally different. Bumrah and Wasim are the only two bowlers with 100 plus wickets with sub 25 average in SENA. I dropped 100 to 50 and yet no third bowler appearred in the list. It's that hard.

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Would say for Bumrah if is easier to get wickets away than at home considering the pitches

But then, this genius averages 16 at home. That too with likes of Ashwin , Jadeja abd Kuldeep competing.

Utter madness
We are watching a genius and I have seen entire career of many ATG bowlers. Bumrah surely belongs in class of Marshall, Wasim, Steyn etc... it should be obvious to anyone who has watched test cricket seriously.

Anyone following test cricket seriously knows that you got to perform in oppositions den for greaness and not just in your backyard.
 
Bumrah may finish his career as an ATG but I find his bowling action quite creepy.

When I used to watch Wasim Akram, Dale Steyn, Curtley Ambrose etc. bowl, it used to feel poetic. Their bowling actions were smooth and pleasing to watch.

Bumrah's bowling action feels like he is getting chased by IRS. Kudos to him for making it work though. Not easy to succeed with that action.
 
Bumrah may finish his career as an ATG but I find his bowling action quite creepy.

When I used to watch Wasim Akram, Dale Steyn, Curtley Ambrose etc. bowl, it used to feel poetic. Their bowling actions were smooth and pleasing to watch.

Bumrah's bowling action feels like he is getting chased by IRS. Kudos to him for making it work though. Not easy to succeed with that action.
I can get feeling poetic about Akram and Steyn, but AMbrose? He was basically an android send to choke the life out of batsmen, the opposite of poetic.
 
Unless Bumrah finishes with 250-300 Test wickets, he shouldn't be considered as an ATG. Longevity matters too.

Even Chris Cairns has 218 Test wickets.

Bumrah has 159 Test wickets currently.
No offence, but this post reeks of prejudice.
 
No offence, but this post reeks of prejudice.

Not prejudiced. I just don't think a guy with 159 Test wickets is an ATG yet. Some are saying he is already an ATG.

He needs at least 100-150 more wickets to get to that point. Even Chris Cairns has 218 wickets and he was not even a full-time bowler (was a batting all-rounder).
 
Not prejudiced. I just don't think a guy with 159 Test wickets is an ATG yet. Some are saying he is already an ATG.

He needs at least 100-150 more wickets to get to that point. Even Chris Cairns has 218 wickets and he was not even a full-time bowler (was a batting all-rounder).
Why is the metric for ATG no of wickets and no of runs scored?

He's the best bowler in the world in the modern era, Plain and simple. That automatically qualifies him to be an atg, as 20 years down the line people, when you'll ask people who was the best bowler in the 2020-2030 era they'll say bumrah.
 
Donald had the action of my dreams. Silky yet lethal.

Akram was more of a cunning hustler, hiding what he had in store with an unassuming run up and then delivering totally unpredictable stuff.

Ambrose was basically a firestorm from the sky sort of action. Like Thor who summoned lightning he summoned those neck crackers from a length all the way from 9 foot plus elevation.

Bumrah is the classic unassuming Indian genius who gets underrated or ignored by everyone till he starts talking and basically wows everyone. There was an old Fevicol ad featuring a posh guy and a villager. I am reminded of that villager when I see Bumrah.
 
Best action to bowl fast are definitely Shoaib and Bret lee, somewhat similar.
 
Which modern player would get more 200 test wickets.... Rarely would anyone achieve that.
Why, because IPL and other leagues wouldn't allow so much time for Tests.

But does that mean, Amazing modern bowlers like Bumrah are any less.
No.

I would even argue that Bumrah is bowling
in the toughest era for bowling where

your every ball is analyzed and tagged,
but where ball rarely reverse swings due to 2 new ball system.
And the batsman have developed 360 shots.

My point is: No wickets criteria can be applied on modern bowlers as they would never play enough games.

The Only criteria should be overall impact across formats with combined strike rate and average.

That is the only fair attributes on which cross era comparisons can be done.
 
Former Pakistan captain Ramiz Raja has hailed India's pacer Jasprit Bumrah, on his YouTube channel he said:

"In my book, Jasprit Bumrah is a legend in all three formats. There is no one greater who has played all three formats. (To aap dekh rahe hai, ek ladka kaha se utha hai, usme confidence nahi tha, uska awkward bowling action hai) So you can see, where this boy came from, he lacked confidence, had an awkward bowling action,"

"He was unfit, but he came back, and now he has made India win the World Cup,"
 
Former Pakistan captain Ramiz Raja has hailed India's pacer Jasprit Bumrah, on his YouTube channel he said:

"In my book, Jasprit Bumrah is a legend in all three formats. There is no one greater who has played all three formats. (To aap dekh rahe hai, ek ladka kaha se utha hai, usme confidence nahi tha, uska awkward bowling action hai) So you can see, where this boy came from, he lacked confidence, had an awkward bowling action,"

"He was unfit, but he came back, and now he has made India win the World Cup,"
Already legend? No! Despite his out of the world performance, the number of wickets he has taken so far in each of the 3 formats doesn't warrant him being a legend.

On his way to becoming a legend? Yes!​
 
Already legend? No! Despite his out of the world performance, the number of wickets he has taken so far in each of the 3 formats doesn't warrant him being a legend.

On his way to becoming a legend? Yes!​
If India manage him well, he will end up with 250-300 Test wickets. No need to play him in T20Is and ODIs other than the WC, CT and possibly Asia Cup. He can skip all the other white ball cricket. This will give him time to concentrate on Tests. IPL is a big issue but again we cannot expect him to miss that. If it was up to me, I would pay him money to skip it as well.
 
If India manage him well, he will end up with 250-300 Test wickets. No need to play him in T20Is and ODIs other than the WC, CT and possibly Asia Cup. He can skip all the other white ball cricket. This will give him time to concentrate on Tests. IPL is a big issue but again we cannot expect him to miss that. If it was up to me, I would pay him money to skip it as well.
I desperately want to see him end with at least 350 Test wickets. Hard, but certainly not impossible.
 
I think Bumrah will be an ATG with 200+ Test wickets @22. But let's say he ends with 240-250 wickets @22 and his away performance remains great, can he be mentioned alongwith the likes of Marshall(376 wickets), Hadlee(431 wickets), Steyn( 400+), Wasim(400+), Ambrose(400+) and Imran(362)?
 
50 years later, will anyone care what a specific bowler did with a particular spell? There are probably thousands of good spells like this. People are likely to remember the wicket count.

Anderson - 700+ wickets
Wasim - 400+ wickets
McGrath - 563 wickets
Walsh - 519 wickets
Steyn - 400+ wickets

200-250 Test wickets is unlikely to cut it.

Going by your logic Bradman should be a forgotten figure.

Ironically from your list alone, half the bowlers mentioned are very much forgotten.

Cricket fans are smart and definitely bring stuff like strike rates, economy, winning ratio etc into the debate.

Bumrah at least for now has the record that puts him top 5 all time and all the cricket experts acknowledge that which is why all this appreciation for him.
 
Going by your logic Bradman should be a forgotten figure.

Ironically from your list alone, half the bowlers mentioned are very much forgotten.

Cricket fans are smart and definitely bring stuff like strike rates, economy, winning ratio etc into the debate.

Bumrah at least for now has the record that puts him top 5 all time and all the cricket experts acknowledge that which is why all this appreciation for him.

Bradman averages almost 100. That's out of this world.

I think many different aspects need to be considered for ATG considerations.
 
Already legend? No! Despite his out of the world performance, the number of wickets he has taken so far in each of the 3 formats doesn't warrant him being a legend.

On his way to becoming a legend? Yes!​
He already has more number of test wickets vs the top 3 - Eng, SA and Aus than any other Pak pace bowler - in history !!! If that is not legendary, I dont know what is.
 
That's your own preference (how one does in dens of oppositions). For others, greatness may get defined by many factors like total career wickets, bowling average, strike rate, number of 5-fers, how he did on unsupportive pitches etc.

Doing well in SENA countries is easy for Bumrah because those pitches tend to assist pacers. Even Rahat Ali has a 6-fer in South Africa.
That is not true at all. For subcontinent players to do well in SENA, it is not given. When I look at other bowlers from Asia in these countries like Shaheen, 11 Tests for 33 wickets at 38.54 with 0 fifers. Having one 5 wicket haul means nothing. since 2016 (year of Bumrah's debut), no bowler has that sort of success in SENA. Aamer Jamal is the only one coming close but he has only played 3 Tests. The best Pakistan bowler in that period to have at least played 10 Tests is Aamir with an average of 33. Best SL bowler is Lakmal with an average of 33. No BD bowler has played 10 Tests in these countries and only one bowler has played 6 Tests and he averages 48. So your logic of getting wickets and averaging less is easier in SENA doesn't make any sense. If that was the case every bowler bowling in those countries should average at least under 30 which is not the case.

Also Rahat Ali taking 6 wickets in SA does not prove anything. Even Agarkar has a 6fer in Australia, doesn't mean we use him to demean great bowlers stating that even Agarkar has a fifer so should be easy. Rahat Ali overall has an average of 39 in Tests, so his 6fer does not mean anything.
 
People denying Bumrah's greatness are just sore grapes.

If you make an All time XI across all formats. Bumrah will feature in most of the selections.
 
Former Australian fast bowler Brett Lee has praised Jasprit Bumrah, stating that he would be regarded as a great in any era of the game, while talking to a local Indian channel:

“The best is yet to come. He's like Benjamin Button getting age.”

“Definitely in any era mate because you have to go on the person's style, you have to go on what they bring to the table.”

“Someone like a Jasprit Bumrah can shape the new ball. He's got good pace, he's still quick and he can bow that line length in Test match cricket. But then you throw in the white ball, he can open the bowling but then if you're trying to close out in death overs, you got guys chasing 12-13 an over at the end in T20 cricket and he bowls a stunning yorker. It's almost impossible to play him. So, he is world class in any era. I've really enjoyed watching his career unfold. I've had the pleasure to work and commentate and broadcast on a lot of his overs.”
 
Unless Bumrah finishes with 250-300 Test wickets, he shouldn't be considered as an ATG. Longevity matters too.

Even Chris Cairns has 218 Test wickets.

Bumrah has 159 Test wickets currently.

This holds true but only in the era of 1 or 2 formats.

Today we have three formats plus leagues.

And Bumrah bosses all the three formats.
 
Bradman averages almost 100. That's out of this world.

I think many different aspects need to be considered for ATG considerations.

Bradman played in 2 countries. Nothing in the SC. It's not comparable to what cricket became post 1960s.
 
That's your own preference (how one does in dens of oppositions). For others, greatness may get defined by many factors like total career wickets, bowling average, strike rate, number of 5-fers, how he did on unsupportive pitches etc.

Doing well in SENA countries is easy for Bumrah because those pitches tend to assist pacers. Even Rahat Ali has a 6-fer in South Africa.
Are you even aware that Bumrah averages 16 in tests he has played in India? Cricket dekha
Agreed. That's why we have 10 Asian pacers in this list below.

Difficult of picking wickets consitently vs one spell here and there by some bowler are totally different. Bumrah and Wasim are the only two bowlers with 100 plus wickets with sub 25 average in SENA. I dropped 100 to 50 and yet no third bowler appearred in the list. It's that hard.

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He averages 16 in India but he needs to perform in Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.
 
Best fast bowler in the world definitely, his performance in this T20 WC will be remembered for atleast half a century
 
he was banned 2 times in indian domestics for chucking... yes

Jasprit Bumrah is the best Chucker in the world right now​

 
he was banned 2 times in indian domestics for chucking... yes

Jasprit Bumrah is the best Chucker in the world right now​

Can u show the articles about him getting banned. Don't u think Aussies ,Eng will leave him alone if he was banned earlier leaving generous pak fans aside
 
Can u show the articles about him getting banned. Don't u think Aussies ,Eng will leave him alone if he was banned earlier leaving generous pak fans aside
here is interview ..he was banned twice by indian umpires ..later bcci hleped him to get back

Video title on Youtube "Is Bumrah Got banned due to his bowling action?"

Bumrah barely runs in when delivering the ball, has the silliest action and then somehow delivers a rocket. People think he can do that just because his arm has hyperextension??? Give me a break...chucker .. anyone can win worldcups by cheating
 
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here is interview ..he was banned twice by indian umpires ..later bcci hleped him to get back

Video title on Youtube "Is Bumrah Got banned due to his bowling action?"

Bumrah barely runs in when delivering the ball, has the silliest action and then somehow delivers a rocket.
That guy said bumrah was almost got banned due to his hyper extension by a confused local umpire who don't know about it for the first time in first class (which is quite fair for a local umpire standard). As per his captain parthiv patel explanation of akthars example, umpire was satisfied. There are multiple videos with xray scans of each and every bone of his bowling action as presented by sky and fox videos. Aussies must have happily thrown him out for losing 2 series down under.
 
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You say how you perform on non helpful pitches matter. Bunrah averages under 20 in India where zero pitches are conducive to fast bowling.

Also he doesn't have the opportunity to bully Pakistan. He doesn't even play minnows like bangladesh. He choose not to.

He just mutilated England recently in tests when they were at their marauding best at full peak confidence from their bazzball approach.
 
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You say how you perform on non helpful pitches matter. Bunrah averages under 20 in India where zero pitches are conducive to fast bowling.

Also he doesn't have the opportunity to bully Pakistan. He doesn't even play minnows like bangladesh. He choose not to.

He just mutilated England recently in tests when they were at their marauding best at full peak confidence from their bazzball approach.

Bumrah should play against "minnows" like Bangladesh and bump up that wicket count. As of now, he is way behind Chris Cairns and Matthew Hoggard in terms of total wickets.

It would be funny if "ATG" Bumrah can't even surpass Hoggard.

I believe Bumrah should finish as an ATG but he is not there yet. Not with 159 Test wickets.
 
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Bumrah should play against "minnows" like Bangladesh and bump up that wicket count. As of now, he is way behind Chris Cairns and Matthew Hoggard in terms of total wickets.

It would be funny if "ATG" Bumrah can't even surpass Hoggard.
Almost like he's played far less tests than them. Ever heard of things known as average and strike rate
 
Let me record his current bowling figures here
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Tests: 159. Ave: 20.69. |
ODI: 149. Ave: 23.55
T20I: 89 Ave: 17.74

Absolutely unreal.
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IPL: 165 wickets @22.51

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I would like to visit this thread 5 years later to see if he would be able to maintain these unreal numbers.
 
India all time XI now has a formidable bowling attack( both pace and spin).

Jasprit Bumrah
Kapil Dev
Mohammad Shami
Ravichandran Ashwin
Anil Kumble
Ravindra Jadeja

These 6 alongwith either Zak or Srinath will make the best 15-man Indian squad.
 
India all time XI now has a formidable bowling attack( both pace and spin).



These 6 alongwith either Zak or Srinath will make the best 15-man Indian squad.
I will add kd in place of kumble.kd can be threat anywhere kumble was not impactful in sena as much as in india
 
If we talk about right now, Yes Bumrah is the best all format bowler in the world. ATG?? Not yet I believe. There are many factors that make you an ATG and Bumrah is yet to cross them.
 
Bumrah should play against "minnows" like Bangladesh and bump up that wicket count. As of now, he is way behind Chris Cairns and Matthew Hoggard in terms of total wickets.

It would be funny if "ATG" Bumrah can't even surpass Hoggard.

I believe Bumrah should finish as an ATG but he is not there yet. Not with 159 Test wickets.
So? Break down many of the atgs and they all padded their record vs weak teams too

Bumrah actually pads the least out of all current players. He barely ever plays against minnows.

Btw based on what you are saying kumble would be greater than Marshall and Ambrose if you go by wickets alone.
 
India all time XI now has a formidable bowling attack( both pace and spin).

Jasprit Bumrah
Kapil Dev
Mohammad Shami
Ravichandran Ashwin
Anil Kumble
Ravindra Jadeja

These 6 alongwith either Zak or Srinath will make the best 15-man Indian squad.
Will have mayank in the future as well.
 
Let me record his current bowling figures here
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Tests: 159. Ave: 20.69. |
ODI: 149. Ave: 23.55
T20I: 89 Ave: 17.74

Absolutely unreal.
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IPL: 165 wickets @22.51

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I would like to visit this thread 5 years later to see if he would be able to maintain these unreal numbers.
His odi record could improve a bit. He could get it down to 22 I reckon but odi is awful format for all bowlers. Cummins rabada all average over 27
 
India all time XI now has a formidable bowling attack( both pace and spin).

Jasprit Bumrah
Kapil Dev
Mohammad Shami
Ravichandran Ashwin
Anil Kumble
Ravindra Jadeja

These 6 alongwith either Zak or Srinath will make the best 15-man Indian squad.
Will have Zaheer or Srinath ahead of Shami in the XI. Srinath missed quite a few tests in his prime due to BCCI being adamant for Kapil to go past Hadlee.
 
Did Shane bond help his team win multiple tests in Eng, Aus and Sa like Bumrah has
Btw wasim played about 35 tests in sena

Bumrah already has 28

Pretty sure Waqar only played 30 as well.

So he doesn't even need to play much longer in sena.

Imo bumrah already is better than steyn
 
Will have Zaheer or Srinath ahead of Shami in the XI. Srinath missed quite a few tests in his prime due to BCCI being adamant for Kapil to go past Hadlee.

Zaheer is several rungs lower than both Srinath and Shami. If Shami features in the tour to AUS/ENG in the next 12 months and does well, he goes ahead of Srinath but for now not much to separate the two. Zaheer is a vastly overrated. His home record is hideous and not a lot to impress in his record elsewhere either. He just sparkled for a season or two in his career.
 
If we are assembling pace bowling component of Indian ATG XI then Bumrah is the obvious outlier. Kapil gets in because of his immense record, proven AR role, and fielding. That Kapil averaged what he did when India had Ghavri and Madan lal and Binny opening the bowling from other end is a credit to his skill and heart. Shami/Srinath to be the 3rd quick and both are about the same level but Shami has a chance to pull away over the next 12 months.
 
Will have Zaheer or Srinath ahead of Shami in the XI. Srinath missed quite a few tests in his prime due to BCCI being adamant for Kapil to go past Hadlee.
Unfortunately, I started following the game in the fag end of Kapil's career. Was a big hero for all of us kids back then.
 
When comparing Bumrah to past greats one needs to see that Bumrah plays 3 formats. Past greats played one or max 2 formats. Bumrahs record is exceptional in all 3 formats.

Who else is comparable to Bumrah in the three format era?

Talking about the 2 formats era,

Wasim and McGrath are the only ones that come to mind who have brilliant records in both formats and in ICC events as well.

Other than these two,

Allan Donald, Waqar Younis and Curtly Ambrose have very good record in both formats. But their ICC tournament records isn't exceptional.
 
Unfortunately, I started following the game in the fag end of Kapil's career. Was a big hero for all of us kids back then.
Make no mistake, Kapil is still a hero for what he did for Indian cricket. But that was poor to go for Hadlee's record
 
When comparing Bumrah to past greats one needs to see that Bumrah plays 3 formats. Past greats played one or max 2 formats. Bumrahs record is exceptional in all 3 formats.

Who else is comparable to Bumrah in the three format era?

Talking about the 2 formats era,

Wasim and McGrath are the only ones that come to mind who have brilliant records in both formats and in ICC events as well.

Other than these two,

Allan Donald, Waqar Younis and Curtly Ambrose have very good record in both formats. But their ICC tournament records isn't exceptional.
Bumrah is a better bowler than wasim. Wasim Said so himself and he isn't disingenuous.

However wasim is the greater bowler if that makes sense.

If bumrah can win a series in SA and/or England and a wtc then yes he moves ahead of wasim.
 
Bumrah as of now is probably the best quick bowler over the last 7 years. If he wants to stamp his all time great status he needs to retire with 250 plus wickets
 
He obviously means Kuldeep but it's difficult to even consider him as one of the greats unless he achieves a lot more. Recency bias I would guess
I agree. Long way to go. If he performs in Australia, away in England then yea maybe. We will see.
 
Sry kuldeep for sena conditions as kumble never impacted much except last tours in aus ,eng .

Honestly, Kuldeep is more likely to do better in SENA than any of the current bowlers but can't pick him unless he plays decent enough tests.

Kumble did better than Ashwin in SENA in my opinion. Kumble did well in South Africa in first tour too.
 
When comparing Bumrah to past greats one needs to see that Bumrah plays 3 formats. Past greats played one or max 2 formats. Bumrahs record is exceptional in all 3 formats.

Who else is comparable to Bumrah in the three format era?

Talking about the 2 formats era,

Wasim and McGrath are the only ones that come to mind who have brilliant records in both formats and in ICC events as well.

Other than these two,

Allan Donald, Waqar Younis and Curtly Ambrose have very good record in both formats. But their ICC tournament records isn't exceptional.

Hadlee and Garner also up there.
 
Kumble did better than Ashwin in SENA in my opinion. Kumble did well in South Africa in first tour too.
Kumble needs good supporting cast in sena where he can't be the enforcer unlike Kuldeep. As its Atg eleven ,we should have enforcers everywhere or players as per conditions.
 
This generation cricketers are future role models especially t20 format being main bread winner and test matches still relevant this is the time we may see three to four all time greats... Bumrah if he continues for another five years with similar results will definitely one among them..
 
Bumrah should play against "minnows" like Bangladesh and bump up that wicket count. As of now, he is way behind Chris Cairns and Matthew Hoggard in terms of total wickets.

It would be funny if "ATG" Bumrah can't even surpass Hoggard.

I believe Bumrah should finish as an ATG but he is not there yet. Not with 159 Test wickets.
Quality over quantity, any time.
Perspective matters.
Context matters.
Total wickets should be the criteria and not version of the game.
 
Greatness in test format always has been how you do in den of opposition.

In entire history of test cricket, we have only 12 names who have picked up 125 plus wickets with sub 25 average.

Look at each name. Every single name is a great bowler and you won't find 2nd tier greats in that list becasue it's very hard to avearge below 25 and pick up lots of wickets. Steyn, Marchall, McGrath, Wasim, Ambrose, Donald, Hadlee..... What a list.


Another 50 away impactful test wickets will take his tally to 175 and that is far more valuable for any team than picking 100 easy wickets at home. Well, at home he is averaging 16 , but picking 50 more away wickets at low average will define his greatness far more than picking 50 more home wickets at similar average.

it will be nice to see him in 250-300 wickets brackets, but that's just cherry on top.


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Jimmy Anderson not in the list! 😉
 
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