[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Jasprit Bumrah is the best fast-bowler in the world right now

[SpiritOf1903]

Seems like yesterday he burst on to the scene with his unorthodox action.

Now the premier fast bowler in World Cricket.

 

[Mahee]

Greatest fast bowler in the history of cricket

 

[Savak]

The man can help India win even if his batters only put up 100 runs on the board. Such is quality and psychological hold on the opposition.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The man can help India win even if his batters only put up 100 runs on the board. Such is quality and psychological hold on the opposition.

ATG teams had world class bowlers/world class batsmen/world class fielders.Right now India just has world class bowlers. Worst batting line up. Average fielding unit.

 

[kron]

ATG teams had world class bowlers/world class batsmen/world class fielders.Right now India just has world class bowlers. Worst batting line up. Average fielding unit.

He clearly held back vs nz. Not surprised. But I do still want him to show up vs nz away when we tour next time. I understand most ATGs can have one a nation or 2 whom they struggle against but I still expect him to raise his game. Show more intensity. I feel like he really preserves himself vs nz. Never bowled with fire in that tests series vs nz back in India last time.

 

[kron]

All that's great but what happens against New Zealand batsman? Surely they are not getting troubled with that action.

He was holding back vs them last series. Bowlers lot slower. He seems to be not as good with sg ball when it comes to swinging with the new ball also.

 

[kron]

Said it before and will say it again, I don't consider anything he does as legit until and unless he has been tested and cleared.

Before anyone brings up the fact that umpires have never reported him, I would use the same argument where 99 out of 100 commentators,, players and ex players praise Indian cricket to the hilt.... Its all about the money and the chance to double or triple their net worth.

Yea he is chucking.
Bcci has told icc to make it an exception. To entertain fans.

Just like they did with shoaib in the past.

 

[Buffet]

Ind are not going to score more than 150 to 175 again, let them have some good lead and aus have a good target to achieve rather than paltry ones. If India wins, aus will never go for first test at perth.

It will be a dissapointing result for Aus. Going first in Perth was intentional to get easy win. Aus bowlers did their job. Batsmen need to step up. I mean playing at home and India has just Bumrah. Got to survive and score against others.

 

[Buffet]

Seems like yesterday he burst on to the scene with his unorthodox action.

Now the premier fast bowler in World Cricket.

He debuted in 2018 in test. Took 5-fers in SA, Aus and Eng. Helped India win test series in Aus first time. Helped his team win tests in Eng and SA. That was his first year in test with 48 test wickets in all away matches.

I don't recall anyone starting like that in his first year of test cricket specially playing all away games agaisnt good teams. By the end of 2018, he was the primium fast bowler in world cricket because he was already doing very well in shorter formats and did extremely well in first away series in so many places. Normally it takes bowlers few series to do well.

That was 7 years ago. I think his injury made it feel like he started playing recently and became a premier fast bowler.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

He debuted in 2018 in test. Took 5-fers in SA, Aus and Eng. Helped India win test series in Aus first time. Helped his team win tests in Eng and SA. That was his first year in test with 48 test wickets in all away matches.

I don't recall anyone starting like that in his first year of test cricket specially playing all away games agaisnt good teams. By the end of 2018, he was the primium fast bowler in world cricket because he was already doing very well in shorter formats and did extremely well in first away series in so many places. Normally it takes bowlers few series to do well.

That was 7 years ago. I think his injury made it feel like he started playing recently and became a premier fast bowler.

Initially nobody could pick up his action, then injuries and he's come back even stronger

 

[Vikram1989]

It will be a dissapointing result for Aus. Going first in Perth was intentional to get easy win. Aus bowlers did their job. Batsmen need to step up. I mean playing at home and India has just Bumrah. Got to survive and score against others.

Its akin to India's result against nz on spin tracks.Aus went with age old belief than the present situation. Aus have similar issues to india with ageing superstar's and inconsistent performance. They should have gone for batting pitches hoping khawaja,head and Carey can take care.At the end if ind wins this match somehow,this may be the only bright spot for next 9 tests I believe(next 4 in bgt and 5 in eng)

 

[Buffet]

The man can help India win even if his batters only put up 100 runs on the board. Such is quality and psychological hold on the opposition.

Nah, not likely to happen. You need great bowling unit and not just one great bowler.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nah, not likely to happen. You need great bowling unit and not just one great bowler.

They had. Ishant/Shami as partners in crime. Each offered something different.

 

[Buffet]

Initially nobody could pick up his action, then injuries and he's come back even stronger

He releases the ball late, much later than others and that makes it hard for batsmen. Ball comes faster at you. I don't think it's easy to face when ball comes fast at you, moves both ways and he has dangeours bouncers as well. All that without change in action. It will be harder to pick up.

Anyway, good to see his comeback after injuries. Aus batsmen need to step up. Yah, it's hard but India has just one great bowler and Aus has 3-4.

Aus should try to win 3-4 tests. For a proud cricket nation , it's just too much to keep losing home and away both against the same team 4-5 series in a row.

 

[Buffet]

They had. Ishant/Shami as partners in crime. Each offered something different.

Yes, that was great bowling unit and that's why India won so many tests away with them. One grear bowler can win tests here and there but it's hard to win many away tests without good bowling unit.

What happened to Shami? Retired or or injured? At least two good and one decent can still work but just one good bowler won't work often even if the bowler is Bumrah.

 

[kron]

Nah, not likely to happen. You need great bowling unit and not just one great bowler.

They had it before with shami ishan umesh etc

Now rebuilding

Rana is 22. He is a very good bowler. He will come good.

Shami will be back but he is 33. But in real life probz 37.

Prasidh kuldeep Sen. Plenty more to come
Harshit prasidh and kuldeep all have nasty bumpers too.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes, that was great bowling unit and that's why India won so many tests away with them. One grear bowler can win tests here and there but it's hard to win many away tests without good bowling unit.

What happened to Shami? Retired or or injured? At least two good and one decent can still work but just one good bowler won't work often even if the bowler is Bumrah.

He had a surgery. Likely to join the team in the backend

 

[Bhaijaan]

11th five wicket haul for GOAT

17/5

 

[Ab Fan]

Annoying last wicket partnership

 

[BouncerGuy]

Most Test Wickets in Australia by Asian bowlers

Kapil Dev - 51 wickets
Sarfraz Nawaz - 50 wickets
Anil Kumble - 49 wickets
Imran Khan - 45 wickets
Ravichandran Ashwin - 39 wickets
Jasprit Bumrah - 37 wickets
Wasim Akram - 36 wickets

 

[Hikaru]

No real interest in Cricket for years, watch it only for Bumrah spells. For me, there's no question about him being the best in business.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Once a chucker, always a chucker.

 

[mb3407]

Once a chucker, always a chucker.

Akhtar?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Akhtar?

Yep. Akhtar, lee murli, hsrbahjan, Ajmal bumrah. All chuckers

 

[mb3407]

Yep. Akhtar, lee murli, hsrbahjan, Ajmal bumrah. All chuckers

You're free to have your opinion.

But the majority and significant part doesn't share the same opinion

 

[cricketjoshila]

Once a cry baby always a cry baby.

 

[kron]

Yep. Akhtar, lee murli, hsrbahjan, Ajmal bumrah. All chuckers

Akthar Lee and bumrah are not chuckers. Rest yes.

 

[Hawkeye]

Best bowler in the world.

What a performance.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yes, that was great bowling unit and that's why India won so many tests away with them. One grear bowler can win tests here and there but it's hard to win many away tests without good bowling unit.

What happened to Shami? Retired or or injured? At least two good and one decent can still work but just one good bowler won't work often even if the bowler is Bumrah.

Pakistan gave a scare to Aussies last year with zero great bowlers.

India has Bumrah who is a certified ATG, then they have Siraj who is a good support bowler and did well in Aus last time, Harshit Rana is a very good prospect.

There is no way to tell whether Siraj and Rana will/won't become world class test bowlers in the future, so comparing a young bowling attack to experienced once doesn't make sense here and won't give us the real answer.

Shami was injured but he is back in domestics, BCCI will probably send him to Aus after the first two tests.

We have some good talented bowlers in the squad, Akashdeep and Prasidh are tall hit the deck bowlers who are tailor made for Aussie conditions. All in all, I dont think that we lack firepower with the ball, our reserve pacers are not just young 22 year olds, they have played many first class and A games.

 

[kron]

Pakistan gave a scare to Aussies last year with zero great bowlers.

India has Bumrah who is a certified ATG, then they have Siraj who is a good support bowler and did well in Aus last time, Harshit Rana is a very good prospect.

There is no way to tell whether Siraj and Rana will/won't become world class test bowlers in the future, so comparing a young bowling attack to experienced once doesn't make sense here and won't give us the real answer.

Shami was injured but he is back in domestics, BCCI will probably send him to Aus after the first two tests.

We have some good talented bowlers in the squad, Akashdeep and Prasidh are tall hit the deck bowlers who are tailor made for Aussie conditions. All in all, I dont think that we lack firepower with the ball, our reserve pacers are not just young 22 year olds, they have played many first class and A games.

What we lack is a bhuvi ishant type swing bowler.

That's what we need for nz and England. And even SA

Cause remember even philtrundler was successful in SEN.

 

[jnaveen1980]

What we lack is a bhuvi ishant type swing bowler.

That's what we need for nz and England. And even SA

Cause remember even philtrundler was successful in SEN.

Shardul last time swung the ball both ways. Part of the reason he was successful in SA, England to some extent. He could swing the ball at 135.

 

[mb3407]

What we lack is a bhuvi ishant type swing bowler.

That's what we need for nz and England. And even SA

Cause remember even philtrundler was successful in SEN.

Can anyone of Reddy, Rana or Akash Deep become that?

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan gave a scare to Aussies last year with zero great bowlers.

India has Bumrah who is a certified ATG, then they have Siraj who is a good support bowler and did well in Aus last time, Harshit Rana is a very good prospect.

There is no way to tell whether Siraj and Rana will/won't become world class test bowlers in the future, so comparing a young bowling attack to experienced once doesn't make sense here and won't give us the real answer.

Shami was injured but he is back in domestics, BCCI will probably send him to Aus after the first two tests.

We have some good talented bowlers in the squad, Akashdeep and Prasidh are tall hit the deck bowlers who are tailor made for Aussie conditions. All in all, I dont think that we lack firepower with the ball, our reserve pacers are not just young 22 year olds, they have played many first class and A games.

Huge difference between giving scare due to one bowler vs actually winning a long series. Yes, Bumrah is certified ATG bowler but Hadlee was also certified ATG bowler with just 7 away wins in entire career due to lack of support.

Point noted about Indian support bowlers being good/decent but let's wait and see how well they develop.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Huge difference between giving scare due to one bowler vs actually winning a long series. Yes, Bumrah is certified ATG bowler but Hadlee was also certified ATG bowler with just 7 away wins in entire career due to lack of support.

Point noted about Indian support bowlers being good/decent but let's wait and see how well they develop.

You need the right mix of bowlers. All round bowlers. Reverse swing bowlers, conventional swing bowlers, Hit the deck bowlers, if possible left arm swing bowler. With Ishant and Shami India covered almost all the bases. Thakur briefly provided support as a swing bowler. Umesh/Shami reverse exponents and also shami is an outstanding seam bowler. Bumrah is a bit of everything. Ishant miserly, could swing, extract natural bounce.

 

[Buffet]

You need the right mix of bowlers. All round bowlers. Reverse swing bowlers, conventional swing bowlers, Hit the deck bowlers, if possible left arm swing bowler. With Ishant and Shami India covered almost all the bases. Thakur briefly provided support as a swing bowler. Umesh/Shami reverse exponents and also shami is an outstanding seam bowler. Bumrah is a bit of everything. Ishant miserly, could swing, extract natural bounce.

Yah, many fans don't realize how rare it's to have that variety and then two great spinners in same side who could actually bat. Home domination and even two series wins in Aus had contribution from Ashwin, Jadeja in batting and bowling both.

India ordinary batting line up was carried by ATG bowling unit plus lower orders batsmen ( Ashwin, Jadeja, Pant etc ).

Anyway, new era and new cycle. I am liking the fact the visitors are not simply folding and doing well. Good for test cricket. Just winning at home and folding easily away is very boring.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yah, many fans don't realize how rare it's to have that variety and then two great spinners in same side who could actually bat. Home domination and even two series wins in Aus had contribution from Ashwin, Jadeja in batting and bowling both.

India ordinary batting line up was carried by ATG bowling unit plus lower orders batsmen ( Ashwin, Jadeja, Pant etc ).

Anyway, new era and new cycle. I am liking the fact the visitors are not simply folding and doing well. Good for test cricket. Just winning at home and folding easily away is very boring.

England won 2005 series with this variety

Flintoff - Heavy ball, pace bowler
Hoggard - swing bowler
Harmison - Hit the deck bowler
Simon Jones - reverse swing exponent.

When you assemble a bowling unit you have to be mindful of this. Ofcourse they have to be good at what they are doing. Cannot randomly assemble.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

What we lack is a bhuvi ishant type swing bowler.

That's what we need for nz and England. And even SA

Cause remember even philtrundler was successful in SEN.

Philander has an amazing record in Australia too, he is underrated.

 

[Mohraheem]

Great come back! Witnessing legacy ….

 

[Mohraheem]

Pakistani bowlers should learn something rather Thn taking advices from Failure like Misbah

 

[kron]

Shardul last time swung the ball both ways. Part of the reason he was successful in SA, England to some extent. He could swing the ball at 135.

Exactly when he was fit.

Bumrah as good as he is, he is definitely not suited for nz conditions. He cannot swing the new ball. Hence he struggles most vs nz in swing friendly conditions.

He is still dangerous in SA cause it's bouncy. Nz has lesser bounce but much more conducive conditions for swing bowling.

In England he is still great with the dukes but again he kills them with the old ball. Not new dukes ball.

 

[kron]

Can anyone of Reddy, Rana or Akash Deep become that?

All hit the deck tbh. But harshit will be good in sena overall. Kuldeep Sen would be good in sena too.

For pure swinger unfortunately I don't see anyone at the moment.

Maybe himanshu chauhan.

 

[kron]

Philander has an amazing record in Australia too, he is underrated.

About 29 no? He did pretty good. In aus

But he was supported by? Steyn and morkel.

Just like before when we were super dangerous as the combo of bumrah shami ishant and umesh were deadly.

 

[cogent]

Would have gotten atleast 6fer had Pant not dropped a simple catch on Day2.

Kohli also dropped a catch off Bumrah on Day 1 in the slips

 

[Ab Fan]

A short phase and 2.2 overs spell but enough for Bumrah to blow out the top order.

180 test wickets now!

 

[Bhaijaan]

A short phase and 2.2 overs spell but enough for Bumrah to blow out the top order.

180 test wickets now!

Hopefully 200 test wickets by the end of the series.

 

[uppercut]

That bowling avg has finally gone below 20 !!! It stands at 19.94 right now .... What a Bowler !!

 

[BouncerGuy]

Legendary number for him. 2 wickets in no time today as well

 

[Josh]

With these numbers already an ATG. 180 test wickets at 19.11 in the modern era without any external ball work.

 

[mb3407]

With these numbers already an ATG. 180 test wickets at 19.11 in the modern era without any external ball work.

More wickets than Shoaib already

 

[Bhaijaan]

That bowling avg has finally gone below 20 !!! It stands at 19.94 right now .... What a Bowler !!

Greatest ever.

Let’s be real. Bumrah averages 15 something in the 1970s, 1980s and Malcolm Marshal is constantly asked about how he feels about being talked about in the same sentence as Bumrah.

 

[uppercut]

Greatest ever.

Let’s be real. Bumrah averages 15 something in the 1970s, 1980s and Malcolm Marshal is constantly asked about how he feels about being talked about in the same sentence as Bumrah.

I think you meant someone else ... Marshall passed away a long time ago.

 

[Josh]

I think you meant someone else ... Marshall passed away a long time ago.

He's imagined a scenarios occuring in the 80s

 

[kron]

With these numbers already an ATG. 180 test wickets at 19.11 in the modern era without any external ball work.

Only one flaw. Needs to improve average vs nz.

He will next time he tours there I feel. He just can't swing the new ball into nz lefties for some reason

 

[Buffet]

180 test wickets - Avg 19.94 - SR 43

A champion bowler.

 

[Buffet]

Last 50 years of test cricket. Greatness in test is always how you step up away from home. Home track bullies are important but they are dime and dozen.

Away performance sorted by SR for all Pacers

 

[Buffet]

Away performance for all pacers sorted by Avg

 

[mb3407]

Away performance for all pacers sorted by Avg

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Intresting! Waqar seems quite overrated. I thought he may be averaging 22-24

 

[Buffet]

Aus actually bowled well, Bumrah is simply outbowling Aus great pace unit. He is making batsmen play most deliveries and that becomes hard for batsmen when they are starting.

 

[Buffet]

Intresting! Waqar seems quite overrated. I thought he may be averaging 22-24

He is rated correctly as one of the legends. Loved watching him for 3-4 years in early 90s.

He was far more dependent on one trick which worked mostly at home for him. Even at home during his peak, good batting sides countered him well. Till 1994 - 7 tests at home against Ind/Aus/WI avg of 25 and same time 9 tests against NZ/SL/Zim Avg 13. That was in his peak and then we went downhill.

Anyway, his career record against non-minnows( excluding BD/Zim) is avg of 25+ and it reflects his ability. But career avg of 25-26 against non-minnows is very very good.

Given his limitations, away avg of 27-28 is good against non-minnows. One of the legends of cricket and everyone does not have to be top tier great to be rated.

 

[mb3407]

He is rated correctly as one of the legends. Loved watching him for 3-4 years in early 90s.

He was far more dependent on one trick which worked mostly at home for him. Even at home during his peak, good batting sides countered him well. Till 1994 - 7 tests at home against Ind/Aus/WI avg of 25 and same time 9 tests against NZ/SL/Zim Avg 13. That was in his peak and then we went downhill.

Anyway, his career record against non-minnows( excluding BD/Zim) is avg of 25+ and it reflects his ability. But career avg of 25-26 against non-minnows is very very good.

Given his limitations, away avg of 27-28 is good against non-minnows. One of the legends of cricket and everyone does not have to be top tier great to be rated.

Okk. I didn't start watching cricket until after his retirement so I had no idea. Only heard about him being one of the two Ws of pak

 

[Buffet]

He is rated correctly as one of the legends. Loved watching him for 3-4 years in early 90s.

He was far more dependent on one trick which worked mostly at home for him. Even at home during his peak, good batting sides countered him well. Till 1994 - 7 tests at home against Ind/Aus/WI avg of 25 and same time 9 tests against NZ/SL/Zim Avg 13. That was in his peak and then we went downhill.

Anyway, his career record against non-minnows( excluding BD/Zim) is avg of 25+ and it reflects his ability. But career avg of 25-26 against non-minnows is very very good.

Career average of 25-26 is fantastic against non-minnows. In the last 50 years, only 20 pacers have averaged below Waqar and pretty much all of them have been greats of the game. It's not easy to avearge 25-26 in your entire career against non-minnows.

 

[big_gamer007]

About 29 no? He did pretty good. In aus

But he was supported by? Steyn and morkel.

Just like before when we were super dangerous as the combo of bumrah shami ishant and umesh were deadly.

Pujara during commentary today talking about how it was more difficult to face philander than Rabada.
He was giving the explanation on why he was tougher to face because of less reaction time even though he was slower than Rabada.

Fans don’t understand these things and that’s why their opinions are worth nothing.

 

[big_gamer007]

More wickets than Shoaib already

He has long past Shoaib mate, he is in league of ATG’s like McGrath, Akram, Steyn, Marshal.

 

[Buffet]

Okk. I didn't start watching cricket until after his retirement so I had no idea. Only heard about him being one of the two Ws of pak

Wasim had far more skills than Waqar. It was a sight to see bowling both of them together.

Waqar was countered by good batting sides in all surfaces due to his limitations. If you take top 4-5 sides during his career, his avearge of 30-31 ( home and away combined) reflects that. I am a bit surpised to see Wasim averaging 28-29 against these top 4-5 sides to be honest. I recollect him troubling top batsmen a lot more. Top 5 sides have changed so take this stats mainly to see how bowlers did during Wasim/Waqar's time and not to rank bowlers for this entire 50 years.

Anyway, career record agasint top sides of 28-29 or 30-31 is not bad specially due to Wasim and Waqar bowling together. Opposition will find it hard if you have 2 bowlers from same team picking wickets 30 a piece.

 

[Buffet]

Just a question to all PPers who watched Wasim bowl:

How many of you thought that he was averaging 28-29 against top sides?

I am a bit surpised to see him averaging 28-29 against top sides to be honest. He had far more skills and my recollection is him troubling good batsmen regularly. I used to tune in to watch Pakistnai game just to watch Wasim. Yes, skill wise Wasim could do do everything, but I did not realize he was averaging 28-29 against good sides in his career.

 

[kron]

Pujara during commentary today talking about how it was more difficult to face philander than Rabada.
He was giving the explanation on why he was tougher to face because of less reaction time even though he was slower than Rabada.

Fans don’t understand these things and that’s why their opinions are worth nothing.

Philander is only good on seaming tracks. He averages 45 plus in Asia. So no he is nothing special.

Fans who have player cricket at a high level or even a fairly competitive level know quite a bit.

Great players seldom become great coaches.

You see that alot in football

God doesn't bless everyone equally.

 

[kron]

Aus actually bowled well, Bumrah is simply outbowling Aus great pace unit. He is making batsmen play most deliveries and that becomes hard for batsmen when they are starting.

Credit also goes to harshit and even siraj kept it tight surprisingly.

 

[Buffet]

Credit also goes to harshit and even siraj kept it tight surprisingly.

Yah, keeping it tight as unit makes it hard because you don't have easy runs then.

I will be very surpised if India wins this long series despite dominating first test so far.

 

[Hawkeye]

Ok guys stop the comparisons with legendary bowlers who already have more than 200-230 wickets away/against non minnows.

EG:

Only
Wasim Akram
McGrath
Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall
Hadlee

Fit the longevity criteria.

Bumrah has about 100 more wickets left against non minnows and in away conditions.

A lot can also change during this time.

So at present he’s definitely the best bowler in the world.

BUT

He’s far from greatness when it comes to ALL TIME GREATS.

Let him take 100 more Test wickets and then we will compare.

 

[kron]

Just a question to all PPers who watched Wasim bowl:

How many of you thought that he was averaging 28-29 against top sides?

I am a bit surpised to see him averaging 28-29 against top sides to be honest. He had far more skills and my recollection is him troubling good batsmen regularly. I used to tune in to watch Pakistnai game just to watch Wasim. Yes, skill wise Wasim could do do everything, but I did not realize he was averaging 28-29 against good sides in his career.

My dad reckons waqar was a better bowler than wasim in tests. Wasim better in odi.

I always felt it was the other way around.

And I have seen games since 90s.

I feel wasim definitely was more skilled with the red cherry.

Lot of catches get dropped from wasims bowling which hurt his figures a bit. Honestly even bumrah has a lot of drops. He could have had labu and the other fellow out ages back in first innings. They may not have crossed 80s

 

[worldlife92]

Just a question to all PPers who watched Wasim bowl:

How many of you thought that he was averaging 28-29 against top sides?

I am a bit surpised to see him averaging 28-29 against top sides to be honest. He had far more skills and my recollection is him troubling good batsmen regularly. I used to tune in to watch Pakistnai game just to watch Wasim. Yes, skill wise Wasim could do do everything, but I did not realize he was averaging 28-29 against good sides in his career.

Add NZ and his average comes down to 25.5.
Surprisingly, Wasim averages 30 vs Eng after 18 matches and almost 29 vs India.
He surely used to trouble the batsmen but taking wickets is another thing. I remember other bowlers used to benefit coz Akram created pressure from one end and often ended up with lesser wickets.

 

[kron]

Ok guys stop the comparisons with legendary bowlers who already have more than 200-230 wickets away/against non minnows.

EG:

Only
Wasim Akram
McGrath
Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall
Hadlee

Fit the longevity criteria.

Bumrah has about 100 more wickets left against non minnows and in away conditions.

A lot can also change during this time.

So at present he’s definitely the best bowler in the world.

BUT

He’s far from greatness when it comes to ALL TIME GREATS.

Let him take 100 more Test wickets and then we will compare.

Don't see bumrah playing more than 60 to 65 games max. Right now 41. he will get to 300

Should be just about enough.

 

[Hawkeye]

Ok guys stop the comparisons with legendary bowlers who already have more than 200-230 wickets away/against non minnows.

EG:

Only
Wasim Akram
McGrath
Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall
Hadlee

Fit the longevity criteria.

Bumrah has about 100 more wickets left against non minnows and in away conditions.

A lot can also change during this time.

So at present he’s definitely the best bowler in the world.

BUT

He’s far from greatness when it comes to ALL TIME GREATS.

Let him take 100 more Test wickets and then we will compare.

Also

Overall Test wickets also matter.

He has to take at least 300 wickets against non minnows to become eligible to be compared against the likes of:

Wasim Akram
Malcolm Marshall
McGrath
Imran Khan
Hadlee
Steyn
Ambrose

What is the wickets count of Bumrah!?

A GRAND 169!

So, a lot of work still to be done.

A long road ahead.

Longevity wins.

 

[Hawkeye]

Don't see bumrah playing more than 60 to 65 games max. Right now 41. he will get to 300

Should be just about enough.

Yeah longevity is difficult.

All time greats shown longevity.

You have to take at least 300 wickets against non minnows to become eligible to be compared against the greats of the game.

 

[Buffet]

My dad reckons waqar was a better bowler than wasim in tests. Wasim better in odi.

I always felt it was the other way around.

And I have seen games since 90s.

I feel wasim definitely was more skilled with the red cherry.

Lot of catches get dropped from wasims bowling which hurt his figures a bit. Honestly even bumrah has a lot of drops. He could have had labu and the other fellow out ages back in first innings. They may not have crossed 80s

I saw both since early 90s. No way Waqar was better in any format than Wasim. Waqar was too dependent on reverse.

 

[Buffet]

Add NZ and his average comes down to 25.5.
Surprisingly, Wasim averages 30 vs Eng after 18 matches and almost 29 vs India.
He surely used to trouble the batsmen but taking wickets is another thing. I remember other bowlers used to benefit coz Akram created pressure from one end and often ended up with lesser wickets.

And 29 vs SA but that was low sample size of 4 tests. Yes, taking wicket is surely different than troubling batsmen but over a long career, if you trouble neough then thngs evens out and you take wickets as well. That's why I was a bit surpised by Wasim also averaging that high.

 

[Buffet]

Ok guys stop the comparisons with legendary bowlers who already have more than 200-230 wickets away/against non minnows.

Weird criterion to be honest.

Here are 200 plus away wickets against non-minnows in the last 50 years of test cricket. We don't need to look at how they actually did just count number of bowlers and it's not even 10 bowlers. They will win longevity contest but not a better bowler contest with this kind of filter. Longevity is surely important but impact during that longevity is far more important.

We are in 3 format era and expecting that pacers need to be top 10 in away wickets volume to be eligible for comaprison does not make any sense.

 

[charlie007]

Also

Overall Test wickets also matter.

He has to take at least 300 wickets against non minnows to become eligible to be compared against the likes of:

Wasim Akram
Malcolm Marshall
McGrath
Imran Khan
Hadlee
Steyn
Ambrose

What is the wickets count of Bumrah!?

A GRAND 169!

So, a lot of work still to be done.

A long road ahead.

Longevity wins.

I don’t see you using the same yardstick for Tendulkar

 

[big_gamer007]

Philander is only good on seaming tracks. He averages 45 plus in Asia. So no he is nothing special.

Fans who have player cricket at a high level or even a fairly competitive level know quite a bit.

Great players seldom become great coaches.

You see that alot in football

God doesn't bless everyone equally.

Anyone who plays international sport at the highest level is special.
So yes, philander is special.

No one is saying Philander is best ever.

Point is he is a great bowler for the conditions he played in and as Pujara explained which you don’t seem to get a grasp of (since you haven’t played cricket at that level and only watch it from a TV screen) is that in SA conditions Philander was more difficult to face than Rabada (who himself is an ATG).

And no fans who watch on TV like yourself don’t know more than the best International players who actually face the bowler’s in reality and who get fed hours of data/analytics by top level analysts.

 

[big_gamer007]

My dad reckons waqar was a better bowler than wasim in tests. Wasim better in odi.

I always felt it was the other way around.

And I have seen games since 90s.

I feel wasim definitely was more skilled with the red cherry.

Lot of catches get dropped from wasims bowling which hurt his figures a bit. Honestly even bumrah has a lot of drops. He could have had labu and the other fellow out ages back in first innings. They may not have crossed 80s

And this post proved my point about fans and specially you don’t understand cricket anywhere close to international cricketer.

Wasim is the most skilful bowler to touch the bowl and arguably a top 5 bowler of all time.
Waqar is a level or so below in every format.