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Technics 1210 said:
Until his bowling action is examined, he is a suspect bowler. End of.
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Glenn McGrath, Adam Gilchrist, Mark Waugh and Even Wasim say that he's an amazing bowler with an unique hyperextension action.
 
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Raja111 said:
Glenn McGrath, Adam Gilchrist, Mark Waugh and Even Wasim say that he's an amazing bowler with an unique hyperextension action.
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Even if he is chucking or not, (he isnt) what are they going to do about it???
Nothing you can do. Nothing anyone can do to stop bumrah from bowling
 
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125+ away wickets - 10 lowest avearging pacers in entire history.

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125+ total wickets - 10 lowest averaging pacers in entire history.


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In both lists common 6 names are,
  • Barnes
  • Bumrah
  • Ambrose
  • McGrath
  • Marshall
  • Hadlee
Barnes played in amatuer era, but Bumrah, Ambrose, McGrath, Marshall and Hadlee played in competetive era.
 
Buffet said:
125+ away wickets - 10 lowest avearging pacers in entire history.

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125+ total wickets - 10 lowest averaging pacers in entire history.


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In both lists common 6 names are,
  • Barnes
  • Bumrah
  • Ambrose
  • McGrath
  • Marshall
  • Hadlee
Barnes played in amatuer era, but Bumrah, Ambrose, McGrath, Marshall and Hadlee played in competetive era.
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He is the GOAT, what did I tell ya.
 
RexRex said:
He is the GOAT, what did I tell ya.
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In all three formats combined, sure.

But in tests, assuming he play another 20 tests, output like current output will be needed to get ahead of the likes of Marshall, Mcgrath and Hadlee. I will rate Ambrose behind due to lack of Asia factor. McGrath lacked ability to take 5-fers in Asia as well and has just 1 5-fer in Asia but he still has a very good output in Asia. Marshall and Hadlee had ability to run through sides in Asia as well.

In short, avg of 20 or less with 300 test wickets. Yes, goes ahead of even Marshall, but it's a very long shot. Being this good for another 20 tests is mighty task. History is witness to that.

His likely outcome will be 250+ test wickets with fantastic output with the top 5 impactful pacers to play cricket. It will place him among the top 5-7 tests bowlers.

In tests - Marshall like ability, impact and output with 250 plus wickets in era of 3 format , you belong near the top for sure. No bowler, who is gun in all three formats, is ever going to get to 350 test wickets in current era with output like Marshall. That's just unrealistic. I meant not just raw low avg with 350 test wickets. They should have ability to run throgh sides in different conditions and be a top dog in all three format.
 
I meant - 170-180 wickets can't be termed as GOAT in the test format. We don't have to start comparing with anyone else, we can just quickly see against Marshall. I am not saying that his only competition right now is Marhsall, I am simmply using the best in history for comparison.

If he can have another 50-60 wickets at home and another 50-60 wickets away with similar output and impact, then yes. No, bashing minnows is not my definition of quality or longevity and those wickets have never been a factor in rating anyone in history. So performance has to be against non-minnows.
 
Embarrassing trundling by Bumrah in the second Test. Kumble and Ganguly have bowled quicker spells.
 
atreus said:
Sri Lanka is worse
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Not a fair comparison because India have always had way more cricketers and resources than Sri Lanka.

Sri Lankan cricket has done exceptionally well compared to India and Pakistan given what they have.
 
Mamoon said:
Embarrassing trundling by Bumrah in the second Test. Kumble and Ganguly have bowled quicker spells.
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He wants to be captain and oust rohit. Which is fair
Rohit sucks

Never performed in pressure games.
 
Mamoon said:
Embarrassing trundling by Bumrah in the second Test. Kumble and Ganguly have bowled quicker spells.
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What is embarrassing? Got 4 wickets in first inning and top order wickets. Not much to do in second innings.
 
Croma said:
42 Matches: 185 Wickets : 19.96 Ave

:salute
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If we had shami and prime ishant and umesh again that would be best attack
.infact india has had the goat asian pace attack of all time from.

2015 to 2021 Indian pace attack is the goat Asian pace attack. Period

Sadly pakistan lose this one too. It's a complete circle now.
 
Buffet said:
I meant - 170-180 wickets can't be termed as GOAT in the test format. We don't have to start comparing with anyone else, we can just quickly see against Marshall. I am not saying that his only competition right now is Marhsall, I am simmply using the best in history for comparison.

If he can have another 50-60 wickets at home and another 50-60 wickets away with similar output and impact, then yes. No, bashing minnows is not my definition of quality or longevity and those wickets have never been a factor in rating anyone in history. So performance has to be against non-minnows.
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He will skip minnow matches (eg BD) in the future.
 
Hearung Bumrah is injured and may not play next test match ?. If true that's the series right there, Aus have won it.
 
Mitchell Marsh during a media interaction ahead of the 3rd Test against India:

“I think when you have the best bowler in the world and you are just trying to see him off he is going to have one with your name on it. I think it is about applying pressure with your own method and taking the challenge on.”

“We know right now he’s probably the best bowler in the world. It’s just about getting up for that challenge. It’s a big series. You want to take the best in the world on. That is certainly my mentality. (I) look forward to facing him again.”
 
Jasprit Bumrah is the only reason why India is even competitive today. What a champion bowler he is...

Another fifer for Bumrah in SENA
 
BouncerGuy said:
Jasprit Bumrah is the only reason why India is even competitive today. What a champion bowler he is...

Another fifer for Bumrah in SENA
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3 five wicket haul in SA.
3 five wicket haul in AUS.
2 five wicket haul in ENG.
2 five wicket haul in IND.
2 five wicket haul in WI.
 
BouncerGuy said:
3 five wicket haul in SA.
3 five wicket haul in AUS.
2 five wicket haul in ENG.
2 five wicket haul in IND.
2 five wicket haul in WI.
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190 test wickets avg 19.8


Mostly top order batsmen against good teams and not cheap tails.

Watching a genius player in history.
 
147 test wickets against Aus, Eng, SA. Wickets have been top order batsmen.

Posters talk about longevity, I don't think he has played SL/Pak/Zim. I think it's silly to say that picking 100 wickets against SL/Zim/Pak will elevate his legacy, except for longevity crowd.

In my opinion, I would like him to produce a match changing spell in NZ. NZ is one of the good teams and that's one thing left for him to do. He needs 50- 60 more test wickets against good teams to go down with Marshall as the best in test history.

200-250 test wickets at Marshall like output against good teams is far far better than bowlers having longevity but did not step up against good teams.


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The same table sorted by AVG

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The same table sorted by SR

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Bumrah and Cummins from current generation appear in the list near the top in both. Not surprising.
 
To not have thread comparing Bumrah with 2 Ws get side tracked, it's best to share views expressed by greats on Bumrah in this thread. It will also keep discusion clean that way. Mods can probably delete Marshall related post I made there to not derail the threads.

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Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall
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“I can’t properly compare him to Marshall because I never faced Bumrah but just watching him, there is not much (between them). Bumrah is remarkable. He rarely bowls a spell without taking a wicket. He is different,” Border was quoted as saying to the News Corp.

“Because of his action, he lets the ball go later. And he smiles all the time. He can beat a batsman three times in a row and smile each time. I have never seen anyone like him,” added the 69-year-old.

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Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall | India tour of Australia, 2024/25

Statistically, both Bumrah and Marshall have identical numbers after 43 Tests in their respective careers.
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Marshall has been the gold standard for pacers. A very high praise coming from Border.
 
Buffet said:
To not have thread comparing Bumrah with 2 Ws get side tracked, it's best to share views expressed by greats on Bumrah in this thread. It will also keep discusion clean that way. Mods can probably delete Marshall related post I made there to not derail the threads.

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Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall
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“I can’t properly compare him to Marshall because I never faced Bumrah but just watching him, there is not much (between them). Bumrah is remarkable. He rarely bowls a spell without taking a wicket. He is different,” Border was quoted as saying to the News Corp.

“Because of his action, he lets the ball go later. And he smiles all the time. He can beat a batsman three times in a row and smile each time. I have never seen anyone like him,” added the 69-year-old.

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Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall | India tour of Australia, 2024/25

Statistically, both Bumrah and Marshall have identical numbers after 43 Tests in their respective careers.
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Marshall has been the gold standard for pacers. A very high praise coming from Border.
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INtimidation factor was there back then due to lack of protective gears. Marshall fully utilized it. There was a double wicket tournament where two players would pair up and play against a team that has two players. Malcom Marshall said i can kill players with these balls after seeing the cricket ball that was used in the match. Even West Indies back up bowlers like Sylvester Clarke, Wayne Daniel, Winston Davis, Winston Benjamin, Patrick patterson. Keith Boyce.. many of them were threatening. Nowadays people are not scared of pace. Guys like Jayden Seales, Shamar Joseph, Kemar Roach, Alzaari Joseph could potentially have been more intimidating in that era. Even now once in a while they do run through some sides. Also opponents have fast bowlers to give it back. The famous test match where India declared at 306/6 as West Indies was brutalizing Indian tailenders trying to hurt them bad. Story was INdia chased 400 plus in 4th innings to win a test against West Indies. It infuriated West Indians. They resorted to violence in the next test at Jamaica. It was an absolute bloodbath.
 
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Buffet said:
To not have thread comparing Bumrah with 2 Ws get side tracked, it's best to share views expressed by greats on Bumrah in this thread. It will also keep discusion clean that way. Mods can probably delete Marshall related post I made there to not derail the threads.

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Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall
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“I can’t properly compare him to Marshall because I never faced Bumrah but just watching him, there is not much (between them). Bumrah is remarkable. He rarely bowls a spell without taking a wicket. He is different,” Border was quoted as saying to the News Corp.

“Because of his action, he lets the ball go later. And he smiles all the time. He can beat a batsman three times in a row and smile each time. I have never seen anyone like him,” added the 69-year-old.

www.cricket.com

Not much between them: Border compares Bumrah to Windies great Marshall | India tour of Australia, 2024/25

Statistically, both Bumrah and Marshall have identical numbers after 43 Tests in their respective careers.
www.cricket.com www.cricket.com

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Marshall has been the gold standard for pacers. A very high praise coming from Border.
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Don't you know every single non Indian ex cricketer in the world is under BCCI's payroll?
 
Buffet said:
Bumrah right now : 194 wickets - Avg of 19.5 - SR 42
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This is not impressive then,

Bumrah in Aus : 21 wickets at avg of 10 [ ongoing series ]

I don't think he is going to keep picking wickets 10 runs each in the next 4 innings because it's relatively flatter pitches, but due to Bumrah, series is 1-1 after 3 tests and 5th test will be a live test.

Otherwise India is a poor team right now. Aus has issues but very dominating team at home when not playing India in the last 7-8 years. I was expecting Aus to take 2-0 lead by now.
 
Jasprit Bumrah has taken the most wickets by a pacer in Tests away from home since 2020.

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I think this was the absolute peak year of his career. This is not to say he won't perform again or hasn't performed in the past but this is the summit. Every great cricketer has one such year.

Sachin - 1998
Kohli - 2016
Bumrah - 2024
 
Rajdeep said:
I think this was the absolute peak year of his career. This is not to say he won't perform again or hasn't performed in the past but this is the summit. Every great cricketer has one such year.

Sachin - 1998
Kohli - 2016
Bumrah - 2024
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MSD the captain -2011

World cup
IPL
Test mace
Champions league
 
jnaveen1980 said:
MSD the captain -2011

World cup
IPL
Test mace
Champions league
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Yes but MSD the batsman was not that great in 2011. Even in the world cup he only performed in the finals.

Dhoni from 2005-2013 was a consistently good performer but he never had that one standout year like these 3 players.

Infact, I don't recall any other Indian cricketer had that summit year...maybe KL Rahul 2018 if you want to push it a bit.
 
Rajdeep said:
Yes but MSD the batsman was not that great in 2011. Even in the world cup he only performed in the finals.

Dhoni from 2005-2013 was a consistently good performer but he never had that one standout year like these 3 players.

Infact, I don't recall any other Indian cricketer had that summit year...maybe KL Rahul 2018 if you want to push it a bit.
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GIven the place where he batted he won't have that kind of number games anyway. But there was a time when he became world no.1 ranked batsman in one of the year.
 
Buffet said:
This is not impressive then,

Bumrah in Aus : 21 wickets at avg of 10 [ ongoing series ]

I don't think he is going to keep picking wickets 10 runs each in the next 4 innings because it's relatively flatter pitches, but due to Bumrah, series is 1-1 after 3 tests and 5th test will be a live test.

Otherwise India is a poor team right now. Aus has issues but very dominating team at home when not playing India in the last 7-8 years. I was expecting Aus to take 2-0 lead by now.
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Gabba was a flat pitch. Just cause our batsmen can't play doesn't. Mean it wasn't flat. Only in certain times it was conducive to fast bowling. That happened when it rained I the morning.

Even test 1 was flat if you survive the initial 20 overs or so. Pitch flattened out.
 
Mamoon said:
A bang average bowler like Siraj at #2 compromises the credibility of this list.
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Shaheen at #4 raises legitimate questions about credibility of the list but he is a minnow basher in Tests. Siraj has been very very good as a fast bowler in Australia, South Africa and England.
 
Major reasons why Bumrah is making a claim to be top tier ATG despite only 194 test wickets:-

1. Bowling average of 19.5
2. Performance vs top teams like Aus, Eng and SA is simply phenomenal annd the ability to win games overseas is simply incredible. Include NZ and his stats still stands out above rest from his era.
3. An all format bowler who has proved his worth in all three formats. He is a top bowler and one of the first names in each and every format.
4. A leader of the bowling attack by far. Rest of Indian pacers are still well behind him in this era. The likes of Walsh, Pollock, Garner never led the pace attack as admirably as Bumrah.
 
Buffet said:
This is not impressive then,

Bumrah in Aus : 21 wickets at avg of 10 [ ongoing series ]

I don't think he is going to keep picking wickets 10 runs each in the next 4 innings because it's relatively flatter pitches, but due to Bumrah, series is 1-1 after 3 tests and 5th test will be a live test.

Otherwise India is a poor team right now. Aus has issues but very dominating team at home when not playing India in the last 7-8 years. I was expecting Aus to take 2-0 lead by now.
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If you remove Mcgrath from the great Aussie team they would lose most of their away series.

PS- not comparing India to that Aus team, just pointing it out that an ATG pacer is always the backbone of your team.

We saw what happened in Eng circa 2005.
 
Mamoon said:
A bang average bowler like Siraj at #2 compromises the credibility of this list.
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Siraj is a mile ahead of Shaheen though. Shaheen actually compromises the credibility of this list.

Afridi averages 39 against SENA teams with 0 fifers, Siraj averages 30 with 2 fifers.

Afridi is a bang average bowler, not even good enough to be selected for test cricket anymore.
 
Ab Fan said:
Major reasons why Bumrah is making a claim to be top tier ATG despite only 194 test wickets:-

1. Bowling average of 19.5
2. Performance vs top teams like Aus, Eng and SA is simply phenomenal annd the ability to win games overseas is simply incredible. Include NZ and his stats still stands out above rest from his era.
3. An all format bowler who has proved his worth in all three formats. He is a top bowler and one of the first names in each and every format.
4. A leader of the bowling attack by far. Rest of Indian pacers are still well behind him in this era. The likes of Walsh, Pollock, Garner never led the pace attack as admirably as Bumrah.
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Bro he will get 300 wickets, which will be good enough to rate him as a GOAT contender, the likes of Holdiung, Garner, Roberts have less than 250 wkts, they are still hailed as ATG.
 
Bumrah is the greatest bowler of this era. But putting him at top 1 of all time is insulting to players who have played the game.

However at the very least he's a proper atg bowler to have come out of India and Indians cam latch onto him.

Since they use to latch on ashwin, zaheer khan, Harbajan, Ishant Sharma 🤣🤣🤣
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Bro he will get 300 wickets, which will be good enough to rate him as a GOAT contender, the likes of Holdiung, Garner, Roberts have less than 250 wkts, they are still hailed as ATG.
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Across the format he has 400 plus wickets. Just consider the regular test playing nations in all era Only Joel Garner has better average. Look at the freaking strike rate. That is insane 33.8 @Buffet


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Jasprit Bumrah leads the way in the on going Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2024-25, with more wickets than Mohammed Siraj, Harshit Rana, and Akash Deep combined.

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mominsaigol said:
Bumrah is the greatest bowler of this era. But putting him at top 1 of all time is insulting to players who have played the game.

However at the very least he's a proper atg bowler to have come out of India and Indians cam latch onto him.

Since they use to latch on ashwin, zaheer khan, Harbajan, Ishant Sharma 🤣🤣🤣
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Those four between them have won 4 ICC trophies (WC 11, WC 07, CT 02, CT13)
 
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Michael Hussey revealed during a podcast conversation:

“He [Jasprit Bumrah] burst onto the scene in the IPL. I remember having one stern word with him, though. In one of his early games, he got AB de Villiers out, obviously a great of the game and gave him a big send-off, and AB wasn’t too happy about it. He sort of stared him down, and I remember just pulling Bumrah aside and saying, ‘Mate, you don’t need to do that."

"You have got that much skill that much talent, getting the wicket is enough. That’s the biggest sledge you can give, you don’t need to give send-offs if you want to have respect in the game and get respected by your peers then maybe just don’t give send-offs’."
 
mominsaigol said:
Bumrah is the greatest bowler of this era. But putting him at top 1 of all time is insulting to players who have played the game.

However at the very least he's a proper atg bowler to have come out of India and Indians cam latch onto him.

Since they use to latch on ashwin, zaheer khan, Harbajan, Ishant Sharma 🤣🤣🤣
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It is more insulting to the game of cricket when you anoint mcsweeney as the next test great.

Bumrah is an ATG but he needs to so more to be top 1. He is probably top 10 though of all time though. A few more good performances vs eng and SA and yea he should get there. He also needs one or 2 more good performances in India vs top teams.
 
Bumrah hasn't had that one single moment in this series, but he has made a whole Test match bend to his will. India's win in Perth after being bowled out for 150 is the reason they are still in contention to retain the Border-Gavaskar Trophy. That six-for in the first innings turned out to be just a start. He now has 21 wickets at an average of 10.90. The rest of India have 26 wickets at an average of 36.81. World XI at one end. Ilford seconds at the other.

Richard Hadlee, about whom Graham Gooch made that quip, is the poster boy for the one-man army trope from a bowling perspective. He too was three times as good as the rest of his team-mates in the 1985-86 Trans-Tasman Trophy. This is the company Bumrah is keeping. He is providing a fast-bowling masterclass the quality of which has not been seen in 40 years.

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Bumrah at one end, Ilford Seconds at the other?

Not since the days of Richard Hadlee has one fast bowler carried an attack like Bumrah has in this Border-Gavaskar series. At 1-1, it's time for India's other bowlers to step up
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