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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Jasprit Bumrah is the best fast-bowler in the world right now

Here is impact of pacers when playing away from home( non-minnows)
5-fers in wins away from home:
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Same bowlers sorted by SR:
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2 more 5-fers in away win will take Bumrah to top 3 in the last 50 years.

He is right there with Hadlee, Steyn, Marshall in impact. Most of his 5-fers in wins are also not some second tiers teams. It's against top teams.

250 test wickets with these impacts in test with being absolute top tier in ODI and T20 as well in 3 formats era means we are witnessing something very special.
 
Bumrah is getting better with time... i am sure he will soon get the top spot in bowlers rankings of all 3 formats.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Bumrah is getting better with time... i am sure he will soon get the top spot in bowlers rankings of all 3 formats.
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Not likely becasue you lose 1% for every single match you miss. He does not play all bilaterals so one series with 5 match miss means you lose 40 points starting from 800 base.
 
big_gamer007 said:
And this post proved my point about fans and specially you don’t understand cricket anywhere close to international cricketer.

Wasim is the most skilful bowler to touch the bowl and arguably a top 5 bowler of all time.
Waqar is a level or so below in every format.
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I literally said what you said????
Wasim more skilled than waqar?
My dad thinks the opposite. Wth?
 
big_gamer007 said:
Anyone who plays international sport at the highest level is special.
So yes, philander is special.

No one is saying Philander is best ever.

Point is he is a great bowler for the conditions he played in and as Pujara explained which you don’t seem to get a grasp of (since you haven’t played cricket at that level and only watch it from a TV screen) is that in SA conditions Philander was more difficult to face than Rabada (who himself is an ATG).

And no fans who watch on TV like yourself don’t know more than the best International players who actually face the bowler’s in reality and who get fed hours of data/analytics by top level analysts.
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Yea. Caveat being in SA

Bhuvi too was hard to face in SA.
What's your point? We know he is good in SA

I don't rate him cause he is cannon fodder in Asia where wickets are flatter.
 
Hopefully, post this test Bumrah will rightfully take the to spot in bowling rankings.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I don't think anyone look at rankings. He is clearly cut above the rest.
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steyn was like 1 for 5 years but yea these days these things dont matter
its all neck and neck up the top
just depends on who plays who and where.

bumrah only weakness is with new ball vs nz in swing conditions. he needs to fix that. some reason latham and conway somehow survive vs him in tests.
 
kron said:
I literally said what you said????
Wasim more skilled than waqar?
My dad thinks the opposite. Wth?
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Your post made it seem like you said Waqar was a better bowler than Wasim in ODI.
In no format is Waqar better than Wasim.

That’s not a stain on Waqar but only a few bowlers in history of cricket are comparable/better than Wasim and Waqar ain’t one of them.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Your post made it seem like you said Waqar was a better bowler than Wasim in ODI.
In no format is Waqar better than Wasim.

That’s not a stain on Waqar but only a few bowlers in history of cricket are comparable/better than Wasim and Waqar ain’t one of them.
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That's fair. Wonder who would be better in t20 hypothetically. Still see wasim bhai being better there.
 
kron said:
Yea. Caveat being in SA

Bhuvi too was hard to face in SA.
What's your point? We know he is good in SA

I don't rate him cause he is cannon fodder in Asia where wickets are flatter.
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My point is he’s a very good bowler and to compete and take 200+ wickets in tests at under 25 average make you special.

There are few people in history of mankind who have achieved that feat and all of them are special.

Is philander the best amongst those? Absolutely not.
But he was a top quality player who in favourable conditions was better than an ATG like Rabada as mentioned by opposition batsmen who faced him.
 
kron said:
That's fair. Wonder who would be better in t20 hypothetically. Still see wasim bhai being better there.
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Would be interesting, someone like Malinga was very successful in T20, Waqar had somewhat similar skill set, so he could have been successful.
On the other hand Wasim is the most complete fast bowler ever so I’m sure he would have found a way to be good in T20s.

T20 is mostly a batting shoot out so both will struggle relatively to other formats.
 
Waaar first 38 tests blew wasim out of the water.

I think he had ridiculous stats of 200 wickets in 38 tests at 19 , with a strike rate of 37.

My father said, imran was the best Test fast bowler . Swing , seam, and pace
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Waaar first 38 tests blew wasim out of the water.

I think he had ridiculous stats of 200 wickets in 38 tests at 19 , with a strike rate of 37.

My father said, imran was the best Test fast bowler . Swing , seam, and pace
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Filter those numbers by opposition and you will get a clearer picture. Even in his best initial years, he did nothing of note against decent sides. Averages like mid 30s if my memory serves me right. I consider that peak like Babar Azam peak, amazing numbers but mostly attained by bashing poor sides.

Wasim was far superior with few weaknesses, even against top sides.
 
Hikaru said:
Filter those numbers by opposition and you will get a clearer picture. Even in his best initial years, he did nothing of note against decent sides. Averages like mid 30s if my memory serves me right. I consider that peak like Babar Azam peak, amazing numbers but mostly attained by bashing poor sides.

Wasim was far superior with few weaknesses, even against top sides.
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Stats are stats. Waqar also played on the Roads of Pakistan.

As for the best Pak test fast bowler of all, that goes to imran.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Stats are stats. Waqar also played on the Roads of Pakistan.

As for the best Pak test fast bowler of all, that goes to imran.
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That's why these sort of comparisons is stupid unless we know exactly what sort of pitch he bowled on

But yes 90s generally were more bowling friendly.
 
Top 5 impactful pacers when playing away in the last 50 years. Bumrah joins the list.

5-fers in win against non-minnows.

List is great one: Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Steyn and Bumrah.

Every single one of them could turn the game in one spell in any sitaution.



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Top 5 impact when playing away in just 41 tests and we have posters talking about needs to take so many wickets or needs to play so many tests.

You don't need to do anything if you can help your team win test matches away from home by running through oppositions in their den. Greatness in test cricket is always about how you step up away from home and it has not changed. Home track bully is also good and teams need those players but they are dime and dozen.

If he takes 1-2 more 5-fers in win to help his team win then gets into top 2-3 pacers in history in impact. He single handedly changed the Indian team when it comes to winning tests away.

11 test wins for India in Aus/Eng/SA after Bumrah debuted.

If 11 test wins seems low to some one,

In entire 50 years Pakistan has won only 17 tests in these places.
In entire 50 years, SA has won only 16 tests in these places.
In entire 50 years, NZ has won only 10 tests in these places.
Without these 11 wins, India had won only 13 tests in these places.

Pakistan, SA, NZ had Wasim,Waqar, Steyn, Donald, Hadlee playing for them in the last 50 years so it should put it in context. It's the hardest job in test cricket.

Clearly, 11 test wins after Bumrah debuted is a huge number. Give me this bowler with 250 career wickets over lots of others with more wickets.
 
Buffet said:
Not likely becasue you lose 1% for every single match you miss. He does not play all bilaterals so one series with 5 match miss means you lose 40 points starting from 800 base.
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no problem.. ICC will handle this issue with BCCI lol
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bazball era? nosedived? How? If anything tests are more entertaining nowadays. India made 285 in 38 overs to force a result. Back in those days that would have been a certain draw.
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This is coming from a England fan. Bazz ball only succeeds on Roads. Any hint of seam/swing or spin, then that is kryptonite for bazzball.

You saw it in the first test here at Perth. On a green top, both batting lineups folded like a pack of cards, it was only when thr moisture completely evaporated from the surface we had India post a hugh total.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
This is coming from a England fan. Bazz ball only succeeds on Roads. Any hint of seam/swing or spin, then that is kryptonite for bazzball.

You saw it in the first test here at Perth. On a green top, both batting lineups folded like a pack of cards, it was only when thr moisture completely evaporated from the surface we had India post a hugh total.
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Which era is the best era then? Era where you had plenty of draws teams being afraid of going after wins? I can pick a random era and show similar score card. Pakistan was shot out for 53 & 59. England got butchered in West Indies several times in any era.
 
All format pacers of all-time:-

McGrath
Wasim
Marshall
Donald
Hadlee
Garner
Bumrah
Pollock
Waqar
Lillee
 
Ab Fan said:
All format pacers of all-time:-

McGrath
Wasim
Marshall
Donald
Hadlee
Garner
Bumrah
Pollock
Waqar
Lillee
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Just like we don't compare the stats for the batsmen as 1-on-1 basis, I think we should be mindful of venerating the bowlers of the past. They played in an era, when batsmen were scared of their safety. Else we get comparison like Rizwan being better than Lara. Similar barometer should be applied in reverse for assessing bowlers of the past.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Just like we don't compare the stats for the batsmen as 1-on-1 basis, I think we should be mindful of venerating the bowlers of the past. They played in an era, when batsmen were scared of their safety. Else we get comparison like Rizwan being better than Lara. Similar barometer should be applied in reverse for assessing bowlers of the past.
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One of the biggest thing we ignore is back then noballs were not monitored. There was this 1997 test match where number of Indian batsmen got out of West Indian bowlers were no balls. Franklyn Rose bowled Amir like noballs and umpire did not even spot them. The TV broadcast showed them. But there was no third umpire back then to over rule them. West Indian fast bowlers liberally overstepped and umpires didn't always catch them. Play was not fair all the time. Now with all the cameras we eliminate such violations.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Which era is the best era then? Era where you had plenty of draws teams being afraid of going after wins? I can pick a random era and show similar score card. Pakistan was shot out for 53 & 59. England got butchered in West Indies several times in any era.
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Hamaare Zamaney mein .... everything was bigger/better .... you just cannot argue with people that rely on that sort of logic. Laughable to think that quality of Test Cricket is poor today when you can clearly see everything close up in brilliant HD with unreal coverage that gives you a much better view than what the non-striker or umpires have.
 
uppercut said:
Hamaare Zamaney mein .... everything was bigger/better .... you just cannot argue with people that rely on that sort of logic. Laughable to think that quality of Test Cricket is poor today when you can clearly see everything close up in brilliant HD with unreal coverage that gives you a much better view than what the non-striker or umpires have.
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IN order to dilute current performances of India, they make these blanket comparisons with zero context. It is much easier to congradulate good performance of India like all the Australian fans did and move on.
 
Buffet said:
Top 5 impact when playing away in just 41 tests and we have posters talking about needs to take so many wickets or needs to play so many tests.

You don't need to do anything if you can help your team win test matches away from home by running through oppositions in their den. Greatness in test cricket is always about how you step up away from home and it has not changed. Home track bully is also good and teams need those players but they are dime and dozen.

If he takes 1-2 more 5-fers in win to help his team win then gets into top 2-3 pacers in history in impact. He single handedly changed the Indian team when it comes to winning tests away.

11 test wins for India in Aus/Eng/SA after Bumrah debuted.

If 11 test wins seems low to some one,

In entire 50 years Pakistan has won only 17 tests in these places.
In entire 50 years, SA has won only 16 tests in these places.
In entire 50 years, NZ has won only 10 tests in these places.
Without these 11 wins, India had won only 13 tests in these places.

Pakistan, SA, NZ had Wasim,Waqar, Steyn, Donald, Hadlee playing for them in the last 50 years so it should put it in context. It's the hardest job in test cricket.

Clearly, 11 test wins after Bumrah debuted is a huge number. Give me this bowler with 250 career wickets over lots of others with more wickets.
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I am done with trolling. Bumrah >> every Asian pacer that ever existed

Includes wasim

Wasim himself said so
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Which era is the best era then? Era where you had plenty of draws teams being afraid of going after wins? I can pick a random era and show similar score card. Pakistan was shot out for 53 & 59. England got butchered in West Indies several times in any era.
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Current era is the best and bumrah is the best Asian pacer ever.

These clowns need burnol to rub their butt holes
 
big_gamer007 said:
My point is he’s a very good bowler and to compete and take 200+ wickets in tests at under 25 average make you special.

There are few people in history of mankind who have achieved that feat and all of them are special.

Is philander the best amongst those? Absolutely not.
But he was a top quality player who in favourable conditions was better than an ATG like Rabada as mentioned by opposition batsmen who faced him.
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How you compare him vs Jadeja?

300 wickets under 25 average. Top quality bowler under favourable conditions and is often mentioned by Steve Smith as one of the toughest batters to deal with ahead of Ashwin.
 
Atherton's comments after first test,


"He's like a nightmare, isn't he? He stutters away off about 10 yards and then unleashes these thunderbolts, usually bang on a sixpence, and he steals a yard because he releases it in front of himself more so than anybody else. What a nightmare to face," said Atherton.

Hussain said that he would sweat before facing Bumrah. “I would have been afraid to face him. Shall I go forward, or shall I stand in the crease? That would have been my thought if I had to face him. He has a slow ball, yorker, and the bouncer in his bowling arsenal,” Nasser Hussain said.

"He's the best all-format bowler in the world, bar none," Hussain added

crictoday.com

"There are some bowlers who force you to thank god for not letting you to face them": Atherton heaps praise on Australia's biggest nightmare Jasprit Bumrah

Jasprit Bumrah's impressive performance in the Perth Test against Australia earns him Player of the Match award. Experts praise his bowling skills.
crictoday.com crictoday.com

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Maxwell's comments after first test,

“His length ball and bouncers are similar and it is really hard to pick up the difference between the two deliveries. He has the ability to bring ball in and also take it away from a batter. Bumrah is going to go down as the best fast bowler of all time but not in terms of wickets. But for the players who have batted against him as it is difficult to face him. His unique action and the ability with ball make him an exceptional bowler,” Maxwell

crictoday.com

"Bumrah will finish as best fast bowler, Jaiswal to score more than 40 Test hundreds": Glenn Maxwell makes two bold predictions

Glenn Maxwell praises Jasprit Bumrah's accuracy and predicts Jaiswal's Test career. Bumrah's unique action and skill make him a top fast bowler.
crictoday.com crictoday.com


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Wasim comments after first test,

"He is the best bowler in the world," screamed the legendary Wasim Akram in commentary seeing Bumrah inflict carnage on Australia. The former Pakistan captain's comments were echoed by his fellow commentators as former Australia cricketer Kerry O'Keefe called it "the most inspired spell of fast bowling by a captain."

Bumrah bowled six overs with the new ball and picked up three wickets for just 9 runs.


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I agree with maxwell. He has chance as quality but not quantity. In all format era, he is never going to play enough test to get lots of wickets, but it's clear that he is the best bowler in Test, ODI and T20 by a large margin.

In any era if you think about it, how many were stand out in all formats they played,

May be Mcgrath and I am struggling to name anyone else who was the best all format by a clear margin. The gap is pretty big between Bumran and second best all format bowler(whoever that bowler is right now).

He is probably the most difficult bowler to face and score due to his skills, run up and late release of ball. He has been the difference in India winning 10-12 away test and not winning.

500-600 international wickets with a huge impact and being the top dog in the Test, ODI and T20 for 10 years. Can't ask for more. Already 8 years in his career, a few more years of top performacne and he gets there. It's just silly to say that he can't be comapared to XYZ unless he takes so and so wickets in test format. You can simply compare in impact and if you had more imapct despite playing a lot less then it hardly matters.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
no problem.. ICC will handle this issue with BCCI lol
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You were proven right just after one test. He is rank 1 in test now, but I think my point stands.

He is not going to occupy rank 1 for too long due to not playing all tests. You start losing 1% of point for each missed test so missing any series puts you back a lot.
 
Buffet said:
Atherton's comments after first test,


"He's like a nightmare, isn't he? He stutters away off about 10 yards and then unleashes these thunderbolts, usually bang on a sixpence, and he steals a yard because he releases it in front of himself more so than anybody else. What a nightmare to face," said Atherton.

Hussain said that he would sweat before facing Bumrah. “I would have been afraid to face him. Shall I go forward, or shall I stand in the crease? That would have been my thought if I had to face him. He has a slow ball, yorker, and the bouncer in his bowling arsenal,” Nasser Hussain said.

"He's the best all-format bowler in the world, bar none," Hussain added

crictoday.com

"There are some bowlers who force you to thank god for not letting you to face them": Atherton heaps praise on Australia's biggest nightmare Jasprit Bumrah

Jasprit Bumrah's impressive performance in the Perth Test against Australia earns him Player of the Match award. Experts praise his bowling skills.
crictoday.com crictoday.com

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Maxwell's comments after first test,

“His length ball and bouncers are similar and it is really hard to pick up the difference between the two deliveries. He has the ability to bring ball in and also take it away from a batter. Bumrah is going to go down as the best fast bowler of all time but not in terms of wickets. But for the players who have batted against him as it is difficult to face him. His unique action and the ability with ball make him an exceptional bowler,” Maxwell

crictoday.com

"Bumrah will finish as best fast bowler, Jaiswal to score more than 40 Test hundreds": Glenn Maxwell makes two bold predictions

Glenn Maxwell praises Jasprit Bumrah's accuracy and predicts Jaiswal's Test career. Bumrah's unique action and skill make him a top fast bowler.
crictoday.com crictoday.com


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Wasim comments after first test,

"He is the best bowler in the world," screamed the legendary Wasim Akram in commentary seeing Bumrah inflict carnage on Australia. The former Pakistan captain's comments were echoed by his fellow commentators as former Australia cricketer Kerry O'Keefe called it "the most inspired spell of fast bowling by a captain."

Bumrah bowled six overs with the new ball and picked up three wickets for just 9 runs.


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I agree with maxwell. He has chance as quality but not quantity. In all format era, he is never going to play enough test to get lots of wickets, but it's clear that he is the best bowler in Test, ODI and T20 by a large margin.

In any era if you think about it, how many were stand out in all formats they played,

May be Mcgrath and I am struggling to name anyone else who was the best all format by a clear margin. The gap is pretty big between Bumran and second best all format bowler(whoever that bowler is right now).

He is probably the most difficult bowler to face and score due to his skills, run up and late release of ball. He has been the difference in India winning 10-12 away test and not winning.

500-600 international wickets with a huge impact and being the top dog in the Test, ODI and T20 for 10 years. Can't ask for more. Already 8 years in his career, a few more years of top performacne and he gets there. It's just silly to say that he can't be comapared to XYZ unless he takes so and so wickets in test format. You can simply compare in impact and if you had more imapct despite playing a lot less then it hardly matters.
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Sometimes sheer impact cannot be measured with some cricinfo numbers like average, strike rate. Sometimes when you have some gun bowlers at other end you reap rewards. Timing of his wickets cannot be measured. In the lords test India needed to take 6 wickets in 38 overs with Root batting. Immediately after test first over Bumrah bowled a spectacular over where he nailed Root. If he had survived another 10 overs game would have been draw.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Sometimes sheer impact cannot be measured with some cricinfo numbers like average, strike rate. Sometimes when you have some gun bowlers at other end you reap rewards. Timing of his wickets cannot be measured. In the lords test India needed to take 6 wickets in 38 overs with Root batting. Immediately after test first over Bumrah bowled a spectacular over where he nailed Root. If he had survived another 10 overs game would have been draw.
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Correct, but over a long period it shows up in aggregate away performance. May be not with 100% accuracy but 90% accuracy. Sure, it won't capture the example you listed, but all ATG pacers have those examples despite not taking .... let's say a 5-fers in that test. So not just unique to Bumrah.

You got to just look at top teams in any era and see who did well against them in their den. It separates the lower tier very good bowlers from genuinle ATG bowlers even if they have similar aggreagge record.
 
Buffet said:
Correct, but over a long period it shows up in aggregate away performance. May be not with 100% accuracy but 90% accuracy. Sure, it won't capture the example you listed, but all ATG pacers have those examples despite not taking .... let's say a 5-fers in that test. So not just unique to Bumrah.

You got to just look at top teams in any era and see who did well against them in their den. It separates the lower tier very good bowlers from genuinle ATG bowlers even if they have similar aggreagge record.
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One weakness for bumrah is swinging with the kookaburra ball

Notice I said kookaburra and not duke. He does get duke to swing which does swing in England after 10 overs. Although England is preparing terrible flat pitches so will be interesting to see bumrah on compelte roads. He melted England in India when he bowled on roads with his reverse swing. So he should do the same there.

Unless englund resort to ball tampering as in ball changing tactics which shouldn't go unpunished.

Basically why he struggles in nz cause he can't swing to kookaburra ball yet. Early swing.
If he can destroy aus there is no reason why he csnt destroy nz who are a worse team let's be honest.
 
Buffet said:
Atherton's comments after first test,


"He's like a nightmare, isn't he? He stutters away off about 10 yards and then unleashes these thunderbolts, usually bang on a sixpence, and he steals a yard because he releases it in front of himself more so than anybody else. What a nightmare to face," said Atherton.

Hussain said that he would sweat before facing Bumrah. “I would have been afraid to face him. Shall I go forward, or shall I stand in the crease? That would have been my thought if I had to face him. He has a slow ball, yorker, and the bouncer in his bowling arsenal,” Nasser Hussain said.

"He's the best all-format bowler in the world, bar none," Hussain added

crictoday.com

"There are some bowlers who force you to thank god for not letting you to face them": Atherton heaps praise on Australia's biggest nightmare Jasprit Bumrah

Jasprit Bumrah's impressive performance in the Perth Test against Australia earns him Player of the Match award. Experts praise his bowling skills.
crictoday.com crictoday.com

------------------------------

Maxwell's comments after first test,

“His length ball and bouncers are similar and it is really hard to pick up the difference between the two deliveries. He has the ability to bring ball in and also take it away from a batter. Bumrah is going to go down as the best fast bowler of all time but not in terms of wickets. But for the players who have batted against him as it is difficult to face him. His unique action and the ability with ball make him an exceptional bowler,” Maxwell

crictoday.com

"Bumrah will finish as best fast bowler, Jaiswal to score more than 40 Test hundreds": Glenn Maxwell makes two bold predictions

Glenn Maxwell praises Jasprit Bumrah's accuracy and predicts Jaiswal's Test career. Bumrah's unique action and skill make him a top fast bowler.
crictoday.com crictoday.com


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Wasim comments after first test,

"He is the best bowler in the world," screamed the legendary Wasim Akram in commentary seeing Bumrah inflict carnage on Australia. The former Pakistan captain's comments were echoed by his fellow commentators as former Australia cricketer Kerry O'Keefe called it "the most inspired spell of fast bowling by a captain."

Bumrah bowled six overs with the new ball and picked up three wickets for just 9 runs.


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I agree with maxwell. He has chance as quality but not quantity. In all format era, he is never going to play enough test to get lots of wickets, but it's clear that he is the best bowler in Test, ODI and T20 by a large margin.

In any era if you think about it, how many were stand out in all formats they played,

May be Mcgrath and I am struggling to name anyone else who was the best all format by a clear margin. The gap is pretty big between Bumran and second best all format bowler(whoever that bowler is right now).

He is probably the most difficult bowler to face and score due to his skills, run up and late release of ball. He has been the difference in India winning 10-12 away test and not winning.

500-600 international wickets with a huge impact and being the top dog in the Test, ODI and T20 for 10 years. Can't ask for more. Already 8 years in his career, a few more years of top performacne and he gets there. It's just silly to say that he can't be comapared to XYZ unless he takes so and so wickets in test format. You can simply compare in impact and if you had more imapct despite playing a lot less then it hardly matters.
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I saw the Hussain and Atherton section.

While Hussain said best all format bowler, Atherton went on to say he may be the best all format cricketer. Lofty praise.
 
kron said:
One weakness for bumrah is swinging with the kookaburra ball

Notice I said kookaburra and not duke. He does get duke to swing which does swing in England after 10 overs. Although England is preparing terrible flat pitches so will be interesting to see bumrah on compelte roads. He melted England in India when he bowled on roads with his reverse swing. So he should do the same there.

Unless englund resort to ball tampering as in ball changing tactics which shouldn't go unpunished.

Basically why he struggles in nz cause he can't swing to kookaburra ball yet. Early swing.
If he can destroy aus there is no reason why he csnt destroy nz who are a worse team let's be honest.
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Same Kookaburra is used in Australia and SA.

Bumrahs last NZ tour was just after his return from his first back injury. So i have hopes he will do well next year.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Same Kookaburra is used in Australia and SA.

Bumrahs last NZ tour was just after his return from his first back injury. So i have hopes he will do well next year.
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Also toss is vital in nz.

We lost all tosses there.

Win toss and BOWL

Early swing get them bundled. Then bat when it's flatter.

Unfortunately toss is out of our control
I agree same ball

But it swings a lot more and bounce is less in nz

Much less than SA and aus
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I saw the Hussain and Atherton section.

While Hussain said best all format bowler, Atherton went on to say he may be the best all format cricketer. Lofty praise.
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Right now or in general there are not many great all format players ( batsmen or bowler ). Game has become so speicalized that not many players have skills to do well in all formats. That was true even in earlier era with just two formats. Now with 3 its even harder for single player to be great in all formats.

I am struglling to name 5-6 of great all format players right now. You can give it a try and see if you can name 5-6 really great all format players playing right now. So not too hard to say that Bumrah is the best all format cricketer right now.

Due to above reasons, I don't agree with view that current era players needs to have 300-400 test wickets to be compared with earlier era. I have no issue with some one ranking players in whatever order they want but I think you can compare players with less number of test wickets now with more wickets in older era. You have to just take large enough sample size for comaparison. I won't start comparing 100 tests wickets with some one with 350 test wickets. But 200-250 test wickets can be compared with ealier era 300-350 test wickets. All players also play T20 league. For better or worse that's the reality. There are very few who play lots of tests excusively and I think it's mostly Eng players.

Short cut can be 500-600 international wickets. Not for greatness but to be compared with earlier era. I think that's plenty with players also playing T20 leagues seriously.
 
kron said:
One weakness for bumrah is swinging with the kookaburra ball
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He has swung early with Kookaburra ball as well. I think you are reading too much into NZ series. You can be coming back from injury, you can be having off day, you may get wrong luck of bowling when grass is totally dead in NZ .... So many things can hapen.

That's why it's better to see over all away and if you want to be more exclusive then over all away against top teams.
 
kron said:
Also toss is vital in nz.

We lost all tosses there.

Win toss and BOWL

Early swing get them bundled. Then bat when it's flatter.

Unfortunately toss is out of our control
I agree same ball

But it swings a lot more and bounce is less in nz

Much less than SA and aus
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NZ pitches are 10% slower than Australian pitches.
 
Buffet said:
He has swung early with Kookaburra ball as well. I think you are reading too much into NZ series. You can be coming back from injury, you can be having off day, you may get wrong luck of bowling when grass is totally dead in NZ .... So many things can hapen.

That's why it's better to see over all away and if you want to be more exclusive then over all away against top teams.
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Issue was batting once again. Even Bangladeh scored 450 runs. These guys did not cross even 250 in the 4 innings. If India had performed with bat like 2000 Australia did they would have been ATG team.
 
Buffet said:
He has swung early with Kookaburra ball as well. I think you are reading too much into NZ series. You can be coming back from injury, you can be having off day, you may get wrong luck of bowling when grass is totally dead in NZ .... So many things can hapen.

That's why it's better to see over all away and if you want to be more exclusive then over all away against top teams.
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In nz pitches are damper. Less bouncier. Variable bounce.
And more conducive to swing bowling. It's a softer pitch

Doesn't suit bumrah.

Ita more for bhoobi bhaiya ishant etc

That's why trundlers run amok there.

Jamieson isn't a trumdler but he gets crazy swing, southee etc get nice swing.
 
It’s not just Bharatiyas but people all over the world are starting to acknowledge Jasprit Bumrah is on course to retire as the greatest of all time fast bowler. Aussie, English panelists, fans are saying it and why not? Bumrah has been devastatingly impactful and the real difference maker in the most high profile test matches. If he just calls it quits today he is the greatest ever.
 
Unleashed said:
Rest of the world : Bumrah is the best in the world and amongst the best in history
PP: Asif and Amir were better than Bumrah.

Incredible.
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Yea why not
Babar better than kohli
Inzi better than Sachin
Loser like amir better than shami
Waqar better than bumrah
Yousuf better than dravid
Miandad better than gavaskar
 
Life is tough for haters. Sachin became the GOAT batter and made them salty for decades and now you have Aussies and English calling Jasprit Bumrah a fast bowling GOAT at the level of Malcolm Marshal (not evening mentioning Wasim and all in the conversation).

The genuine fan has nothing to worry about it and can just enjoy the greatness at display but for those who devote a good amount of time trying (without success) to belittle great Bharatiya cricketers, and trying to project some T20 level / steroid abusing 125 kph type bowlers as greats of any kind, this is tough life.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Life is tough for haters. Sachin became the GOAT batter and made them salty for decades and now you have Aussies and English calling Jasprit Bumrah a fast bowling GOAT at the level of Malcolm Marshal (not evening mentioning Wasim and all in the conversation).

The genuine fan has nothing to worry about it and can just enjoy the greatness at display but for those who devote a good amount of time trying (without success) to belittle great Bharatiya cricketers, and trying to project some T20 level / steroid abusing 125 kph type bowlers as greats of any kind, this is tough life.
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Tbf asif was class but not as good as portrayed.

He is not a patch on bumrah. Infact only wasim is ahead of bumrah for now. From Asia
He Is easily number 2.
 
kron said:
Tbf asif was class but not as good as portrayed.

He is not a patch on bumrah. Infact only wasim is ahead of bumrah for now. From Asia
He Is easily number 2.
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Bumrah is ahead of Wasim because I just realized recently that when it really comes to GOAT discussion the major nations are always going to put you up against Malcolm Marshal.

Ever since Bumrah entered the GOAT debate, I hear more about Marshal, Steyn, Ambrose, McGrath etc and less about Wasim, Anderson.

Wasim is overrated because he is an active commentator.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bumrah is ahead of Wasim because I just realized recently that when it really comes to GOAT discussion the major nations are always going to put you up against Malcolm Marshal.

Ever since Bumrah entered the GOAT debate, I hear more about Marshal, Steyn, Ambrose, McGrath etc and less about Wasim, Anderson.

Wasim is overrated because he is an active commentator.
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fair enough. i know bumrah would average 15 if he played in 90s in bowling friendly era. can you imagine bumrah playing for west indies on those treacherous pitches lmao
10 would be possible.
 
Steve Smith while talking to a local media outlet:

“From the start of his [Jasprit Bumrah] run-up, it’s just all awkward.”

“The way he runs in is different to pretty much anyone else, then the last bit of his action is different. I’ve faced him a reasonable amount now, and each time you face him it takes a few balls just to get the rhythm of it in a way."

“He releases the ball closer to you than any other bowler, just the way he does it. So maybe it rushes you a bit more than you think, and it’s just an awkward action.”

“Put that together with his skill set—he swings it both ways, he can nip it off the seam, he can reverse it, got a good slower ball, a good bouncer—he’s pretty much the complete package as a bowler.”
 
mb3407 said:
Goat recognising goat
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Actually lot of payers who faced him who have seen him upclose mentioned the difficulty of facing him. Only in Indian conditions on certain pitches you can handle him not all the pitches. On fast pitches he is going to be a handful.
 
Former Australian pacer Damien Fleming during an interview with local media outlet:

“He [Jasprit Bumrah] is always planning his next move against the batters. Not only does he have a lot of variations in his bowling arsenal, but he also executes them to perfection.”

“Run-up gives 60 percent speed to a bowler, and 40 percent comes from bowling action. But Bumrah is different as he gets 30 percent speed from his run-up and 70 percent from his action. When you face Brett Lee, Waqar Younis, or Shoaib Akhtar, you know they will ball quick, and you end up playing the ball."

“But when you bat against the likes of Wasim Akram, Jeff Thomson, or Bumrah, you are not prepared because the run-up is short and you don’t know what you are going to get from them.”
 
FearlessRoar said:
Steve Smith while talking to a local media outlet:


“He releases the ball closer to you than any other bowler, just the way he does it. So maybe it rushes you a bit more than you think, and it’s just an awkward action.”

“Put that together with his skill set—he swings it both ways, he can nip it off the seam, he can reverse it, got a good slower ball, a good bouncer—he’s pretty much the complete package as a bowler.”
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Yah, Smith is the best 3 batsman to play in the last 30 years. He is having the same issue as everyone else due to Bumrah being a complte packsge as a bowler and facing him is even harder due to his late realease which results in ball comes at you quicker.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Actually lot of payers who faced him who have seen him upclose mentioned the difficulty of facing him. Only in Indian conditions on certain pitches you can handle him not all the pitches. On fast pitches he is going to be a handful.
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On Indian pitches or abrasive Asian pitches you need mo shami and umesh. Deadly duo
 
Buffet said:
Yah, Smith is the best 3 batsman to play in the last 30 years. He is having the same issue as everyone else due to Bumrah being a complte packsge as a bowler and facing him is even harder due to his late realease which results in ball comes at you quicker.
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For me smith is goat batsman. At his peak I haven't seen anyone better.
 
Mohammed Siraj via ICC:

"I always keep talking to Jassi bhai (Bumrah). Even before the first match, I spoke with him about what I was going through. He just told me one thing: "Don’t run after wickets. Just keep bowling consistently in one area and enjoy your bowling. If you still don’t get wickets, then you come ask me." So I enjoyed my bowling, and I got wickets as well."
 
Rickey Ponting stated on the ICC review:

“I think he [Jasprit Bumrah] is definitely India’s greatest fast bowler."

"A lot of the greats before him didn’t play all three formats as much as he has."

"In T20 cricket, one-day cricket, and Test match cricket, he’s clearly the best right now.”
 
Jasprit Bumrah is the third Indian pacer to take 50+ wickets in a calendar year in Tests

Indian pacers to take 50+ wickets in a calendar year in Tests

Kapil Dev - 1979 & 1983
Zaheer Khan - 2002
Jasprit Bumrah - 2024
 
Indian middle order has missed out on a great chance of cashing in.
 
He is a quality bowler but Indian fans have made him sit on their heads because for obvious reasons.

Prior to Bumrah, their best ever fast bowlers weren’t even good enough to carry drinks and towels for an all-time D XI.

India is by far the least talented cricket nation ever when it comes to pace bowling. Their pace bowling legacy is a joke - Bumrah is just an anomaly and normal business will resume when he retires.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a quality bowler but Indian fans have made him sit on their heads because for obvious reasons.

Prior to Bumrah, their best ever fast bowlers weren’t even good enough to carry drinks and towels for an all-time D XI.

India is by far the least talented cricket nation ever when it comes to pace bowling. Their pace bowling legacy is a joke - Bumrah is just an anomaly and normal business will resume when he retires.
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Sri Lanka is worse
 
Bumrah is again bowled a fantastic spell in Aus.

15 overs - 23 runs and 3 wickets in this test so far.
 
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