[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Mohammad Amir - a failed career?

[Saj]

Listed as age 31 today.

He has played 36 Tests, 61 ODIs and 50 T20Is.

When he came into the international scene he was regarded as the new Wasim Akram by many. Initially he showed great promise, skill and continuous improvement. He was one of Pakistan cricket's golden boys and a cricketer who was regarded around the world as a potential superstar.

He was a key member of the 2009 T20 World Cup winning squad. All was rosy and the future looked bright for the young man from Gujjar Khan.

However the spot-fixing saga put paid to his reputation and meant that for nearly 5 years he was side-lined from cricket.

His return to international cricket after his ban was for many the return of the once heralded prince, for others his return was not required.

Since returning to international cricket he helped Pakistan win the 2017 Champions Trophy where he blew away the Indian top-order in the blink of an eye. His fans reminded others of his skills and capability as a bowler, but some were still annoyed that he was even in the Pakistan side given the events leading up to his ban.

However in recent times his career has nosedived - retirements, an uneasy relationship with the PCB especially Ramiz Raja and a reluctance to make himself available for international cricket. He has in-effect become a T20 specialist, making a living from playing in various leagues around the world.

So what could and should have been a career to celebrate has in-effect become a career that has fallen short of expectations and has meant that he has fallen out of favour with Pakistan fans.

Do you think his career has failed?

Will he always have a soft sport for you given his performances at the 2009 T20 World Cup and 2017 Champions Trophy?

 

[Mamoon]

You can’t have failed career when you have played a starring role in two ICC tournament finals. Without Amir, Pakistan would have probably lost both finals.

Nevertheless, it is true that he has had an unfulfilled career. He should have reached the heights of Wasim and ended up with 700+ international wickets.

A disappointing ending to a career that promised so much. He was destined to be a legend.

 

[Savak]

You can’t have failed career when you have played a starring role in two ICC tournament finals. Without Amir, Pakistan would have probably lost both finals.

Nevertheless, it is true that he has had an unfulfilled career. He should have reached the heights of Wasim and ended up with 700+ international wickets.

A disappointing ending to a career that promised so much. He was destined to be a legend.

Lol at reaching the heights of Wasim, there is no should have in Cricket, you either have it and you do it or you don't. Amir was never good enough, this game is all about longevity and consistent match winning performances over 10-15 years.

 

[CricVet]

Lol at reaching the heights of Wasim, there is no should have in Cricket, you either have it and you do it or you don't. Amir was never good enough, this game is all about longevity and consistent match winning performances over 10-15 years.

He was good enough to achieve what Waseem did. I do understand that if he did not for his own inept behavior, it is a moot point to discuss.

 

[topspin]

As mentioned by Mamoon, it can't be a failed career when you've won Pakistan 2 x ICC tournaments.

A good example of a failed career would be Misbah with his 2011 Mohali show.

 

[hitthestump]

Amir has clear traits of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).

His career panned out as expected.

Even if he got away with spot fixing he would certainly have experienced major problems in some other way and fallen out with whoever was in charge at the time.

Amir is only interested in himself, his pocket and his ego.

There is no possible way he'd have had a career like Wasim Akram. A guy like Amir was mainly destined for controversy, trouble and drama with sparks of brilliance in between.

 

[Rana]

Short Career

Magnificent achievements in White ball. Respect

 

[PakEngFan]

As much as I don’t like amir for the obvious reason. I can’t deny that fact he played a major role in our 2 icc trophies. Players play cricket way longer than what amir did but they still won’t achieve what amir did.

I will still say a career wasted as he could have finished as one of the greats of the game.

 

[MenInG]

As mentioned by Mamoon, it can't be a failed career when you've won Pakistan 2 x ICC tournaments.

A good example of a failed career would be Misbah with his 2011 Mohali show.

You mean the guy who gave your country respect when Amir Mian decided to sell his country for a few dollars?

 

[ElRaja]

big match player with a terrible entitlement issue. still amazing to think he bookended 5 years of no professional cricket with two icc trophies.

amir pre ban is still one of the best young talents ive seen, post band apart from a few glimmers of excellence the lack of whip in his bowling made him easy for top players to play.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol at reaching the heights of Wasim, there is no should have in Cricket, you either have it and you do it or you don't. Amir was never good enough, this game is all about longevity and consistent match winning performances over 10-15 years.

Everything is not black and white. It is a very simplistic way of looking at things. There are so many factors that can influence whether a player fulfills his potential or not.

Amir had the ability to be a legendary fast bowler but circumstances and his own attitude problems got the better of him. Anyway, it is time to move on from him.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Failed no.

Unfulfilled yes.

He had the potential to be a GOAT but is perhaps one of the few players in the history of the game to ruin his career twice.

 

[Bewal Express]

In 2010 I was in PK and the distance between Bewal and Changa bangiyal is a few miles. I asked my late uncle to take me and my son to his village. We were so proud that one of our locals became one of the best in the World. When I got back to the UK, the NOTW broke the story that broke our hearts.

A career that should have broken records and left a legacy, turned out to be damp squib tainted with humiliation and jail. It amazes me how stupid this guy is- it's not as if he didn't know what fixing was, it was a problem that had plagued PK cricket since the early 90s and so when Majid Majeed and Butt came to him, surely he would have run mile from these crooks. Instead he brought into criminality and destroyed his own career. As I have written on here before, he looks angry but he should look in the mirror and blame what he sees in the reflection.

 

[hafizexpress]

Definitely not a failed career. Some blind haters would make it out to be. He didn't live up to his potential, but his greatness can be seen from his impact in even the little that he played. 2 ICC trophies to Pakistan thanks to his contributions.

Very unfortunate that he's not at the top of the world. Should have been the bowler equivalent to what Kohli the batsman is for India. Only bowler to have 50 test wickets before even the age of 19 is insane. But alas, a huge misfortune.

 

[Hitman]

Even a sensible 12 year old would have the wisdom to not do what he did at Lords. It's just a ploy used by him to garner sympathy that Salman Butt forced him into it. A 17 year old (although it's obvious he fudged his age) would know the implications of getting into something as heinous as match fixing.

 

[corleone]

You can’t have failed career when you have played a starring role in two ICC tournament finals. Without Amir, Pakistan would have probably lost both finals.

Nevertheless, it is true that he has had an unfulfilled career. He should have reached the heights of Wasim and ended up with 700+ international wickets.

A disappointing ending to a career that promised so much. He was destined to be a legend.

Your insight is always a joy to read and a breath of fresh air. However I must admit, I do recall in a previous thread you had stated that Amir was quite overrated and had only really performed on green wickets, and he would have nowhere near the career Asif should have had. Nevertheless, I have never seen the havoc teenage Amir caused to batting orders by any youngster, and no doubt with age and natural progression, muscle memory, bowling smarts etc he would have only gotten quicker and more effective.

 

[Major]

You can’t have failed career when you have played a starring role in two ICC tournament finals. Without Amir, Pakistan would have probably lost both finals.

Nevertheless, it is true that he has had an unfulfilled career. He should have reached the heights of Wasim and ended up with 700+ international wickets.

A disappointing ending to a career that promised so much. He was destined to be a legend.

Bro, both finals, our batting won us.

Hasan Ali and Junaid khan played a bigger role in champions trophy. Amirs role is over rated by the fans.....

had it not been for Fakhar Zaman, we would had not won.

 

[Major]

Yup a failed career, and I am glad it was a failed one.

There is a theory that people don't change, only the situation changes, people stay the same. Amir was no different. When he was involved in spot fixing, the guy was 20-21 years old at the time, and was a full adult involved in selling out his country. His contributions in an ICC tournament means nothing if 9 months later you are going to sell it out just to make some money off a few no balls.

When he was first caught, that one statement that he gave really annoyed my dad. Amir said that he was being punished for bowling just a no ball and I remember my dad was so angry with this statement, that he said he isnt being banned for a no ball he is being banned for the corruption and illegal money he took to bowl that no ball.

He faked his age, got away with everything. He even ended up in a juvenile center. Him and his lawyer (who is his wife), made a mockery of UK's justice system. Than again, wherever you have a Pakistani, they will exploit the system. A 20-21 year old was locked up with juveniles instead of being taken to a proper prison. He got away with lying twice. Not once, but twice.

After which, there was no need for him to be added back in the team, but the likes of Sethi had other plans and bought this guy in. Misbah, Hafeez and Azhar Ali were right, that people that sold the country for a few bucks shouldn't be in the team. But PCB did not care.

Eventually what we would learn is that the only reason why Amir tried to revive his career with Pakistan was so that he could end up touring England, get a visa through PCB, which would make his travelling to UK easier. As he had a committed a crime in the UK, travelling to UK would had been an issue for him, but once he got to go back as an official representative, that grey area cleared up. It was no coincidence that once he was able to enter into the UK through PCB's influence, thats when he started to tell PCB that he will only play in SENA grounds and wont even play Test cricket.

This is where Shoaib Akhtar and Shahid Afridi say about Aamir that you need to be thankful that God was kind enough to give you a second life. A second life back into cricket meant that you now owe to Pakistan cricket. You sold it out, now its time to play in the team with dignity and respect. Akhtar says that Aamir owned a debt to Pakistan, and I agree to this. I never liked Amir, but had this guy shown remorse and quietly played for the nation, I might have forgave him.

Thing is, Amir never even showed any remorse. He never admitted on camera that he did a crime, he never asked forgiveness from his fans for what he did. I used to wake up at 8 in the morning, skip school, just to watch that 2010 England Series. It boils my blood that this guy ruined the integrity of the whole game. It was such an insulting matter that the likes of Indian cricketers were calling for a full closet ban of Pakistan cricket. Thats how much shame this guy bought and he showed 0 remorse.

Aamir acts as if it was NOTW's fault that they caught him. He acts as if PCB did not help him and shouldnt had been caught. Never once has the guy asked for forgiveness. When he talks about the ban, he doesnt call it a ban, but says when I was a way from cricket, as if he was on vacation. He doesnt even take responsibility of what he did.

And after doing all this, this guy had audacity to point fingers at Misbah ul Haq and Waqar Younis. Claiming that they are damaging Pakistan cricket. A person who was caught spot fixing made such statements. The coaches took alot of hate, and fans trusted Aamir.

But guess what, when Misbah and co left the team management, did Aamir said he would take his retirement back? No he did not. He wanted Rameez Raja to do what that fool Wasim Khan did. Go begging to the house of a person who sold out his country and beg him to take his retirement back. Aamir even insulted Wasim Khan by saying that next week he aint coming back. Thus, that proved the issue wasn't Misbah's sportsman fitness regime, but it was Aamir himself. He wanted to live in UK and only play franchise cricket, so he decided to use the most respectable person in Pakistan cricket as a scape goat.

Aamirs love of money never went away, he didnt change, and plus, he still had no self respect that he tried to put blame on Misbah for his career.

Im glad the way his career ended. The Pakistani fans that defended him comeback now understand that a person who sells out can never change. Fans started to call him a fixer again when he decided to walkover the country again.

He will always be remembered as the guy who walked over his country twice just for easy money.

 

[Major]

Amir has clear traits of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).

His career panned out as expected.

Even if he got away with spot fixing he would certainly have experienced major problems in some other way and fallen out with whoever was in charge at the time.

Amir is only interested in himself, his pocket and his ego.

There is no possible way he'd have had a career like Wasim Akram. A guy like Amir was mainly destined for controversy, trouble and drama with sparks of brilliance in between.

Short and crisp. POTW.

If Aamir was not caught, he would had eventually had falling out. He was destined for controversy.

Like a guy who spot fixed and sold out his country, had the audacity to walk over Pakistan again. That is what baffles me till this day

 

[Major]

In 2010 I was in PK and the distance between Bewal and Changa bangiyal is a few miles. I asked my late uncle to take me and my son to his village. We were so proud that one of our locals became one of the best in the World. When I got back to the UK, the NOTW broke the story that broke our hearts.

A career that should have broken records and left a legacy, turned out to be damp squib tainted with humiliation and jail. It amazes me how stupid this guy is- it's not as if he didn't know what fixing was, it was a problem that had plagued PK cricket since the early 90s and so when Majid Majeed and Butt came to him, surely he would have run mile from these crooks. Instead he brought into criminality and destroyed his own career. As I have written on here before, he looks angry but he should look in the mirror and blame what he sees in the reflection.

I understand. Even I felt proud that Rawalpindi has ended up producing 3 bowlers, Sohail Tanver, Akhtar and Amir.

I still cant forget that evening when NOTW reports were coming in, it was shamefull.

Whats funny is, Aamir has spoken more against Rameez Raja, Misbah and Waqar and less against Salman Butt and Asif.....

 

[Mamoon]

Bro, both finals, our batting won us.

Hasan Ali and Junaid khan played a bigger role in champions trophy. Amirs role is over rated by the fans.....

had it not been for Fakhar Zaman, we would had not won.

Amir was carried into the Champions Trophy final by other bowlers. It is true. However, in the final he did play a very crucial role.

The match was set up by the batsmen but if there was one team that could have chased that total, it was India. Their top 3 was at their peak and Kohli, the greatest chaser of all time, was also at the peak of his powers.

Had India found themselves 100-1 in 15 overs, which they did in that era 9 out of 10 times, Pakistan could have bottled that match on that flat wicket.

Amir broke India’s back by getting rid of the top 3 inside the first few overs.

In the 2009 final, he outclassed Dilshan in the first over and got him for a duck after four dot balls. Sri Lanka were never able to get going from that point and did not have any sort of momentum.

Dilshan was by far the best batsman of the tournament. He was in brutal form and had he batted for a substantial period of time, he could have taken the game away from Pakistan.

Amir played massive roles in two ICC tournament finals. That cannot be taken away from him. The only player in Pakistan history who has done it. It is an undeniable fact.

 

[Mamoon]

Your insight is always a joy to read and a breath of fresh air. However I must admit, I do recall in a previous thread you had stated that Amir was quite overrated and had only really performed on green wickets, and he would have nowhere near the career Asif should have had. Nevertheless, I have never seen the havoc teenage Amir caused to batting orders by any youngster, and no doubt with age and natural progression, muscle memory, bowling smarts etc he would have only gotten quicker and more effective.

Thank you for the compliments, I am very grateful for the appreciation. I would like to see the context of my post because Asif was a more condition-dependent bowler between the two because of his lack of pace.

There were many instances where he was unable to take wickets on flat pitches but kept it tight due to his control. Amir did have his moments on flat pitches, for example the 5 wicket haul at the MCG in the first Test in 2009.

Asif was a genius with the new ball though. He was virtually unplayable in slightly helpful conditions. He was like an upgraded version of Anderson.

Amir-Asif combo should have been amongst the most prolific in Test cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

Mediocre test career so the answer is failed career.

T20 World Cups and Champions Trophy win don't count much really otherwise Sarfaraz would have been equivalent to MSD.

 

[Major]

Amir was carried into the Champions Trophy final by other bowlers. It is true. However, in the final he did play a very crucial role.

The match was set up by the batsmen but if there was one team that could have chased that total, it was India. Their top 3 was at their peak and Kohli, the greatest chaser of all time, was also at the peak of his powers.

Had India found themselves 100-1 in 15 overs, which they did in that era 9 out of 10 times, Pakistan could have bottled that match on that flat wicket.

Amir broke India’s back by getting rid of the top 3 inside the first few overs.

In the 2009 final, he outclassed Dilshan in the first over and got him for a duck after four dot balls. Sri Lanka were never able to get going from that point and did not have any sort of momentum.

Dilshan was by far the best batsman of the tournament. He was in brutal form and had he batted for a substantial period of time, he could have taken the game away from Pakistan.

Amir played massive roles in two ICC tournament finals. That cannot be taken away from him. The only player in Pakistan history who has done it. It is an undeniable fact.

thats ifs and buts. Junaid Khan was bowling well that day, Hasan Ali got Dhoni out. The only reason we were playing the final was because of Hasan Ali.

Fakhar Zaman was the real hero of that game. Had it not been for the 338, the game was done and dusted. India had the score card pressure, plus the attack of Hasan ali, Junaid and Shadab.

Till this day, we see Amir getting talked about, while people seem to forget the batting heroics of Fakhar, Azhar and Hafeez

 

[Ab Fan]

Mediocre test career so the answer is failed career.

T20 World Cups and Champions Trophy win don't count much really otherwise Sarfaraz would have been equivalent to MSD.

^

And Fakhar Zaman would have been Gilchrist.

 

[Suleiman]

Unfulfilled promise just like Mohammad Asif, Abdul Razzaq, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Akmal and to a lesser extent Sharjeel Khan.

Pakistan has quite the ability to not fully develop quite a few once in a generation talents since the late 90s. It’s pretty alarming that it’s this big of a list. Shows how pathetic and chaotic PCB is, they wouldn’t see a golden opportunity if it hit them in the face.

All the players listed above either fixed and/or were consumed by their egos and stopped developing after a certain point.

To Amir’s credit he at least played a starring role in 2 major finals. Only Afridi in that list did something in 1 final. Rest didn’t leave much in terms of actual major victories at the tournament stage.

 

[Suleiman]

thats ifs and buts. Junaid Khan was bowling well that day, Hasan Ali got Dhoni out. The only reason we were playing the final was because of Hasan Ali.

Fakhar Zaman was the real hero of that game. Had it not been for the 338, the game was done and dusted. India had the score card pressure, plus the attack of Hasan ali, Junaid and Shadab.

Till this day, we see Amir getting talked about, while people seem to forget the batting heroics of Fakhar, Azhar and Hafeez

This past t20 game Vs india showed the importance of a clutch bowler who doesn’t buckle under pressure.

160 was a match winning total on that 1000m each side MCG golf course. The final only further proved that.

Kohli was not going to chase that down unless he was helped generously. Haris Rauf had a mental breakdown and so did Nawaz. Plus, an injured Shaheen Afridi operating at 50%

A bowler like Amir from 2009 or 2017 would’ve held his nerve and denied India the game.

So no, if Amir hadn’t made quick work of the Indian top order in that CT game, and Kohli being who he was back then, a lot of things could’ve went differently.

 

[Major]

This past t20 game Vs india showed the importance of a clutch bowler who doesn’t buckle under pressure.

160 was a match winning total on that 1000m each side MCG golf course. The final only further proved that.

Kohli was not going to chase that down unless he was helped generously. Haris Rauf had a mental breakdown and so did Nawaz. Plus, an injured Shaheen Afridi operating at 50%

A bowler like Amir from 2009 or 2017 would’ve held his nerve and denied India the game.

So no, if Amir hadn’t made quick work of the Indian top order in that CT game, and Kohli being who he was back then, a lot of things could’ve went differently.

nope. We lost that game due to bad captaincy.

Had babar used part timers earlier, and not done the usual attack in powerplay, we would had have leverage.

Sometimes, you dont need to open the bolwing with Naseem and Shaheen, and get someone like Khushdil or some other part timer to bowl so that your over qoutas are fulfilled.

Babar is messing up the over qoutas, he ends up placing pressure on his own team.

Pakistan was never going to lose a 338 run final. so plz. Fakhar was given the man of the match, rightly so

 

[Suleiman]

nope. We lost that game due to bad captaincy.

Had babar used part timers earlier, and not done the usual attack in powerplay, we would had have leverage.

Sometimes, you dont need to open the bolwing with Naseem and Shaheen, and get someone like Khushdil or some other part timer to bowl so that your over qoutas are fulfilled.

Babar is messing up the over qoutas, he ends up placing pressure on his own team.

Pakistan was never going to lose a 338 run final. so plz. Fakhar was given the man of the match, rightly so

Not a fan of Babar’s captaincy, and he could’ve rotated the bowlers better, but Haris did lose the plot, Shaheen wasn’t fully fit, and Nawaz had a breakdown in the final over as well. Multiple no ball full tosses like that is a panic attack. You absolute need a bowler who can hold his nerve.

You’re underestimating Amir’s role in that CT game. Nobody is denying Fakhar played a fantastic knock. Not sure why you’re so hung up on his motm lol, no one is trying to snatch it away and give it to Amir. They both played their role in the match marvelously.

 

[daytrader]

As mentioned by Mamoon, it can't be a failed career when you've won Pakistan 2 x ICC tournaments.

A good example of a failed career would be Misbah with his 2011 Mohali show.

If Amir and co didn't get involved in spot fixing your bane of existence Misbah wouldn't have even been in the team

 

[Mamoon]

thats ifs and buts. Junaid Khan was bowling well that day, Hasan Ali got Dhoni out. The only reason we were playing the final was because of Hasan Ali.

Fakhar Zaman was the real hero of that game. Had it not been for the 338, the game was done and dusted. India had the score card pressure, plus the attack of Hasan ali, Junaid and Shadab.

Till this day, we see Amir getting talked about, while people seem to forget the batting heroics of Fakhar, Azhar and Hafeez

That is not ifs and buts because it is a fact. It actually happened.

Amir did reduce India to 33-3 in 9 overs by taking down the top three on his own with a spell of 6 overs, 16 runs and 3 wickets. It was a spell for the ages.

Your assessment that Pakistan would have defended the total without Amir playing or if India would have had a flying start is ifs and buts. Anything that has actually happened cannot be ifs and buts.

Praising Amir’s performance in the two finals doesn’t mean downplaying the performance of others. No one said that Amir won those matches single-handedly.

In 2009, Afridi, Razzaq, Kamran and Malik played key roles as well and in 2017, Fakhar, Azhar and Hafeez set up the game in the first innings.

However, when it comes to Pakistan’s bowling, it was a singlehanded effort because Amir broke India’s back and they could never recover from that burst.

People do not need to like Amir. He is a fixer with a terrible attitude and it is time to move on from him. However, none of that changes the fact that he has played starting roles in two of the three trophies Pakistan has won in its history and he is the only player in Pakistan history to have produced a brilliant performance in two tournament finals.

Downplaying this achievement shows bitterness. One should have the capacity to respect the achievements of someone regardless of how they feel about that person overall.

 

[Rana]

That is not ifs and buts because it is a fact. It actually happened.

Amir did reduce India to 33-3 in 9 overs by taking down the top three on his own with a spell of 6 overs, 16 runs and 3 wickets. It was a spell for the ages.

Your assessment that Pakistan would have defended the total without Amir playing or if India would have had a flying start is ifs and buts. Anything that has actually happened cannot be ifs and buts.

Praising Amir’s performance in the two finals doesn’t mean downplaying the performance of others. No one said that Amir won those matches single-handedly.

In 2009, Afridi, Razzaq, Kamran and Malik played key roles as well and in 2017, Fakhar, Azhar and Hafeez set up the game in the first innings.

However, when it comes to Pakistan’s bowling, it was a singlehanded effort because Amir broke India’s back and they could never recover from that burst.

People do not need to like Amir. He is a fixer with a terrible attitude and it is time to move on from him. However, none of that changes the fact that he has played starting roles in two of the three trophies Pakistan has won in its history and he is the only player in Pakistan history to have produced a brilliant performance in two tournament finals.

Downplaying this achievement shows bitterness. One should have the capacity to respect the achievements of someone regardless of how they feel about that person overall.

Great post

Post of the week.

Not that I care about Pakistan cricket and it’s fans anymore. We don’t deserve the truth. We don’t deserve honesty anymore

 

[Major]

That is not ifs and buts because it is a fact. It actually happened.

Amir did reduce India to 33-3 in 9 overs by taking down the top three on his own with a spell of 6 overs, 16 runs and 3 wickets. It was a spell for the ages.

Your assessment that Pakistan would have defended the total without Amir playing or if India would have had a flying start is ifs and buts. Anything that has actually happened cannot be ifs and buts.

Praising Amir’s performance in the two finals doesn’t mean downplaying the performance of others. No one said that Amir won those matches single-handedly.

In 2009, Afridi, Razzaq, Kamran and Malik played key roles as well and in 2017, Fakhar, Azhar and Hafeez set up the game in the first innings.

However, when it comes to Pakistan’s bowling, it was a singlehanded effort because Amir broke India’s back and they could never recover from that burst.

People do not need to like Amir. He is a fixer with a terrible attitude and it is time to move on from him. However, none of that changes the fact that he has played starting roles in two of the three trophies Pakistan has won in its history and he is the only player in Pakistan history to have produced a brilliant performance in two tournament finals.

Downplaying this achievement shows bitterness. One should have the capacity to respect the achievements of someone regardless of how they feel about that person overall.

you make sense, i agree with you. but i just hate amir and cant give him credit for anything

 

[asfandyar]

Article #24, Section #81 of Pakistani history states "everything good coming out of Pakistan will eventually turn into our worst nightmare."

 

[Zaz]

Of course its a failed unfufilled career

I mean he shoudve had 400 test wickets if he had any sense

Hes made mistakes after mistakes Hen nowhere close now to the best bowlers pakistan has produced His record is medicore to avge

 

[Gullycricket]

Easypaisa Amir thought people will fall at his feet begging him to return. However he forgot this is not 2015

 

[moghul]

Failed career, really ??
He has won us CT and a WC. Not many with "successful" career can claim that.

Its extremely hard to make a come back when you have been banned for 5 years for any level of cricket at a very young age but to his credit he managed to win another ICC trophy for his country.

He could have been handled better.

After Waqar and Wasim , he was supposed to be the next great fastman from Pakistan with potential to have at least 10 years of all format career, but not to be , definitely a promised unfulfilled . As a keen follower of the game I always will be thankful to him for giving me two of the happiest days of my life .

 

[msb314]

thats ifs and buts. Junaid Khan was bowling well that day, Hasan Ali got Dhoni out. The only reason we were playing the final was because of Hasan Ali.

Fakhar Zaman was the real hero of that game. Had it not been for the 338, the game was done and dusted. India had the score card pressure, plus the attack of Hasan ali, Junaid and Shadab.

Till this day, we see Amir getting talked about, while people seem to forget the batting heroics of Fakhar, Azhar and Hafeez

I am with Mamoon on this one. Indias top 3 were in insane form back in 2017 and certainly not going to fear Junaid, Shadab and Hassan.

Yes Hassan did get a 38 year old Dhoni but the game was done by the time he came to bat - they had already given up..

Junaid was already getting hit in the PP despite Amir building up pressure on the other end.

And Shadab did get Yuvraj but also got carted by Hardik. That was his only contribution to the final.

 

[Major]

I am with Mamoon on this one. Indias top 3 were in insane form back in 2017 and certainly not going to fear Junaid, Shadab and Hassan.

Yes Hassan did get a 38 year old Dhoni but the game was done by the time he came to bat - they had already given up..

Junaid was already getting hit in the PP despite Amir building up pressure on the other end.

And Shadab did get Yuvraj but also got carted by Hardik. That was his only contribution to the final.

Kohli was Junaids bunny. Hassan was the top wicket taker and player of the tournament. Shadab bowled really well until he met Dandya

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

2 ICC trophy wins with key performances. For his potential, yes he has not achieved what he should have done. Should have been a ICC hall of famer.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Lol at reaching the heights of Wasim, there is no should have in Cricket, you either have it and you do it or you don't. Amir was never good enough, this game is all about longevity and consistent match winning performances over 10-15 years.

Wasim can still swing the ball more than Amir despite having retired 20 years ago.

 

[Ab Fan]

Amir ended up basically at same level as Irfan Pathan.

Pathan was the standout Indian bowler in T20 World Cup 2007 and won us the memorable Perth Test which is among India's best overseas victory before Gabba 2020 happened.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Failed career, really ??
He has won us CT and a WC. Not many with "successful" career can claim that.

Its extremely hard to make a come back when you have been banned for 5 years for any level of cricket at a very young age but to his credit he managed to win another ICC trophy for his country.

He could have been handled better.

After Waqar and Wasim , he was supposed to be the next great fastman from Pakistan with potential to have at least 10 years of all format career, but not to be , definitely a promised unfulfilled . As a keen follower of the game I always will be thankful to him for giving me two of the happiest days of my life .

Guess Ahmed Shehzad is also a successful crickter. A Two time ICC tournament winner.

 

[Suleiman]

Amir ended up basically at same level as Irfan Pathan.

Pathan was the standout Indian bowler in T20 World Cup 2007 and won us the memorable Perth Test which is among India's best overseas victory before Gabba 2020 happened.

Good comparison at the end of the day.

Tbf Irfan also had a ton of potential to do far greater than he actually ended up doing. I think the same of Zaheer Khan.

Irfan, Amir, Zaheer, punched below their weight.

 

[Major]

after the imad and babar interview, both Imad and Amir have unfollowed each other on Instagram.

Amir did it first, than Imad.

Amir is a loser

 

[daytrader]

after the imad and babar interview, both Imad and Amir have unfollowed each other on Instagram.

Amir did it first, than Imad.

Amir is a loser

Not sure if they followed each other before but as things stand

 

[Major]

Not sure if they followed each other before but as things stand

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they did )

Amir is sooo petty, and so is imad.

Thats why i hate them both

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli was Junaids bunny

There is no need of being so desperate. Yes you hate Amir but you don’t need to clutch at straws.

Getting out to Junaid 3 times in a series when he was going through a lean patch, Junaid was in great form and the pitches were conductive for bowling doesn’t make Kohli his bunny.

A batsman is a bowler’s bunny when he gets out to him numerous times over multiple series over the years.

The entire team can be a single player’s bunny too. For example, Kohli owns Pakistan. No player has single-handedly won as many matches against a single team as Kohli has against Pakistan during the course of his career.

This is one of the major reasons why he is so loved and respected here. More so than any Indian cricketer in history and I doubt if anyone would be able to top his popularity in Pakistan in the future.

Kohli and Junaid only played once after that series in 2012-13 and he got out to Gul in that game (Asia Cup 2014).

Considering how their careers went in different directions after the 2012-13 series, Kohli would probably average 100+ against Junaid if they were facing off regularly.

Anyway, there is no point of ifs and buts. The fact is that Amir dismantled India’s top 3 and finished off whatever chance they had.

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that he made the victory a lot more emphatic and he gave Pakistani fans a lot more joy and made the occasion a lot more memorable.

Had India gone off to a flying start maybe Pakistan would have still won, but it would have been a close affair and the fans would have been very nervous throughout the match.

Some of them were even getting nervous when Pandya was hitting sixes at will even though India was a million miles away from the target, such was the occasion and the gravity of the situation.

The Champions Trophy was an emphatic, historic win not just because Pakistan beat India but more so because it was by 180 runs - the largest margin of victory ever in an ICC tournament final, and this was only achieved because Amir took apart their top 3 in his opening spell.

Without Amir doing what he did, India would have probably scored around 300 and it would have been a respectable loss. Amir made sure India got nothing out of that game. This is a fact that you cannot deny regardless of how much you hate him.

You are acting like those Misbah haters who would not give him credit for anything and will downplay every achievement.

 

[Major]

There is no need of being so desperate. Yes you hate Amir but you don’t need to clutch at straws.

Getting out to Junaid 3 times in a series when he was going through a lean patch, Junaid was in great form and the pitches were conductive for bowling doesn’t make Kohli his bunny.

A batsman is a bowler’s bunny when he gets out to him numerous times over multiple series over the years.

The entire team can be a single player’s bunny too. For example, Kohli owns Pakistan. No player has single-handedly won as many matches against a single team as Kohli has against Pakistan during the course of his career.

This is one of the major reasons why he is so loved and respected here. More so than any Indian cricketer in history and I doubt if anyone would be able to top his popularity in Pakistan in the future.

Kohli and Junaid only played once after that series in 2012-13 and he got out to Gul in that game (Asia Cup 2014).

Considering how their careers went in different directions after the 2012-13 series, Kohli would probably average 100+ against Junaid if they were facing off regularly.

Anyway, there is no point of ifs and buts. The fact is that Amir dismantled India’s top 3 and finished off whatever chance they had.

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that he made the victory a lot more emphatic and he gave Pakistani fans a lot more joy and made the occasion a lot more memorable.

Had India gone off to a flying start maybe Pakistan would have still won, but it would have been a close affair and the fans would have been very nervous throughout the match.

Some of them were even getting nervous when Pandya was hitting sixes at will even though India was a million miles away from the target, such was the occasion and the gravity of the situation.

The Champions Trophy was an emphatic, historic win not just because Pakistan beat India but more so because it was by 180 runs - the largest margin of victory ever in an ICC tournament final, and this was only achieved because Amir took apart their top 3 in his opening spell.

Without Amir doing what he did, India would have probably scored around 300 and it would have been a respectable loss. Amir made sure India got nothing out of that game. This is a fact that you cannot deny regardless of how much you hate him.

You are acting like those Misbah haters who would not give him credit for anything and will downplay every achievement.

bro i agree with all you have said.

I just hate the guy cause he sold the nation out once and backstabbed the country again when he was given another chance.

 

[Mamoon]

Guess Ahmed Shehzad is also a successful crickter. A Two time ICC tournament winner.

What was Shehzad’s role in the two finals?

 

[Mamoon]

bro i agree with all you have said.

I just hate the guy cause he sold the nation out once and backstabbed the country again when he was given another chance.

If you hate him then just say it without saying things that hurt your credibility as a poster. That is what you have done in this thread.

One can be a hater. That is fine - I myself hate several players but it is better to accept your hate rather than come up with things that are simply not true.

 

[pakistani pride]

If you hate him then just say it without saying things that hurt your credibility as a poster. That is what you have done in this thread.

One can be a hater. That is fine - I myself hate several players but it is better to accept your hate rather than come up with things that are simply not true.

Hate a player that you dont even know as, hate is a big word.

 

[pakistani pride]

Pakistan in the last years has become a white ball cricket team. Amir won 2 ICC trophies and is perhaps the only bowler in Pak history that bossed a big ICC (final) game vs the arch rivals. What he did in that opening spell was stuff of legends.

 

[Mamoon]

Hate a player that you dont even know as, hate is a big word.

It is just a word. Of course it is not personal but you hate what you see. It could be performance, attitude, behavior etc. or a combination of all three.

For example, I hate the likes of Shadab, Haris Rauf, Naseem, Dahani, Hassan Ali etc. Of course it is not personal because I don’t know any of them at a personal level.

 

[MenInG]

they did )

Amir is sooo petty, and so is imad.

Thats why i hate them both

Does the above check prove it beyond doubt? How else can this be checked?

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Fixer, terrible attitude, no shame..no sense... was the worst human being on the field by miles...

such a shame....

him and asif could have taken bowling to unseen levels .... huh... pains to type it down

 

[BunnyRabbit]

What was Shehzad’s role in the two finals?

But Shehzad is also a two time ICC tournament winner. That's what people have been saying about Amir. Amir didn't do anything in CT17 till the final. He even had to sit out of the semi against a much more dangerous England. India had lost to a below par SL in the same tournament. It's not right to call Amir as the "guy who won Pak CT 17" when there are much bigger and consistent less celebrated guys who kept Pak in the tournament.

Amir did better in wt20 09 though. But then again Afridi, Akmal and Razzaq did better than him.

 

[Mamoon]

But Shehzad is also a two time ICC tournament winner. That's what people have been saying about Amir. Amir didn't do anything in CT17 till the final. He even had to sit out of the semi against a much more dangerous England. India had lost to a below par SL in the same tournament. It's not right to call Amir as the "guy who won Pak CT 17" when there are much bigger and consistent less celebrated guys who kept Pak in the tournament.

Amir did better in wt20 09 though. But then again Afridi, Akmal and Razzaq did better than him.

Amir didn’t do anything until the final but he did a lot in the final. People should be able to give him credit for what he did even if they dislike him.

 

[shariqnoor]

I would consider it a failed career.

Yes he has had his moments, particularly the CT17 final and his wicket of Dilshan in the T20 World Cup but he never had the consistency to instill fear in the opposition. Had one purple patch series in England and he blighted it by selling himself and his country.

If Javed Miandad had done zilch for many years after hitting the six in Sharjah and retired in obscurity, he would've still been remembered fondly. Amir's career is just like that. People still fantasize about him based on one purple patch series in England and his CT17 final performance.

However, if you start peeling the onion bit by bit, you will only find a rotten onion. Never in his career has he run through a batting lineup ala Wasim or Waqar or Shoaib apart from that one match at the Oval. After his CT17 final exploits, he took 5 wickets in his next 14 ODIs.

Amir was one of the better bowlers that Pakistan has produced in the last 15 years when you look at what came after him (Rahat, Talha, Ehsan, Aizaz et al) but by selling himself out he created a huge asterisk against his name. And when he returned, he could never reach to the heights that was expected of him.

I would easily consider this a failed career.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Amir didn’t do anything until the final but he did a lot in the final. People should be able to give him credit for what he did even if they dislike him.

No one is denying the fact that he didn't bowl one brilliant spell in the final. Or that great opening over in wt20 final. But the problem arises when people start attributing the whole tournament to him when there were better and more consistent players than him. No one talks about Azhar Ali's knock in the final where he singlehandedly gave Pak a great start when Fakhar was finding hard to put the bat to the ball.

You do realize how much preferential treatment he got after that and even before CT 17. No one since Shoaib (that too in the final year of his career) was given a pick and choose schedule that Amir did. Other pacers had to toil hard in UAE in tests while Amir was given a free pass for SENA tests. And what did that lead to? Even more prima donna and entitled attitude. It didn't set a good example then and only lowered the price of the Pakistan cricket jersey.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I would consider it a failed career.

Yes he has had his moments, particularly the CT17 final and his wicket of Dilshan in the T20 World Cup but he never had the consistency to instill fear in the opposition. Had one purple patch series in England and he blighted it by selling himself and his country.

If Javed Miandad had done zilch for many years after hitting the six in Sharjah and retired in obscurity, he would've still been remembered fondly. Amir's career is just like that. People still fantasize about him based on one purple patch series in England and his CT17 final performance.

However, if you start peeling the onion bit by bit, you will only find a rotten onion. Never in his career has he run through a batting lineup ala Wasim or Waqar or Shoaib apart from that one match at the Oval. After his CT17 final exploits, he took 5 wickets in his next 14 ODIs.

Amir was one of the better bowlers that Pakistan has produced in the last 15 years when you look at what came after him (Rahat, Talha, Ehsan, Aizaz et al) but by selling himself out he created a huge asterisk against his name. And when he returned, he could never reach to the heights that was expected of him.

I would easily consider this a failed career.

100%.

Think the preferential treatment made him think he was bigger than Pak Cricket. Once the impulse to bring your best every time goes away, you are bound to decline.

 

[MenInG]

Rumman Raees in an interview speaking Mohammad Amir's CT17 spell:

“Mohammad Amir’s spell is the best spell I’ve witnessed in my life"

“Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and Shikhar Dhawan were all in their top forms but the way he bowled against them was simply exceptional. In fact, I forgot my grief for not being part of the team”

“I was sitting in the dugout along with Faheem Ashraf and Ahmed Shahzad and all three of us found it mesmerizing to see his swing and all (the action) from that angle,”

“It was all blue, but once Amir got wickets of Rohit, Kohli and Dhawan, their supporters started to scatter”

“Later on, the atmosphere turned from blue to green and then the way our fans chanted slogans was simply exceptional.”

 

[hitthestump]

after the imad and babar interview, both Imad and Amir have unfollowed each other on Instagram.

Amir did it first, than Imad.

Amir is a loser

Lmaoooo.

Amir is some character. Anyone who wants him and Umar Akmal back in the side needs to get their own sanity checked out.

 

[Major]

I would consider it a failed career.

Yes he has had his moments, particularly the CT17 final and his wicket of Dilshan in the T20 World Cup but he never had the consistency to instill fear in the opposition. Had one purple patch series in England and he blighted it by selling himself and his country.

If Javed Miandad had done zilch for many years after hitting the six in Sharjah and retired in obscurity, he would've still been remembered fondly. Amir's career is just like that. People still fantasize about him based on one purple patch series in England and his CT17 final performance.

However, if you start peeling the onion bit by bit, you will only find a rotten onion. Never in his career has he run through a batting lineup ala Wasim or Waqar or Shoaib apart from that one match at the Oval. After his CT17 final exploits, he took 5 wickets in his next 14 ODIs.

Amir was one of the better bowlers that Pakistan has produced in the last 15 years when you look at what came after him (Rahat, Talha, Ehsan, Aizaz et al) but by selling himself out he created a huge asterisk against his name. And when he returned, he could never reach to the heights that was expected of him.

I would easily consider this a failed career.

fully agree what you and @bunyrabbit have said.

If we are going to take one off performances than Aizaz Cheema becomes an Asian Legend for the Asia Cup final over.

Pakistan losses to India not because of bowling but because of batting as we never had any score to defend. That day Fakhar and Azhar Ali gave great starts. Azhar Ali performed in the semi finals aswell. No one talks about Azhar Ali at all.

England was a more difficult opponenet than India as England was playing in home ground and all there players were smacking, yet Rumman Raees gave one hell of a performance along with Junaid Khan.

 

[Rana]

fully agree what you and @bunyrabbit have said.

If we are going to take one off performances than Aizaz Cheema becomes an Asian Legend for the Asia Cup final over.

Pakistan losses to India not because of bowling but because of batting as we never had any score to defend. That day Fakhar and Azhar Ali gave great starts. Azhar Ali performed in the semi finals aswell. No one talks about Azhar Ali at all.

England was a more difficult opponenet than India as England was playing in home ground and all there players were smacking, yet Rumman Raees gave one hell of a performance along with Junaid Khan.

Pakistan loss to India not because of bowling??

Remind me how we defended 273 in 2003?

Also how we didn’t restrict India to 300 in 2015?

And how we didn’t bundle out India for 200 odd when we had them against the ropes in Mohali in 2011?

And how we didn’t get smashed for 330 in 48 overs at Edgebaston in the same CT?

Oh yes and the great 300 odd that we didn’t allow them to score at Old Trafford in 2019?

 

[Major]

Pakistan loss to India not because of bowling??

Remind me how we defended 273 in 2003?

Also how we didn’t restrict India to 300 in 2015?

And how we didn’t bundle out India for 200 odd when we had them against the ropes in Mohali in 2011?

And how we didn’t get smashed for 330 in 48 overs at Edgebaston in the same CT?

Oh yes and the great 300 odd that we didn’t allow them to score at Old Trafford in 2019?

all the scores you mentioned, did pakistani batters chase them down or not?

thanks for answering my post..

 

[Rana]

all the scores you mentioned, did pakistani batters chase them down or not?

thanks for answering my post..

You were the one who said bowling has never lost us the game? How so??

 

[Major]

You were the one who said bowling has never lost us the game? How so??

i never said never, reread my post

 

[Rana]

i never said never, reread my post

“pakistan losses to India are not because of bowling but batting”

Who wrote that?

 

[Major]

“pakistan losses to India are not because of bowling but batting”

Who wrote that?

Reread and tell me where i said never

 

[Rana]

Reread and tell me where i said never

No you reread your own writing

Stop behaving like Amber Heard

 

[Major]

No you reread your own writing

Stop behaving like Amber Heard

reread and tell me where I said never

 

[Rana]

reread and tell me where I said never

You dug the hole, now fill it up. You made a drastic claim in order to play down Amir’s contribution for the CT win

It’s you that needs to answer after I cited all of those examples where India’n batting belted our bowling

 

[Major]

You dug the hole, now fill it up. You made a drastic claim in order to play down Amir’s contribution for the CT win

It’s you that needs to answer after I cited all of those examples where India’n batting belted our bowling

where did i said never?

 

[Rana]

where did i said never?

Chall never nahi kaha

Aagey barh. Admit it, you made a ridiculous claim and it backfired massively didn’t it?

 

[Babri]

where did i said never?

Why you behaving like this for. You claimed “pakistan losses to India are not because of bowling but batting”. And that's a lie. Instead of admitting your mistake you just on i didn't say never but you said this “pakistan losses to India are not because of bowling but batting”.

 

[Rana]

We need him

 

[MenInG]

Mohammad Hafeez speaking in a podcast

"Imagine standing in a position where you have been told that you can choose to play or not as per your will, but he [Amir] will definitely play. Unfortunately, this was coming from the PCB chairman that it's upon you whether you want to play or not," Hafeez said.

"I was genuinely disappointed. I was broken and wanted to leave everything behind because I wasn't able to absorb this. But my close allies suggested to me that I shouldn't let my positive energy go for Pakistan. The best way to go about it was to register my protest, statement and sentiments; I wasn't a decision-maker at the end of the day"

 

[CricketingMinds]

Mohammad Hafeez speaking in a podcast

"Imagine standing in a position where you have been told that you can choose to play or not as per your will, but he [Amir] will definitely play. Unfortunately, this was coming from the PCB chairman that it's upon you whether you want to play or not," Hafeez said.

"I was genuinely disappointed. I was broken and wanted to leave everything behind because I wasn't able to absorb this. But my close allies suggested to me that I shouldn't let my positive energy go for Pakistan. The best way to go about it was to register my protest, statement and sentiments; I wasn't a decision-maker at the end of the day"

Very understandable. That must be tough on the non-tainted players like Hafeez, Misbah, Azhar, Junaid, etc.

 

[MenInG]

Umar Gul in an interview:

"I was surprised when he [Amir] took retirement from international cricket. It's not uncommon for players to face challenges when their performance falls short. However, it's important to remember that you can't always pinpoint a specific coach or factor as the sole reason for being dropped. Instead, it's better to hold yourself accountable and take responsibility,"

"When you place the blame on yourself, it becomes an opportunity for growth. You strive to improve even more, motivated by the challenge of performing better alongside coaches and teammates who are excelling and expecting more from you. Embracing these challenges ultimately enhances your performance,"

"Honestly, if you talk about Hassan Ali or Mohammad Hasnain, when they are not able to secure their place in the team, even if Amir decides to come out of retirement, whom would you bench for him?"

"You already have four to five regular fast bowlers playing. If we adopt a rotation policy like we saw in the New Zealand series, where one bowler played three matches and then another bowler played the next two matches, everyone bowled well and it wasn't a case of someone performing poorly. Yes, Ihsanullah suffered an elbow injury, which deprived him of a fair opportunity. However, if you look at his performance in the PSL, you cannot disregard his skills. So, Pakistan has a lot of options in pace department right now,"