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sugumarrising said:
To be honest india vs pakistan rivalry is over in 2015 world cup, afterwards most of the matches are 1 sided and pakistan is not a match for india currently.
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And yet, it's a blockbuster event, marketing-person's dream come true, provides huge revenues to every one.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Right, it is not a cricketing rivalry. Just an extension of the historical issues playing out in a stadium. About time indians focus on true sporting rivalries than this pseudo cricket rivalry. Didn't watch a single ball of the match. Was preparing for my half marathon the very next day.
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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Is that why you were posting non stop in the match thread even until 2 wickets of India were dismissed?
 
"Dead" is a strong word but it's definitely on a downward spiral. And it's spiralling fast proportionally to the quality and skillset of the Pakistani team.

Yes, people will still fill up the stadiums and watch the games on TV because of the scarcity of this fixture these days but there's no longer the sheer euphoria that we used to have ala Mohali 2011 or Adelaide 2015.
 
Former India opener batter while speaking about India Pakistan rivalry, he said:

"Pakistan has dominated India a lot of times. Currently, if you see the level of both teams, India is far superior to Pakistan in all three formats. If Pakistan defeats India it's an upset, if India defeats Pakistan, it's very much given."

"India and Australia, from a cricketing point of view, is a top rivalry. If you ask a cricket fan what is the actual rivalry, they will also say India and Australia."
 
There is no rivalry any more, future generations of Pakistan supporters will find other sports to follow. Cricket craze was a colonial hangover and ufortunately the biggest players have shot themselves in the foot by licking colonial tush.
 
IT is a hollow rivalry now. I don't see onfield exchanges, stares, glares, aggression anything of that sort. This Pakistan team is meek. Kohli who is normally aggressive against ENgland/OZ is quiet meek against Pakistan/NZ. They try to be extra nice to each other instead. Miandad-More, Sohail-Prasad, Gambhir-Arfidi we don't see that anymore. Viewership cannot be used to show "rivalry" exists. Indian viewership is going to be there for any match. India vs zimbabwe dead rubber match at the mCG was attended by 87000 Indians. When India meets pakistan Indian population and Pakistan population combine. Hence the numbers. Also neutrals always have a fascination about INdia vs Pak match much like some of us are interested in Australia vs England rivalry. Nowadays i watch SL vs BD without fail :)
 
FearlessRoar said:
Former India opener batter while speaking about India Pakistan rivalry, he said:

"Pakistan has dominated India a lot of times. Currently, if you see the level of both teams, India is far superior to Pakistan in all three formats. If Pakistan defeats India it's an upset, if India defeats Pakistan, it's very much given."

"India and Australia, from a cricketing point of view, is a top rivalry. If you ask a cricket fan what is the actual rivalry, they will also say India and Australia."
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Which batter?
 
Pakistan had such an enthusiastic cricket audience it seems absurd that it has been sidelined so aggressively by the ICC due to the clout of the Indian vote. I don't blame the Australians or the English for this outcome, it's a political play. Eventually it will kill the game as an international sport, and we will see non-flag T20 leagues prosper as a result.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
IT is a hollow rivalry now. I don't see onfield exchanges, stares, glares, aggression anything of that sort. This Pakistan team is meek. Kohli who is normally aggressive against ENgland/OZ is quiet meek against Pakistan/NZ. They try to be extra nice to each other instead. Miandad-More, Sohail-Prasad, Gambhir-Arfidi we don't see that anymore. Viewership cannot be used to show "rivalry" exists. Indian viewership is going to be there for any match. India vs zimbabwe dead rubber match at the mCG was attended by 87000 Indians. When India meets pakistan Indian population and Pakistan population combine. Hence the numbers. Also neutrals always have a fascination about INdia vs Pak match much like some of us are interested in Australia vs England rivalry. Nowadays i watch SL vs BD without fail :)
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SL vs BD is possibly the feistiest battle currently. LOL. They didn't even shake hands last World Cup.

As a neutral, I always enjoy Pakistan vs India and The Ashes. I also enjoy India vs Australia. I think these 3 are the top battles in cricket.
 
We hear all that stuff about India Pakistan rivalry losing importance. But recently, the Indian media has gone berserk about the India Pakistan clash on 9th of June this year in the Caribbean. Surely this rivalry is 100 times more stronger than the cricketing rivalry between Australia and England and therefore this immense response.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1743280628685226198
 
I want Pakistani players to sledge during the game to put pressure on India and distract them.
 
Been dead for past 2 decades most games have been one sided beat down ditched out by India
 
What are your thoughts on this?

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Unusual T20 cricket world cup timings impact TV viewership

he ongoing ICC T20 Men's World Cup has seen an 8% drop in TV ratings for the first 30 matches, compared to 2022, due to reduced time spent - influenced by odd timings for non-India matches - despite a 4% rise in cumulative audience reach to 205 million.

As per Broadcast Audience Research Council (BARC) data, the average ratings for the T20 World Cup have dropped 8% to 0.97 TVR for all-India male and female 2+ audiences and 13% to 1.2 TVR for all-India male 15+ audiences. TVR or TV rating is a combination of time spent and reach. The June 9 match between arch-rivals India and Pakistan garnered 3.89 TVR and 4.81 TVR for all-India MF 2+ and M 15+ audiences, respectively. Experts point out that the India-Pakistan game's TV rating is among the lowest for the matches between the two arch-rivals since 2019.

While the cumulative reach for 2+ audiences has gone up, it has declined 2% to 86 million for male 15+ audiences.

Advertisers target males aged 15+ as they are the core cricket audience base.As per BARC data, the average free commercial time (FCT) consumption across the Disney Star network is upwards of 1,300 seconds. On Star Sports 1 Hindi, which is one of the key channels of monetisation, the average FCT per match is over 1,400 seconds.A total of 51 advertisers are advertising during the tournament.Media buyers say that the broadcaster has so far raked in ad revenue worth '900-1,000 crore across TV and digital.

"The T20 World Cup got impacted due to the IPL and general elections. The T20 World Cup is happening after the IPL, which sucked out a lot of money from the market," said the CEO of a media buying agency, on condition of anonymity.

EssenceMediacom South Asia CEO Navin Khemka said the TV ratings for the tournament have taken a hit due to the unfavourable timing of most of the matches, barring the India games. The India matches are broadcast in prime time for the Indian audience, while non-India matches are aired in the early morning, he added.

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Unusual T20 cricket world cup timings impact TV viewership

The ICC T20 Men's World Cup has seen an 8% drop in TV ratings for the first 30 matches compared to 2022, despite a 4% rise in cumulative audience reach to 205 million. The average ratings have dropped 8% to 0.97 TVR for all-India male and female 2+ audiences and 13% to 1.2 TVR for all-India male...
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Pakistani players have been getting a bit too cozy with their Indian counterparts lately. What we really need is for Pakistan to clinch a crucial ICC match and unleash some serious post-match aggression with wild celebrations.

That'll surely rile up the Indians and reignite the rivalry with a bang! (Just in case it was losing its spark or something.)
 
Croma said:
Pakistani players have been getting a bit too cozy with their Indian counterparts lately. What we really need is for Pakistan to clinch a crucial ICC match and unleash some serious post-match aggression with wild celebrations.

That'll surely rile up the Indians and reignite the rivalry with a bang! (Just in case it was losing its spark or something.)
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It's lost somewhere now. And also for that we need to win a match against them first.
 
Rana said:
God Bless Ajay Devgan Cricket Board.

We will get the champions match every year thanks to him.
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And we'll stop watching in 2034 when babar and Rizwan is in this squad by then 🤣🤣.
 
Local.Dada said:
Sorry but why is every social media account especially from Pakistan propping up this legends tournament like it’s some Olympics? Till yesterday I had no idea that something like this was going on lol.
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Yeah if India had won this series then this championship would have even announced as bigger than the FIFA World Cup. :ROFLMAO:
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Yeah if India had won this series then this championship would have even announced as bigger than the FIFA World Cup. :ROFLMAO:
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Ok. However India did win the WT20 which is the equivalent of FIFA WC for cricket fans. You are laughing at something that might happen instead of missing the comedy right in front of you. As usual wrong priorities :ROFLMAO:
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Yeah if India had won this series then this championship would have even announced as bigger than the FIFA World Cup. :ROFLMAO:
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I watched highlights of few matched, Pakistan has played a very strong side.
Sharjeel, Akmal, Maqsood, Malik are still quite good and are out batting every other team.

Indian players how retired are just too fat and lazy now. They been splurging the money from their playing days on beer and food.

Matches are fun but quality of bowling is extremely poor.
 
big_gamer007 said:
I watched highlights of few matched, Pakistan has played a very strong side.
Sharjeel, Akmal, Maqsood, Malik are still quite good and are out batting every other team.

Indian players how retired are just too fat and lazy now. They been splurging the money from their playing days on beer and food.

Matches are fun but quality of bowling is extremely poor.
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And India still won 🤣🤣
 
It is still big but it has definitely subsided compared to how much hype there was earlier. I still remember Mohali 2011. Everyone knew something was on
 
This rivalry will always remain given the history between the two countries, even more so between the fans. “Chalo India ko to haraya kam se kam, Cup nahi jeetay to kya hua” (and vice versa) and that actually makes them feel better.
Given the hype provided by not just Indian and Pakistani but other fans too, the number of eyeballs on these games can’t be surpassed.
Fans’ self esteem is often tied to the results of these matches.
 
Major said:
No it has not subsides
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It's still big but i feel not as much as it was during 90s. Everyone was glued to their screens then. My parents used to watch India pakistan matches everytime it happened. Now only world cup matches are watched - asia cups are ignored. Of course this is purely anecdotal - I am willing to change my views if there is so objective proof regarding the popularity of the rivalry
 
Needs Pakistan to win a big game like 2021 T20 WC game to revive the hype

Now its has really lost its former hype. When this 2024 T20 WC game was on - most Indians were busy watching Modi govt formation ceremony. Even the news channels did very little coverage. Even Modi did not to bother to wish the team after the win !
 
NishanKonar said:
Needs Pakistan to win a big game like 2021 T20 WC game to revive the hype

Now its has really lost its former hype. When this 2024 T20 WC game was on - most Indians were busy watching Modi govt formation ceremony. Even the news channels did very little coverage. Even Modi did not to bother to wish the team after the win !
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Compare to congratulations from parliament after QF win in 96 world cup! :ROFLMAO:
 
Indo-Pak rivalry can never die. The intensity might have gone a bit lower but it can not die. Since cricket started for these nations, rivalry existed and till cricket dies, the rivalry is here to stay.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Indo-Pak rivalry can never die. The intensity might have gone a bit lower but it can not die. Since cricket started for these nations, rivalry existed and till cricket dies, the rivalry is here to stay.
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Its practically dead in Hockey bhai, India is unbeaten against Pakistan in hockey for the last 8 years in a total of 16 games.
One cannot remain so complacent in cricket.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Its practically dead in Hockey bhai, India is unbeaten against Pakistan in hockey for the last 8 years in a total of 16 games.
One cannot remain so complacent in cricket.
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We are talking about cricket only. Hockey is not watched and followed by almost 99% people. INdia vs Pakistan is still the biggest game whenever it comes.
 
BouncerGuy said:
We are talking about cricket only. Hockey is not watched and followed by almost 99% people. INdia vs Pakistan is still the biggest game whenever it comes.
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The trajectories are similar. I like to observe trends. Pakistani cricket has higher inertia than hockey of course.
Other teams are catching up in T20 cricket which is the future. Look at Pakistan's record this year.
A genuine Pakistan cricket fan should be worried that their can be lower lows incoming.

and point: India Pakistan match was not the biggest game in ODI world cup nor was it the biggest game in T20 World Cup.
 
The only way rivalry can be revived is if Pakistan beats us in a proper ODI match in CT, t20s are very volatile and a win in that format is hardly remembered.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Indo-Pak rivalry can never die. The intensity might have gone a bit lower but it can not die. Since cricket started for these nations, rivalry existed and till cricket dies, the rivalry is here to stay.
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There is definitely still a little bit of a bite to India-Pakistan games. The rarity value (we only play once a year on average) has also helped in maintaining the spice.

But it's gone more than a "bit lower." I hope you don't but you'll have to beat us more than once every 3-4 years to make it interesting again. Even professional the professional doom-mongers who infest every India match discussion with moans about our selections, players, attitudes etc. find it difficult to work up much tension about the game any more.
 
As long as political tension between the 2 nations exist, the rivalry will never die down

There is way too much baggage in the relationship for cricketing/hockey/kabbadi/ xyz sports rivalry to wither away.

Personally CT17 rankles more than WC'23, a SSA wicket and a Fakhar 6 is more painful than Starc and Head antics
 
Saeed Ajmal said, while speaking at the launch of the High School Cricket Cup, which will take place in Sharjah and Ajman:

"Even if the India versus Pakistan match happens on the moon, it will be huge. There is a lot of love between India and Pakistan and we must go to each other's countries."

"I like Virat Kohli, Joe Root, Babar Azam, and Rohit Sharma, they are good players."

"Bumrah is very intelligent bowler and intelligence is required with speed."

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Lets game play this out.

What will that look?

From a sporting perspective, barring the occasional thriller like the WC2022 in Aus, the games have been boring, either becos the venue or quality of the teams

Organizational perspective:

Scenario 1: Pak is out of ICC and rest of ICC carrys on. Potential 30% loss in revenue for ICC.

Solution: Trim the fat. Accept Cricket for what it is, an english colonial sport played by few of the former colony.

forget about expansion. IF any nation wants to play, let them bring their own funds to do so. Get rid of funding for associates.

India didn't get any fuding from MCC in the 70's and 80's. Lets apply the same good old days model.

There is 12% savings immediatly.

If the rest of cricketing world can live with 20% less money, too bad.

Scenario 2: India is out. ICC carrys on. Potential loss of 60-80% revenue. Will go back to amateur days. going by most claims, sport might be better that way

Scenario 3: current ICC is dissolved. It will go back to adhoc arrangement between boards or new version of ICC will emerge.

The current impasse offers a perfect opportunity to accelerate the change that is necessary.

If India-Pakistan relations do improve in the future, the spoils will be shared by Indi and Pakistan and not the rest of the world.

Discuss
 
are you talking about just the Champrions Trophy or ICC membership when you say Pak out or Ind out in the 1st 2 scenarios ?
 
uppercut said:
are you talking about just the Champrions Trophy or ICC membership when you say Pak out or Ind out in the 1st 2 scenarios ?
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I'm talking about no more Ind-Pak cricket in any way or form in the near future. say till 2029 India elctions
 
rpant_gabba said:
I'm talking about no more Ind-Pak cricket in any way or form in the near future. say till 2029 India elctions
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That is already the case isnt it ? I mean 99% of Intl Cricket does not involve India vs Pak even now and has been so for quite a while. So I dont think making that 100% NO Ind-vs-Pak would make any big difference financially.


but why would either of these 2 outcomes happen because Ind and Pak stopped playing each other ? Not sure what you mean by "out of ICC"

Scenario 1: Pak is out of ICC and rest of ICC carrys on.
Scenario 2: India is out. ICC carrys on.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Scenario 1: Pak is out of ICC and rest of ICC carrys on. Potential 30% loss in revenue for ICC.
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I am curious how did you come up with 30% revenue loss. Considering they are “takers”, to quote Romney, I think it would be profitable.
 
uppercut said:
That is already the case isnt it ? I mean 99% of Intl Cricket does not involve India vs Pak even now and has been so for quite a while. So I dont think making that 100% NO Ind-vs-Pak would make any big difference financially.
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I'm entertaining those who think it will.
uppercut said:
but why would either of these 2 outcomes happen because Ind and Pak stopped playing each other ? Not sure what you mean by "out of ICC"
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I'm entertaining their the delusion that ICC in its current form will collapse w/o Ind-pak game.

Taking it to its logical end point
 
rpant_gabba said:
Playing out the worst case scenario.
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I was trying to work out a normal scenario for compariso by taking an innings

As per few articles ad slot of 10 seconds rate in a world cup match involving india(non pak ) team is 30 lakhs
For pak it's 45 lakhs .late joined party or premium ad slot is 60 lakhs for pak match .

So i tried a sample check excluding drinks and all other mandatory breaks for all the matches

50 overs each over 2 ads
After 1 wicket 3 ads

So for pak match , ads per innigs 50 * 2 + 10 * 3 = 130 ads
For most of the times for an ind vs pak match,slots will be booked in prior and few premium ads .
110(non premium ads ) * 45 = 4950 lakhs
20 (premium) ×60 =1200 lakhs

Total Ind vs Pak match 6150 lakhs
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Ind vs Non pak match

All ad slots will be filled but slowly as per reports

Only non premium ads

130 * 30 = 3900 lakhs

So ind vs non pak match ad revenue is 62 percent of ind vs pak as per broadcaster .

If india reaches knock out every ad slot is premium and it will eclipse any pak match.

There was no competitive matches between India and pak from past 15 years in odis.Other matches went for the last run and more time was consumed there. All in all it must be 15 to 20 percent of extra ad revenue for a broadcaster .But the surplus can be easily eclipsed easily by another additional india league match or easily out performed by an knock out india match.As far as India is there ,put an additional round or hype all aus /nz/eng matches as grudge matches or match of the tournament to cover the loss.

Correct me if am wrong .

Ind vs pak happened for 70 overs in odi wc .ind vs nz league happened for 100 overs .so any one can cover the loss of revenue by sub standard pak cricket. Viewership was also higher for non pak matches.


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ICC World Cup: How Much Do Ad Spots During India-Pak Match Cost? Find Out - Forbes India

Almost 85 percent of the ad inventory for the Cricket World Cup match between India and Pakistan has been secured, say experts
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Vikram1989 said:
I was trying to work out a normal scenario for compariso by taking an innings

As per few articles ad slot of 10 seconds rate in a world cup match involving india(non pak ) team is 30 lakhs
For pak it's 45 lakhs .late joined party or premium ad slot is 60 lakhs for pak match .

So i tried a sample check excluding drinks and all other mandatory breaks for all the matches

50 overs each over 2 ads
After 1 wicket 3 ads

So for pak match , ads per innigs 50 * 2 + 10 * 3 = 130 ads
For most of the times for an ind vs pak match,slots will be booked in prior and few premium ads .
110(non premium ads ) * 45 = 4950 lakhs
20 (premium) ×60 =1200 lakhs

Total Ind vs Pak match 6150 lakhs
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Ind vs Non pak match

All ad slots will be filled but slowly as per reports

Only non premium ads

130 * 30 = 3900 lakhs

So ind vs non pak match ad revenue is 62 percent of ind vs pak as per broadcaster .

If india reaches knock out every ad slot is premium and it will eclipse any pak match.

There was no competitive matches between India and pak from past 15 years in odis.Other matches went for the last run and more time was consumed there. All in all it must be 15 to 20 percent of extra ad revenue for a broadcaster .But the surplus can be easily eclipsed easily by another additional india league match or easily out performed by an knock out india match.As far as India is there ,put an additional round or hype all aus /nz/eng matches as grudge matches or match of the tournament to cover the loss.

Correct me if am wrong .

Ind vs pak happened for 70 overs in odi wc .ind vs nz league happened for 100 overs .so any one can cover the loss of revenue by sub standard pak cricket. Viewership was also higher for non pak matches.


www.forbesindia.com

ICC World Cup: How Much Do Ad Spots During India-Pak Match Cost? Find Out - Forbes India

Almost 85 percent of the ad inventory for the Cricket World Cup match between India and Pakistan has been secured, say experts
www.forbesindia.com www.forbesindia.com


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Vikram1989 said:
I was trying to work out a normal scenario for compariso by taking an innings

As per few articles ad slot of 10 seconds rate in a world cup match involving india(non pak ) team is 30 lakhs
For pak it's 45 lakhs .late joined party or premium ad slot is 60 lakhs for pak match .

So i tried a sample check excluding drinks and all other mandatory breaks for all the matches
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First of all, excellent research and a thought-provoking post. I appreciate this.

You have made a few assumptions, such as that Indian knockouts have rates similar to those of an India-Pakistan game.

...the cost of securing a 10-second advertising slot during matches between India and New Zealand in the ICC Cricket World Cup 2023 has soared to an unprecedented ₹30 lakh.
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This is still less than the India-Pakistan group game which is ₹45 lakh per 10 seconds. I would imagine the premium rates on an India-Pakistan knockout game would be higher than this.

Regardless let's assume all of your numbers are just as it is on the ICC's financial statements.

I will agree with your general premise.

It's certainly possible to cover those fees by adding more Indian games. That's a valid statement. However, this also complicates scheduling as the broadcaster needs to set aside more time slots if the tournaments get longer. It won't just be an additional Indian group game cause it also means 7-8 additional low-profile games between other teams to balance the schedule. It also means added tournament costs to host those games.

You also risk advertiser fatigue with additional games. Meaning fewer premium slots get filled.

This is why everyone involved likes that big India-Pakistan game. It's such a slam dunk in terms of a financial windfall regardless of how the teams are doing or when the game is played. It is this certainty that the broadcasters want plus the potential for record-breaking rates if things get hyped up a few notches.
 
kingusama92 said:
First of all, excellent research and a thought-provoking post. I appreciate this.

You have made a few assumptions, such as that Indian knockouts have rates similar to those of an India-Pakistan game.



This is still less than the India-Pakistan group game which is ₹45 lakh per 10 seconds. I would imagine the premium rates on an India-Pakistan knockout game would be higher than this.

Regardless let's assume all of your numbers are just as it is on the ICC's financial statements.

I will agree with your general premise.

It's certainly possible to cover those fees by adding more Indian games. That's a valid statement. However, this also complicates scheduling as the broadcaster needs to set aside more time slots if the tournaments get longer. It won't just be an additional Indian group game cause it also means 7-8 additional low-profile games between other teams to balance the schedule. It also means added tournament costs to host those games.

You also risk advertiser fatigue with additional games. Meaning fewer premium slots get filled.

This is why everyone involved likes that big India-Pakistan game. It's such a slam dunk in terms of a financial windfall regardless of how the teams are doing or when the game is played. It is this certainty that the broadcasters want plus the potential for record-breaking rates if things get hyped up a few notches.
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Thanks for the appreciation.

Icc can go for quarters instead of semis to make an extra hurdle just to rip it off ( 2011/2015 was a prime example after 2007 surprise).

For the premium rates in knockouts, a decade earlier it was common practice for the television broadcasters to rip it off as we used to see more ads .(any Indian TV viewer can confirm this one hell of an experience .First ball wont be shown and add will play rt after the last delivery with out showing what happened).

As per the below article latest trends says ,revenue = no of viewers * ad rates .so as the knock outs will have more viewers it does not have to be more premium rates.

m.economictimes.com

India in T20 World Cup final, Disney Star hikes ad rates

Star Sports is the official TV broadcast partner of the tournament. Prior to the tournament, the broadcaster had quoted spot buy rates of ₹13-26 lakh per 10-second slots for India and knockout games. The average ad rate for all 55 matches of the tournament works out at ₹6.5-7 lakh due to lower...
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As per the software terminology,it's the shortest path first algorithm (if pak is involved ) otherwise medium or cost effective path for the maximum revenue generation.

One thing is as icc is blood leaches, they know better than us to rip it off.

One more possible reason for the earlier higher percentage of ind vs pak when compared to now is India's inconsistent,subpar performance .

For example in 99wc , India never crossed super 6 and played 8 games.out of 8 games ind were horrible against all the big teams and lost quite badly. So only pak match is marketable one as it went much further than other games.so ad revenue is like 1.5 /4.its the biggest contributor. But now india is a top team from almost decade and reaching semis is a common.

So the same 1.5 out of 10/11( as it plays more games and wins against the other top teams) will be much less ratio and gives icc a chance for work around.
 
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OMG. This gem of a thread!

Another Indian lie exposed.

Indians exist and are relevant because of Pakistan.

Case in point!

🤣🤣🤣
 
kingusama92 said:
It's certainly possible to cover those fees by adding more Indian games. That's a valid statement. However, this also complicates scheduling as the broadcaster needs to set aside more time slots if the tournaments get longer. It won't just be an additional Indian group game cause it also means 7-8 additional low-profile games between other teams to balance the schedule. It also means added tournament costs to host those games.
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The assumption is Indian cricket is saturated. Nothing so far validates it. India-New Zealand test/ODI series will be marketed heavily now, that India was white-washed. Look at the NZ/England crowds in test cricket.
kingusama92 said:
You also risk advertiser fatigue with additional games. Meaning fewer premium slots get filled.
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With Indian cricket & economy, that is not the case so far.
kingusama92 said:
This is why everyone involved likes that big India-Pakistan game. It's such a slam dunk in terms of a financial windfall regardless of how the teams are doing or when the game is played. It is this certainty that the broadcasters want plus the potential for record-breaking rates if things get hyped up a few notches.
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No one is denying India-Pakstan games have 10-15% extra appeal. But the broadcasters will not cross BCCI and GoI in it's strategic interests.
 
kingusama92 said:
First of all, excellent research and a thought-provoking post. I appreciate this.

You have made a few assumptions, such as that Indian knockouts have rates similar to those of an India-Pakistan game.



This is still less than the India-Pakistan group game which is ₹45 lakh per 10 seconds. I would imagine the premium rates on an India-Pakistan knockout game would be higher than this.

Regardless let's assume all of your numbers are just as it is on the ICC's financial statements.

I will agree with your general premise.

It's certainly possible to cover those fees by adding more Indian games. That's a valid statement. However, this also complicates scheduling as the broadcaster needs to set aside more time slots if the tournaments get longer. It won't just be an additional Indian group game cause it also means 7-8 additional low-profile games between other teams to balance the schedule. It also means added tournament costs to host those games.

You also risk advertiser fatigue with additional games. Meaning fewer premium slots get filled.

This is why everyone involved likes that big India-Pakistan game. It's such a slam dunk in terms of a financial windfall regardless of how the teams are doing or when the game is played. It is this certainty that the broadcasters want plus the potential for record-breaking rates if things get hyped up a few notches.
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I concur India-Pakstan games have 10-15% extra appeal. But my point is broadcasters will not cross BCCI and GoI in it's strategic interests for something that GoI/BCCI can help them out with. Take the case of SA20, Indian investors bought the teams and finally it is doing well after the initial 2-3 versions failing.
FWIW, M Ambani (owner of Jio Hotstar) is known to be very nationalistic.
again appreciate the civil discussion, rather than name calling and insulting.
 
nuttyprof said:
I concur India-Pakstan games have 10-15% extra appeal. But my point is broadcasters will not cross BCCI and GoI in it's strategic interests for something that GoI/BCCI can help them out with. Take the case of SA20, Indian investors bought the teams and finally it is doing well after the initial 2-3 versions failing.
FWIW, M Ambani (owner of Jio Hotstar) is known to be very nationalistic.
again appreciate the civil discussion, rather than name calling and insulting.
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SA20 has been a success from the get go.
 
Let's pile on one thing.

Pakistan vs India has more value because of limited inventory. If they were playing a full series every year there would be less value overall. It generates way more revenue because Pakistan and India at most play 2-3 matches per year and in most years just 1 match in the works cup.
 
nuttyprof said:
I concur India-Pakstan games have 10-15% extra appeal. But my point is broadcasters will not cross BCCI and GoI in it's strategic interests for something that GoI/BCCI can help them out with. Take the case of SA20, Indian investors bought the teams and finally it is doing well after the initial 2-3 versions failing.
FWIW, M Ambani (owner of Jio Hotstar) is known to be very nationalistic.
again appreciate the civil discussion, rather than name calling and insulting.
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@kingusama92 is an old school, old timer. no fluff. no drama.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Thanks for the appreciation.

Icc can go for quarters instead of semis to make an extra hurdle just to rip it off ( 2011/2015 was a prime example after 2007 surprise).

For the premium rates in knockouts, a decade earlier it was common practice for the television broadcasters to rip it off as we used to see more ads .(any Indian TV viewer can confirm this one hell of an experience .First ball wont be shown and add will play rt after the last delivery with out showing what happened).

As per the below article latest trends says ,revenue = no of viewers * ad rates .so as the knock outs will have more viewers it does not have to be more premium rates.

m.economictimes.com

India in T20 World Cup final, Disney Star hikes ad rates

Star Sports is the official TV broadcast partner of the tournament. Prior to the tournament, the broadcaster had quoted spot buy rates of ₹13-26 lakh per 10-second slots for India and knockout games. The average ad rate for all 55 matches of the tournament works out at ₹6.5-7 lakh due to lower...
m.economictimes.com m.economictimes.com

As per the software terminology,it's the shortest path first algorithm (if pak is involved ) otherwise medium or cost effective path for the maximum revenue generation.

One thing is as icc is blood leaches, they know better than us to rip it off.

One more possible reason for the earlier higher percentage of ind vs pak when compared to now is India's inconsistent,subpar performance .

For example in 99wc , India never crossed super 6 and played 8 games.out of 8 games ind were horrible against all the big teams and lost quite badly. So only pak match is marketable one as it went much further than other games.so ad revenue is like 1.5 /4.its the biggest contributor. But now india is a top team from almost decade and reaching semis is a common.

So the same 1.5 out of 10/11( as it plays more games and wins against the other top teams) will be much less ratio and gives icc a chance for work around.
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This is a good point.

I forgot about adding a QF to compensate with an additional knockout match. It's nice and clean. If Pakistan is removed from ICC tournaments, this might be the best strategy for the ICC.

Of course, if India doesn't make it to the knockouts then it's damaging. Basically like 2007.

I always like the optimistic mindset and that should be applied to a situation where Pakistan is cut completely too. If Pakistan could manage a time when it couldn't host for a decade then the ICC would also manage well with a powerhouse like India as its main attraction in a tournament.

I'm guessing the real issue is broadcasters like the path of least resistance. We can all agree it's a breeze to just toss in that Indo-Pak game as a group match, cash in the 15-20% lottery ticket, and know the tournament is well on its way to being profitable.

This is probably what makes them not want to go nuclear in cutting the PCB.
 
nuttyprof said:
The assumption is Indian cricket is saturated. Nothing so far validates it. India-New Zealand test/ODI series will be marketed heavily now, that India was white-washed. Look at the NZ/England crowds in test cricket.

With Indian cricket & economy, that is not the case so far.

No one is denying India-Pakstan games have 10-15% extra appeal. But the broadcasters will not cross BCCI and GoI in it's strategic interests.
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You're right Indian cricket is definitely not oversaturated. I would say the Indian market has an unquenchable passion for cricket from what I have seen over the decades.

I meant more about the other low-profile games they would add to balance the schedule. Can't just have India playing an extra group game randomly. However, Vikram1989 made a good point that they would add a QF round (hoping India makes it of course) to balance things out.
 
nuttyprof said:
I concur India-Pakstan games have 10-15% extra appeal. But my point is broadcasters will not cross BCCI and GoI in it's strategic interests for something that GoI/BCCI can help them out with. Take the case of SA20, Indian investors bought the teams and finally it is doing well after the initial 2-3 versions failing.
FWIW, M Ambani (owner of Jio Hotstar) is known to be very nationalistic.
again appreciate the civil discussion, rather than name calling and insulting.
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Yeah especially when they have that $3 billion contract hanging over the broadcaster's head. They definitely won't cut the BCCI as it would ruin them too.

Renegotiations might be tough but Ambani might accept a hit like you're saying. I guess these are opinions since none of us really know what would transpire.
 
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