Politics - Pakistani 2018 General Election and post-election discussion

[Loralai]

AWP have no chance this election but it is great to see such parties forming on ideological grounds. They have a solid leftist manifesto and I would love to see them replace the PPP as Pakistan's left wing party in the future. At this stage, people don't really know about AWP nor are they seen as a party that can win the election and form government.

I agree with you it will take time for AWP to make a significant impact, but we have come a long way already since 2012 and things are looking good for the future. AWP has done well so far. Ammar and Ismat are both excellent candidates and I have no doubt they will serve their constituencies well - but it is difficult. Although, I struggle to understand why anyone would vote for Aqeel Anjum Khan over Ismat!

Don't personally consider PPP a genuine leftist option. Their record is open for all to see. Basket case of a party better known for corruption than for anything else. The good old days of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto are well and truly behind them now.

 

[hussain.r97]

I agree with you it will take time for AWP to make a significant impact, but we have come a long way already since 2012 and things are looking good for the future. AWP has done well so far. Ammar and Ismat are both excellent candidates and I have no doubt they will serve their constituencies well - but it is difficult. Although, I struggle to understand why anyone would vote for Aqeel Anjum Khan over Ismat!

Don't personally consider PPP a genuine leftist option. Their record is open for all to see. Basket case of a party better known for corruption than for anything else. The good old days of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto are well and truly behind them now.

Absolutely agree, and this is why I want someone like AWP to replace PPP. Unfortunately the issue in Pakistan is that it is impossible to vote on ideological grounds, the fight is between right and wrong rather than right and left. Once we get past that I really hope to see genuine left and right wing options replace the traditional parties. If there is a strong, secular, centre-left wing option in Pakistan, they would definitely have my support.

 

[Loralai]

I may not agree with everything they say on social media but i really value their efforts to join real politics just like Jibran Nasir.
It's far easier for people to ridicule people like Imran khan who made huge efforts and sacrifices for 22 years so i want more and more people to try doing something practically and then show us how it should be done, i also want to see if they will be ready to spend decades with little or no gain.

Not sure about them but i wouldn't be too disappointed if Jibran wins (provincial seat) even though i don't agree with EVERYTHING he says these days but overall he is a very decent human being and we need more of them.

Agree with Jibran Nasir. I hope he does very well.

For those interested in AWP, please take some time to read our manifesto:

https://voteforawp.org/manifesto-en/

Personally I think you will struggle to find a better manifesto from any Pakistani political party.

It would be good if posters representing their political parties could also share their manifestos too.

 

[Loralai]

Absolutely agree, and this is why I want someone like AWP to replace PPP. Unfortunately the issue in Pakistan is that it is impossible to vote on ideological grounds, the fight is between right and wrong rather than right and left. Once we get past that I really hope to see genuine left and right wing options replace the traditional parties. If there is a strong, secular, centre-left wing option in Pakistan, they would definitely have my support.

Hopefully it will emerge over time. It is difficult to openly advocate certain leftist stances in Pakistan. This is why I have a lot of time for Ammar, Ismat and Jibran (although he is contesting independently). People love throwing around labels like anti national/RAW/Mossad/CIA agent. There is a certain narrative which people like to follow here and any deviation is taken as a threat. Things need to change.

 

[Mian]

News about ANP and MMA from Peshawar

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan would become a truly progressive, tolerant, democratic and peaceful state when people find out the value of humanists like Jibran Nasir who are willing to sacrifice their lives for the downtrodden.

A true humanist and a selfless too. I hope I see him as the PM of Pakistan in my lifetime.Sadly, it is impossible.

 

[Mian]

Sardar Mansab Dogar ex MNA of PMLN leave PMLN and goes Independent. They were giving him MPA ticket ticket instead of MNA this time so he refused to take MPA ticket from party and left just like ex MNA Malik Aetbar.

 

[Mian]

Their tickets are taken back but Ayesha Nazeer and her panel are still using IK pics on their banners this can confuse PTI voters there

 

[Mian]

Even the worst critic of IK and PTI Talat Hussain admits PTI is doing well in Punjab and PMLN campaign is weak and Shobaz is unable to handle it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Elections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Elections2018</a> Travelling across Punjab. PMLN campaign suffers as NS and Maryam remain stationed in UK and Shehbaz, unbelievably, acts prime ministerial but plays a very weak campaign hand in home province. PTI doing well.</p>— Syed Talat Hussain (@TalatHussain12) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalatHussain12/status/1011529810118574081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Syed1]

There are unsubstantiated reports on social media that Madam Kulsoom Nawaz has passed away a few days ago but the Sharif family is looking to buy time to use her passing as an opportunity for political gain. If it is true then it is the lowest of lows and even lower than what you expect from Nooras.

 

[the Great Khan]

Hopefully it will emerge over time. It is difficult to openly advocate certain leftist stances in Pakistan. This is why I have a lot of time for Ammar, Ismat and Jibran (although he is contesting independently). People love throwing around labels like anti national/RAW/Mossad/CIA agent. There is a certain narrative which people like to follow here and any deviation is taken as a threat. Things need to change.

What are the key centre left stances of the AWP? I see myself as firmly on the centre left or genuine left here in the uk so would be interested to see what the AWP's stance is...

 

[Waseem]

Sardar Mansab Dogar ex MNA of PMLN leave PMLN and goes Independent. They were giving him MPA ticket ticket instead of MNA this time so he refused to take MPA ticket from party and left just like ex MNA Malik Aetbar.

PTI gave ticket to Muhammad Shah Khagga who lost in 2013 by just 2000 votes and that too without party vote so this looks quite a strong seat for PTI now.

 

[Waseem]

There are unsubstantiated reports on social media that Madam Kulsoom Nawaz has passed away a few days ago but the Sharif family is looking to buy time to use her passing as an opportunity for political gain. If it is true then it is the lowest of lows and even lower than what you expect from Nooras.

It's a tough one, knowing track record of Sharif's it is very much possible especially when absconder Ishaq Dar who is also too sick to travel to Pakistan is in UK living close to Sharifs. Last thing you need is doubting someone's sickness so probably best to let this go and not worry too much about it.

 

[Mian]

PTI gave ticket to Muhammad Shah Khagga who lost in 2013 by just 2000 votes and that too without party vote so this looks quite a strong seat for PTI now.

Khagga lost by 1000 votes in 2008 too to this Mansab guy (both times on PMLQ ticket). I hope this time PTI votebank helps secure this seat

 

[Mian]

It's a tough one, knowing track record of Sharif's it is very much possible especially when absconder Ishaq Dar who is also too sick to travel to Pakistan is in UK living close to Sharifs. Last thing you need is doubting someone's sickness so probably best to let this go and not worry too much about it.

In his sickness report to court Dar mentioned i find it hard to even move my neck

 

[Syed1]

In his sickness report to court Dar mentioned i find it hard to even move my neck

Wasn't there a video from just yesterday where he was seen sprinting across a set of stairs

 

[Syed1]

Less than a month to go to general elections.... Now or never for Immy

 

[Mian]

NA72 Sialkot Survey: PMLN 52%, PTI 41% and PP 6%

Looks like Dr Frodis Ashiq Awan will need to work really hard to stand a chance according to Habib Akram lot of naraz workers and local leadership of PTI is the reason PTI is behind PMLN.

 

[Bewal Express]

There are unsubstantiated reports on social media that Madam Kulsoom Nawaz has passed away a few days ago but the Sharif family is looking to buy time to use her passing as an opportunity for political gain. If it is true then it is the lowest of lows and even lower than what you expect from Nooras.

Even they wouldnt stoop so low, and the date of her passing would be on her death certificate which needs to be reg before the body can leave the country.

 

[Mian]

Wasn't there a video from just yesterday where he was seen sprinting across a set of stairs

2 videos actually!

 

[Bewal Express]

Even the worst critic of IK and PTI Talat Hussain admits PTI is doing well in Punjab and PMLN campaign is weak and Shobaz is unable to handle it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Elections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Elections2018</a> Travelling across Punjab. PMLN campaign suffers as NS and Maryam remain stationed in UK and Shehbaz, unbelievably, acts prime ministerial but plays a very weak campaign hand in home province. PTI doing well.</p>— Syed Talat Hussain (@TalatHussain12) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalatHussain12/status/1011529810118574081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Showbiz has opposition from the PTI and NS. If he wins, then Hamza will be the anointed one and Maryam will have to setup her own party, if he loses, Maryam will still be in with a shout.

 

[Syed1]

Even they wouldnt stoop so low, and the date of her passing would be on her death certificate which needs to be reg before the body can leave the country.

I don't doubt the genuineness of Madam Kulsoom Nawaz's illness and wish her a full and speedy recovery but going by Nawaz Sharif and his clan's track record absolutely nothing is off the table. These are the same people who used to share lewd pictures of Benazir so nothing is beyond their capacity.

 

[Mian]

Showbiz has opposition from the PTI and NS. If he wins, then Hamza will be the anointed one and Maryam will have to setup her own party, if he loses, Maryam will still be in with a shout.

For now Khaqan Abbasi is the PM candidate from Maryam's group. I also saw the banners of Khaqan in Murree with written lines like "inshALLAH PM"

 

[Mian]

Guys it's election season time to update your display picture/avatar i changed mine!

 

[Waseem]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PTI alliance with PTM <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> told me his party decided not to field candidate against PTM leader Ali Wazir in South Waziristan watch more details tonight in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CapitalTalk?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CapitalTalk</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@geonews_urdu</a> at 8 PST</p>— Hamid Mir (@HamidMirPAK) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamidMirPAK/status/1011569078706819072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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So looks like PTI is leaving the seat for PTM leader Ali Wazir which will help him to win the seat most probably. I have many issues with PTM but this is a very good step as anyone standing for people's rights by being part of the system must be welcomed and supported.

Another step that confirms PTI supports Talibans isn't it

 

[Syed1]

Guys it's election season time to update your display picture/avatar i changed mine!

I haven't changed mine since I joined this forum 3+ years ago... but I will permanently change to Immy once he becomes PM.

 

[Mian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PTI alliance with PTM <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> told me his party decided not to field candidate against PTM leader Ali Wazir in South Waziristan watch more details tonight in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CapitalTalk?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CapitalTalk</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@geonews_urdu</a> at 8 PST</p>— Hamid Mir (@HamidMirPAK) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamidMirPAK/status/1011569078706819072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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So looks like PTI is leaving the seat for PTM leader Ali Wazir which will help him to win the seat most probably. I have many issues with PTM but this is a very good step as anyone standing for people's rights by being part of the system must be welcomed and supported.

Another step that confirms PTI supports Talibans isn't it

But PTI already announced the candidate from there and have given him ticket?

 

[Mian]

I haven't changed mine since I joined this forum 3+ years ago... but I will permanently change to Immy once he becomes PM.

lol ok

 

[Waseem]

But PTI already announced the candidate from there and have given him ticket?

Not sure, they may withdraw? If Hamid Mir is quoting Imran Khan on this then there must be something behind this. Also, looks like Imran Khan's interview with Hamid Mir tonight? If it is then IK should be careful, Hamid tries to be way too oversmart at times.

 

[Mian]

Not sure, they may withdraw? If Hamid Mir is quoting Imran Khan on this then there must be something behind this. Also, looks like Imran Khan's interview with Hamid Mir tonight? If it is then IK should be careful, Hamid tries to be way too oversmart at times.

I am not sure of the interview but yea Hamid Mir have this habit of twisting words i saw PTI website and a candidate for NA48 was mentioned there from Fata.

 

[PakWarrior]

PTI gave ticket to Muhammad Shah Khagga who lost in 2013 by just 2000 votes and that too without party vote so this looks quite a strong seat for PTI now.

Khagga is a well known land grabber from Pakpattan and has done some pretty bad stuff to people including land grabbing.

I wish PTI never gave him a ticket even if it means a loss in Pakpattan.

 

[Mamoon]

Khagga is a well known land grabber from Pakpattan and has done some pretty bad stuff to people including land grabbing.

I wish PTI never gave him a ticket even if it means a loss in Pakpattan.

Who cares, at least he knows the "science" of winning elections as per Imran Khan. [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] I think I am ready to vote for PTI again. After witnessing his interview with Nasim Zehra yesterday, I am ready to vote for the "scientists" who know "the science of winning elections".

 

[Loralai]

What are the key centre left stances of the AWP? I see myself as firmly on the centre left or genuine left here in the uk so would be interested to see what the AWP's stance is...

Freedom of religion, non aligned foreign policy, commitment of 10% GDP to education.

Please read the party manifesto for more information:

https://voteforawp.org/manifesto-en/

 

[hussain.r97]

Freedom of religion, non aligned foreign policy, commitment of 10% GDP to education.

Please read the party manifesto for more information:

https://voteforawp.org/manifesto-en/

I really like the look of their manifesto. It's just a matter of one or two seats to break into politics and gain exposure, we can only hope that they manage to pull it off somehow. They need more candidates in urban areas and need to campaign hard there, that is their best chance in my opinion.

It is a breath of fresh air to finally see a new party forming on the left. If there is one thing I dislike about PTI, it is their mixing of religion and politics, I am personally all for separation of state and religion.

 

[awan_from_soon]

Firdous Bibi struggling in NA72. According to Habib Akram a major reason for this is that she has alienated a portion of local PTI leadership after forcing a change in the PP panel under her.

 

[Mian]

So PTI aka Establishment ki party is not fielding a candidate against PTM candidate in FATA. IK said we shouldn't isolate them. Bad day for desi liberals
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI</a> will not field a candidate against PTM's South Waziristan candidate Ali Wazir as a good will gesture that we are with them and we have to solve their problems. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IKonGeo?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IKonGeo</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1011638368768331777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Mian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am thankful to <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI</a> for trusting me to sing their official song of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Elections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Elections2018</a> campaign. Further, I commend the efforts of PTI SMT & their support throughout. <a href="https://t.co/QpTf5lut6W">pic.twitter.com/QpTf5lut6W</a></p>— Farhan Saeed (@farhan_saeed) <a href="https://twitter.com/farhan_saeed/status/1011619532891357184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earlier <a href="https://twitter.com/farhan_saeed?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@farhan_saeed</a> met Chairman <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> <br>Farhan will be the sensational voice behind <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI</a>'s official election song. Looking forward to a powerful PTI melody! ✌ <a href="https://t.co/KDOr10EoEy">pic.twitter.com/KDOr10EoEy</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1011644429994733568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[waqar goraya]

So, both Mr Sumsam Bukhari and Mr Farrukh Altaf have been awarded tickets again. [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] you celebrated prematurely.

 

[Mian]

So, both Mr Sumsam Bukhari and Mr Farrukh Altaf have been awarded tickets again. [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] you celebrated prematurely.

It's looking all dark for us in Okara

 

[Mian]

What happened to all the liberals and feminists? A female candidate of PTI Zartaj Gul is standing against the strongest Laghari Sardars in South Punjab's most backward district after all the threats and nobody is talking about it? These same liberals and feminists miss no chance to bash PTI and IK but close their eyes when there is something to appreciate.

 

[Mian]

Bad News for PTI and PMLN. Fawad Ch (Jehlum), Sardar Ghulam Abbas (Chakwal) and Khaqan Abbasi (Murree) has been disqualified for contesting elections.

 

[Asim_khan]

Bad News for PTI and PMLN. Fawad Ch (Jehlum), Sardar Ghulam Abbas (Chakwal) and Khaqan Abbasi (Murree) has been disqualified for contesting elections.

Any reason why? Any chance of appealing?

 

[Mian]

Any reason why? Any chance of appealing?

Fawad is disqualified for not paying Agri tax but he in his statement said you don't need to pay Agri tax for land less than 12.5 acres so he will appeal in high court. Unfortunately we need both Sardar Ghulam Abbas and Fawad Ch to win these 2 seats otherwise we are losing them.

 

[PakWarrior]

Bad News for PTI and PMLN. Fawad Ch (Jehlum), Sardar Ghulam Abbas (Chakwal) and Khaqan Abbasi (Murree) has been disqualified for contesting elections.

This is a big blow for PTI. These were more or less two confirmed seats.

 

[Mian]

This is a big blow for PTI. These were more or less two confirmed seats.

And nobody can win these 2 seats for PTI except these 2 candidates.

 

[the Great Khan]

Freedom of religion, non aligned foreign policy, commitment of 10% GDP to education.

Please read the party manifesto for more information:

https://voteforawp.org/manifesto-en/

Thats a interesting manifesto and I'm actually in support of quite alot. However there is a catch. And this where the AWP will have to bide its time. The country is in no position to implement some of the items on that manifesto just yet. Also The manifesto lacks some details. The AWP will have to have a storng economic policy and show us how they will pay for some of those changes. Also I am somewhat sceptical about the religion part of the manifesto. It is vague and for them to succeed they need to be specific and provide details around this area otherwise they will be labelled Godless communists and will disappear into oblivion. Pakistan is a religiously conservative country be outwardly or inwardly. (some are conservative from the outside but get upto all sorts behind closed doors)

Also nothing about defence. We are at war and have been since 1947. They need to spell out how they are going to end the war and deal with the legacy of partition. Only then can they move ahead with a non partisan foreign policy..

 

[the Great Khan]

Firdous Bibi struggling in NA72. According to Habib Akram a major reason for this is that she has alienated a portion of local PTI leadership after forcing a change in the PP panel under her.

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never liked her to be honest..

 

[PakWarrior]

And nobody can win these 2 seats for PTI except these 2 candidates.

Totally agree.

 

[hussain.r97]

Thats a interesting manifesto and I'm actually in support of quite alot. However there is a catch. And this where the AWP will have to bide its time. The country is in no position to implement some of the items on that manifesto just yet. Also The manifesto lacks some details. The AWP will have to have a storng economic policy and show us how they will pay for some of those changes. Also I am somewhat sceptical about the religion part of the manifesto. It is vague and for them to succeed they need to be specific and provide details around this area otherwise they will be labelled Godless communists and will disappear into oblivion. Pakistan is a religiously conservative country be outwardly or inwardly. (some are conservative from the outside but get upto all sorts behind closed doors)

Also nothing about defence. We are at war and have been since 1947. They need to spell out how they are going to end the war and deal with the legacy of partition. Only then can they move ahead with a non partisan foreign policy..

This is their full, comprehensive manifesto - https://awamiworkersparty.org/manifesto-en/

I have not read it in detail yet, but maybe there is something about defense and all the other things you mentioned.

 

[Mian]

Nomination papers of the following #PTI candidates have been rejected:

1 - Sardar Yar Muhammad Rind
2 - Sardar Nasrullah Khan Dareshak
3 - Fawad Chaudhry
4 - Sardar Ghulam Abbas
5 - Khwaja Dawood Sulemani
6 - Barrister Ali Raza Dareshak
7 - Sardar Aftab Akber

Although they can still appeal. Most of them are confirmed seats of PTI so it can hurt really bad.

 

[saeedhk]

Seems like there are corrupt elements in the judiciary.

How come the papers of PML-N’s Abid Raza were accepted? He is a convicted murderer of six.

How come the nominations papers of convicted rapists, landgrabbers and financial theives who are contesting on PML-N’s tickets have been politely accepted. What a farce!

 

[hussain.r97]

Nomination papers of the following #PTI candidates have been rejected:

1 - Sardar Yar Muhammad Rind
2 - Sardar Nasrullah Khan Dareshak
3 - Fawad Chaudhry
4 - Sardar Ghulam Abbas
5 - Khwaja Dawood Sulemani
6 - Barrister Ali Raza Dareshak
7 - Sardar Aftab Akber

Although they can still appeal. Most of them are confirmed seats of PTI so it can hurt really bad.

These are big blows, hopefully most of them get cleared. What about PML-N and other parties? How many have been rejected?

 

[Mian]

These are big blows, hopefully most of them get cleared. What about PML-N and other parties? How many have been rejected?

Heard Khaqan Abbasi papers from his main seat NA57 are rejected he is also standing from NA53 against IK btu stand no chance there because of the PTI votebank. Younger brothr of Abir Sher Ali papers are also rejected.

29th is the last date to submit party ticket and if i am not wrong these candidates will have to go as Ind candidates on some other symbols even if they get cleared after that date. Saw many PTI candidates on social media sharing their ticket pics so i guess after 2 days we will see the campaigns accelerating and i hope the groupings and infighting finally comes to an end.

 

[Loralai]

Seems like there are corrupt elements in the judiciary.

How come the papers of PML-N’s Abid Raza were accepted? He is a convicted murderer of six.

How come the nominations papers of convicted rapists, landgrabbers and financial theives who are contesting on PML-N’s tickets have been politely accepted. What a farce!

I agree.

Is anyone able to provide a copy of PTI 2018 manifesto? All I could find on their website was one from 2013 (http://insaf.pk/public/insafpk/content/manifesto).

 

[Mian]

I agree.

Is anyone able to provide a copy of PTI 2018 manifesto? All I could find on their website was one from 2013 (http://insaf.pk/public/insafpk/content/manifesto).

It's coming next week.

 

[Loralai]

It's coming next week.

Come to think of it, I haven't seen a Noon league manifesto either. I wonder when they will release theirs.

I think it should be mandatory for a party manifesto to be released at least two/three months prior to the date of election. People need to know exactly what they are voting for so that they can hold leaders to account when promises don't materialise.

Having said that, we are a burgeoning democracy and it will take time for us to truly value and understand how valuable and precious democracy is. Only then can we think about widespread political and constitutional reform.

 

[Mian]

Come to think of it, I haven't seen a Noon league manifesto either. I wonder when they will release theirs.

I think it should be mandatory for a party manifesto to be released at least two/three months prior to the date of election. People need to know exactly what they are voting for so that they can hold leaders to account when promises don't materialise.

Having said that, we are a burgeoning democracy and it will take time for us to truly value and understand how valuable and precious democracy is. Only then can we think about widespread political and constitutional reform.

PTI for the first time came up with this 100 days plan and 11 points and guess what PMLN/PPP are calling it an attempt to influence the voters lol

 

[Loralai]

Thats a interesting manifesto and I'm actually in support of quite alot. However there is a catch. And this where the AWP will have to bide its time. The country is in no position to implement some of the items on that manifesto just yet. Also The manifesto lacks some details. The AWP will have to have a storng economic policy and show us how they will pay for some of those changes. Also I am somewhat sceptical about the religion part of the manifesto. It is vague and for them to succeed they need to be specific and provide details around this area otherwise they will be labelled Godless communists and will disappear into oblivion. Pakistan is a religiously conservative country be outwardly or inwardly. (some are conservative from the outside but get upto all sorts behind closed doors)

Also nothing about defence. We are at war and have been since 1947. They need to spell out how they are going to end the war and deal with the legacy of partition. Only then can they move ahead with a non partisan foreign policy..

Good feedback and valid points. I do agree with you that various parts of the manifesto need developing. Religion area is tricky territory as you say but I have been disappointed by the failures of the leading parties to address the needs of our minorities. The development of parties like TLYR is evidence of the failure of our state to provide securities for minorities and I think these parties should really be carefully monitored.

I personally think many of these changes can only be successfully implemented once power is taken away from certain institutions and invested in the people of Pakistan. The party will need to take its time - you are right - but it is a big step in the right direction and the fact that the party is only five years old means that it is still politically young and it needs time and experience.

It is however a huge positive that parties like AWP being involved with in the democratic process.

 

[the Great Khan]

This is their full, comprehensive manifesto - https://awamiworkersparty.org/manifesto-en/

I have not read it in detail yet, but maybe there is something about defense and all the other things you mentioned.

ok had a quick read. Some really good suggestions in their like the redistribution of land and the elimination of the sardar system. healthcare and educational provision was also positive. Also governance by devolution is also a good idea. I also like the workers rights stuff which is long overdue.

What i disagree on:

1) no defence policy. They don't have a defence policy other than saying we wont interfere in anyone's affairs but wont allow anyone to interefere in ours..er ok..I read alot of rhetoric around taking from the establishment and essentially sorting them out but nothing positive about defence. Someone needs to remind them of the fact that we are at war.

2) Economic policy. In general some good idea's but nationalising everything and bloating the public sector in a country like Pakistan is a sure fire way of increasing corruption. I was hoping for some a bit more innovative.

3) Religion. The emphasis on excluding religion from things isn't a good idea. Mushy tried it and it failed. You cannot bring an Ataturk style form of secularism to Pakistan. Secularism is just another word for "Godless-ness" in the Pakistani context. Also allowing abortion as a caste iron right for women whenever they feel like it is not on. I'm against abortion unless where permitted in Islam.

4)Law and order and corruption.
was a bit flimsy on this side of things..The country really needs help in this area and I was disapointed they didnt have enough there.

5) Foreign relations and policy. Again very very flimsy.


overall it is good to have a genuine left leaning party in pakistan as the PPP isnt one. But they have alot of work to do and some policy statements seem a bit pis in the sky..

 

[Syed1]

Shahid Khaqan Abbasi barred from contesting polls from NA-57

ISLAMABAD: An Election Tribunal on Wednesday sustained an appeal against former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi’s candidature in NA-57 (Murree), disqualifying him from contesting elections from the constituency.

The appellant tribunal chaired by Justice Ibadul Rehman Lodhi of the Lahore High Court (LHC) also rejected nomination papers of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Azhar Kiyani, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leaders Fawad Chaudhry for NA-67 (Jhelum-II) and Sardar Ghulam Abbas for NA-64 (Chakwal-I).

Imran Khan cleared to contest polls NA-53
The decision came on appeals filed by the candidates’ opponents, challenging returning officers’ (ROs) decision to accept the nomination papers.

PML-N heavyweights including former premier Abbasi, former foreign minister Khawaja Asif and Sardar Mehtab Abbasi were cleared for the upcoming general elections on Tuesday.

An election tribunal allowed Abbasi and senior leader Sardar Mehtab Abbasi to contest from the constituency of NA-53 Islamabad.

On Monday, Justice Mohsin Akhtar Kiyani of Islamabad’s appellate tribunal adjourned the hearing pertaining to the RO’s rejection of Abbasi and Sardar Mehtab’s candidature in NA-53.

During the hearing, Justice Kiyani remarked that a huge number of nomination papers were rejected due to incomplete bank accounts details and inquired whether the candidates were unable to comprehend the questions.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1743785/1-shahid-khaqan-abbasi-barred-contesting-polls-na-57/

 

[Syed1]

Nomination papers of the following #PTI candidates have been rejected:

1 - Sardar Yar Muhammad Rind
2 - Sardar Nasrullah Khan Dareshak
3 - Fawad Chaudhry
4 - Sardar Ghulam Abbas
5 - Khwaja Dawood Sulemani
6 - Barrister Ali Raza Dareshak
7 - Sardar Aftab Akber

Although they can still appeal. Most of them are confirmed seats of PTI so it can hurt really bad.

Damn Fawad Chaudry will be a big loss, but I heard he wasn't doing well in his constituency.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Nomination papers of the following #PTI candidates have been rejected:

1 - Sardar Yar Muhammad Rind
2 - Sardar Nasrullah Khan Dareshak
3 - Fawad Chaudhry
4 - Sardar Ghulam Abbas
5 - Khwaja Dawood Sulemani
6 - Barrister Ali Raza Dareshak
7 - Sardar Aftab Akber

Although they can still appeal. Most of them are confirmed seats of PTI so it can hurt really bad.

Damn, it seems like they went after PTI.

What about PMLN? Feel like other stuff is going on behind closed doors that we don't know about. Fishy.

 

[Mian]

Damn Fawad Chaudry will be a big loss, but I heard he wasn't doing well in his constituency.

Damn, it seems like they went after PTI.

What about PMLN? Feel like other stuff is going on behind closed doors that we don't know about. Fishy.

Really bad news if their appeals are rejected because on some of these seats we didn't even submitted covering candidate papers so that means there will be no PTI candidate.

 

[Syed1]

Another confirmed seat for PML-N in Pakpattan







These elections will be touch and go.... PTI needs to make sure they win all their potential seats in other areas because in Punjab I feel it will be 50% seats to Noon, 30-40% to PTI and the rest to other parties.

 

[Mian]

Another confirmed seat for PML-N in Pakpattan


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These elections will be touch and go.... PTI needs to make sure they win all their potential seats in other areas because in Punjab I feel it will be 50% seats to Noon, 30-40% to PTI and the rest to other parties.

Manika family is really strong there and PMLN played a master stroke by giving PP ticket to son in law and nephew of Imran's current wife. Imagine the media coverage if PTI had given him ticket.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Really bad news if their appeals are rejected because on some of these seats we didn't even submitted covering candidate papers so that means there will be no PTI candidate.

Has PTI issued any sort of statement?

They need to get the ball rolling with the deadline approaching.

 

[Mian]

Has PTI issued any sort of statement?

They need to get the ball rolling with the deadline approaching.

They are going in appeal saw Fawad statement.

 

[PakWarrior]

They are going in appeal saw Fawad statement.

If he wins appeal then he will have to run as independent as tomorrow lunchtime is deadline for all parties to finalize tickets.

This won't be an issue as it will be Fawad as a PTI candidate.

Same with Shahid Khaqan Abbasi if he wins appeal.

Verdict of appeals will take 3 days at least.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

If he wins appeal then he will have to run as independent as tomorrow lunchtime is deadline for all parties to finalize tickets.

This won't be an issue as it will be Fawad as a PTI candidate.

Same with Shahid Khaqan Abbasi if he wins appeal.

Verdict of appeals will take 3 days at least.

I think they should make an exception for such cases. If they file the appeal before the deadline and win they should be allowed to run with the party of the candidates choice IMO.

 

[Syed1]

Shahid Khaqan Abbasi disqualified for life from NA-57 for submitting forged documents.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Shahid Khaqan Abbasi disqualified for life from NA-57 for submitting forged documents.

Forged documents should lead to complete disqualification not just from that particular constituency.

 

[Hermoine Green]

So now i have bit of a free time so i can share my information regarding GE.

First of all let me talk about Bannu contest. Many many thinks that its impossible to beat Durrani but i believe PTI is going to win there. And i can give you 2 reasons for my strong trust.

1. Maulana Nasim Ali Shah, who took oath from 400 Maulanas that we all will vote for PTI, and let me tell you Maulana Nasim Ali Shah has a huge support and around 30 to 40K votes will be going in PTI's favor.

2. Another reason is Hamid shah, Durrani uspets him due to some ticket issues. And now Hamid Shah who urged his Halqa to vote for PTI, and believe me his whole Halqa follows Hamid Shah and they will definitely vote for PTI.

 

[Syed1]

Forged documents should lead to complete disqualification not just from that particular constituency.

That's what I was thinking but Pakistan is a weird country. Forged docs anywhere else in the world lead to complete disqualification and corruption/criminal trial initiated.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

That's what I was thinking but Pakistan is a weird country. Forged docs anywhere else in the world lead to complete disqualification and corruption/criminal trial initiated.

Pathetic to say the least.

So, is he allowed to just pick up his bags and go contest at another constituency? Must be great being a politician in Pakistan. Get chance after chance. No questions asked.

 

[Mian]

Forged documents should lead to complete disqualification not just from that particular constituency.

Shahid Khaqan Abbasi disqualified for life from NA-57 for submitting forged documents.

I think he can still appeal in high court or supreme court

 

[Syed1]

Pathetic to say the least.

So, is he allowed to just pick up his bags and go contest at another constituency? Must be great being a politician in Pakistan. Get chance after chance. No questions asked.

Yeah he is disqualified from Murree on corruption grounds but allowed to contest from Islamabad. Only in Pakistan.

 

[Mian]

So now i have bit of a free time so i can share my information regarding GE.

First of all let me talk about Bannu contest. Many many thinks that its impossible to beat Durrani but i believe PTI is going to win there. And i can give you 2 reasons for my strong trust.

1. Maulana Nasim Ali Shah, who took oath from 400 Maulanas that we all will vote for PTI, and let me tell you Maulana Nasim Ali Shah has a huge support and around 30 to 40K votes will be going in PTI's favor.

2. Another reason is Hamid shah, Durrani uspets him due to some ticket issues. And now Hamid Shah who urged his Halqa to vote for PTI, and believe me his whole Halqa follows Hamid Shah and they will definitely vote for PTI.

That's a great news! IK also convinced Iftikhar Mohmand to withdraw in favor of Ali Mohammad from NA22 Mardan and fully support him in return he will be given Senate seat. Heard some people area really upset over BRT but even than they are saying PTI did far better so we will vote for PTI

 

[Mian]

Yeah he is disqualified from Murree on corruption grounds but allowed to contest from Islamabad. Only in Pakistan.

Even if he is allowed to contest from NA53 trust me he stand no chance there against PTI!

 

[Syed1]

Even if he is allowed to contest from NA53 trust me he stand no chance there against PTI!

Because he will be up against IK

 

[Hermoine Green]

In Hangu according to ground information, Orakzai is going to win again INSHALLAH.

In Karrak, Shahid Khattak will win INSHALLAH

Kohat is a confirmed victory, INSHALLAH it is going to be massive one.