Politics - Pakistani 2018 General Election and post-election discussion

[waqar goraya]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION], if I'm not wrong one of the PTI's top choice was Tariq Khosa and not his younger sibling as claimed by Kamran Khan.

 

[Mian]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION], if I'm not wrong one of the PTI's top choice was Tariq Khosa and not his younger sibling as claimed by Kamran Khan.

Yea JKT team tweeted Nasir Khosa and Adnan Rasool names were given by PTI

 

[Mian]

A Wednesday is still a poor choice for elections. ECP itself trying its best to minimize voter turn out.

People, who work and study in other cities, won't be able to reach home to cast their votes.

How can we estimate a reasonable number of people who might not be able to vote because of work commitments?

1 million may be?

I think turnout will give us the better picture it also depend on the temp of that day. 55% turnout was last time that resulted in 7.8m votes for PTI this time we need higher turnout specially youth not just swing voters and wave.

 

[awan_from_soon]

The name of Tariq Khosa was recommended by PTI. So, N league must have asked, "what about his brother?". And PTI acquiesced, "why not". After all both of his brothers have very good reputation too.

But Nasir Khosa had also been close to PMLN's ruling cadre. Well, we will have to wait and see.

 

[awan_from_soon]

A Wednesday is still a poor choice for elections. ECP itself trying its best to minimize voter turn out.

People, who work and study in other cities, won't be able to reach home to cast their votes.

How can we estimate a reasonable number of people who might not be able to vote because of work commitments?

1 million may be?

ECP suggested 25, 26, 27 July for the government to choose from. 27 is a Friday - a stellar choice with the weekend ahead. But its the government who opted for a midweek day.

I concur that this will drag the turnout down. Last time PTI had generated this huge populist wave, and the elections were also on a Saturday. The turnout was impressive. This time, with the weekday date, a dejected electorate, and the hot and humid weather conditions, I won't be surprised if the turnout remains below 50%.

 

[King-Misbah]

This match has already been fixed. It will be a farce election with a lot of rigging. I will not appreciate PTI claiming about rigging when they are content with the names of the caretakers now. Nasir Ul Mulk gave a strange verdict in the rigging case; how did Imran Khan and PTI forget that? These guys are slow learners and I will not waste my energy supporting PTI when there are claims of wide scale rigging later.

 

[Mian]

This match has already been fixed. It will be a farce election with a lot of rigging. I will not appreciate PTI claiming about rigging when they are content with the names of the caretakers now. Nasir Ul Mulk gave a strange verdict in the rigging case; how did Imran Khan and PTI forget that? These guys are slow learners and I will not waste my energy supporting PTI when there are claims of wide scale rigging later.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CM KHOSA INSIDE STORY: New PbCM Khosa owns home in WashDC. Was Pak Rep in WorldBank 4 three yrs, wanted 2B Ambssador in US but 1 month back ShahbazSharif stopped him 2 play an impt role. Now cat is out of bag. He fought his brother Asif Saeed Khosa for gvg judgemnt against Nawaz.</p>— SHAHEEN SEHBAI (@SSEHBAI1) <a href="https://twitter.com/SSEHBAI1/status/1001183470566166529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Mian]

According to Sehbai Nasir Khosa flew from DC to Islamabad during Panama hearing in Supreme Court on request of Nawaz Sharif. However Justice Asif Khosa refused to meet his brother, since he knew Nasir would try to pressurize him. Nasir Khosa wasn't even allowed entry to justice Asif Khosa's house.

 

[Mian]

PTI will never learn from their past mistakes (welcoming Fakhru bhai and Sethi)

 

[King-Misbah]

According to Sehbai Nasir Khosa flew from DC to Islamabad during Panama hearing in Supreme Court on request of Nawaz Sharif. However Justice Asif Khosa refused to meet his brother, since he knew Nasir would try to pressurize him. Nasir Khosa wasn't even allowed entry to justice Asif Khosa's house.

Is PTI and IK ********? If we have this much political logic; how comes these guys don't? Are they content in losing? What's the point of the recent success if they are okay with the election manipulation. I have not heard good things about Mahmood Ur Rasheed in the past so this result is not surprising. JKT should try to take some action as he seems the only person I trust now.

 

[Waseem]

[MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] still no news regarding Usman Ibrahim?

As per the last update, still expected within 2-3 days, maybe waiting for assemblies to be dissolved.

 

[Waseem]

This match has already been fixed. It will be a farce election with a lot of rigging. I will not appreciate PTI claiming about rigging when they are content with the names of the caretakers now. Nasir Ul Mulk gave a strange verdict in the rigging case; how did Imran Khan and PTI forget that? These guys are slow learners and I will not waste my energy supporting PTI when there are claims of wide scale rigging later.

I agree to some extent but they couldn't do much at least in Nasir ul Mulk's case as PTI does not have opposition leader so all they could do was appreciate him to build trust and goodwill.

What i don't understand is why such widespread praise for Nasir ul Mulk without a reminder to him about massive irregularities? Imran Khan could have easily said "We don't have any reservations about Nasir ul Mulk and hope he will ensure free & fair elections addressing ALL the irregularities in 2013 elections. This way you can put pressure on him to address those issues he pointed himself without criticising him???

 

[Waseem]

According to Sehbai Nasir Khosa flew from DC to Islamabad during Panama hearing in Supreme Court on request of Nawaz Sharif. However Justice Asif Khosa refused to meet his brother, since he knew Nasir would try to pressurize him. Nasir Khosa wasn't even allowed entry to justice Asif Khosa's house.

As usually Sharifs find a dodgy member of family who is willing to to serve them. Do you remember sudden rise of Zubair Umar after Asad Umar got huge praise from all corners of Pakistan?? They found Zubair and promoted him to counter his brother's popularity.
Asif Saeed Khosa was known to be a principled man and Tariq Khosa also have great reputation but somehow they promote a lesser known sibling who is willing to serve them.

As for our opposition Mahmood ur Rasheed, he has always been a useless and incompetent person. Not sure why he was opposition leader in the first place since PTI had Dr Murad Raas and Mian Aslam.

 

[waqar goraya]

Yea JKT team tweeted Nasir Khosa and Adnan Rasool names were given by PTI

But i read in the paper that Tariq Khosa's name was initially recommended by PTI.

 

[saeedhk]

Khosa is a close confidante of Shahbaz Sharif.I cannot understand why Mahmood Ur Rasheed accepted the name after a meeting with SS.

A repeat of 2013 all over again.Khosa has a vast experience in administration.This will probably be used by the Sharifs to rig the elections.

 

[Syed1]

So general consensus is the caretaker CM for Punjab is bad and PTI got duped once again?



Koi apnay paaon pe kulhaari marna insay seekhay

 

[Mian]

As usually Sharifs find a dodgy member of family who is willing to to serve them. Do you remember sudden rise of Zubair Umar after Asad Umar got huge praise from all corners of Pakistan?? They found Zubair and promoted him to counter his brother's popularity.
Asif Saeed Khosa was known to be a principled man and Tariq Khosa also have great reputation but somehow they promote a lesser known sibling who is willing to serve them.

As for our opposition Mahmood ur Rasheed, he has always been a useless and incompetent person. Not sure why he was opposition leader in the first place since PTI had Dr Murad Raas and Mian Aslam.

And adding to your points he was Chief Secretary of Punjab and that too under Sharif so he knows how things work in Punjab the bureaucracy and machinery. Don't know what PTI was thinking He can be more deadly than Sethi who had no experience of working with Punjab bureaucracy.

 

[Waseem]

And adding to your points he was Chief Secretary of Punjab and that too under Sharif so he knows how things work in Punjab the bureaucracy and machinery. Don't know what PTI was thinking He can be more deadly than Sethi who had no experience of working with Punjab bureaucracy.

I can play devil's advocate here and bring a different perspective.

When Saqib Nisar became Chief Justice, we all suspected that he may serve Sharifs since he had represented them as a lawyer but so far he has done anything but serve them (I still have few reservations about him but he has been impartial overall).

Similarly this Khosa may have worked under Shahbaz Sharif but he has had clean past and no corruption cases so hopefully he would not serve them as expected, all we want from him is free & fair elections and he may not prove to be a disaster. Also, Najam Sethi admitted on tv that Punjab bureaucracy was still reporting to Shahbaz Sharif when he was CM Punjab which is difficult in Khosa's case since he knows them all well which can work either way.

I sincerely hope Imran khan comes on media with report of rigging case and highlight massive issues from 2013 elections and declares that although he trusts these people (he has no option now anyway) but he wants to ensure every issue raised during 2013 MUST NOT BE REPEATED and we have proper audit system in place.

 

[awan_from_soon]

I can play devil's advocate here and bring a different perspective.

When Saqib Nisar became Chief Justice, we all suspected that he may serve Sharifs since he had represented them as a lawyer but so far he has done anything but serve them (I still have few reservations about him but he has been impartial overall).

Similarly this Khosa may have worked under Shahbaz Sharif but he has had clean past and no corruption cases so hopefully he would not serve them as expected, all we want from him is free & fair elections and he may not prove to be a disaster. Also, Najam Sethi admitted on tv that Punjab bureaucracy was still reporting to Shahbaz Sharif when he was CM Punjab which is difficult in Khosa's case since he knows them all well which can work either way.

I sincerely hope Imran khan comes on media with report of rigging case and highlight massive issues from 2013 elections and declares that although he trusts these people (he has no option now anyway) but he wants to ensure every issue raised during 2013 MUST NOT BE REPEATED and we have proper audit system in place.

This is my point of view as well. But then again Nasir Khosa has a $750k property in Fairfax, Virginia.

Also, as per Election Act 2017, ECP has superseded the care taker setup. All bureaucracy transfers/postings have to go through them. Doubt a hand-picked bureaucrat can counter that power. This is significantly different from the 2013 scenario where there were rampant transfers in Punjab and Sindh to get handpicked bureaucrats to sit in important districts.

Finally, if the Deep State is against Nawaz coming to power, no amount of Khosas and Nasirs can save them.

 

[awan_from_soon]

I just spotted something interesting. Watch what is happening underneath the table around the 0:06 mark.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Glad to announce that Leader of the opposition Punjab and I have agreed on the name of Nasir Saeed Khosa as caretaker Chief Minister Punjab for interim setup. Another step towards strengthening democratic process. <a href="https://t.co/FVfU5Edqgk">pic.twitter.com/FVfU5Edqgk</a></p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1001088133113491457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[hussain.r97]

This is my point of view as well. But then again Nasir Khosa has a $750k property in Fairfax, Virginia.

Also, as per Election Act 2017, ECP has superseded the care taker setup. All bureaucracy transfers/postings have to go through them. Doubt a hand-picked bureaucrat can counter that power. This is significantly different from the 2013 scenario where there were rampant transfers in Punjab and Sindh to get handpicked bureaucrats to sit in important districts.

Finally, if the Deep State is against Nawaz coming to power, no amount of Khosas and Nasirs can save them.

Exactly this. IF the Election Act is put into practice, and ECP does exercise it's powers to conduct free and fair elections, then I don't think we need to worry too much. The Election Act has made things different from the past.

 

[Mian]

I can play devil's advocate here and bring a different perspective.

When Saqib Nisar became Chief Justice, we all suspected that he may serve Sharifs since he had represented them as a lawyer but so far he has done anything but serve them (I still have few reservations about him but he has been impartial overall).

Similarly this Khosa may have worked under Shahbaz Sharif but he has had clean past and no corruption cases so hopefully he would not serve them as expected, all we want from him is free & fair elections and he may not prove to be a disaster. Also, Najam Sethi admitted on tv that Punjab bureaucracy was still reporting to Shahbaz Sharif when he was CM Punjab which is difficult in Khosa's case since he knows them all well which can work either way.

I sincerely hope Imran khan comes on media with report of rigging case and highlight massive issues from 2013 elections and declares that although he trusts these people (he has no option now anyway) but he wants to ensure every issue raised during 2013 MUST NOT BE REPEATED and we have proper audit system in place.

Kinda agree with you but i am extra careful this time because this is a do and die election for sharif famiyl survival so they will use whatever tactic they can to win it

 

[Mian]

Correct me if i am wrong but i think Nasir ul Mulk was a PCO judge? Why all this praise for Nasir ul Mulk by Noora when he was accusing all PCO judges a few months ago?

 

[Mian]

Change in Party Symbols

PPP is going to use sword this time instead of arrow and PMLQ is going to use Tractor instead of Cycle. PTI, PMLN, PPP and MMA symbols are same.

 

[Mian]

PP 145, Ali Asghar Manda MPA joins PTI

 

[Mian]

Anyone here aware o how PTV works under interim setup? PTV can play a massive role in propaganda because it is the most watched channel in Pak specially in rural areas. So are they going to give coverage to all parties during election season or they are not going to cover elections?

 

[hussain.r97]

Anyone here aware o how PTV works under interim setup? PTV can play a massive role in propaganda because it is the most watched channel in Pak specially in rural areas. So are they going to give coverage to all parties during election season or they are not going to cover elections?

That's interesting, I didn't know that. What is the reason? Is it because they don't recieve any other channels in rural areas?

 

[Mian]

Looks like SMQ group finally got the power. From now onwards anyone thinking of joining PTI must seek approval from a committee set up by IK for this purpose. The members of the committee are Shah Mahmud Qureshi, Jahangir Tarin, Ch Sarwer, Arif Alvi, Yar Mohd Rind, Atif Khan.

That's what NuH tweeted

 

[Mian]

That's interesting, I didn't know that. What is the reason? Is it because they don't recieve any other channels in rural areas?

Yep no cable access in majority of rural areas (not even in some urban areas) and everyone can't afford dish and tv boxes so they have to watch PTV/PTV News thats available everywhere in Pakistan.

 

[Mian]

One thing i noticed everyone ignored so far is the influence of local governments in Punjab. These PMLN Mayors, Chairmen, Councilors are going to play a major role in these elections and they were released funds recently so it's not like PMLN isn't going to have a say during interim setup.

 

[Mian]

So PTI is going to do seat adjustment with PMLQ on at least 4 seats. 2 of Gujrat, one from Chakwal and one from Bahwalpur.

 

[Mian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">مریم بی بی کی پریس کانفرنس سے قبل خواتین ایم این ایز کی قطار بنائی جا رہی ہے۔ یہ شاہانہ طرز سیاست کیوں پسند کی جا رہی ہے۔ پروٹوکول کے بھوکے لوگ۔ <a href="https://t.co/jOARtXOrHn">pic.twitter.com/jOARtXOrHn</a></p>— Inamullah Khattak (@Khan_Inam1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Khan_Inam1/status/1001371425448644609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[saeedhk]

So PTI is going to do seat adjustment with PMLQ on at least 4 seats. 2 of Gujrat, one from Chakwal and one from Bahwalpur.

Good move!

 

[the Great Khan]

Kinda agree with you but i am extra careful this time because this is a do and die election for sharif famiyl survival so they will use whatever tactic they can to win it

this is why we should temper our enthusiasm. They control the grassroots where they can threaten intimidate and bribe their way to election rigging. They will fight tooth and nail. I wouldn't be surprised if they rig to the extent that they win again. Showbaaz is sitting pretty because he knows they are going to rig. It doesnt matter how many turn up to rallies, they will rig for survival.

 

[Mian]

Have you guys noticed the boot polishing by Shobaz today? He is trying his best to impress army and giving a message to noon voters ke army humaare sath he by uploading those images and videos today

 

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[Mian]

So the rumour are that Reham is launching his book on 20 July just before elections and there is a talk of a video too

 

[Syed1]

Shafqat Mehmood is better than many in the PTI at handling the media and putting PTI point forward without getting jazbaati or lacking info

 

[waqar goraya]

Shafqat Mehmood is better than many in the PTI at handling the media and putting PTI point forward without getting jazbaati or lacking info

You probably know that he has been a CSP officer and a columnist. So, handling situations and people is his job.

But he is way too soft many times.Speaks too little. He has a good answer which is meant for a highly educated person but for a layman his method is not effective.

 

[waqar goraya]

So the rumour are that Reham is launching his book on 20 July just before elections and there is a talk of a video too

20 July, would be a little too late for a real effect imo. They are a week late.

 

[waqar goraya]

So, no body has taken this news seriously here. I think these issues could cause a delay. ARY highlighted this issue today quite a lot, and considering their good relations with establishment this does not bode well for 25 July elections.

IHC sets aside delimitation of 4 constituencies, reserves verdict on 5 others

The IHC will now take up another 37 petitions related to 20 other constituencies on Wednesday.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1410752/i...4-constituencies-reserves-verdict-on-5-others

 

[waqar goraya]

I just spotted something interesting. Watch what is happening underneath the table around the 0:06 mark.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Glad to announce that Leader of the opposition Punjab and I have agreed on the name of Nasir Saeed Khosa as caretaker Chief Minister Punjab for interim setup. Another step towards strengthening democratic process. <a href="https://t.co/FVfU5Edqgk">pic.twitter.com/FVfU5Edqgk</a></p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1001088133113491457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Have they paid the right price?

 

[Mian]

So, no body has taken this news seriously here. I think these issues could cause a delay. ARY highlighted this issue today quite a lot, and considering their good relations with establishment this does not bode well for 25 July elections.

IHC sets aside delimitation of 4 constituencies, reserves verdict on 5 others

The IHC will now take up another 37 petitions related to 20 other constituencies on Wednesday.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1410752/i...4-constituencies-reserves-verdict-on-5-others

Yea saw this being covered in Sabir Shakir show but in my view the delay cant hurt PMLN more than PTI right now.

 

[Mian]

The way i see it the nazryaati brigade is getting power again within PTI and Tareen is on back seat now and if this time PTI lose these nazryaati should be hanged along with their new leader SMQ (who himself wasn't a nazryati but leading this group now). Not much PTI activity in last 2 weeks while PMLN is gaining ground again and trying to play on front foot thank you nazyraatis

 

[waqar goraya]

Yea saw this being covered in Sabir Shakir show but in my view the delay cant hurt PMLN more than PTI right now.

Arshad Sharif also had the same topic. These people are considered close to those circles. So, does the establishment want a little delay in election date to minimize the hold that N league has on the power/administration circles in Punjab?
As was the case in previous elections when Najam Sethi admitted that bureaucracy used to report to Sharifs and not him during interim period.

 

[waqar goraya]

The way i see it the nazryaati brigade is getting power again within PTI and Tareen is on back seat now and if this time PTI lose these nazryaati should be hanged along with their new leader SMQ (who himself wasn't a nazryati but leading this group now). Not much PTI activity in last 2 weeks while PMLN is gaining ground again and trying to play on front foot thank you nazyraatis

If we stick to this nazaryatis thing then we would not be able to select a team of 11 players.

But i believe that JKT will always remain close to Immy and IK himself knows electable importance very well.

 

[Mian]

Arshad Sharif also had the same topic. These people are considered close to those circles. So, does the establishment want a little delay in election date to minimize the hold that N league has on the power/administration circles in Punjab?
As was the case in previous elections when Najam Sethi admitted that bureaucracy used to report to Sharifs and not him during interim period.

I am not sure if establishment wants a delay but a chief secretary being appointed as interim CM can be deadly he knows all the tricks and how the govt machinery works and if he try to help Sharifs trust me there is nothing much PTI can do to stop them from getting majority again in Punjab.

 

[Mian]

If we stick to this nazaryatis thing then we would not be able to select a team of 11 players.

But i believe that JKT will always remain close to Immy and IK himself knows electable importance very well.

These nazryaatis are the zamaanat zabat group. Where was Hamid Khan all these years and where was Saifullah? all of them are appearing on scene now. Have you checked the news about this new committee formed by PTI headed by SMQ to scrutinize the new joining? Another news is SMQ himself wants 6 tickets for himself and his son, 3 NA and 3 PP tickets

 

[awan_from_soon]

I am not sure if establishment wants a delay but a chief secretary being appointed as interim CM can be deadly he knows all the tricks and how the govt machinery works and if he try to help Sharifs trust me there is nothing much PTI can do to stop them from getting majority again in Punjab.

I don't know what the fuss is about. This is not 2013. The Election Act of 2017 makes the former chief secretary powerless in making transfers and postings without explicit approval from ECP. Every bureaucrat's posting/transfer has to go to ECP for finalization. This critical power didn't exist back when Sethi fixed some punctures.

 

[awan_from_soon]

Have they paid the right price?

Don't know. But his whole body language looked pressured and anxious. Shahbaz was asserting dominance with that leg play underneath the table while MuR was shaking his right leg periodically and blinking quite a lot.

PTI could have made a better opposition leader in Punjab.

 

[awan_from_soon]

Change in Party Symbols

PPP is going to use sword this time instead of arrow and PMLQ is going to use Tractor instead of Cycle. PTI, PMLN, PPP and MMA symbols are same.

PPP doesn't contest elections. It is PPPP that does, and they are sticking with the teer. PPP is just getting the symbol out of spite so that PPP-Workers of Safdar Abbasi doesn't get it.

 

[Mian]

PPP doesn't contest elections. It is PPPP that does, and they are sticking with the teer. PPP is just getting the symbol out of spite so that PPP-Workers of Safdar Abbasi doesn't get it.

True the news was kinda confusing PPPP was registered with Amin Fahim name when bibi was in exile if i remember correctly

 

[awan_from_soon]

True the news was kinda confusing PPPP was registered with Amin Fahim name when bibi was in exile if i remember correctly

Yes, and currently under Zardari's name. While PPP is registered under Baby Bilawal.

 

[Mian]

I just spotted something interesting. Watch what is happening underneath the table around the 0:06 mark.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Glad to announce that Leader of the opposition Punjab and I have agreed on the name of Nasir Saeed Khosa as caretaker Chief Minister Punjab for interim setup. Another step towards strengthening democratic process. <a href="https://t.co/FVfU5Edqgk">pic.twitter.com/FVfU5Edqgk</a></p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1001088133113491457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Interesting find but yeh Shobaz kis cheaz ka ishara ker raha tha iska paon se? trying to stop him from saying something?

 

[Mian]

Sehbai with a UTurn within 24 hours
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">KHOSA STORY-4: Malik ZahoorAhmed, a trusted friend jst sent a msg that he knows Khosa for 40 yrs, he got the TownHouse wth a 2% intrest loan frm WorldBank as per entitlement, He's a man of integrity, honesty n sterling charcter. No1 can point a finger. MR KHOSA MAY PL DELIVER NOW</p>— SHAHEEN SEHBAI (@SSEHBAI1) <a href="https://twitter.com/SSEHBAI1/status/1001557822092513280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[awan_from_soon]

PMLN with a heavy lead in Kasur. But there is an interesting dynamic here. This constituency is created from Old NA-139 (Wasim Akhtar Sheikh) and a significant portion of Old NA-140 (Rasheed Ahmed Khan).

According to Habib Akram, if Rasheed is ignored and ticket is given to Wasim, then PMLN will most definitely lose. If Rasheed is given ticket then PMLN will likely win but with a slender margin.

 

[awan_from_soon]

Sehbai with a UTurn within 24 hours
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">KHOSA STORY-4: Malik ZahoorAhmed, a trusted friend jst sent a msg that he knows Khosa for 40 yrs, he got the TownHouse wth a 2% intrest loan frm WorldBank as per entitlement, He's a man of integrity, honesty n sterling charcter. No1 can point a finger. MR KHOSA MAY PL DELIVER NOW</p>— SHAHEEN SEHBAI (@SSEHBAI1) <a href="https://twitter.com/SSEHBAI1/status/1001557822092513280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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WHAT.

 

[Mian]

PMLN with a heavy lead in Kasur. But there is an interesting dynamic here. This constituency is created from Old NA-139 (Wasim Akhtar Sheikh) and a significant portion of Old NA-140 (Rasheed Ahmed Khan).

According to Habib Akram, if Rasheed is ignored and ticket is given to Wasim, then PMLN will most definitely lose. If Rasheed is given ticket then PMLN will likely win but with a slender margin.

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Wow PTI gaining support in Qasur where they performed really badly in GE and LG

 

[Mian]

WHAT.

yes

 

[Mian]

 

[awan_from_soon]

Wow PTI gaining support in Qasur where they performed really badly in GE and LG

Major reason: Murder of Ch. Manzur's (PPP) votebank.

The poor fellow played the Zainab issue so hard on the media but couldn't get any traction due to his sh*t party affiliation.

 

[waqar goraya]

I don't know what the fuss is about. This is not 2013. The Election Act of 2017 makes the former chief secretary powerless in making transfers and postings without explicit approval from ECP. Every bureaucrat's posting/transfer has to go to ECP for finalization. This critical power didn't exist back when Sethi fixed some punctures.

ECP is going to conduct elections with the help from judiciary.

 

[awan_from_soon]

Interesting find but yeh Shobaz kis cheaz ka ishara ker raha tha iska paon se? trying to stop him from saying something?

Don't know. But the mos obvious conclusion is that he is likely a compromised character. PTI should be careful with him.

 

[awan_from_soon]

ECP is going to conduct elections with the help from judiciary.

Sorry, didn't quite get you. Do you mean lower judiciary?

 

[Mian]

Major reason: Murder of Ch. Manzur's (PPP) votebank.

The poor fellow played the Zainab issue so hard on the media but couldn't get any traction due to his sh*t party affiliation.

Ch Manzur looks like a sensible guy heard him a few times. I heard Sardar Asif Ali is coming back in PTI? What are his chances in Qasur now any personal votebank left?

 

[Mian]

Sorry, didn't quite get you. Do you mean lower judiciary?

Last time CJ Iftikhar was involved with ROs so i guess he means higher judiciary

 

[Mian]

Don't know. But the mos obvious conclusion is that he is likely a compromised character. PTI should be careful with him.

Yea i always thought of him as a dodgy character the way he remained silent and he is a seasoned politician was MPA back in 1988 and 1990 under IJI umbrella

 

[awan_from_soon]

Ch Manzur looks like a sensible guy heard him a few times. I heard Sardar Asif Ali is coming back in PTI? What are his chances in Qasur now any personal votebank left?

As per my understanding he is already in PTI?

Sardar Aif and Khurshid Kasuri don't see eye to eye. Both will be looking to get the city constituency. Unless they contest with unity, neither can win. But, if you ask me, I will tilt the balance in favor of KK. He seems the more powerful candidate atm.

 

[Mian]

As per my understanding he is already in PTI?

Sardar Aif and Khurshid Kasuri don't see eye to eye. Both will be looking to get the city constituency. Unless they contest with unity, neither can win. But, if you ask me, I will tilt the balance in favor of KK. He seems the more powerful candidate atm.

I thought he left PTI a few years ago and IIRC he was standing with Qadri during dherna days.

 

[waqar goraya]

Sorry, didn't quite get you. Do you mean lower judiciary?

ROs will be from lower judiciary. Lower judiciary is answerable to high courts.

So, i was saying that for a fair election these two institutions are pivotal, ECP and judiciary.

 

[waqar goraya]

As per my understanding he is already in PTI?

Sardar Aif and Khurshid Kasuri don't see eye to eye. Both will be looking to get the city constituency. Unless they contest with unity, neither can win. But, if you ask me, I will tilt the balance in favor of KK. He seems the more powerful candidate atm.

All in all, not much of a chance of seats from Kasur.

 

[awan_from_soon]

So the rumour are that Reham is launching his book on 20 July just before elections and there is a talk of a video too

Great date for PTI. Not so much for Reham\PMLN's motives.

The closer she releases the book to the elections, more people will see her for what she really is. Because choosing that date, she is directly trying to sabotage PTI's chances in the election. Further still, it will take time for whatever she is pandering to diffuse out in the public. And 5 days are not enough for that.

 

[awan_from_soon]

I thought he left PTI a few years ago and IIRC he was standing with Qadri during dherna days.

He joined back in November 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWThXPmBtaA

 

[waqar goraya]

Btw, it seems that PTI bowlers are tired now, no major new wickets expected.

 

[awan_from_soon]

Btw, it seems that PTI bowlers are tired now, no major new wickets expected.

I am sure we will see some wickets once the assemblies dissolve.

 

[awan_from_soon]

ROs will be from lower judiciary. Lower judiciary is answerable to high courts.

So, i was saying that for a fair election these two institutions are pivotal, ECP and judiciary.

Exactly, yes. This is why PMLN tried to appease the judiciary with Nasirul Mulk.

 

[waqar goraya]

I am sure we will see some wickets once the assemblies dissolve.

huh, waiting for the new ball.

I don't know why those batsmen are playing so defensively. There is no point of tuk tuk when it is already over.

 

[awan_from_soon]

huh, waiting for the new ball.

I don't know why those batsmen are playing so defensively. There is no point of tuk tuk when it is already over.

Vested interests? Looking for how far PMLN can go to stop them from leaving? IMO, the more resistant a candidate is to leaving PMLN, the less loyal will they be to PTI.

 

[Mian]

Great date for PTI. Not so much for Reham\PMLN's motives.

The closer she releases the book to the elections, more people will see her for what she really is. Because choosing that date, she is directly trying to sabotage PTI's chances in the election. Further still, it will take time for whatever she is pandering to diffuse out in the public. And 5 days are not enough for that.

True that but it also depends how serious is the content that is published and if there is anything to back it.

 

[Mian]

He joined back in November 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWThXPmBtaA

oh ok missed this news thanks for sharing