Politics - Pakistani 2018 General Election and post-election discussion

[Mian]

Btw, it seems that PTI bowlers are tired now, no major new wickets expected.

Ghulam Abbas from Chakwal is expected but there is also this news of PTI leaving one seat for PMLQ in Chakwal

 

[Mian]

Exactly, yes. This is why PMLN tried to appease the judiciary with Nasirul Mulk.

I saw a tweet from GEO back in 2010 and there was 3 members bench that had Nasir ul Mulk, Javed Iqbal and Saqib Nisar. What a co incidence lol all of the three are holding important positions now after 8 years one is heading NAB the other one is interim PM and the third one is current CJ

 

[Mian]

Vested interests? Looking for how far PMLN can go to stop them from leaving? IMO, the more resistant a candidate is to leaving PMLN, the less loyal will they be to PTI.

huh, waiting for the new ball.

I don't know why those batsmen are playing so defensively. There is no point of tuk tuk when it is already over.

I heard PMLN sitting MNA from Lahore Shekh Rohail Asghar is ready to jump the ship but he want a confirmed ticket from PTI

 

[Mian]

Sehbai under massive attack
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">KHOSA STORY: Friends, those attacking me, pl stay calm as I hv just given out Khosa's version, thru his frnd. These r NOT my views. I have quoted the person. Appointments at this level r not MADE OR BROKEN by media or Twts. I honestly gave 1st Info in 3 Twts n the other side 2day</p>— SHAHEEN SEHBAI (@SSEHBAI1) <a href="https://twitter.com/SSEHBAI1/status/1001575790222499842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[awan_from_soon]

I saw a tweet from GEO back in 2010 and there was 3 members bench that had Nasir ul Mulk, Javed Iqbal and Saqib Nisar. What a co incidence lol all of the three are holding important positions now after 8 years one is heading NAB the other one is interim PM and the third one is current CJ

If Nasirul Mulk is anything like his co-benchers, PMLN are in for a hell of a wild ride. But I doubt it, since Nasirul Mulk's tenure was not flashy nor marked with landmark judgments. He seems a quiet character.

 

[Mian]

If Nasirul Mulk is anything like his co-benchers, PMLN are in for a hell of a wild ride. But I doubt it, since Nasirul Mulk's tenure was not flashy nor marked with landmark judgments. He seems a quiet character.

He had his up and downs. At one side he disqualified PM Gillani (Khosa was also part of that bench) and on the other side he gave clean chit to PMLN in JC 2015

 

[King-Misbah]

He had his up and downs. At one side he disqualified PM Gillani (Khosa was also part of that bench) and on the other side he gave clean chit to PMLN in JC 2015

Gillani disqualification was not a great verdict as Nawaz Sharif was the petitioner.

 

[Mian]

Gillani disqualification was not a great verdict as Nawaz Sharif was the petitioner.

Yea but Khosa words from that verdict will always be remembered just like the use of Godfather and Mafia for NS by Khosa in recent verdict.

Here is what he wrote in Gillani;s verdict:

Pity the nation that achieves nationhood in the name of a religion

but pays little heed to truth, righteousness and accountability

which are the essence of every religion.

Pity the nation that proclaims democracy as its polity

but restricts it to queuing up for casting of ballots only

and discourages democratic values.

Pity the nation that measures honour with success

and respect with authority,

that despises sublime and cherishes mundane,

that treats a criminal as a hero and considers civility as weakness

and that deems a sage a fool and venerates the wicked.

Pity the nation that adopts a Constitution

but allows political interests to outweigh constitutional diktat.

Pity the nation that demands justice for all

but is agitated when justice hurts its political loyalty.

Pity the nation whose servants treat their solemn oaths

as nothing more than a formality before entering upon an office.

Pity the nation that elects a leader as a redeemer

but expects him to bend every law to favour his benefactors.

Pity the nation whose leaders seek martyrdom

through disobeying the law

than giving sacrifices for the glory of law

and who see no shame in crime.

Pity the nation that is led by those

who laugh at the law

little realizing that the law shall have the last laugh.

Pity the nation that launches a movement for rule of law

but cries foul when the law is applied against its bigwig,

that reads judicial verdicts through political glasses

and that permits skills of advocacy to be practised

more vigorously outside the courtroom than inside.

Pity the nation that punishes its weak and poor

but is shy of bringing its high and mighty to book.

Pity the nation that clamours for equality before law

but has selective justice close to its heart.

Pity the nation that thinks from its heart

and not from its head.

Indeed, pity the nation

that does not discern villainy from nobility.

 

[Mian]

Ch Nisar ke liay doob merne ka maqam when you see Hanif Abbasi name in PMLN's parliamentary board but Ch Nisar.

 

[awan_from_soon]

Ch Nisar ke liay doob merne ka maqam when you see Hanif Abbasi name in PMLN's parliamentary board but Ch Nisar.

100% sahi baat ki hai.

 

[saeedhk]

PMLN with a heavy lead in Kasur. But there is an interesting dynamic here. This constituency is created from Old NA-139 (Wasim Akhtar Sheikh) and a significant portion of Old NA-140 (Rasheed Ahmed Khan).

According to Habib Akram, if Rasheed is ignored and ticket is given to Wasim, then PMLN will most definitely lose. If Rasheed is given ticket then PMLN will likely win but with a slender margin.

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Sums up the intellectual and morals of Pakistanis. With all the child sex abuse cases coming out of Kasur and the local MNAs and MPAs refusing to do anything about the issue, I had expected the results to be different.

PML-N MPA Malik Saeed who was involved in the Kasur pedophile ring that abused more than 280 boys and girls will most likely be elected again. Shame! Pakistanis are the most morally-corrupt race.

 

[waqar goraya]

Ch Nisar ke liay doob merne ka maqam when you see Hanif Abbasi name in PMLN's parliamentary board but Ch Nisar.

Nisar ko ab aadat si ho gai hai!

How could Nisar sit beside Maryam, Khawaja Asif and co?

He might himself not wanted to sit with these people ! Nisar does not has the spine to leave N league. He should announce retirement from politics and support PTI candidates in his area.

 

[Mian]

Nisar ko ab aadat si ho gai hai!

How could Nisar sit beside Maryam, Khawaja Asif and co?

He might himself not wanted to sit with these people ! Nisar does not has the spine to leave N league. He should announce retirement from politics and support PTI candidates in his area.

lol his egos is too big to withdraw in support of others. Someone told me his banners in Pindi don't mention name of PMLN anymore and there are no pics of Nawaz Shahbaz on them.

 

[Mian]

 

[Mian]

Maryam Nawaz, Hamza Shahabaz in PMLN Ticket allocation board

Bilawal & Faryal Falpur in PPP ticket allocation board

No son/daughter or any relative of any PTI leadership is in ticket allocation board.

Thats the change IK promised.

 

[Mian]

My vote for Major Zaheer!

 

[Mian]

Orya Maqbool about his old friend Nasir Khosa (Orya was a bureaucrat too)

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[Waseem]

My vote for Major Zaheer!

I wasn't going to come to Pakistan to vote for PTI but ab Maulana k liye aana hi parega. Vote de k qaumi farz, Islamic farz aur social responsibility poori ho jaayegi, bus wife se ijaazat leta hon aaj hi

 

[Waseem]

Most journalists are reporting massive load shedding including Hamid Mir, Mazhar Abbas etc but PMLN social media is giving impression that there is no load shedding so as soon as assemblies dissolve, they can blame hidden hands of increasing load shedding.

 

[Mian]

Most journalists are reporting massive load shedding including Hamid Mir, Mazhar Abbas etc but PMLN social media is giving impression that there is no load shedding so as soon as assemblies dissolve, they can blame hidden hands of increasing load shedding.

another deep state ki sazish as our brother TSP claimed

 

[Mian]

There is a twist Mehmud ur Rasheed is forced to take back Khosa name by party

 

[Mian]

So Mehmud ur Rasheed is saying "there was some confusion in Tariq Khosa & Nasir Khosa’s name”

 

[saeedhk]

PML-N MPA from RYK joins the PTI.JKT back in action after a lull.

 

[Syed1]

So Mehmud ur Rasheed is saying "there was some confusion in Tariq Khosa & Nasir Khosa’s name”

PTI doing a U-turn does not look good atleast on the press

 

[Syed1]

Man if PTI lose these elections they have only themselves to blame for their incompetence, in-fighting and excellent ability to be duped.

 

[Syed1]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] who is going to be PTI's next candidate?

 

[Mian]

Man if PTI lose these elections they have only themselves to blame for their incompetence, in-fighting and excellent ability to be duped.

True so many blunders when they are at peak

 

[Mian]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] who is going to be PTI's next candidate?

Tariq Khosa or Adnan Rasool I believe but I am not sure if Tariq Khosa will be ready after how his brother name Nasir Khosa was thrown out

 

[King-Misbah]

There is a twist Mehmud ur Rasheed is forced to take back Khosa name by party

That is great! Finally some sanity prevails. This Mehmud He Rasheed needs be monitored so a stupid decision isn't reaches again. I hope JKT is involved.

 

[Mian]

Although PTI leadership is facing lot of criticism now on media but a small humiliation niw is better than regretting later and it also proves PTI do listen to the concerns of their workers who were bashing leadership after this decision

 

[last_knight]

Although PTI leadership is facing lot of criticism now on media but a small humiliation niw is better than regretting later and it also proves PTI do listen to the concerns of their workers who were bashing leadership after this decision

Had they not done their homework ?
PTI isn't the main stakeholder, we are.

Incompetence is worst from of corruption.
If PTI wants to change candidate now, first sack/punish MuR, otherwise this looks as incompetent as most of jobs done by PMLn, that is "without accountability".

 

[Mian]

Had they not done their homework ?
PTI isn't the main stakeholder, we are.

Incompetence is worst from of corruption.
If PTI wants to change candidate now, first sack/punish MuR, otherwise this looks as incompetent as most of jobs done by PMLn, that is "without accountability".

Completely agree with you the responsible person for this drama should be punished

 

[last_knight]

Completely agree with you the responsible person for this drama should be punished

Absolutely. If MuR gets through it without punishment, It will be a shame and will reduce magnitude of inhibitions to such blunders in future.

 

[shah_1]

I predict PML N to win the election

 

[Mian]

This guy is surely fedup of electables!

 

[Mian]

We need more of these ads

 

[waqar goraya]

PTI again show what a bunch of amateurs they really are with their U turn on caretaker CM. For next couple of days you guys will see N league tantrums that those who backtracked twice in 2 days on KPK and Punjab CMs talk about running this country.

Our good wishes aside, but this under 13 team is trying their best to minimize their chances.

Ali Muhammad Khan and Fawad Chaudhry are among the better spokesmen in the party and are lawyers too but i was amazed at their suggestions to try Nawaz Sharif and Asad Durrani under official secrets act. In hindsight it will give the impression to the world that they indeed broke some state secrets and were indeed speaking truth. On the other hand we believe that their outbursts are either lies or lose talk.

And that Peshawar metro is so hard to defend with PTI's past criticism on Lahore metro and orange line train. Not to mention the timing of its execution. Although PTI is still very strong there but it gives them a point to score that PTI are a bunch of demagogues, who criticize for the sake of criticism.
[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=146984]awan_from_soon[/MENTION]

 

[Mian]

PTI again show what a bunch of amateurs they really are with their U turn on caretaker CM. For next couple of days you guys will see N league tantrums that those who backtracked twice in 2 days on KPK and Punjab CMs talk about running this country.

Our good wishes aside, but this under 13 team is trying their best to minimize their chances.

Ali Muhammad Khan and Fawad Chaudhry are among the better spokesmen in the party and are lawyers too but i was amazed at their suggestions to try Nawaz Sharif and Asad Durrani under official secrets act. In hindsight it will give the impression to the world that they indeed broke some state secrets and were indeed speaking truth. On the other hand we believe that their outbursts are either lies or lose talk.

And that Peshawar metro is so hard to defend with PTI's past criticism on Lahore metro and orange line train. Not to mention the timing of its execution. Although PTI is still very strong there but it gives them a point to score that PTI are a bunch of demagogues, who criticize for the sake of criticism.
[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=146984]awan_from_soon[/MENTION]

Agree with most of what you said timing of BRT really messed up things i think they tried to convert those voters in a hurry who loves roads instead of reforms that PTI govt was doing from 4 years. I am also against IK national level speech in local jalsas. I mean he should raise Lahore issues in Lahore and Karachi issues in Karachi speeches instead of telling Lahoris most of Punjab budget is being spent in Lahore by PMLN.

 

[waqar goraya]

Agree with most of what you said timing of BRT really messed up things i think they tried to convert those voters in a hurry who loves roads instead of reforms that PTI govt was doing from 4 years. I am also against IK national level speech in local jalsas. I mean he should raise Lahore issues in Lahore and Karachi issues in Karachi speeches instead of telling Lahoris most of Punjab budget is being spent in Lahore by PMLN.

With N league's troubles , infighting and corruption scandals, all they have to do is avoid making mistakes but man they are hopeless.

I guess PTI needs to import more sensible individuals like Asad Umar, Shafqat Mahmood, Taimoor Jhagra, who don't necessarily have political clout but are men of wisdom and commonsense.
The sad part is people like Imran Ismael, Naeem-ul-Haq neither have common sense nor a political clout, yet they sit very close to immy in the core group meetings.

 

[waqar goraya]

Had they not done their homework ?
PTI isn't the main stakeholder, we are.

Incompetence is worst from of corruption.
If PTI wants to change candidate now, first sack/punish MuR, otherwise this looks as incompetent as most of jobs done by PMLn, that is "without accountability".

Never liked the guy. His hair style tells all about his credentials.

 

[waqar goraya]

N league propaganda is at full swing on media including social media but it seems like PTI people are way too religious and can't find time in Ramazan.

 

[Mian]

N league propaganda is at full swing on media including social media but it seems like PTI people are way too religious and can't find time in Ramazan.

Propaganda at full swing

PML-N to win elections, predicts Economist

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1722950/1-pml-n-win-elections-insecurity-hit-economy-eiu-report/ (May 30 Today)

PML-N to sweep 2018 elections: The Economist

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1608937/1-pml-n-sweep-2018-elections-report/ (Jan 15 five months ago)

 

[waqar goraya]

Propaganda at full swing

PML-N to win elections, predicts Economist

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1722950/1-pml-n-win-elections-insecurity-hit-economy-eiu-report/ (May 30 Today)

PML-N to sweep 2018 elections: The Economist

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1608937/1-pml-n-sweep-2018-elections-report/ (Jan 15 five months ago)

Chalo clean sweep sa nechay tou ae yeh !

“We expect the PML-N (Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz) to be reelected on the back of a strong showing in Punjab, the most populous province,”

The above quote is very debatable. What they mean by strong showing? Is is according to a public poll or an assessment from the writers?

 

[Syed1]

N league propaganda is at full swing on media including social media but it seems like PTI people are way too religious and can't find time in Ramazan.

That is something I mentioned on this thread as well. There has been complete lull in PTI activities ever since Ramzaan started. It's almost as if the whole of PTI is observing a 30 day aiteqaaf.

 

[awan_from_soon]

That is something I mentioned on this thread as well. There has been complete lull in PTI activities ever since Ramzaan started. It's almost as if the whole of PTI is observing a 30 day aiteqaaf.

IK is on his annual donation-raising rounds. While, I believe the rest of the party is waiting for the decision of the anticorruption court. PTI will rebuild their momentum from then, likely with half the work already done by a possible conviction.

The focus at the moment seems to be on wooing electables and not the electorate.

 

[awan_from_soon]

PMLN with a clear margin in NA-142 (Okara). With most of the PMLN votebank comprising of a personal one for Riazul Haq Juj, who won the byelection as an independent in 2015.

According to Habib Akram, whichever party gets ahold of Juj will win this constituency. And even if Juj contest's independently, he will win.

 

[Mian]

Chalo clean sweep sa nechay tou ae yeh !



The above quote is very debatable. What they mean by strong showing? Is is according to a public poll or an assessment from the writers?

Read below that line they are showing their concern about estab and courts just like pildat and we all know from the instructions are coming. These pildat guys didn't even mentioned how PMLN in last days distributed development funds to secure seats and made no mention all those transfers and appointments at districts levels all their reports looked like pro PMLN and anti estab

 

[Mian]

PMLN with a clear margin in NA-142 (Okara). With most of the PMLN votebank comprising of a personal one for Riazul Haq Juj, who won the byelection as an independent in 2015.

According to Habib Akram, whichever party gets ahold of Juj will win this constituency. And even if Juj contest's independently, he will win.

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Juj is a confirmed MNA no matter which party he joins or even if he goes Ind

 

[Mian]

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[Mian]

Propaganda at full swing

PML-N to win elections, predicts Economist

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1722950/1-pml-n-win-elections-insecurity-hit-economy-eiu-report/ (May 30 Today)

PML-N to sweep 2018 elections: The Economist

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1608937/1-pml-n-sweep-2018-elections-report/ (Jan 15 five months ago)

Chalo clean sweep sa nechay tou ae yeh !



The above quote is very debatable. What they mean by strong showing? Is is according to a public poll or an assessment from the writers?

Found another report almost same from July 2017 yeh bik gae he the economist isne paise paker liay hen

http://video.dunyanews.tv/index.php...ons:-Economics-Intelligence-Unit#.Ww8YpkiFPIV

 

[waqar goraya]

PMLN with a clear margin in NA-142 (Okara). With most of the PMLN votebank comprising of a personal one for Riazul Haq Juj, who won the byelection as an independent in 2015.

According to Habib Akram, whichever party gets ahold of Juj will win this constituency. And even if Juj contest's independently, he will win.

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He is an electable in true sense. He has great following in his constituency, probably more what Nawaz or Imran enjoy in their hometowns.

I hear he is a great philanthropist.

But i don't think he is interested in PTI ticket at all.

I remember Ashraf Sohna PTI candidate from here could not get any support during by elections.

On another news, Khurshid Kasuri won't contest elections because his old constituency is lost because of reduction in Kasur seats.

 

[waqar goraya]

N league does not want to change and consult the CM nomination.

 

[Strike!]

If N league does not want to change the nomination, the matter can be referred to the election commission.

 

[Waseem]

With N league's troubles , infighting and corruption scandals, all they have to do is avoid making mistakes but man they are hopeless.

I guess PTI needs to import more sensible individuals like Asad Umar, Shafqat Mahmood, Taimoor Jhagra, who don't necessarily have political clout but are men of wisdom and commonsense.
The sad part is people like Imran Ismael, Naeem-ul-Haq neither have common sense nor a political clout, yet they sit very close to immy in the core group meetings.

I agree! This is PTI's blunder and they totally deserve the criticism. Of course there is propaganda as well but what do you expect them to do when you bowl a full toss outside leg stump?
MuR always comes across dodgy, lazy and incompetent so not a huge surprise but he can't be blamed alone as surely this was one of key decisions and must have been discussed by party.

 

[Syed1]

Juj is a confirmed MNA no matter which party he joins or even if he goes Ind

JKT better be working day and night to get this Juj guy.... I've never seen an independent have this much vote bank

 

[awan_from_soon]

JKT better be working day and night to get this Juj guy.... I've never seen an independent have this much vote bank

Don't think he is interested though. From what I understood by watching the survey, either he sticking with PMLN or running as an independent. Only a single PTI guy came forward and claimed that Juj is joining the party.

Also, Habib Akram points out that Juj owns some factories in the area and is a big employer. He also spent crores of rupees on the 2015 byelection - bought votes. So, given this, I think he won't prefer a party that will take the MNA funds away from him. He can't be making a loss on his high stakes election campaigns.

 

[Mian]

Waqti bezti baad ke pachtaave se behter he

 

[Mian]

Today PTI going to announce tickets for Islamabad seats. Here is what's expected:

NA 52 : Raja Khurram
NA 53 : Ali Awan / Babar Awan / Amir Kiyani.
NA 54 : Asad Umar

Ali Awan is current opposition leader of PTI in Local Government of ISB. Amir Kiyani is the president of PTI in North Punjab.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Waqti bezti baad ke pachtaave se behter he

Whats your day job bro ? Seems like you are in front of media 24/7

 

[Mian]

Whats your day job bro ? Seems like you are in front of media 24/7

The benefits of following some good Twitter accounts you get all this content easily without the need to find them

 

[hussain.r97]

Today PTI going to announce tickets for Islamabad seats. Here is what's expected:

NA 52 : Raja Khurram
NA 53 : Ali Awan / Babar Awan / Amir Kiyani.
NA 54 : Asad Umar

Ali Awan is current opposition leader of PTI in Local Government of ISB. Amir Kiyani is the president of PTI in North Punjab.

According to my source, unless something has changed, Asad Umar will run on NA 53.

 

[Strike!]

So another survey of NA 143 Dilapur with N league at 63% and PTI at 31%.

 

[awan_from_soon]

According to my source, unless something has changed, Asad Umar will run on NA 53.

NA-54 is almost entirely urban. While NA-53 has a significant rural belt comprising of Bara Kahu, Chattar, and Phulgaran regions that was previously in NA-49.

Makes more sense for Asad Umar to run from a more urban constituency.

 

[awan_from_soon]

NA-143 (Depalpur city + Hujra Shah Muqeem of Okara distt). PMLN with a very clear lead. PTI improved from 8% in 2013 to 31%.

Okara has a significant anti-army sentiment because of the military farms case. This would definitely play into Nawaz's anti-establishment narrative.

So, PTI doesn't have good chances on any of the district's four seats.

 

[Waseem]

NA-143 (Depalpur city + Hujra Shah Muqeem of Okara distt). PMLN with a very clear lead. PTI improved from 8% in 2013 to 31%.

Okara has a significant anti-army sentiment because of the military farms case. This would definitely play into Nawaz's anti-establishment narrative.

So, PTI doesn't have good chances on any of the district's four seats.

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As i always feared, Okara and Kasur are lost cases and PTI can forget about Okara at least (Kasur is improving).

 

[Vegitto1]

Unfortunately I am seeing PMLN form government again.

I do sincerely hope that if that happens, army takes over. Another 45 years under these pigs will be the worst thing that can happen to Pakistan.

 

[hussain.r97]

NA-54 is almost entirely urban. While NA-53 has a significant rural belt comprising of Bara Kahu, Chattar, and Phulgaran regions that was previously in NA-49.

Makes more sense for Asad Umar to run from a more urban constituency.

Yes, but according to my source (someone in the Asad Umar campaign team), Asad Umar will run in NA 53 because he's a stronger candidate and its a more difficult seat while NA 54 is a sure win for any half decent candidate.

This was the news around a month ago, so it may have changed.

 

[LegendInzi]

Unfortunately I am seeing PMLN form government again.

I do sincerely hope that if that happens, army takes over. Another 45 years under these pigs will be the worst thing that can happen to Pakistan.

Lo gee abhi se rona dhona shuru ho gaya. Bhai itni bhi kya mayoosi???

And learn to accept the mandate of Pakistani populace. They have the right to elect who they want to see in power...Govt will be formed by majority's opinion not on the wishes of some sore loser's tantrum...I would highly recommend all boot-lickers to go and read Nasim Zehra's "From Kargil to Coup"...or get the gist here https://www.dawn.com/news/1410891/facts-and-fiction

 

[the Great Khan]

Unfortunately I am seeing PMLN form government again.

I do sincerely hope that if that happens, army takes over. Another 45 years under these pigs will be the worst thing that can happen to Pakistan.

The army will not take anything over. They will maintain security and ensure we dont end up like Syria but that is it. Its upto the politicians to do the rest.

I cant see anything other than a coalition govt lead by showbaaz..

 

[the Great Khan]

Lo gee abhi se rona dhona shuru ho gaya. Bhai itni bhi kya mayoosi???

And learn to accept the mandate of Pakistani populace. They have the right to elect who they want to see in power...Govt will be formed by majority's opinion not on the wishes of some sore loser's tantrum...I would highly recommend all boot-lickers to go and read Nasim Zehra's "From Kargil to Coup"...or get the gist here https://www.dawn.com/news/1410891/facts-and-fiction

I would highly recommend you watch your mouth..I suggest you go and serve a day on the frontier then I'll see how brave you'll be. perhaps you would rather the punjab police man the frontier and fight in the shadows..

Your lucky your lord and saviour ganja isnt hanging from a pole on Jinnah avenue!!

 

[King-Misbah]

Unfortunately I am seeing PMLN form government again.

I do sincerely hope that if that happens, army takes over. Another 45 years under these pigs will be the worst thing that can happen to Pakistan.

Hold your horses my friend and stay positive. Ofcourse; PTI did do a blunder recently with the nomination but I see a coalition govt headed by PTI. In the next few days; a lot will change when the PMLN govt is over.

 

[LegendInzi]

I would highly recommend you watch your mouth..I suggest you go and serve a day on the frontier then I'll see how brave you'll be. perhaps you would rather the punjab police man the frontier and fight in the shadows..

Your lucky your lord and saviour ganja isnt hanging from a pole on Jinnah avenue!!

The only ones who should be dangling are military dictators like Musharraf under Article 6 high treason. I would suggest Faisal Avenue for that.

And ***, don't bring up poor soldiers manning the borders and laying down their lives when you run out of argument. They are thrown into it because of hostilities cultivated by our generals and GHQ (again would recommend read of "From Kargil to Coup" to get some idea of how 4 generals threw two nuclear-armed countries into massive conflict and ultimate embarrassment for us) ...Regardless, Pakistani awam and police forces are equally into it, and have given their fair share of sacrifice but of course you wouldn't acknowledge any of that since 'bloody civilians'

 

[Waseem]

Unfortunately I am seeing PMLN form government again.

I do sincerely hope that if that happens, army takes over. Another 45 years under these pigs will be the worst thing that can happen to Pakistan.

No please not again, these Sharifs are Army's gifts to the nation and we don't need such incompetent crooks ever again. Their days are numbered whether it's this election or next one but last thing we need is Army to take over and we go back 10 years.

Whether these crooks and their supporters like or not but Imran Khan has politicised millions of youngsters who won't tolerate this trash forever. We do feel sick and want them out by hook or crook but they become saints (thanks to ghulaam mentality) and return again and only solution is to kick them out forever.

 

[the Great Khan]

The only ones who should be dangling are military dictators like Musharraf under Article 6 high treason. I would suggest Faisal Avenue for that.

And ***, don't bring up poor soldiers manning the borders and laying down their lives when you run out of argument. They are thrown into it because of hostilities cultivated by our generals and GHQ (again would recommend read of "From Kargil to Coup" to get some idea of how 4 generals threw two nuclear-armed countries into massive conflict and ultimate embarrassment for us) ...Regardless, Pakistani awam and police forces are equally into it, and have given their fair share of sacrifice but of course you wouldn't acknowledge any of that since 'bloody civilians'

everyone makes mistakes and the fauj has made huge ones. But to disrespect anyone who puts on that vardi and then lays down their life is pathetic and indicative of a dishonourable mindset that can only be displayed by Noora supporters. The fact is the army does not manage the countrys economy. That is done by your lovely PM and his mafia. They have taken us to the brink of bankruptcy. Musharref should be arrested and jailed as should any general who decides martial law is the right thing to do. I dont disagree. I was one of Musharrefs biggest critics on this forum and you cna go back in time and find threads where I have been vocal of my opposition to him.

As for the Police lol, yes we saw what they did in model town. But ok at least I know where you stand. Lets disband the army and replace it with the ganja force. I'm sure the Indians will be licking their lips to come and have some wine in Lahore with the sharif family!!

Like it or not the PA is the one institution standing between a Syria like situation and stability in Pakistan. Your beloved sharifs will simply pack up and run over to the west while innocent men in vardi and civilians will die like dogs at the hands of our enemies.

Coming onto the final point of us doing panga's. Oh meray bhai maybe you need to understand the history of this nation and what it has been through from the fifties and into the 2000's. Remember it was the politicians like bhutto who gave us 71. As for Kargil, well the timing was poor but the operation was good. We should never have initiated it but considering the situation at the time we had no real choice. I have spoken about this in a thread here and you can view that.

I would suggest you watch your mouth when speaking about anyone who is willing to die for their country,people, faith and nation. Sharam kuro.

 

[Waseem]

everyone makes mistakes and the fauj has made huge ones. But to disrespect anyone who puts on that vardi and then lays down their life is pathetic and indicative of a dishonourable mindset that can only be displayed by Noora supporters. The fact is the army does not manage the countrys economy. That is done by your lovely PM and his mafia. They have taken us to the brink of bankruptcy. Musharref should be arrested and jailed as should any general who decides martial law is the right thing to do. I dont disagree. I was one of Musharrefs biggest critics on this forum and you cna go back in time and find threads where I have been vocal of my opposition to him.

As for the Police lol, yes we saw what they did in model town. But ok at least I know where you stand. Lets disband the army and replace it with the ganja force. I'm sure the Indians will be licking their lips to come and have some wine in Lahore with the sharif family!!

Like it or not the PA is the one institution standing between a Syria like situation and stability in Pakistan. Your beloved sharifs will simply pack up and run over to the west while innocent men in vardi and civilians will die like dogs at the hands of our enemies.

Coming onto the final point of us doing panga's. Oh meray bhai maybe you need to understand the history of this nation and what it has been through from the fifties and into the 2000's. Remember it was the politicians like bhutto who gave us 71. As for Kargil, well the timing was poor but the operation was good. We should never have initiated it but considering the situation at the time we had no real choice. I have spoken about this in a thread here and you can view that.

I would suggest you watch your mouth when speaking about anyone who is willing to die for their country,people, faith and nation. Sharam kuro.

No point wasting time on such people, anyone who disagrees with his visionary leader Nawaz Sharif becomes anti democratic and anyone who even appreciates something positive by Army becomes Army's agent. They have this EXTREME mindset where difference of opinion is not tolerated and you get fatwa from them.

 

[LegendInzi]

everyone makes mistakes and the fauj has made huge ones.

okay good

But to disrespect anyone who puts on that vardi and then lays down their life is pathetic and indicative of a dishonourable mindset

That's a vile accusation you are making. I have always held the jawans on border with extreme respect and refer to them as shaheed if they die during service. Quote any post where I have done otherwise.

The fact is the army does not manage the countrys economy.

political stability is a harbinger of economic prosperity. If army would stop manipulations, maybe we might get some economic growth. Just one example: dharna orchestrations that distract the govt and potentially discourage investors

Musharref should be arrested and jailed as should any general who decides martial law is the right thing to do. I dont disagree. I was one of Musharrefs biggest critics on this forum and you cna go back in time and find threads where I have been vocal of my opposition to him.

good to know

As for the Police lol, yes we saw what they did in model town.

Not defending Model Town, but since you conveniently brushed aside the sacrifices of all police forces due to that regrettable incident. By the way, what are your comments regarding the thuggish behavior of army inside our country? maybe you need to google up on Okara Farmers, or Motorway Police-SSG altercations or human rights activists kidnappings or dozen other high-handedness incidents I can keep on quoting. In the model town case, law should take its course and everyone responsible should be punished.

Like it or not the PA is the one institution standing between a Syria like situation and stability in Pakistan.

Let me put it back at you: PA is the one institution standing between a India like situation and stability in Pakistan. They have made us a National Security state...the difference b/w Pakistan and India is like N. Korea and S. Korea.

Coming onto the final point of us doing panga's. Oh meray bhai maybe you need to understand the history of this nation and what it has been through from the fifties and into the 2000's. Remember it was the politicians like bhutto who gave us 71.

I don't know why I'm wasting my time replying to someone so brainwashed on history. You forgot to cite the Zaid Hamid tweet you got that bit of information from.

As for Kargil, well the timing was poor but the operation was good. We should never have initiated it but considering the situation at the time we had no real choice. I have spoken about this in a thread here and you can view that.

Don't try to qualify anything about Kargil. Just out of curiosity, what was 'the situation'?

I would suggest you watch your mouth when speaking about anyone who is willing to die for their country,people, faith and nation. Sharam kuro.

I would suggest you to stop distorting the discussion and basing your argument on coffins of shuhada...that's a shameful and pathetic thing to do.

 

[Syed1]

I always wondered why people like [MENTION=101697]LegendInzi[/MENTION] are hell bent on sending Musharraf to the gallows but never say a word against our worst dictator in history, Zia-ul-Haq. Then I realized that the person the consider as their leader and saviour, Nawaz Sharif, grew up on Zia's lap and hence cannot say anything to Zia.



The people who used the establishment's help to get to power are now crying about giving respect to the voice of the people. What a joke.

 

[Mian]

Sardar Ghulam Abbas on his way to bani gala to join PTI he will probably get ticket on 1 seat of Chakwal while PTI will give second seat to PMLQ candidate Pervez elahi

 

[Waseem]

I always wondered why people like [MENTION=101697]LegendInzi[/MENTION] are hell bent on sending Musharraf to the gallows but never say a word against our worst dictator in history, Zia-ul-Haq. Then I realized that the person the consider as their leader and saviour, Nawaz Sharif, grew up on Zia's lap and hence cannot say anything to Zia.



The people who used the establishment's help to get to power are now crying about giving respect to the voice of the people. What a joke.

This is the biggest irony, the man who has been the biggest beneficiary of dictatorship in Pakistan's history and even promised to take Zia's mission forward is wholeheartedly supported by them and yet they act like champions of democracy, if you aren't FAKE then Nawaz Sharif should be the last person you should support.

Now they will tell you they don't support Nawaz Sharif but we have seen how they supported the man throughout Panama case knowing extremely well the man is certified corrupt who even accepted money form ISI and Osama Bin Laden in addition to all the looting.

 

[Waseem]

Sardar Ghulam Abbas on his way to bani gala to join PTI he will probably get ticket on 1 seat of Chakwal while PTI will give second seat to PMLQ candidate Pervez elahi

That is quite a big news and works great because PMLN will lose both seats in Chakwal with this strategy