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Which will be the top party after the upcoming general elections?

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Asim_khan said:
If you continue to vote for someone who's directly led to your water supply having every waternborne disease under the sun, then calling it Ghulami is probably the nicest thing someone could do. They're under delusions and acting in stupor, probably from that water
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Read my previous post bro!Plus this isn't exactly the problem of interior Sindh only,is it?
 
Mian said:
lol ok ok saw some disappointing news earlier from Sialkot thanks to PTI grouping Usman Dar is trying his best to make Firdos apa lose Dar brothers are openly supporting Ind candidate and we all know Firdos was already weak and now this :facepalm: no statement from dars so far

This pic is also going viral where Raja Riaz looks liek supporting Shaer candidate under him. Although he posted a video statement and clarified he is campaigning for oper neeche balla and these posters are not by him.

Last but not least saw a few surveys from NA59 and it looks like Ch Nisar is headed toward an upset! Ghulam Sarwar can surprise us all by winning both seats.
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:facepalm: Yaar what on earth is wrong with these people? Was so disappointed to find that even Zartaj Gul is supporting an Independent who didn't get PTI ticket.
 
Fineline said:
Until and unless,tabdeeli is sincerely brought in Sindh,I don't see anyone else winning in Sindh.Its not just about voting for a dead man,no educated Sindhi considers that a criteria for voting.There are a lot of factors which influence Sindhis to vote for PP over and over again.Firstly,there are no suitable alternatives who could put up a better show than PP. PTI has neglected Sindh and paid most of their heed towards Punjab and KPK.Their groundwork in Sindh is non existent.The other options that we have been blessed with MA are the Sindhi Nationalist parties who have even bigger crooks i.e Ayaz Lateef Palejo being one of them.Plenty of educated people residing in cities are in some way indirectly affiliated with the wealthy thugs of PP and revel in the comforts giving no two hoots about others.Then you have these nefarious waderas who blackmail the gullible and frightened rural population rendering them helpless.Most of the people I have encountered abuse PP like no tomorrow but then also complain about the absence of substitutes.I personally would love to witness PTI for a change but they aren't that interested else they would have pushed harder to get more seats.
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I do agree to some extent bro, there are not many alternatives for people but lack of education is also a big factor. No doubt PTI couldn't pay as much attention to interior Sindh as KPK or Punjab but i think they knew conquering Sindh won't be as straightforward as other areas so target is long term as Punjab was centre of attention for very obvious reason that almost 50% seats are on offer and there are plenty of pockets (North Punjab, South Punjab) where they managed to get quick success. This was not the case in Sindh (except for Karachi to some extent).
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
No, the people of Karachi would suffer because PTI is putting the candidates like Amir Liaqat Hussain, who have managed to turn away the voters who once supported PTI (including me!).
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I hated the idea of including Amir Liaqat in PTI but people really have to look at bigger picture. When you think about our leadership options, their competency levels and priorities and MASSIVE challenges we face such as poverty, corruption, economy etc then Amir Liaqat types become EXTREMELY small non entities.

I was having this argument with Labbaik supporter who is voting them to save "Hurmat e Rasool". I asked him if is concerned about any issues Pakistan is facing like corruption, power, water, economic etc and his answer was "Hurmat e Rasool" k aagay kuch important nahi. I asked him why is Prophet's honur under threat in even country like Pakistan where 98% people are Muslims, he said sab agents hain yahan. His concern was just his ideology and something that did not matter in wider scheme of things.

My point is there are no easy solutions and you won't find a perfect leader who will introduce 1000 perfect candidates and bring change that we need.
 
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Waseem said:
I do agree to some extent bro, there are not many alternatives for people but lack of education is also a big factor. No doubt PTI couldn't pay as much attention to interior Sindh as KPK or Punjab but i think they knew conquering Sindh won't be as straightforward as other areas so target is long term as Punjab was centre of attention for very obvious reason that almost 50% seats are on offer and there are plenty of pockets (North Punjab, South Punjab) where they managed to get quick success. This was not the case in Sindh (except for Karachi to some extent).
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I concur brother!Lack of education is in fact one of the major factors.PP has deliberately not bothered to set up schools and colleges with the aim to keep a good part of the Interior Sindh Population ignorant.This ensures that people donot consider their pathetic performance as a criteria for voting and they can loot and plunder with ease.You will be surprised to know that most of the medical and engineering government colleges/universities were established in interior Sindh under Bhutto rule.Since then,it has all been eating and making cash.Yup!PTI had to first awaken the people of Punjab and certainly,they have done a good job.Sindh obviously couldn't have been their first priority.We will have to bear PP for another 5 years in Sindh unfortunately.But I am hopeful that once PTI comes into power and go after Zardari and other PP crooks,things will drastically change and PP's badmashi will end for good paving way for PTI in Sindh.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Outgoing PM Abbasi unlikely to suffer the fate of Raja Pervaiz Ashraf in 2013. <a href="https://t.co/0p0AKSL1I7">pic.twitter.com/0p0AKSL1I7</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1016649875948212226?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Waseem said:
I hated the idea of including Amir Liaqat in PTI but people really have to look at bigger picture. When you think about our leadership options, their competency levels and priorities and MASSIVE challenges we face such as poverty, corruption, economy etc then Amir Liaqat types become EXTREMELY small non entities.

I was having this argument with Labbaik supporter who is voting them to save "Hurmat e Rasool". I asked him if is concerned about any issues Pakistan is facing like corruption, power, water, economic etc and his answer was "Hurmat e Rasool" k aagay kuch important nahi. I asked him why is Prophet's honur under threat in even country like Pakistan where 98% people are Muslims, he said sab agents hain yahan. His concern was just his ideology and something that did not matter in wider scheme of things.

My point is there are no easy solutions and you won't find a perfect leader who will introduce 1000 perfect candidates and bring change that we need.
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I understand that you cannot possibly find a perfect candidate in any election but when you compromise on your core values by milking the issue of Namoos-e-Risaalat, then there is no difference between you and Captain Safdars, Khadim Rizvis, Baal Thakrays, and RSS Bhakts of the world. As you have correctly pointed out, there is no easy solution in bringing change therefore it becomes doubly important to choose right candidates in elections. See it this way; if you want to construct a very complicated building, then you require the best builders for finishing the job. You can’t afford to hire incompetent builders. Same goes for nation building. YOU CANNOT MAKE SUCH POLITICAL COMPROMISES.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Federal Minister and Governor of Gilgit-Baltistan Qamar Zaman Kaira in a virtual tie with PTI candidate Faiz Ul Hassan, with PML(N) incumbent polling third. <a href="https://t.co/pNVOAIaqje">pic.twitter.com/pNVOAIaqje</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1016660000159256576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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awan_from_soon said:
You should also mention that this survey is primarily focused on the NAB verdict. Glad to see people waking up here. There were many individuals here who said they won't vote for PMLN after its main leadership has been certified corrupt.
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Yea there was some hope but there were a few who mentioned mian corrupt he but vote prh be usko denge.
 
One person who I really want to win their seat is Dr. Yasmin Rashid. A true constituency worker and someone who rose from poverty to break barriers and boundaries.
 
Oh God listening to some street surveys in areas like Lahore is so cringe worthy..... :danish :danish
 
meeting of Khaqan Abbasi with ASWJ leadership to get their support on NA53

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Mian said:
Yea there was some hope but there were a few who mentioned mian corrupt he but vote prh be usko denge.
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Vote sher nu..kyon sir?
bus jee unu hi denay hay
magar kyon una ki kita hay?
bus jee sub kuch kita hay
Magar ithay sewarage kharab ay tay gulli kharaab ay.
Haan jee u tay hay pur phair ve sher nu denaa hay..

Some people will never learn!
 
Syed1 said:
One person who I really want to win their seat is Dr. Yasmin Rashid. A true constituency worker and someone who rose from poverty to break barriers and boundaries.
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Alhamdulillah, she's incredible, Insha'allah not only wins her constituency but also is made chief minister of Punjab.
 
Syed1 said:
One person who I really want to win their seat is Dr. Yasmin Rashid. A true constituency worker and someone who rose from poverty to break barriers and boundaries.
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Which poverty are you referring to?
 
DrSchultz said:
Which poverty are you referring to?
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The poverty of being born in a goan, then moving away to a city and completing everything. I know it must be tough for a Patwari to imagine someone coming onto the scene by merit and not corruption but there it is.
 
Khan really need to be careful now i am worried about his security things are not looking good.
 
DrSchultz said:
Which poverty are you referring to?
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The poverty of being born in an unprivileged house and then working your way up. Not everyone needs the help of corruption to rise to the top. As you so eloquently said "corruption isn't a big issue".... perhaps that is what you used and expect everyone else to do the same
 
Mian said:
Khan really need to be careful now i am worried about his security things are not looking good.
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And i feel for Bilour Family but after all why they do not quit this thing when they are being killed .i mean its of no use.
 
LAHORE: The contesting candidates for the National Assembly’s constituency NA-136 have largely focused the electoral areas of Raiwind, Sundar, and Manga Mandi to convince the voters for the upcoming general elections.

As the most part of the constituency consisted of peri-urban areas where this has been witnessed in past that people had been voting on the basis of personal likeness or the system of clans.

For the general elections 2018, this constituency has at least 298747 registered voters among them 174,214 are male while the 124,533 are female voters.
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After the new delimitations were drawn by Election Commission of Pakistan, most of the electoral areas of NA-136 are same as these were in NA-128 during in general elections 2013. Such electoral areas have been known as the stronghold of Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PML-N) in the past where PML-N’s Malik Afzal Khokhar defeated Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI’s) Karamat Khokhar. PTI again has fielded Karamat Khokhar but now he is contesting against Afzal Khokhar’s brother Saiful Malook Khokhar in NA-135.

After the new delimitations the constituency’s new formation consisted of areas including Railway Colony Raiwind, Railway Station Quarter, Kot Babu Khan Raiwind T.C, Manga Road, Manga Mandi, Basti Ameen Pura, Punjgrain Chung, Iqbal Avenue, Azmeer Town, Mohlanwal, Maraka, Shamkay Bhattian, Sundar, Manga Autar, Raye Arayian, Bhobtian, Babalyana Otar, Jhodho Dhayr and others.

At least, 13 candidates are contesting on this constituency where eight will contest as independent candidates. Malik Afzal Khokhar has been fielded by PML-N where he is expected to have a tough competition with PTI’s Malik Asad Ali Khokhar. Among other candidates, Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarian’s Jamil Ahmad, Pakistan People’s Party-Shaheed Bhutto’s Chaudhary Ahmad Hussain, Tehreek Labaik Pakistan’s Muhammad Ahmad Majeed are also in competition while Khalid Mehmood, Zubair Ahmad, Sardar Adil Umar, Sardar Kamil Umar, Shabeer Ahmad, Irfan Shafi Khokhar, Muhammad Khan Bhatti and Muhammad Younis are in field as independent candidates.

However, the major contest is expected to be witnessed between PTI and PMLN candidates, Malik Asad Ali Khokhar and Malik Afzal Khokhar respectively. There are two provincial assembly’s constituencies; PP-171 and PP-172 fall under NA-136. On PP-171 seat PTI has fielded Rana Javaid Umar while Col (r) Rana Muhammad Tariq is the candidate of PML-N. Likewise, on PP-172 seat, PTI’s Khalid Mahmood Gujjar will contest against PMN-N’s Mirza Javaid.

MEO VOTERS BACK PTI:

Since the electioneering season was started, all the parties were in the race to attract the voters. As most of the constituency has areas considered as peri-urban. That is why candidates can be witnessed to attract the biradaris (clans) and groups having vote banks.

As the electoral areas like Raiwind, Sundar, Chung and Manga Mandi have a large number of voters where influential clans have been playing their role in the win of any candidate. This was why all candidates have put their efforts to gain support from the said areas.

The constituency has a large vote bank of biradaris like Meo, Khokhar, Gujjar, Arayen while Rajputs and Jutts are also in great number. But, the vote of Meo biradari seems to be able to change the fate of any candidate.

Ch Abdul Ghafoor Meo, who is a local leader of the Meo biradari, had parted ways with the PML-N. He has come forward in favour of PTI and is very hopeful to attract his biradaris vote for PTI’s candidates.

On other side, Manga Mandi area remained a stronghold of PML-N in past where Khokhars have their personal vote bank. Afzal Khokhar of PMLN is still hopeful that in said area PMLN has committed voters who can never be deviated.

Khokhar may have a setback as a score of union council’s chairpersons have announced their support for PTI’s Asad Khokhar. Belong to an influential family of the area, Asad Khokhar is himself new in the national politics but has support in the area.

Initially, a conflict was reported between Khalid Gujjar and Asad Khokhar over the rewarding of tickets but later Khalid Gujjar agreed to contest on the provincial assembly’s seat PP-172 under Asad Khokhar.

According to Chaudhry Ghafoor Meo, the constituency has over 55,000 voters belonging to Meo clan and their ratio of casting vote remained 80 per cent during the last elections. He believes that all Meo voters will put their vote behind PTI’s candidate. Talking to Pakistan Today, he said the Meo biradari has remained loyal to the cause of Pakistan and now they had realised that the Sharifs’ policies were against the national interest.

EX-PML-N MPA GULZAR CHANGES LOYALTIES:

The local politicians and political groups believe that after PML-N’s former MPA Chaudhary Gulzar announced his support for PTI, it will have a good effect for Malik Asad.

On other hands, PTI has succeeded in gaining the support of Bhatti biradari of Shamkay Bhattian who are deeply rooted in the political scene of the constituency.

Looking at the condition of the constituency, it has the same issues that remained unresolved during the last five years. These problems include the lack of a proper sewerage system, unavailability of clean drinking water, poor health and educational system and etc.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PTI holds on to a slight lead over PML(N), down to 3 points from 5 points in our June 28 - 1 July opinion poll. Methodology listed at the bottom of the graphic. <a href="https://t.co/Ru16a7rg76">pic.twitter.com/Ru16a7rg76</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1016862163942760451?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2018</a></blockquote>
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New poll out. PTI still leading, but by 3 points. Sample size for this survey is bigger than the last one, so less error.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A current look at our national voting intention poll tracker. PML(N) down from its peak of 33% in our March survey, PTI way up from its lowest position of 19% in January, and PPP down from its peak position of 22% in April. <a href="https://t.co/oSSlK3CAgD">pic.twitter.com/oSSlK3CAgD</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1016867817654837250?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2018</a></blockquote>
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These Roshan Pakistan surveys are very well rounded and holistic
 
hussain.r97 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PTI holds on to a slight lead over PML(N), down to 3 points from 5 points in our June 28 - 1 July opinion poll. Methodology listed at the bottom of the graphic. <a href="https://t.co/Ru16a7rg76">pic.twitter.com/Ru16a7rg76</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1016862163942760451?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2018</a></blockquote>
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New poll out. PTI still leading, but by 3 points. Sample size for this survey is bigger than the last one, so less error.
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Wow the figure for "Independents" is shockingly high considering there are 3 major parties (as opposed to usual 2 party system).

PTI lead increasing and hopefully by the election they can further increase it.
 
Waseem said:
Wow the figure for "Independents" is shockingly high considering there are 3 major parties (as opposed to usual 2 party system).

PTI lead increasing and hopefully by the election they can further increase it.
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I think Independents + others looks very similar to last year, which is problematic as most of those votes are wasted votes!

Looking at the last 3 surveys, it seems like PML-N have hit their absolute low, and 25% is their base support. As of now, PTI are probably going to continue fluctuating up and down the 30% mark, and the only thing that can help PTI go beyond that is if non-voters/unlikely voters turn up and vote for PTI, or if a very large majority of undecided voters vote for PTI. The recent Gallup survey showed that about 20% of voters were still undecided a month ago.
 
hussain.r97 said:
I think Independents + others looks very similar to last year, which is problematic as most of those votes are wasted votes!

Looking at the last 3 surveys, it seems like PML-N have hit their absolute low, and 25% is their base support. As of now, PTI are probably going to continue fluctuating up and down the 30% mark, and the only thing that can help PTI go beyond that is if non-voters/unlikely voters turn up and vote for PTI, or if a very large majority of undecided voters vote for PTI. The recent Gallup survey showed that about 20% of voters were still undecided a month ago.
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All the stars are aligning for pti. It's now or never. Inshallah pti gets a chance.
 
Mian said:
Khan really need to be careful now i am worried about his security things are not looking good.
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Same here. Last night's attack on Haroon Bilour was tragic. He, was one of the saner voices in the Bilour family. May he rest in peace.

Given the stake of some international participants in these elections, particularly India, IK is in quite a lot of danger of being attacked via a proxy. He should round up his campaign in KP now and focus on Punjab and Sindh.
 
Way too many independent candidates in this election. Many of them will be wasted votes.

I see independents having a SIGNIFICANT impact. Most of them will break PMLN votes but this may also go against PTI as independents will take away an important amount of the vote bank from PTI.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Punjab, PML(N) still rules the roost with a 5-point lead. However, it's continued to be a vulnerable lead unlike the double digit lead it held until earlier this year. <a href="https://t.co/19A1FuN94c">pic.twitter.com/19A1FuN94c</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1017003976749961216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2018</a></blockquote>
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New IPOR survey shows PPP at 13%, PTI at 29%, and PML-N at 32% - http://ipor.com.pk/wp-content/uploa...f-Current-Political-Situation-in-Pakistan.pdf

A lot of dodgy looking things in the survey document, for example PPP is apparantly winning by a landslide in Balochistan, MQM-P are nowhere to be found and PTI are the second biggest party in Sindh by a long way, followed by PML-N. Also, PTI 20 points behind PML-N in Punjab, and PPP only polling at 13% overall. In KPK, MMA for some reason apepars twice, once at 6%, and once at 2%, and are somehow polling below both PML-N and ANP.

Their Punjab survey from last month was riddled with problems, and this survey looks very problematic too. At this stage, Roshan's surveys seem about right, but I am wating for Gallup's next survey to release, they are the most credible of the lot.
 
awan_from_soon said:
Same here. Last night's attack on Haroon Bilour was tragic. He, was one of the saner voices in the Bilour family. May he rest in peace.

Given the stake of some international participants in these elections, particularly India, IK is in quite a lot of danger of being attacked via a proxy. He should round up his campaign in KP now and focus on Punjab and Sindh.
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Security is a genuine concern. Public gatherings in tribal areas and KP areas which border these agencies should be particularly avoided by all parties.

IK should also hold rallies in Punjab where it is necessary.

This is not 1970. People sitting in Karachi can watch IK speak in Khyber. The impact of jalsas is over rated. TuQ, TLYRA, all have had bigger gatherings than PTI but their vote bank is nowhere close to PTI because mere numbers in jalsas don't bring you votes.
 
waqar goraya said:
Security is a genuine concern. Public gatherings in tribal areas and KP areas which border these agencies should be particularly avoided by all parties.

IK should also hold rallies in Punjab where it is necessary.

This is not 1970. People sitting in Karachi can watch IK speak in Khyber. The impact of jalsas is over rated. TuQ, TLYRA, all have had bigger gatherings than PTI but their vote bank is nowhere close to PTI because mere numbers in jalsas don't bring you votes.
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Jalsas are an important component of wave-building in an electoral environment like Pakistan's where there is considerable socio-economic disparity among the masses. While the educated and privileged lot can make up their minds via social media and the 9 'o' clock bulletin. The other section responds best to a national level leader showing interest in their area.
 
The ad wars are heating up. PMLN seems to have copied 'ab dhoka nhin khaunga' formula and using Pakhtun actors. They are also running a hard-hitting ad where children are seen watching snippets of IK's most infamous verbal salvos, ending "kia aap apne bachon ka mustaqbil aise hathon mein dena chahen ge". After the initial round went to PTI, this round is comfortably in PMLN's corner. Lets see how PTI responds.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting estimates by <a href="https://twitter.com/CreditSuisse?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CreditSuisse</a>. Very close to our estimate for both PML(N) and PTI but varies from our estimate for PPP. <a href="https://t.co/bQO8rq5Z8s">pic.twitter.com/bQO8rq5Z8s</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1017056316181884934?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I wouldn't put past Noon and PPP to sit together and try and form government despite PTI being the largest party. They know if IK becomes PM it is game over for them so they will try till there is nothing left to try to prevent it from happening.
 
Guys I recommend we ignore IPOR and Gallup surveys because they are showing a trend of consistently spewing out garbage surveys in favour of Noon league.


Roshan Pakistan seems to be very credible at the moment. However, all of these surveys are guesstimates at best.
 
Syed1 said:
I wouldn't put past Noon and PPP to sit together and try and form government despite PTI being the largest party. They know if IK becomes PM it is game over for them so they will try till there is nothing left to try to prevent it from happening.
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I hope pti can secure 100 seats minimum
 
Roshan Pakistan was earlier predicting 93 seats for PTI in their June 28 - July 1 survey, but in their July 7-10 survey they are predicting 89 seats for PTI. Maybe on the ground the SC decision might bring some sympathy votes for chor khandaan.
 
Syed1 said:
I wouldn't put past Noon and PPP to sit together and try and form government despite PTI being the largest party. They know if IK becomes PM it is game over for them so they will try till there is nothing left to try to prevent it from happening.
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This is a very important post in the context of the elections.

This scenario cannot be ruled out and several pundits have mentioned this too.

It would be a dastardly act which is expected from PMLN and PPP.
 
awan_from_soon said:
The ad wars are heating up. PMLN seems to have copied 'ab dhoka nhin khaunga' formula and using Pakhtun actors. They are also running a hard-hitting ad where children are seen watching snippets of IK's most infamous verbal salvos, ending "kia aap apne bachon ka mustaqbil aise hathon mein dena chahen ge". After the initial round went to PTI, this round is comfortably in PMLN's corner. Lets see how PTI responds.
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PTI already responded back by using same kids video and edited the audio with nawaz sharif and maryam sounds like yeh angrezon ke kutte nehlaane waale and other crap. nice reply imo!
 
IK: Noon rigged 2013 elections. 35 punctures in Punjab alone.

Commercial liberals & co: Prove it in court. Name calling won't do.

Nawaz: General Faiz is engaged in rigging.

Commercial liberals & co: Nawaz has spoken the eternal truth.

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PakWarrior said:
This is a very important post in the context of the elections.

This scenario cannot be ruled out and several pundits have mentioned this too.

It would be a dastardly act which is expected from PMLN and PPP.
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But it would be the death of both, IK should dare them to do it.
 
awan_from_soon said:
Jalsas are an important component of wave-building in an electoral environment like Pakistan's where there is considerable socio-economic disparity among the masses. While the educated and privileged lot can make up their minds via social media and the 9 'o' clock bulletin. The other section responds best to a national level leader showing interest in their area.
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Today's jalsa in Vehari or Khanewal was quite mediocre imo. There is no point in holding a jalsi.

TV is not a privilege either. A jalsa should only be held if there is certainty of a very large turnout.

Jalsa is only a tiny part of wave building.
 
Sharif is indeed coming? Hopefully there will be a heavy rain on Friday in Lahore. And patwaris will bring out boats to receive their quaid.
 
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Mian said:
IK: Noon rigged 2013 elections. 35 punctures in Punjab alone.

Commercial liberals & co: Prove it in court. Name calling won't do.

Nawaz: General Faiz is engaged in rigging.

Commercial liberals & co: Nawaz has spoken the eternal truth.

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Who is he btw?
 
I want to see this election thing getting over quickly. The game is getting very nervous and tight. It feels like last 10 minutes of extra time of World Cup semi final with the score tied at 1-1, while the opposition has taken the ball right into our penalty area. :))
 
Just wanted to acknowledge great work been done in this thread by lot of well informed posters. Can we also speed up the prediction of wining candidates particularly for the Punjab NA seats
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PML(N) President <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMShehbaz</a> polls best among the three prominent members of the Sharif family, but still has a net approval rating of -7. <a href="https://t.co/HPJF0nQW5n">pic.twitter.com/HPJF0nQW5n</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1017344596219715585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former President and husband of late former PM Benazir Bhutto is the most unpopular of leaders of the three main political parties. With a net approval rating of -44, he polls much worse than Bilawal and certainly drags the party with his presence on the political scene. <a href="https://t.co/3nSVElvF3w">pic.twitter.com/3nSVElvF3w</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1017348809066762240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apart from Imran Khan, PPP chairman is the only party leader to have a net positive rating of +2, with almost a quarter of the electorate undecided on him. However, the fact that the average voter sees the PPP chairman as a mere ceremonial head weakens the party's support. <a href="https://t.co/CO6ubantwM">pic.twitter.com/CO6ubantwM</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1017352528994951168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nawaz Sharif remains popular with a large share of the population but a majority of the electorate has a negative opinion of him. <a href="https://t.co/OD1zUWgB8E">pic.twitter.com/OD1zUWgB8E</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1017361899745406976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In a Presidential system, <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> would've likely had a better chance. He has the highest net approval rating of all party leaders at +9, however, a solid 40% of the electorate has a negative view of him. <a href="https://t.co/vJKBLYoV7j">pic.twitter.com/vJKBLYoV7j</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1017369974955012096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mian said:
PTI already responded back by using same kids video and edited the audio with nawaz sharif and maryam sounds like yeh angrezon ke kutte nehlaane waale and other crap. nice reply imo!
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Awesome. Can you link me to it? I haven't seen it on any channel yet.
 
awan_from_soon said:
Awesome. Can you link me to it? I haven't seen it on any channel yet.
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It's going viral on social media and PTI official accounts tweeted it. I am not sure if is shown by any channels yet because video is created by PMLN so it can create some digital copyright issues?

Check this

<iframe width="640" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ycq4gmg90ko" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
waqar goraya said:
Today's jalsa in Vehari or Khanewal was quite mediocre imo. There is no point in holding a jalsi.

TV is not a privilege either. A jalsa should only be held if there is certainty of a very large turnout.

Jalsa is only a tiny part of wave building.
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I don't think that's the case. If it were so, none of the major political parties would have been conducting them.

Jalsas achieve numerous goals:
1. Give exposure to the local candidates of the party and dispel the notion of any other groups claiming to be backed by the said party.
2. Highlight seat adjustment. For instance, many Pindites from NA-60 don't know that Sheikh Rashid is the one they should be voting for if they are supporting PTI.
3. Give a show of strength.
4. Provide news content that is taken up in hourly news bulletins.
5. Provide drive for social media trends.
 
Mian said:
It's going viral on social media and PTI official accounts tweeted it. I am not sure if is shown by any channels yet because video is created by PMLN so it can create some digital copyright issues?

Check this

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There is a "Made with VideoShow" watermark in the corner. Seems like a PTI supporter made it in a personal capacity. Still good content but needs to be made into an official ad. PTI should particularly highlight the Hamza Shahbaz one.
 
awan_from_soon said:
There is a "Made with VideoShow" watermark in the corner. Seems like a PTI supporter made it in a personal capacity. Still good content but needs to be made into an official ad. PTI should particularly highlight the Hamza Shahbaz one.
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Yea but it was so good that is gone viral. Good idea PTI should make one based on Hamza's lecture to the kid and according to many reports it's Shahbaz family that is specially behind Reham book so PTI should come aggressive against them too
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's here!!!<br>Available in paperback in the UK and select territories, and worldwide in Ebook format'. <a href="https://t.co/YWLsn8YmPk">pic.twitter.com/YWLsn8YmPk</a></p>— Reham Khan (@RehamKhan1) <a href="https://twitter.com/RehamKhan1/status/1017333588952481792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Reham has released her book. Right on the dot.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PML(N)'s <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MaryamNSharif</a> polls lower than Shehbaz Sharif but better than her father. <a href="https://t.co/fky54PnTzc">pic.twitter.com/fky54PnTzc</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@OpinionRoshan) <a href="https://twitter.com/OpinionRoshan/status/1017390530253283328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A mother's pain for her son & granddaughter: dragged in courts & put on media trial by false allegations. Mian sb deserves credit for rebuilding Pakistan, putting it on an upward trajectory. I'm told that each time she spoke she could not hold her tears hence she read her message <a href="https://t.co/9mZM1xJTVj">pic.twitter.com/9mZM1xJTVj</a></p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1017395489426362369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A mother's pain for her son & granddaughter: dragged in courts & put on media trial by false allegations. Mian sb deserves credit for rebuilding Pakistan, putting it on an upward trajectory. I'm told that each time she spoke she could not hold her tears hence she read her message <a href="https://t.co/9mZM1xJTVj">pic.twitter.com/9mZM1xJTVj</a></p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1017395489426362369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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They are just desperate to press any button that takes away from the fact that they are as crooked as the day is long. A pic of an old lady- who wouldnt have sympathy for that? Me for a start, maybe the old lady doesnt know that her son NS accused her husband and his dad of being a money launderer. What kind of shameless person would accuse their own dead dad of being a crook?
 
Guys instead of doing a seat by seat prediction, which is going to take too long, can someone put a graph/sheet of all constituencies and put an educated prediction for each seat. We can then all look at it and give some comments and then we will have one final prediction sheet?

If more than one person can do this and make his own sheet that's fine too and then we can come up with a final sheet.

When doing this especially in Punjab if it is too close to call between pti and pmln in a given seat and if a pmln candidate is looking stronger then just give the seat to the pmln candidate. This way we won't overestimate PTI's chances in a tight seat. It's better to be conservative rather than be too optimistic.

If we can have this all finalized by this Sunday then that would be great.
 
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PEMRA banned PML-N coverage.

Some hateful speeches against Govt sectors, including threats from Showbaz sahab :))

 
Dam funds so far
Total Amount: Rs. 64,963,762
(Sixty-four million nine hundred sixty-three thousand seven hundred sixty-two rupees)
 
Bewal Express said:
From tv?
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From PTV their whole coverage is banned they are convicts not heros :)) as they say what goes around comes around! IK was banned from PTV and during dhernas PTI workers in thousands were being arrested, injured and even killed now PMLN is facing same
 
Hermoine Green said:
Dam funds so far
Total Amount: Rs. 64,963,762
(Sixty-four million nine hundred sixty-three thousand seven hundred sixty-two rupees)
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I guess that doesn't include PA salaries so far and they will be added next month? Because i am expecting 70-80 crore coming from PA
 
Hermoine Green said:
Dam funds so far
Total Amount: Rs. 64,963,762
(Sixty-four million nine hundred sixty-three thousand seven hundred sixty-two rupees)
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Damnnnnn




Yesterday it was 32 million..... Wow doubled in one day.



but [MENTION=136001]DrSchultz[/MENTION] was saying it will collect only $25k :sree



Lets spare a moment for all the crying patwaris, their pir murshid couldn't do in three terms what CJ managed with one order.
 
Syed1 said:
Damnnnnn




Yesterday it was 32 million..... Wow doubled in one day.



but [MENTION=136001]DrSchultz[/MENTION] was saying it will collect only $25k :sree



Lets spare a moment for all the crying patwaris, their pir murshid couldn't do in three terms what CJ managed with one order.
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Abhi fojyon ki aik din ki tankha aur officers ki 2 din ki tankha baaqi he jo month ke end per add hongi.
 
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