What's new

Politics - Pakistani 2018 General Election and post-election discussion

Which will be the top party after the upcoming general elections?


  • Total voters
    94
They will not support Shabaz as CM punjab candidate. I think it is too late to put forward a new candidate for PMLN. Yet again, PPP is not trust worthy.
So they just wanted a shot at speaker’s position. Lol N league got played.

But yeah PPP can’t be trusted.

Btw how ridiculous it is that they nominated father and son for the PM and CM positions
 
I was wondering if this is the biggest thread (by number of replies) in PP history?
 
Excited to see who the major appointments will be in the federal and provincial governments. Ministers, Secretaries, DGs, IGs, Chairmen, Ambassadors. This thread will be at 200+ pages by the end of the year.
 
I was wondering if this is the biggest thread (by number of replies) in PP history?

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?99678-What-was-the-last-film-you-watched

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?20023-What-was-the-last-thing-you-ate

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?98139-Shoaib-Malik-Support-amp-Performance-Watch :malik

These 3 threads are still ahead, from those in the Cricket and Time Pass forums.

Besides the main forums, some threads in the leagues forums (like this one) had MANY more posts but those threads aren't active since a long time now.
 
Excited to see who the major appointments will be in the federal and provincial governments. Ministers, Secretaries, DGs, IGs, Chairmen, Ambassadors. This thread will be at 200+ pages by the end of the year.

Its going to be difficult finding people that arent tainted by Noora/PPP criminality. We need honest competent people.
 
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?99678-What-was-the-last-film-you-watched

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?20023-What-was-the-last-thing-you-ate

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?98139-Shoaib-Malik-Support-amp-Performance-Watch :malik

These 3 threads are still ahead, from those in the Cricket and Time Pass forums.

Besides the main forums, some threads in the leagues forums (like this one) had MANY more posts but those threads aren't active since a long time now.

Summary of those 3 threads is that people watch too many movies while eating too much and bashing shoaib mailk on PP left right and center :D btw those threads started 10 and 12 years ago and this thread is just few months old and going to beat shoaib malik and food threads in next few days so only movies thread will be left lol

on a side note shoaib malik thread was legendary there were some hilarious posts i used to read time to time
 
How many votes should imran win tomorrow in order to have majority and call shots? I mean its no use of him being our PM if he cant pass on bills.
 
PTI's Dost Muhammad Mazari Elected as Deputy Speaker of the Provincial Assembly of Punjab. Mazari bagged 187 votes in the election for deputy speaker. He was followed by PML-N nominee Waris Kilo, who secured 159 votes.

640x366xMazari-1.jpg.pagespeed.ic.EqvY_PMFfm.jpg
 
PTI's Dost Muhammad Mazari Elected as Deputy Speaker of the Provincial Assembly of Punjab. Mazari bagged 187 votes in the election for deputy speaker. He was followed by PML-N nominee Waris Kilo, who secured 159 votes.

View attachment 83357

So, the PML N's 12-13 people who voted for Pervez Elahi reverted back to N league for Dost Muhammad Mazari.
 
How many votes should imran win tomorrow in order to have majority and call shots? I mean its no use of him being our PM if he cant pass on bills.

Imran Khan needs 172 votes to win an absolute majority, otherwise he simply just needs a simple majority (i.e. 50% of votes from those present in the house).


172 will be very easy considering Asad Qaiser and Qasim Suri got 176 and 183 votes respectively. 172 is also the number needed to pass legislation, so PTI are in a very good position at the moment. After bye-elections, their position will be even stronger.
 
Imran Khan needs 172 votes to win an absolute majority, otherwise he simply just needs a simple majority (i.e. 50% of votes from those present in the house).


172 will be very easy considering Asad Qaiser and Qasim Suri got 176 and 183 votes respectively. 172 is also the number needed to pass legislation, so PTI are in a very good position at the moment. After bye-elections, their position will be even stronger.

Don't you need two third majority to pass legislation? I thought it was 228
 
Legislative Process

1. Notice by a member (if Speaker allows)
2. Orders of the Day
3. Publication of Bill in Gazette
3a. Bill referred to Standing Committee
4. Secretary permits copies to all
5. Member puts forth motion under Article 124
5a. Any Member may object if bill repugnant to Islam
5b. Bill referred to Council of Islamic Ideology​
6. Principles discussed in sitting (First Reading)
6a. Bill considered
6b. Select Committee
6c. Elicit opinion of all Members
6d. Any Member calls for Amendment​
7. Circulated
8. Second Reading - Bill read Clause-by-Clause, Amendments made
9. Third Reading (Debate) - Only verbal Amendments
10. House votes to pass the bill
11. Authentication and President's assent
11a. Transmitted to Senate
12. Bill becomes a Law - Published in Gazette

Found this, for anyone curious about the exact legislative process.
 
Newly elected MNAs to vote for next PM of Pakistan today

With the general elections out of the way and the resultant national and provincial assemblies having taken shape, today at 3:30 pm is when the parliament elects its new leader of the house — the person more commonly known as the prime minister.

Since the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf emerged as the biggest parliamentary party in the wake of the July 25 polls, its candidate Imran Khan is considered the clear favourite for the post.

Khan has been the PTI's unanimous choice for the PM's job, especially after all 120 of the party's parliamentary committee members rubber-stamped his candidacy for the post.

Although the clear favourite, however, Khan is unlikely to prise away the premiership without a fight.

The PTI had, on its own, bagged 116 NA seats in the polls before recruiting nine additional independents, which took its tally to 125.

The party were subsequently allotted 33 reserved seats by the Election Commission of Pakistan last week, which sent its tally to 158.

However, that tally has since been trimmed as Khan, a winner on five NA seats, kept only his Mianwali seat and vacated the other four. Ghulam Sarwar Khan and Tahir Sadiq also had to leave one of the two NA seats they had bagged each, cutting PTI's lead by six.

PTI spokesperson Fawad Chaudhry had earlier claimed that his party, with the help of its allies, has garnered the support of 180 plus NA members — at least eight more than required for a simple majority and enough to get Khan elected PM in the first poll.

However, PML-Q, a key PTI ally, has also seen its quartet of NA seats reduced by half as their party leader Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi — a candidate for the Speaker of Punjab Assembly — also vacated both his seats in the lower house of the parliament.

The aforesaid seat vacations mean that Chaudhry's claim could be put to the test today.

The PTI's perceived struggle in establishing its dominance is what offers a glimmer of hope to Shahbaz Sharif — the opposition's joint candidate for the PM's gig.

Like Khan, Shahbaz's nomination for premiership was also accepted unanimously by his backers.

The decision was made as part of an agreement between the three main opposition parties — the PML-N, PPPP and the MMA-P — during an All Parties Conference.

However, days before the election, rumours started circulating regarding the PPP's reservations against Shahbaz's nomination.

Unconfirmed reports had the PPP threatening to withdraw its support for the PML-N if they do not replace Shahbaz with another from within their ranks.

The eleventh-hour rift and retraction, if true, can further dent whatever chance the joint opposition had against Khan today.

How the prime minister is elected
The prime minister is elected by Members of the National Assembly (MNAs) in accordance with the Second Schedule of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the National Assembly, 2007.

To be a candidate for prime minister, one has to be an MNA. As the first step, the candidate has to be proposed for the position of prime minister by any fellow MNA. The nomination then has to be seconded by any another lawmaker. The candidate thus has to have a proposer and a seconder.

Since Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, the head of government also has to be of Muslim faith.

The nomination papers have to be filed to the Secretary the day before the session, by 2pm. The nomination is assessed by the Speaker of the National Assembly on the same day, by 3pm.

If they wish, candidates can withdraw their nomination at any time before polling.

As per the rules,
“Before voting commences, the Speaker shall direct that the bells be rung for five minutes to enable members not present in the Chamber to be present. Immediately after the bells stop ringing, all the entrances in the Lobby shall be locked and the Assembly staff posted at each entrance shall not allow any entry or exit through those entrances until the voting has concluded.”

Then,
“The Speaker shall read out to the Assembly the names of the validly nominated candidates who have not withdrawn, hereinafter referred to as the contesting candidates, in the order in which their nomination papers were received and proceed to hold the poll in accordance with the procedure set out in the Second Schedule.”

After that,
“The Speaker shall ask the members who wish to vote in favour of the candidate to pass in single file through the entrance where tellers shall be posted to record the votes. On reaching the desk of the tellers, each member shall, in turn, call out the division number allotted to him [or her] under the rules.

The tellers shall then mark off his [or her] number on the division list, simultaneously calling out the name of the member. ln order to ensure that his [or her] vote has been properly recorded, the member shall not move off until he [or she] has clearly heard the teller call out his [or her] name. After a member has recorded his [or her] vote, he [or she] shall not return to the Chamber until bells are rung.”

At the end,
“When the Speaker finds that all the members who wished to vote have recorded their votes, he shall announce that the voting has concluded. Thereupon the Secretary shall cause the division Iist to be collected, count the recorded votes and present the result of the count to the Speaker. The Speaker shall then direct that the bells be rung for two minutes to enable the members to return to the Chamber. After the bells stop ringing, the Speaker shall announce the result to the Assembly.”

Once the votes are tallied,
“lf there is only one contesting candidate and he [or she] secures the votes of the majority of the total membership of the Assembly, the Speaker shall declare him [or her] to have been elected.”

However,
=“lf there is only one contesting candidate and he [she] fails to secure the votes of the majority of the total membership of the Assembly, all proceedings shall commence afresh.”

And,
“lf there are two or more contesting candidates and if no contesting candidate secures such majority in the first poll, a second poll shall be held between the candidates who secure the two highest numbers of votes in the first poll and the candidate who secures a majority of votes of the members present and voting shall be declared to have been elected as Prime Minister.”

But,
“If the number of votes secured by two or more candidates securing the highest number of votes is equal, further poll shall be held between them until one of them secures a majority of the votes of the members present and voting.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1426772/newly-elected-mnas-to-vote-for-next-pm-of-pakistan-today
 
Alliance unravels as PPP refuses to vote for Shahbaz

ISLAMABAD: The opposition alliance has fallen apart before even taking off after the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) decided to “abstain” from today’s vote in the National Assembly for the office of prime minister due to refusal of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) to replace its candidate, making the contest a one-sided affair.

Besides the PPP, the one-man Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) — which had contested the July 25 elections from the platform of Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal (MMA) with four other religious parties — has also decided to stay away from the election for PM office on Friday (today). This is despite the fact that the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (JUI-F) — the main component of the MMA — is insisting that they should vote for PML-N nominee Shahbaz Sharif in line with the decision taken at the multi-party conference held in Islam*abad earlier this month.

Sources told Dawn that using backdoor channels, the PML-N contacted the PPP leadership many times throughout the day on Thursday, asking it to review its decision in the larger interest of the opposition’s unity, but the PPP refused to reverse its decision.

“Since the PML-N has paid no heed to our request to reconsider its position, it is our final decision that we will abstain (from the vote)”, Mr Khokhar said.

The PPP meeting was presided over by its chief Asif Zardari and attended by Syed Khursheed Shah, Qamar Zaman Kaira, Sherry Rehman, Chaudhry Manzoor, Faisal Karim Kundi and Mr Khokhar, besides others.

Another PPP leader and office-bearer said the party members would participate in the assembly proceedings, but would not use their right of vote.

He disclosed that there “is a division within the party over the issue, but the leaders from Punjab have forced the leadership to stick to its earlier stance of not giving vote to former chief minister of the province Shahbaz Sharif because of his ‘insulting remarks’ in public meetings about Mr Zardari.

The PPP leader said his party had told the PML-N that the former was ready to vote for the latter’s nominee other than Shahbaz Sharif, but the N-League was insisting on Mr Sharif’s candidature. “Therefore, the PPP has been left with no option but to stay away from the voting.”

He said the PML-N should appreciate the fact that the PPP had not fielded its own candidate against Shahbaz Sharif.

Another senior leader of the PPP, who remained involved in the talks with the PML-N, said most of the PPP members believed that Shahbaz Sharif should at least have shown the courtesy of coming to Asif Zardari and Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari during the inaugural session of the NA or the election of the speaker and deputy speaker to shake hands with them as a goodwill gesture. He said both Shahbaz Sharif and Imran Khan in the past had used objectionable language against the PPP leadership, but the PTI chief at least took the initiative and greeted both Mr Zardari and Mr Bhutto-Zardari.

The PPP leader was of the view that Shahbaz Sharif was set to become leader of opposition in the lower house, and he should know that he was required to take all opposition parties along.

Sources in the PPP said the PML-N leaders had offered that Shahbaz Sharif would come to Mr Zardari in the house for a handshake, but they wanted a “guarantee” that Mr Zardari would not cause any embarrassment for Mr Sharif by turning his back to him. The sources said the PPP leaders told the PML-N men that Mr Zardari was not a “discourteous man”.

In another development, JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman called on Asif Zardari apparently in an attempt to pursue the PPP to reconsider its decision of abstaining from prime minister’s election.

At a time when some PML-N leaders were trying to mend ways with the PPP, Rana Sanaullah aggravated the situation when he made a statement that Asif Zardari was doing all this due to some “compulsions.”

Talking to a TV channel, MNA Sanaullah said Mr Zardari was facing the present situation due to his “own weaknesses.”

When contacted, the PML-N’s Mushahid Hussain Sayed claimed that in the MPC all the parties had agreed on a formula that the PPP would field the candidate for the office of the speaker and the MMA for the deputy speaker while the PML-N had been authorised to nominate anyone as the candidate for the office of the prime minister against Imran Khan.

“It was a party-specific decision and not person-specific,” Mr Sayed said, adding if the PPP would not fulfil its commitment, definitely the trust deficit between them would increase.

He said the PML-N had fulfilled its commitment by voting for Khursheed Shah and Asad Mehmood in the elections for the offices of the speaker and the deputy speaker.

“If they want to take a U-turn, it’s up to them but breaking up of the opposition’s alliance will be a disappointment for the nation,” the PML-N leader added.

He said the grand opposition alliance was formed to ensure fair and free elections in the country, but if the PPP stuck to its stance, the alliance would collapse.

The PML-N was earlier irked by the PPP’s decision to abstain from taking part in the protest staged by the former during the election of the NA speaker and deputy speaker.

Talking to Dawn, the JI’s Liaquat Baloch said their Shura had also decided to abstain from PM’s elections. He said the JI, which had only one MNA out of the 15 MMA members, had informed the Alliance leadership about its decision.

Responding to a question, he blamed both the PPP and the PML-N for betraying the opposition alliance and not fulfilling their commitment. He said that a meeting of the parliamentary committee of the MMA would be held on Friday.

Meanwhile, the PTI seems to be in a comfortable position and Imran Khan is likely to get more than the required 172 votes in the 342-member lower house of the Parliament.

The PTI’s nominees for the offices of the speaker and deputy speaker had secured 176 and 183 votes, respectively.

The parties which have either already announced their support to the PTI or are expected to vote for its nominees are the MQM with seven seats; PML-Q and BAP with five seats each; BNP (four seats); GDA (three); and Awami Muslim League and Jamhoori Watan Party (with one seat each). Besides them, nine independents have joined the PTI. Four independents who have decided to maintain their independent status are also expected to vote for the PTI. So Imran Khan could even get 180 votes.

The PML-N with 82 seats is the largest party in the opposition group, followed by PPP (53 seats), MMA (15 seats) and ANP (one seat).

https://www.dawn.com/news/1427507/alliance-unravels-as-ppp-refuses-to-vote-for-shahbaz
 
Sheikhu assembly aane se pehle paet pooja kerte hue :D
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/Ggvm1qaRxj">pic.twitter.com/Ggvm1qaRxj</a></p>— Sheikh Rashid Ahmad (@ShkhRasheed) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShkhRasheed/status/1030348272529891329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Wazir e Azam in Neela kurta :13:

DkueF4qW0AMlF_T.jpg:large
 
In indian social media Ik previous election fall video aftermath is doing rounds with the tag that IK was attacked and injured today. One of our indian customer messaged and asked me if Ik was okay.
 
According to news.
sardar usman buzdar has been picked as CM punjab

1st time MPA.. taking such a gamble and you select some fedual lord lol
 
According to news.
sardar usman buzdar has been picked as CM punjab

1st time MPA.. taking such a gamble and you select some fedual lord lol

News reports say that he is a strong candidate and he may be picked. Nothing final yet.

I would like some info on him though.
 
News reports say that he is a strong candidate and he may be picked. Nothing final yet.

I would like some info on him though.

He was part of the group that wanted a separate province in South Punjab.He contested on the PTI ticket for the first time this year.His father was a 3 Time MPA in the Punjab Assembly.
 
So Jamaat-e-Islami also won’t vote for Sharif :)))

they are finished for the time being. Sirajulhaq has been such a lightweight. They need to go back to the drawing board and figure out what they want to do.

The PPP are enjoying watching the PMLN crash and burn. there is no love lost there.

I will stick with the prediction that the PMLN will simply dissipate within the next 6 months into a poor shadow of itself..
 
same old families are riding strong.... playing political hitchhiking and getting big posts. Nawab this and Sardar that...

This is not naya pakistan.

something to ponder about.
 
PMLN in disarray at the moment..havent even reached the assembly for the vote..alleged in fighting or disagreements going on..
 
Be prepared for a lot of heckling and abuse by PMLN (like they did in Punjab assembly yesterday) when Imran does his speech today. They will try their best to disturb him.
 
I never seen an NA session. Is this normal.


And why is chacha cricket there
 
Last edited by a moderator:
It takes time to fit in a speaker role. Ayaz Sadiq and Fehmeeda Mirza were not born speaker lol they took time to adjust.

Although i agree Asad Qaiser is too naram mizaaj i would love to see Sheikh Rasheed as Speaker just imagine everyone calling him janaab e speaker :))
 
It takes time to fit in a speaker role. Ayaz Sadiq and Fehmeeda Mirza were not born speaker lol they took time to adjust.

Although i agree Asad Qaiser is too naram mizaaj i would love to see Sheikh Rasheed as Speaker just imagine everyone calling him janaab e speaker :))

Haha, he would do an awesome job as a speaker.
:)))
 
It takes time to fit in a speaker role. Ayaz Sadiq and Fehmeeda Mirza were not born speaker lol they took time to adjust.

Although i agree Asad Qaiser is too naram mizaaj i would love to see Sheikh Rasheed as Speaker just imagine everyone calling him janaab e speaker :))

The guy who use to insult women in the assembly should had been speaker? Nice...
 
It takes time to fit in a speaker role. Ayaz Sadiq and Fehmeeda Mirza were not born speaker lol they took time to adjust.

Although i agree Asad Qaiser is too naram mizaaj i would love to see Sheikh Rasheed as Speaker just imagine everyone calling him janaab e speaker :))

Exactly.

Asad Qaisar will turn out to be a very good speaker. It will take one or two months to further grow in confidence.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations to the new Prime Minister of Pakistan, <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; <a href="https://t.co/CewbVMKSv4">pic.twitter.com/CewbVMKSv4</a></p>— Malala (@Malala) <a href="https://twitter.com/Malala/status/1030425523095257089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
same old families are riding strong.... playing political hitchhiking and getting big posts. Nawab this and Sardar that...

This is not naya pakistan.

something to ponder about.

No offence but instead of posting trite comments based on people’s titles why don’t you do some research. Tell me so far how many high posts have been hijacked?
 
So, finally, the moment is here. Voting complete, members returning from lobbies. Result to be announced in the next 2-3 mins.
 
Back
Top