Protest against Quran-burning turns violent in Sweden

[Abdullah719]

Looks like there were some sane voices present as well. Good to see.

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During the riot, Samir Muric, a prominent Malmö imam, paced up and down in the space between the police and the rioters, imploring the rioters to stop and accusing them of shaming their own religion. Muric, who was dressed in a jubbah, has also condemned the rioters on his Facebook page. “Those who are acting in this way have nothing to do with Islam,” he wrote. “Their shouts filled with ‘la ilaha ill Allah’ and ‘Allahu Akbar’, are just outbursts that they do not mean, because if they really meant them, they wouldn’t have acted like this.”

Among the spectators, it was clear that many of the Muslims and Arabs among them opposed the riot. “I don’t like this, because the Arabs, they’re ****ing things up for our community here in Sweden, because one Danish man burned a Qur’an,” complained one man, who grew up in Malmö to Lebanese parents. “And this is what he wants. They want us to be like this. I’ve never seen this ever in my life. I’m shocked.”

Another young man, blocked from returning to his home in Rosengård at the end of a 10-hour shift, struggled to contain his frustration:“A maximum of five of them are Muslim. You know why? Because a real Muslim doesn’t do this. All religions, not only Islam, are about peace.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-after-far-right-swedish-activists-burn-quran

 

[sweep_shot]

No I can see you can read, it is the understanding what you read that seems to be the issue.

The people had a permit to gather and burn a book in an industrial area, everything was legal. Just because you dont like it does not make it disorderly conduct.

I'm not going to explain it again.

It is not rocket science that nobody can't understand. I don't need any explanation from you as you have a faulty understanding yourself.

I repeat, six people from far-right side got arrested due to inciting racial hatred. That's breaking law.

It is not for you to decide who gets arrested and who doesn't.

 

[El Generico]

As I said, it’s a very popular topic in India for some reason. #1 trend on Twitter for six hours!

A lot of Indians even posters here claim that India's main problem is Pakistan not Muslims but its clear that a portion of people in India have a problem with Muslims as a whole. I mean there are literally riots in the US everyday for the past month but I don't think any of them got the attention in India that this one incident in Sweden did.

They like to pick any incident from the around the world to confirm their hate for Muslims but conveniently ignore the hate in their own country.

 

[Abdullah719]

No I can see you can read, it is the understanding what you read that seems to be the issue.

The people had a permit to gather and burn a book in an industrial area, everything was legal. Just because you dont like it does not make it disorderly conduct.

I’m not going to explain it again.

Hope this helps. I have enlarged the font.

Police officers tried to control the situation by explaining their earlier arrests. “The police did not give them [the far-right activists] permission to do anything,” one officer assured a small but angry crowd gathered around him. “We arrested him as soon as a film came out on the internet showing they had burnt a Qur’an, and we arrested several of the others.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-after-far-right-swedish-activists-burn-quran

 

[Lonewarrior]

[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] bro do u need help ? do u want someone read it for you ? can you explain why 6 people were arrested ? if you cant effing explain it thn shut the damn mouth, understand ?

 

[El Generico]

It is not rocket science that nobody can't understand. I don't need any explanation from you as you have a faulty understanding yourself.

I repeat, six people from far-right side got arrested due to inciting racial hatred. That's breaking law.

Lol the fact [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] just keeps ignoring this part, shows that his intention is to troll rather than to have a discussion.

 

[Gilly]

[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] bro do u need help ? do u want someone read it for you ? can you explain why 6 people were arrested ? if you cant effing explain it thn shut the damn mouth, understand ?

I cant help it if you cannot understand that it is NOT illegal to burn any book in Sweden.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I cant help it if you cannot understand that it is NOT illegal to burn any book in Sweden.

why the hell 6 people were arrested ? give me the simple answer.

 

[Abdullah719]

I cant help it if you cannot understand that it is NOT illegal to burn any book in Sweden.

This is like saying that there is complete freedom of speech. Is that without exception? I don’t think so.

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Neo-Nazi from near Malmö charged for praising Hitler

A 44-year-old neo-Nazi from the Malmö commuter town of Vellinge has been charged with hate crimes after praising Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler on a social media site.

“One day the world will understand that Adolf Hitler was right,” Tobias Malvå wrote on the Russian internet forum VK.

Prosecutor Linda Rasmussen also submitted screen captures of 35 different posts on the site where Malvå attacks homosexuals, Jews and people of colour.

She told the Sydsvenskan newspaper that she was confident she had sufficient evidence to get a conviction.

“It’s of course up to the court to decide if it’s enough,” the prosecutor said. “I believe it is enough.”

Malvå, 44, is charged for having “threatened or expressed disgust at an ethnic group or another such group with reference to race, skin colour, nationality or ethnic origin, faith or sexual alignment.”

https://www.thelocal.se/20190711/neo-nazi-from-near-malmo-charged-for-praising-hitler

 

[sweep_shot]

I cant help it if you cannot understand that it is NOT illegal to burn any book in Sweden.

What about six people getting arrested? They were arrested for inciting racial hatred.

Also, they had no permission. Check here:

Police officers tried to control the situation by explaining their earlier arrests. “The police did not give them [the far-right activists] permission to do anything,” one officer assured a small but angry crowd gathered around him. “We arrested him as soon as a film came out on the internet showing they had burnt a Qur’an, and we arrested several of the others.”

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-after-far-right-swedish-activists-burn-quran.

I get it you probably don't like Muslims but at least try to mask it well. You are conveniently ignoring some aspects of Swedish laws and and the fact 6 far-right people got arrested for inciting racial hatred.

 

[Gilly]

Looks like there were some sane voices present as well. Good to see.

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During the riot, Samir Muric, a prominent Malmö imam, paced up and down in the space between the police and the rioters, imploring the rioters to stop and accusing them of shaming their own religion. Muric, who was dressed in a jubbah, has also condemned the rioters on his Facebook page. “Those who are acting in this way have nothing to do with Islam,” he wrote. “Their shouts filled with ‘la ilaha ill Allah’ and ‘Allahu Akbar’, are just outbursts that they do not mean, because if they really meant them, they wouldn’t have acted like this.”

Among the spectators, it was clear that many of the Muslims and Arabs among them opposed the riot. “I don’t like this, because the Arabs, they’re ****ing things up for our community here in Sweden, because one Danish man burned a Qur’an,” complained one man, who grew up in Malmö to Lebanese parents. “And this is what he wants. They want us to be like this. I’ve never seen this ever in my life. I’m shocked.”

Another young man, blocked from returning to his home in Rosengård at the end of a 10-hour shift, struggled to contain his frustration:“A maximum of five of them are Muslim. You know why? Because a real Muslim doesn’t do this. All religions, not only Islam, are about peace.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-after-far-right-swedish-activists-burn-quran

Whilst anyone continues to hate the far right is not a religious person because religious people do not have hate in their heart.

 

[sweep_shot]

Whilst anyone continues to hate the far right is not a religious person because religious people do not have hate in their heart.

You are not answering our questions/points. You are deflecting.

1) They had no permission. Check the guardian link.

2) Six people got arrested for inciting racial hatred.

3) It is illegal in Sweden to cause racial hatred. You can check below:

2. Disorderly Conduct
In addition, disorderly conduct (förargelseväckande beteende) intended to aggravate (förarga) people is also criminalized, and punishable with monetary fines.[24] The disorderly conduct provision explicitly includes noise disruptions.[25] To be punishable the person must “make noise in a public place or behave in public in a way that is intended to arouse public anger.”[26]

Disorderly conduct may include expressive conduct like waving a flag with offensive symbols.[27] The crime has a long history and was included in the Criminal Code as early as 1734.[28] As recently as the early 1900s it was also used to sentence persons who voiced opinions that were controversial.[29] This changed when an explicit prohibition on punishing opinions in the 1940s was included in the legislative history to the amendment of the Penal Code, where the legislators explained that it was the behavior not the content of what was said that should be punished.[30] Examples of behavior that has led to convictions include a person who sang and played music in his private home with the windows open in order to disrupt a political meeting that was being held outside his property.[31] Thus, heckling a political group is likely to fall within the constraints of disorderly conduct even if it does not specifically meet the requirements to be deemed disruption of public deliberations and gatherings mentioned above.

3. Racial Agitation
Sweden has criminalized “hate speech” when it amounts to “racial agitation” (hets mot folkgrupp), defined as ”a statement or other message that is spread and disseminated that threatens, or expresses condescension against, an ethnic group or another group of persons based on race, skin color, national or ethnic origin, faith, sexual orientation, gender, or gender identity or expression.”[32] The provision only protects the enumerated groups of people, and publication of untrue statements in itself is not considered hate speech. It was first introduced in a government bill in 1944 as a response to racial agitation against Jews.[33]

4. Enticement
Sweden criminalizes enticement (Uppvigling), defined as “orally in front of a public gathering, [or by other means in writing], [trying] to entice others to commit a criminal act, betray a citizenship duty, or disobey a government agency.”[34]

 

[El Generico]

Lol the poor guy has been proven wrong so now he is deflecting. Just admit you were wrong and the Far right broke the law that's why they got arrested [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION].

Or do you think the Swedish police arrested them just for the fun of it?

 

[Abdullah719]

A lot of Indians even posters here claim that India’s main problem is Pakistan not Muslims but its clear that a portion of people in India have a problem with Muslims as a whole. I mean there are literally riots in the US everyday for the past month but I don’t think any of them got the attention in India that this one incident in Sweden did.

They like to pick any incident from the around the world to confirm their hate for Muslims but conveniently ignore the hate in their own country.

Even a BJP Spokesperson is getting in on the act. With fake images.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is BJP officeholder <a href="https://twitter.com/goelgauravbjp?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@goelgauravbjp</a> spreading fake photo of women supposedly killed by 'jihadis' in Sweden and using hashtag <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/swedenriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#swedenriots</a><br><br>Here's the truth of this image which European fascist groups have been using: <a href="https://t.co/giq4Hoqx2a">https://t.co/giq4Hoqx2a</a><br><br>Shame on you and your party, sir. <a href="https://t.co/Y0ATzo4GNe">https://t.co/Y0ATzo4GNe</a></p>— Siddharth (@svaradarajan) <a href="https://twitter.com/svaradarajan/status/1299773063316172805?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[El Generico]

Even a BJP Spokesperson is getting in on the act. With fake images.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is BJP officeholder <a href="https://twitter.com/goelgauravbjp?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@goelgauravbjp</a> spreading fake photo of women supposedly killed by 'jihadis' in Sweden and using hashtag <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/swedenriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#swedenriots</a><br><br>Here's the truth of this image which European fascist groups have been using: <a href="https://t.co/giq4Hoqx2a">https://t.co/giq4Hoqx2a</a><br><br>Shame on you and your party, sir. <a href="https://t.co/Y0ATzo4GNe">https://t.co/Y0ATzo4GNe</a></p>— Siddharth (@svaradarajan) <a href="https://twitter.com/svaradarajan/status/1299773063316172805?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The sad thing is if you read the comments, his supporters are eating up his point even though they have been proven false.

Far righters in India, or anywhere in the world are so blinded by hate that they are ok with even lies and fake news to feed their hate. Their leaders use that to their advantage to control them.

I mean without the lies, their whole world view of Muslims=Evil would fall apart then what would they they do?

 

[sweep_shot]

Whilst anyone continues to hate the far right is not a religious person because religious people do not have hate in their heart.

Just admit that you got owned on this thread. There's no shame. We all get owned sometimes.

Anyone can check these laws on the internet. It is not really rocket science.

These are facts that six people from far-right side got arrested due to incitement and they had no permission for doing what they did.

Also, have a look at the laws from their government website: https://www.loc.gov/law/help/freedom-expression/sweden.php. Read the whole thing.

 

[Gilly]

What about six people getting arrested? They were arrested for inciting racial hatred.

Also, they had no permission. Check here:

Police officers tried to control the situation by explaining their earlier arrests. “The police did not give them [the far-right activists] permission to do anything,” one officer assured a small but angry crowd gathered around him. “We arrested him as soon as a film came out on the internet showing they had burnt a Qur’an, and we arrested several of the others.”

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-after-far-right-swedish-activists-burn-quran.

I get it you probably don't like Muslims but at least try to mask it well. You are conveniently ignoring some aspects of Swedish laws and and the fact 6 far-right people got arrested for inciting racial hatred.

We could go around in circles all day, maybe this will help you.

If a Indian migrant in Sweden went to a restaurant and someone sitting nearby ordered a steak, under you version of the law that would be disorderly conduct and incitement.

You would agree with that right.

 

[Lonewarrior]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] is a troll, derailing the thread, take necessary action .... thanks.

 

[El Generico]

We could go around in circles all day, maybe this will help you.

If a Indian migrant in Sweden went to a restaurant and someone sitting nearby ordered a steak, under you version of the law that would be disorderly conduct and incitement.

You would agree with that right.

Why did the Swedish police arrest six from the far right ? Whether you agree with it or not, they broke Swedish laws and were arrested. It's as simple as that. You narrative of the "far right broke no laws" has been proven wrong.

They would not have arrested if they did not break any laws.

 

[sweep_shot]

We could go around in circles all day, maybe this will help you.

If a Indian migrant in Sweden went to a restaurant and someone sitting nearby ordered a steak, under you version of the law that would be disorderly conduct and incitement.

You would agree with that right.

I do not need to learn anything from you. These can be found from government websites. These are very clear laws.

These laws show why six people from the far-right side got arrested for inciting racial hatred (which you are not addressing).

 

[El Generico]

[MENTION=137997]Abdullah719 [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] is a troll, derailing the thread, take necessary action .... thanks.

Seconded. Its clear he understand he has been proven wrong but he is pretty deliberately trolling now.

 

[Abdullah719]

We could go around in circles all day, maybe this will help you.

If a Indian migrant in Sweden went to a restaurant and someone sitting nearby ordered a steak, under you version of the law that would be disorderly conduct and incitement.

You would agree with that right.

That’s not what happened here. The far-right fanatics deliberately went to an area heavily populated by Muslims, and burnt a Quran in front of them.

You’re making it sound like they just happened to be burning a Quran for fun and agitated Muslims by mistake. Nice try, but not really.

A better comparison would be going to a group of Jews and praising and glorifying Hitler to their faces. Yeah, try that and let me know how it goes.

 

[Lonewarrior]

That’s not what happened here. The far-right fanatics deliberately went to an area heavily populated by Muslims, and burnt a Quran in front of them.

You’re making it sound like they just happened to be burning a Quran for fun and agitated Muslims by mistake. Nice try, but not really.

A better comparison would be going to a group of Jews and praising and glorifying Hitler to their faces. Yeah, try that and let me know how it goes.

you smoked him ....

 

[BreadPakoda]

Both parties are at fault. People have too much time to do all this stuff. Smh

 

[miandadrules]

It's not about ISIS.

It's about how the denizens of a tolerant, peace loving society with no history of racism or islamophobia can get so ****** off with a certain group of immigrants that they should resort to burning their holy book in public.

I'm sure the right wing Swede got no money for burning the Koran. Sweden takes care of its unemployed very well. There is no need for them to resort to cheap tricks to make money.

It is very clear that Muslim immigrants in Sweden, atleast a section of them, have abused their freedoms in their adopted society and have taken things for granted.

I don’t agree with this at all.

I have my criticisms of Islam and the conduct of some Muslims. But to cast this as provocation from Muslim immigrants, whilst ignoring the fact, that such a move bring with it political cache.

Muslims are probably the only group universally, you can rally the population against. Anti-Muslim bigotry is real and is used for political traction.

That’s not to say that all Muslims are innocent. Without question some cases have resulted from Muslim aggression.

 

[miandadrules]

Before protesting it’s burning. Muslims should at least try to read it once in a language they understand.

That’s the real travesty.

 

[Gilly]

Before protesting it’s burning. Muslims should at least try to read it once in a language they understand.

That’s the real travesty.

What the muslims should have done is turned up at the burning and provided food and drinks for the people burning the koran.

It would have made the far right look silly then.

 

[sweep_shot]

We could go around in circles all day, maybe this will help you.

If a Indian migrant in Sweden went to a restaurant and someone sitting nearby ordered a steak, under you version of the law that would be disorderly conduct and incitement.

You would agree with that right.

I am not an Indian Hindu. I don't consider cow to be sacred. I am a Muslim from another subcontinental country. We eat beef. I don't know what your point is here.

Back to the topic.

Let's recap:

1) Far-right did Quran burning without any permission.
2) 6 folks from far-right got arrested for inciting racial hatred.
3) Some Muslims got mad and started to be violent.
4) Swedish laws say it is illegal to incite hatred based on religious ground.

From the above four facts, it is obvious both sides broke laws. I condemned both sides. But, you are yet to condemn the far-right here. You are not even acknowledging that they broke laws.

 

[miandadrules]

What the muslims should have done is turned up at the burning and provided food and drinks for the people burning the koran.

It would have made the far right look silly then.

“Muslim” isn’t a monolith.

The far right got the reaction they wanted but that was the sole purpose. To agitate and gain political traction.

 

[King_Kohli]

That’s not what happened here. The far-right fanatics deliberately went to an area heavily populated by Muslims, and burnt a Quran in front of them.

You’re making it sound like they just happened to be burning a Quran for fun and agitated Muslims by mistake. Nice try, but not really.

A better comparison would be going to a group of Jews and praising and glorifying Hitler to their faces. Yeah, try that and let me know how it goes.

Your example is not matching here.
Because he burnt quran far away from a group of Muslims. No one was there at the time.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Riots in the Swedish city of malmo this evening after Danish party Stram Kurs members burnt a copy of the Koran. <a href="https://t.co/P75GPLznCm">pic.twitter.com/P75GPLznCm</a></p>— Dogz Bollox&#55356;&#57332;&#56128;&#56423;&#56128;&#56418;&#56128;&#56421;&#56128;&#56430;&#56128;&#56423;&#56128;&#56447;Right Wing News (@********_Dogz) <a href="https://twitter.com/********_Dogz/status/1299661240554455040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Lurker_Ind]

This is silly. Why burn a religious book?

If you don't like the book, just ignore.

Far-right people need new hobbies.

They did that because Muslims are easy to troll.
If Muslims ignored it, far right will never do it again as there is no reaction from Muslims.

 

[sweep_shot]

Your example is not matching here.
Because he burnt quran far away from a group of Muslims. No one was there at the time.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Riots in the Swedish city of malmo this evening after Danish party Stram Kurs members burnt a copy of the Koran. <a href="https://t.co/P75GPLznCm">pic.twitter.com/P75GPLznCm</a></p>— Dogz Bollox��������������Right Wing News (@********_Dogz) <a href="https://twitter.com/********_Dogz/status/1299661240554455040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Six of their fine gentlemen got arrested, BTW.

It is a crime to do this type of thing in Sweden.

 

[Abdullah719]

Your example is not matching here.
Because he burnt quran far away from a group of Muslims. No one was there at the time.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Riots in the Swedish city of malmo this evening after Danish party Stram Kurs members burnt a copy of the Koran. <a href="https://t.co/P75GPLznCm">pic.twitter.com/P75GPLznCm</a></p>— Dogz Bollox��������������Right Wing News (@********_Dogz) <a href="https://twitter.com/********_Dogz/status/1299661240554455040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’s only part of the story. Please read this article for the full details. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-after-far-right-swedish-activists-burn-quran

More than 300 rioters threw stones at police and burned tyres in the southern Swedish city on Friday night after a video circulated of followers of the far-right Danish politician Rasmus Paludan burning a copy of the Qur’an near one of the city’s mosques.

Police in Malmö had vacillated for two weeks over whether to give Rasmus Paludan, the leader of Denmark’s extremist Hard Line party permission to hold an anti-Islamic protest. Permission was denied on Wednesday, Paludan was stopped in a car on Friday afternoon as he left the Öresund bridge, deported and banned from entering Sweden for two years.

But this did not stop his supporters from filming themselves burning one copy of the Qur’an, and kicking another around Malmö’s main square like a football, for which three of them were arrested on suspicion of hate crimes.

Clear and obvious intent to incite.

 

[Kroll]

You mean like generalizing about the far right?.

Didn't think a guy of your stature would defend or sympathise with such groups.

 

[Gilly]

Didn't think a guy of your stature would defend or sympathise with such groups.

I just see the irony here.

Far right: Islam is a violent religion

Muslims: We are not and if anyone says we are then we will smash the place up.

 

[Abdullah719]

I just see the irony here.

Far right: Islam is a violent religion

Muslims: We are not and if anyone says we are then we will smash the place up.

Again with the generalizations… Half the Muslims who turned up at the protest itself were against the rioting.

 

[sweep_shot]

I just see the irony here.

Far right: Islam is a violent religion

Muslims: We are not and if anyone says we are then we will smash the place up.

There's no irony. You are refusing to put blame on far-right who routinely harasses minorities.

We condemn our own troublemakers but you don't condemn yours.

 

[Gilly]

Again with the generalizations… Half the Muslims who turned up at the protest itself were against the rioting.

The point was it gave the far right ammunition. In their minds they proved a point.

 

[sweep_shot]

I just see the irony here.

Far right: Islam is a violent religion

Muslims: We are not and if anyone says we are then we will smash the place up.

From your posts, we can learn a few things:

- You are possibly a retired and bitter boomer.
- You hate Islam and Muslims. You think Muslims are second class citizens.
- You support far-right and white supremacy (based on your posts on Wisconsin police thread and also this thread).

I think it is not healthy to have that much hatred at your old age. You should enjoy the world. Just saying.

 

[Gilly]

There's no irony. You are refusing to put blame on far-right who routinely harasses minorities.

We condemn our own troublemakers but you don't condemn yours.

What makes you think they are mine, I'm not an apologist for some group in another country.

 

[sweep_shot]

What makes you think they are mine, I'm not an apologist for some group in another country.

Yet you are condemning some group in another country.

See how hypocritical you sound?

 

[Gilly]

From your posts, we can learn a few things:

- You are possibly a retired and bitter boomer.
- You hate Islam and Muslims. You think Muslims are second class citizens.
- You support far-right and white supremacy (based on your posts on Wisconsin police thread and also this thread).

I think it is not healthy to have that much hatred at your old age. You should enjoy the world. Just saying.

Not all muslims, I only seem to tick of the extremists.

 

[Gilly]

Yet you are condemning some group in another country.

See how hypocritical you sound?

And your not condemning a group in another country. See how hypochritical you are.

 

[sweep_shot]

And your not condemning a group in another country. See how hypochritical you are.

I condemned both sides. Stop trolling.

 

[sweep_shot]

Not all muslims, I only seem to tick of the extremists.

I see you didn't make my third point bold. Does that mean you accept that you support white supremacy?

 

[Gilly]

I condemned both sides. Stop trolling.

I condemned both sides also.

 

[Gilly]

I see you didn't make my third point bold. Does that mean you accept that you support white supremacy?

Look if that helps you sleep at night then go for it, I really don't care.

 

[Abdullah719]

The point was it gave the far right ammunition. In their minds they proved a point.

They also broke the law.

 

[sweep_shot]

I condemned both sides also.

You didn't condemn the lawbreaking far-right.

Six people got arrested. I am yet to see you acknowledge that.

 

[Gilly]

They also broke the law.

I'm talking about in their mind, they will justify their actions by the result.

 

[Gilly]

You didn't condemn the lawbreaking far-right.

Six people got arrested. I am yet to see you acknowledge that.

I condemned anyone who resorts to violence, I dont care if they are far right, white supremists, BLM, Chinese, football fans, muslims, cowboys or ballet dancers.

 

[ahmedzee]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In this week itself I saw plenty of videos and pictures humiliating Hindu Gods, even using our holy books as toilet paper, we didn’t hurt a single innocent being, love this tolerance of Hinduism but intolerance of Islam has made me stop going to mosques, SHAME.. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/swedenriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#swedenriots</a></p>— Kangana Ranaut (@KanganaTeam) <a href="https://twitter.com/KanganaTeam/status/1299619948839403520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Anyone wants to see intolerant Indians then please go here, kanagana and all her supporters in this tweet. Shameless!

 

[Syed1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In this week itself I saw plenty of videos and pictures humiliating Hindu Gods, even using our holy books as toilet paper, we didn’t hurt a single innocent being, love this tolerance of Hinduism but intolerance of Islam has made me stop going to mosques, SHAME.. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/swedenriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#swedenriots</a></p>— Kangana Ranaut (@KanganaTeam) <a href="https://twitter.com/KanganaTeam/status/1299619948839403520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damn she got 65k likes for that. India's progression to a Hindutva hellhole seems to be picking up steam.

 

[Local.Dada]

The problem is where there is secularism and democracy we can challenge and pick holes. Where there is dictatorship or a totalitarian regime with a fixed approach then everything is justified. I sometimes wonder what is the lesser evil.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Why did Sweden allow so many Somalis there? You cannot allow so many people from a different country that they completely take over a city.

 

[sweep_shot]

Why did Sweden allow so many Somalis there? You cannot allow so many people from a different country that they completely take over a city.

Well, world has become globalized. This is the new world order and there is no reversing it.

I am sure Sweden didn't just allow Somalis but also plenty of Indians (along with other nationalities). It has become a multicultural country.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Well, world has become globalized. This is the new world order and there is no reversing it.

I am sure Sweden didn't just allow Somalis but also plenty of Indians (along with other nationalities). It has become a multicultural country.

How is it working out for Sweden in Malmo? If the newcomers are not willing to adopt to Swedish culture, it becomes a problem.

 

[sweep_shot]

How is it working out for Sweden in Malmo? If the newcomers are not willing to adopt to Swedish culture, it becomes a problem.

Why is that your headache? LOL. Are you in Sweden?

Also, you get troublemakers from all countries.

Many Indians overstay visas in western countries, for example. They also do financial frauds. I am simply pointing out that you get fraudsters and bad people from all countries just like you can find good people.

 

[Varun]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In this week itself I saw plenty of videos and pictures humiliating Hindu Gods, even using our holy books as toilet paper, we didn’t hurt a single innocent being, love this tolerance of Hinduism but intolerance of Islam has made me stop going to mosques, SHAME.. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/swedenriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#swedenriots</a></p>— Kangana Ranaut (@KanganaTeam) <a href="https://twitter.com/KanganaTeam/status/1299619948839403520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

She's such a wannabe.

I think her days of acting are behind her, and she's got suckered into the useless, noise polluting Hindutva eco-system.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Why is that your headache? LOL. Are you in Sweden?

Also, you get troublemakers from all countries.

Many Indians overstay visas in western countries, for example. They also do financial frauds. I am simply pointing out that you get fraudsters and bad people from all countries just like you can find good people.

There are many peaceful ways to protest. Burning and vandalizing plays right into the hands of far right.

Hopefully those fraudster Indians get caught and deported. You have to respect the country that has given the immigrants so much.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is a holy book.

Would you be happy if Muslims start burning Hindu holy books?

I am not saying violence is the answer. I am saying why provoke?

Do you have a similar view point when animal holy to one religion is killed?

 

[cricketjoshila]

She's such a wannabe.

I think her days of acting are behind her, and she's got suckered into the useless, noise polluting Hindutva eco-system.

Her last film was a blockbuster.

Lol at her acting days being behind her.

 

[cricketjoshila]

To burn or kick or disrespect a religious book or symbol is highly condemnable.

But people need to learn that violent response to such an act will only fuel more suspicion and hatred towards that religion and this may result in retaliation.

In last 15 days muslims have rioted in Bangalore and Malmo in response to a disrespectful act against Islam. In both incidents the perpetrators who insulted islam were arrested.

Was rioting a show if strength then? How long before those who were not even connected with the incident also start having views opposing muslims?

Rioting and violence will only strengthen muslimophobia. And make life difficulty for muslims in non muslim majority areas. They must let the law take its course.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

To burn or kick or disrespect a religious book or symbol is highly condemnable.

But people need to learn that violent response to such an act will only fuel more suspicion and hatred towards that religion and this may result in retaliation.

In last 15 days muslims have rioted in Bangalore and Malmo in response to a disrespectful act against Islam. In both incidents the perpetrators who insulted islam were arrested.

Was rioting a show if strength then? How long before those who were not even connected with the incident also start having views opposing muslims?

Rioting and violence will only strengthen muslimophobia. And make life difficulty for muslims in non muslim majority areas. They must let the law take its course.

What percentage of Muslims in India rioted? I doubt it was even 0.00000000000000000001 %.

However if one wants to have Muslimphobia because some Muslims riot, then one should also have phobia when others riot as well. Should people have phobia because a tiny percentage of Black lives Matter supporters have rioted. How about phobia when Hindus riot? Or when white people riot?

 

[CricketCartoons]

What percentage of Muslims in India rioted? I doubt it was even 0.00000000000000000001 %.

However if one wants to have Muslimphobia because some Muslims riot, then one should also have phobia when others riot as well. Should people have phobia because a tiny percentage of Black lives Matter supporters have rioted. How about phobia when Hindus riot? Or when white people riot?

People don't control their phobias and having a phobia is a human right. Those who are phobic need compassion, not shaming.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

How is it working out for Sweden in Malmo? If the newcomers are not willing to adopt to Swedish culture, it becomes a problem.

In Europe, even when non European immigrants adopt local culture, they are never viewed as real Sweedes, or French or Germans, etc. Most of the 3rd or 4th generation descendant immigrants cant even speak the language of the country where there family came from.

Its easier for people to assimilate into subcontinent culture.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What percentage of Muslims in India rioted? I doubt it was even 0.00000000000000000001 %.

However if one wants to have Muslimphobia because some Muslims riot, then one should also have phobia when others riot as well. Should people have phobia because a tiny percentage of Black lives Matter supporters have rioted. How about phobia when Hindus riot? Or when white people riot?

Point is muslims rioted in India on a facebook post. Muslims rioted in Sweden because of insult to Quran.Few months back Muslims killed a hindu guy because he had insulted the prophet(pbuh) In all cases the law had apprehended the original perpetrators, still riots occurred. It looked like it was more a show of strength.

Why is it difficult to take the lawful path?

How do you think the non muslims will react to this? They will appreciate this? This will only fuel more islamophobia and in future such a phobia will be demonstrated by a show of strength.

I have said this in the past and i say it again, migrants in western countries enjoy their rights because the native majority allows them to. The day the native majority feels their way of life has been significantly disturbed, all this rights and liberties will be in the gutter and migrants will be treated the way they are treated in some middle Eastern countries.

 

[Slog]

I couldn't care less.

What do you have to say for people who lynch others base did beliefs for eating beef.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Point is muslims rioted in India on a facebook post. Muslims rioted in Sweden because of insult to Quran.Few months back Muslims killed a hindu guy because he had insulted the prophet(pbuh) In all cases the law had apprehended the original perpetrators, still riots occurred. It looked like it was more a show of strength.

Why is it difficult to take the lawful path?

How do you think the non muslims will react to this? They will appreciate this? This will only fuel more islamophobia and in future such a phobia will be demonstrated by a show of strength.

I have said this in the past and i say it again, migrants in western countries enjoy their rights because the native majority allows them to. The day the native majority feels their way of life has been significantly disturbed, all this rights and liberties will be in the gutter and migrants will be treated the way they are treated in some middle Eastern countries.

The rioting is wrong. I am not defending it. Even if those people were not arrested, there is no excuse for damaging property. And those Muslims should be arrested.

However my point was that only a small amount of Muslims took part in the rioting. If all Muslims are going to be held responsible, then that needs to be done when other groups also riot. There are no shortages of riots that are happening right now. And if one searches, it wont be hard to find riots of all major groups in the world that have happened recently. With that said only Muslims seem to be held collectively responsible.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The rioting is wrong. I am not defending it. Even if those people were not arrested, there is no excuse for damaging property. And those Muslims should be arrested.

However my point was that only a small amount of Muslims took part in the rioting. If all Muslims are going to be held responsible, then that needs to be done when other groups also riot. There are no shortages of riots that are happening right now. And if one searches, it wont be hard to find riots of all major groups in the world that have happened recently. With that said only Muslims seem to be held collectively responsible.

The indian hindus who indulge in violence would be close to that number of yours which you use all the time. Should Pakistanis start seeing them as peaceful and friendly people because obviously the majority doesn't participate in riots.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The indian hindus who indulge in violence would be close to that number of yours which you use all the time. Should Pakistanis start seeing them as peaceful and friendly people because obviously the majority doesn't participate in riots.

Yes Pakistanis should see Indian Hindus as peaceful people

 

[Thomaskutty]

What do you have to say for people who lynch others base did beliefs for eating beef.

People who lynch for beef beliefs are bad and dangerous people; will you the same for these rioters and arsonists in sweden?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes Pakistanis should see Indian Hindus as peaceful people

That would be counter intuitive and against common sense, and fortunately is not the case. There is a reason the human mind generalizes fear. If it is found that 1 out of every 100 coca cola has harmful levels of pesticides, I would avoid all of their products. In case of riots, you don't know how many people support it despite not taking part physically, and how many people are apologists for such behavior. Those who riot are the tip of the iceberg. Generalizing fear in such cases is the right approach. When you don't know who among The Others hates you, it is better to be wary of all of them.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Hope the Swedes take the right action and clamp down on these right-wing nutters and the extremists on the other side. Malmo has been a melting pot for a few years and the Swedish authorities have turned a blind eye to all this.

A strong leadership is the need of the hour, like Jacinda in NZ. Progressive nations need to lead the way to show how people can be made to live together, the world otherwise is doomed.

 

[Saeed]

Didn’t know Bollywood was involved in this too. Maybe Kangana should launch another shuddhi and sangathan movement so she doesn’t have to visit mosques.

 

[Greenstorm]

For some reason, this story has been one of the top trends of the day on Twitter in… India.

Indian Muslims should take note.

Just an act of burning Quran has triggered such strong protests by Muslim community in Sweden (although, the riots and violence is unfortunate and must have been avoided).

Contrastly, Indian Muslims are being forced to chant against their own beliefs and are being beaten to death by Hindu mobs almost every other day, yet we do not hear a murmur from Indian Muslim community.

Meekness and subservience is not the Muslim way !

 

[Mesozoic]

Are people here seriously defending the rioters?

I condemn the actions of those right wing idiots but I think they got what they wanted in the end with the help of Malmö muslims.

On a side note, don't expect the so called Islamophobia to die down any time soon until the metal gymnasium of defending the undefendable stops from one side.

 

[gani999]

Indian Muslims should take note.

Just an act of burning Quran has triggered such strong protests by Muslim community in Sweden (although, the riots and violence is unfortunate and must have been avoided).

Contrastly, Indian Muslims are being forced to chant against their own beliefs and are being beaten to death by Hindu mobs almost every other day, yet we do not hear a murmur from Indian Muslim community.

Meekness and subservience is not the Muslim way !

Why don't you give the same advice to Chinese muslims?

Indian muslims are more than capable of taking care of themselves. They number more than 200 million. They don't need 'salah mashoora' from their brethren from across the border.

 

[Mesozoic]

Indian Muslims should take note.

Just an act of burning Quran has triggered such strong protests by Muslim community in Sweden (although, the riots and violence is unfortunate and must have been avoided).

Hmm. So you think violence is unfortunate but still want Indian Muslims to "take note". Do you seriously not see the hypocrisy here?

Meekness and subservience is not the Muslim way !

All this fake bravado is good to hear in theory but doesn't work in real life. Those unfortunate Muslims in Myanmar, Syria, North West China, Palestine and Yemen could do a lot with things other than these delusional sayings.

 

[Bhaijaan]

For some reason, this story has been one of the top trends of the day on Twitter in… India.

Yes.

Right wing hindutva fascists in India were using this news to highlight how Europe is burning due to Islamists.

They misinterpret matters like these to obviously support and justify their contributions to ethnic cleansing and genocide of muslims in India.