Protest against Quran-burning turns violent in Sweden

[Mesozoic]

Chinese are fighting sepratits, they dont hate Muslims as the majority of Muslims in China live a good life.

Lmao. All that fake bravado and then this.

Just accept that you are in no position to say anything about big brother China and move on. All these stupid excuses makes one look really lame.

 

[Slog]

Lmao. All that fake bravado and then this.

Just accept that you are in no position to say anything about big brother China and move on. All these stupid excuses makes one look really lame.

That’s where people like him lose credibility. You can use literally the same argument then for any force oppressing muslims then whether it’s India in Kashmir, Russia in Chechnya, Serbs all that time ago in Bosnia etc etc

 

[Technics 1210]

There is a reason why the Qur'an was tabulated years after the revelation; it is designed to be memorised. Yet we see Muslims react to the burning of the Qur'an as if it's an insult. Where's your faith? Diminished because a few people decide to burn a copy of the Qur'an? This very reaction is a testament to how fickle minded some people really are.

Conversely, if you want people to respect the Qur'an and Islamic values, then try respect other values first.

Finally make no mistake! This isn't a one off incident, you only believe this out of the norm cos of conditional media reporting.

 

[Local.Dada]

There is a reason why the Qur'an was tabulated years after the revelation; it is designed to be memorised. Yet we see Muslims react to the burning of the Qur'an as if it's an insult. Where's your faith? Diminished because a few people decide to burn a copy of the Qur'an? This very reaction is a testament to how fickle minded some people really are.

Conversely, if you want people to respect the Qur'an and Islamic values, then try respect other values first.

Finally make no mistake! This isn't a one off incident, you only believe this out of the norm cos of conditional media reporting.

Good post but on last point when you say the norm, are you talking about despicable acts like Quran burning or riot mobs in the name of Islam ?

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Why arent you spending the same energy writing emails to your MP to change this? Surely you care more about Hndustan than you do for Europe, you dont live here.

I don’t live in India anymore.

 

[Abdullah719]

A lot of Indians even posters here claim that India’s main problem is Pakistan not Muslims but its clear that a portion of people in India have a problem with Muslims as a whole. I mean there are literally riots in the US everyday for the past month but I don’t think any of them got the attention in India that this one incident in Sweden did.

They like to pick any incident from the around the world to confirm their hate for Muslims but conveniently ignore the hate in their own country.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Propaganda website wrote an article when he tore Muslim religious book. <br>He later started abusing Hindu Goddesses. So the editor had to edit their article just so that it shouldn't come as if they werr supporting a fringe. (pic 4) <a href="https://t.co/toHbMclAHA">pic.twitter.com/toHbMclAHA</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1301821559137423360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

These bigoted media outlets are at the forefront of spreading hate.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do you support banning of mocking prominent figures like Trump, Modi etc? If you do, then I have nothing to say to you. If you do not support, then it means you are a hypocrite.

Where is the hypocrisy? mocking prominent figures is now part of western culture so it is only right to join in with it. Islamic religion does not allow mocking of the prophet PBUH, so a law abiding western Muslim can refrain from mocking venerated prophets while at the same time fitting in with the locals by mocking Modi, Trump etc.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

These refugees are repaying their host nation by burning down their cities.

They escaped a war zone and making their new environment a war zone

 

[Abdullah719]

Sweden: Far-right activists burn copy of Quran, plan more stunts

Members of a Danish far-right group burned a copy of the Quran in Sweden, only days after a similar incident in the southern city of Malmo.

A video posted by the leader of the Stram Kurs (Hard Line) group showed a man burning the Muslim holy book in the Rinkeby neighbourhood.

Rinkeby, in the capital Stockholm, has a large Muslim and migrant population.

“Today, Stram Kurs, burned the Quran in Swedish sh*t hole ghetto Rinkenby,” Rasmus Paludan wrote on Facebook.

“A lot of criminals have said that we would never be able to do this. But we did it. Islam is an evil and primitive religion that has no place in Denmark, Sweden or any other civilised society,” he added.

The group had earlier asked police for permission to burn the Quran in Rinkeby but the request was denied.

The latest act came amid reports that the party is planning more demonstrations in five Stockholm suburbs on September 12.

According to Euronews, members of Sweden’s Muslim community held a meeting on Tuesday to discuss how to deal with the demonstrations this weekend.

“The conclusion was to encourage friendly and calm actions,” Mahmoud Khalfi, an imam, told Euronews. “One should not react strongly, but instead just ignore it.”

Muslim groups were in contact with Swedish police about security restrictions for mosques in Stockholm on Saturday, said Khalfi.

About a week ago, far-right activists had burned a copy of the Quran in Rosengard, also a neighbourhood with a large migrant population, in Malmo.

Following the event, some 300 people protested against the far-right act, where at least 10 people were arrested and several police officers were injured.

Paludan was scheduled to speak at the Malmo event but was stopped from entering the country, and subsequently banned for two years.

Paludan, known for Islamophobic stunts, last year attracted media attention for burning a Quran wrapped in bacon.

In June, Paludan was sentenced to three months in prison in Denmark over various violations of hate speech laws.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...n-copy-quran-plan-stunts-200910111120111.html

 

[sweep_shot]

Looks like far-right is getting desperate. Their desperation reminds me of Desperate Housewives.

Not sure what the endgame is here but I hope police will do their jobs.

 

[Sidilicious]

Just do not react against these idiots and the story will be closed.

Surely, if you believe so strongly in your religion, some idiots burning a book and saying a few nasty words against your is not going damage it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Just do not react against these idiots and the story will be closed.

Surely, if you believe so strongly in your religion, some idiots burning a book and saying a few nasty words against your is not going damage it.

nice. put the onus on victims instead of the perpetrators.

 

[Sidilicious]

nice. put the onus on victims instead of the perpetrators.

The victim here being a book?

 

[CricketCartoons]

The victim here being a book?

The followers of The Book. You are being deliberately obtuse. Anyway continue supporting the perpetrators.

 

[Gullycricket]

The muslims here have shown amazing patience and restraint even after being provoked

 

[The Viper]

Belgium expels Danish right-wing activists over plot to burn Koran

Belgium has expelled five Danish far-right activists and banned them for a year over their plans to burn a Koran in a mainly-Muslim area of Brussels.

Secretary of State for Asylum Sammy Mahdi called them "a serious threat to public order".

According to their Facebook page, the five are associates of the Danish far-right politician Rasmus Paludan.

Paludan was expelled from France on Wednesday after signalling his intention to burn a Koran in Paris.

Earlier this year, he was jailed for a month in Denmark for a string of offences including posting anti-Islam videos on the social media channels of his Stram Kurs (Hard Line) party.

In the latest incident, Belgian police suspected the five were planning to burn a Koran in the Molenbeek-Saint-Jean district of Brussels, local media reported. The area has a large Moroccan community.

They were questioned by police who then forwarded the case to the public prosecutor's office, a source told AFP news agency.

Mr Mahdi, himself the son of an Iraqi refugee, welcomed their arrest and expulsion.

"They were ordered to leave the country quickly, which they did," his office quoted him saying. "The stay was refused because these men represent a serious threat to public order in Belgium."

The statement did not mention Paludan by name but said that "another man was recently arrested in France for the same reason".

In a post on Facebook on October 30, Paludan said he had told the French consulate in Copenhagen that he would burn a Koran at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris on 11 November.

Mr Mahdi added: "In our society, which is already very polarised, we don't need people who come to spread hatred."

In August, supporters of Paludan in the southern Swedish city of Malmö burned a Koran, triggering violent protests and clashes with police.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-54919127?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Tubs]

Hmm, I understand banning someone from burning something in a public place, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. They expelled them from the country for being provocative, which is strange. Seems to me that they have quite low expectations of Muslims, thinking they can't hold back when their holy book is burned.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hmm, I understand banning someone from burning something in a public place, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. They expelled them from the country for being provocative, which is strange. Seems to me that they have quite low expectations of Muslims, thinking they can't hold back when their holy book is burned.

Where do you live Tubs? If it's the UK as was my impression then there is such a law as incitement to violence.

 

[Tubs]

Where do you live Tubs? If it's the UK as was my impression then there is such a law as incitement to violence.

Oh sure, I agree with that law entirely. But is burning a Quran inciting violence? Of course not. Is holding a sign up that says 'Attack Muslims' incitement to violence? Of course, and that should warrant intervention. If you think burning a Quran is incitement to violence, then you think that Muslims are either obliged to attack someone who does so, or can't hold back when someone does.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Oh sure, I agree with that law entirely. But is burning a Quran inciting violence? Of course not. Is holding a sign up that says 'Attack Muslims' incitement to violence? Of course, and that should warrant intervention. If you think burning a Quran is incitement to violence, then you think that Muslims are either obliged to attack someone who does so, or can't hold back when someone does.

Fantastic English to be fair so at least we can establish you are indeed a well integrated Brit.

 

[Tubs]

Fantastic English to be fair so at least we can establish you are indeed a well integrated Brit.

Unsure if that's sarcasm due to me making an error in my previous post (I've re-read it and can't seem to find any), but I'll take it as a genuine compliment (a welcome one at that, as I have quite a few papers to write at uni currently). Any objections to the content of my post, however? Some Muslims famously burned poppies on Remembrance Day, and I support their right to do so.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Unsure if that's sarcasm due to me making an error in my previous post (I've re-read it and can't seem to find any), but I'll take it as a genuine compliment (a welcome one at that, as I have quite a few papers to write at uni currently). Any objections to the content of my post, however? Some Muslims famously burned poppies on Remembrance Day, and I support their right to do so.

No it wasn't sarcasm, I was asking for your location to get an idea where you are coming from, then I studied your language and realised you are a Brit like me.

As to what you said, no I have never said that Muslims are obliged to attack someone for burning the Quran, those are your words. I do think burning the Quran is an incitement to violence because those who are doing it know fine well that while 99% of Muslims won't react violently - as they shouldn't - there is always a chance it will spark someone who is unhinged to do so. You would have to be blind and ignorant to think otherwise.

It's like an animal trainer putting his head in the mouth of a lion. Yes he can do it because the animal is well trained and 9 times out of 10 won't bite. But that 10th time when he might is the reason it's not a good idea.

 

[Tubs]

No it wasn't sarcasm, I was asking for your location to get an idea where you are coming from, then I studied your language and realised you are a Brit like me.

As to what you said, no I have never said that Muslims are obliged to attack someone for burning the Quran, those are your words. I do think burning the Quran is an incitement to violence because those who are doing it know fine well that while 99% of Muslims won't react violently - as they shouldn't - there is always a chance it will spark someone who is unhinged to do so. You would have to be blind and ignorant to think otherwise.

It's like an animal trainer putting his head in the mouth of a lion. Yes he can do it because the animal is well trained and 9 times out of 10 won't bite. But that 10th time when he might is the reason it's not a good idea.

Sure, but you shouldn't claim it's an incitement to violence because a fringe extremist would find it as such. Fringe extremists could find women not covering their hair as an incitement to violence. My point being that we shouldn't use what the crazy 1% would think as a metric.

The lion has no moral agency, humans do. Not a great analogy, I feel.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sure, but you shouldn't claim it's an incitement to violence because a fringe extremist would find it as such. Fringe extremists could find women not covering their hair as an incitement to violence. My point being that we shouldn't use what the crazy 1% would think as a metric.

The lion has no moral agency, humans do. Not a great analogy, I feel.

Well you don't have to call it incitement to violence, perhaps there won't be any.

 

[Tubs]

Well you don't have to call it incitement to violence, perhaps there won't be any.

Exactly, it isn't an incitement to violence. It's being provocative and distasteful, but that isn't a crime.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly, it isn't an incitement to violence. It's being provocative and distasteful, but that isn't a crime.

I am in agreement with you. Let them burn Qurans, if they provoke violence then the law is there to deal with it.

 

[Tubs]

I am in agreement with you. Let them burn Qurans, if they provoke violence then the law is there to deal with it.

Certainly, glad we're in agreement there. I also think that burning Qurans is the only way to dispose of them correctly (I think in the case of if they get very damaged)? But obviously, these people aren't trying to dispose of damaged Qurans.