Question for Muslim men - Would you marry a woman who doesn't pray?

[sweep_shot]

Praying is required because it is command of God, it is fundamental to faith , yes a person who prays can do sins , that does not mean that a sinful person is exempt from praying.

Precisely!

From Islamic point of view, missing prayer is more sinful than many other sins. You can commit many sins but you still have to pray.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If a person is praying somethimes and is negligient sometimes is doing a major sin , but someone who does not pray at all , is out of fold of Islam.

This is not logical or makes any sense. If this person starts praying again, he/she is back in the fold? If they stop again, how long before they are out of the fold? 1 day, 1 week, 1 month or 1 year?

 

[sweep_shot]

This is not logical or makes any sense. If this person starts praying again, he/she is back in the fold? If they stop again, how long before they are out of the fold? 1 day, 1 week, 1 month or 1 year?

Actually, it depends on which school of thought you follow. Salafis say that you are out of fold if you do not pray at all. Here's the video:

I think we should respect all madhabs.

 

[Justcrazy]

This is not logical or makes any sense. If this person starts praying again, he/she is back in the fold? If they stop again, how long before they are out of the fold? 1 day, 1 week, 1 month or 1 year?

Brother , if a person starts praying with sincerity he is a Muslim , Allah swt forgives even shirk but if your intention is to keep playing tricks , Allah is aware of that.

You need to understand that the one who is going to judge , is not a Human , who judges from exterior

 

[Justcrazy]

Actually, it depends on which school of thought you follow. Salafis say that you are out of fold if you do not pray at all. Here's the video:

Hanafis are a bit more relaxed in this regard. I think we should respect both views.

There may be thousand views of a thousand scholars, but the point is that we need to follow the Quran and hadeeth.

 

[rockyboy2018]

Similarly, a woman should not marry a man who prays five times a day but a wife's beater! (Very common in Pakistan).

Personal faith and personal accountabilty lie in between a person and his God. And, who are we to judge!

And, if you want to be fast tracked in the eyes of God, as in the words of Urdu Poet Allama Iqbal, raise yourself to an extent where God simply asks you - what do you want from me. It happens - it is not a myth.

When it comes to Pakistani men, they pray and they think they personally owe God as long as they are committing other sins -- everything is forgivable. That's the impression I have got. When I was in Pakistan, every person was speaking lies like there was no tomorrow.

 

[sweep_shot]

There may be thousand views of a thousand scholars, but the point is that we need to follow the Quran and hadeeth.

Yes. You are right. Scholars at times differ. We have to respect all opinions.

At the end of the day, every ruling should be backed by Quran and Sunnah.

 

[Justcrazy]

Precisely!

From Islamic point of view, missing prayer is more sinful than many other sins. You can commit many sins but you still have to pray.

The very first thing that would be asked on the day of judgement is prayers. By prayers here it means the obligatory ones , tht hardly takes 30 mins , for 5 prayers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Brother , if a person starts praying with sincerity he is a Muslim , Allah swt forgives even shirk but if your intention is to keep playing tricks , Allah is aware of that.

You need to understand that the one who is going to judge , is not a Human , who judges from exterior

I never mentioned tricks. Im sure we all including yourself see your faith fluctuate, sometimes we have strong faith and at some times we lose a little, this is normal for human beings. As you write, if someone prays they are Muslim again, so not really out of the fold esp when you can make up missed prayers.


As far as I know there is no strong evidence for this.

 

[Ronaldo7]

This is not logical or makes any sense. If this person starts praying again, he/she is back in the fold? If they stop again, how long before they are out of the fold? 1 day, 1 week, 1 month or 1 year?

it is logical.
If you are Deliberately not praying then that means you don't believe in God. We're not talking about accidentally missing the prayer, we're talking about intentionally not praying.

 

[Justcrazy]

Similarly, a woman should not marry a man who prays five times a day but a wife's beater! (Very common in Pakistan).

Personal faith and personal accountabilty lie in between a person and his God. And, who are we to judge!

And, if you want to be fast tracked in the eyes of God, as in the words of Urdu Poet Allama Iqbal, raise yourself to an extent where God simply asks you - what do you want from me. It happens - it is not a myth.

When it comes to Pakistani men, they pray and they think they personally owe God as long as they are committing other sins -- everything is forgivable. That's the impression I have got. When I was in Pakistan, every person was speaking lies like there was no tomorrow.

Did Iqbal pray or not ?

And who told you we are judging? Allah swt has already said through his meessenger what is required and what is not.

 

[rockyboy2018]

it is logical.
If you are Deliberately not praying then that means you don't believe in God. We're not talking about accidentally missing the prayer, we're talking about intentionally not praying.

So that means you should play God and make a judgment about him, it is called shirk.

 

[Justcrazy]

Yes. You are right. Scholars at times differ. We have to respect all opinions.

At the end of the day, every ruling should be backed by Quran and Sunnah.

When Umar RA was dying, he said that a person who does not pray has nothing in the hereafter , there was ijma among the companions on praying issue , to that extent that even hypocrites used to pray.

 

[KingKhanWC]

it is logical.
If you are Deliberately not praying then that means you don't believe in God. We're not talking about accidentally missing the prayer, we're talking about intentionally not praying.

Plenty of Muslims don't pray regularly, some only on Fridays so they must be believing in God if they pray even just on Fridays.

 

[Justcrazy]

Plenty of Muslims don't pray regularly, some only on Fridays so they must be believing in God if they pray even just on Fridays.

Brother, this is a very dangerous situation to be in, its a huge chance a person is taking.

But there is a difference between not praying at all , and praying irregularly.

 

[rockyboy2018]

Brother, this is a very dangerous situation to be in, its a huge chance a person is taking.

But there is a difference between not praying at all , and praying irregularly.

And you should pass on fatwas.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Brother, this is a very dangerous situation to be in, its a huge chance a person is taking.

But there is a difference between not praying at all , and praying irregularly.

Exactly my point. You cant make blanket statements.

Anyway we shouldn't worry about what others do, too many religious people look down on others because they pray more etc.

Some pray and sin a lot, others don't pray regularly but hardly sin. Who is worse? Only God knows.

 

[Justcrazy]

And you should pass on fatwas.

I am not , this is what quran and hadeeth is saying. For a Muslim what is a proof , if it is not quran and hadeeth ?

 

[Justcrazy]

Exactly my point. You cant make blanket statements.

Anyway we shouldn't worry about what others do, too many religious people look down on others because they pray more etc.

Some pray and sin a lot, others don't pray regularly but hardly sin. Who is worse? Only God knows.

Brother , Allah swt has also given blanket statements by saying all disbelievers will be in hell.

Secondly , there is a question asked , that is why I am responding.

Thirdly if someone looks down upon others that is his individual action.

Fourthly , a person who prays and sin is better than a person who does not pray and because NOT praying at all falls into the category of kufr. This is Islamic point of view , if someone does not care , he can very well do so. Allah swt has given him life , he would not do anything in this world. But end of the day he would be accountable for his actions.

Problem is that people take this personally, which they should not , this thread is probably for people who themselves pray , and that is how it should be.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Brother , Allah swt has also given blanket statements by saying all disbelievers will be in hell.

Secondly , there is a question asked , that is why I am responding.

Thirdly if someone looks down upon others that is his individual action.

Fourthly , a person who prays and sin is better than a person who does not pray and because NOT praying at all falls into the category of kufr. This is Islamic point of view , if someone does not care , he can very well do so. Allah swt has given him life , he would not do anything in this world. But end of the day he would be accountable for his actions.

Problem is that people take this personally, which they should not , this thread is probably for people who themselves pray , and that is how it should be.

What school of thought do you follow? Just out of interest

 

[Bewal Express]

That Moulvi is illiterate, probably he read from Fazail e Amal , that book has many stupid and fabricated stuff written , yes missing prayer is a big sin , but quantity of punishment is matter of unseen , we will know only when we are dead.

It woke me up and kept me awake. That's good enough for me.

 

[sweep_shot]

It was narrated that Buraydah ibn al-Husayb (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘The covenant that distinguishes between us and them is the prayer, and whoever neglects it has disbelieved (become a kaafir).’”

Source: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5208/neglecting-prayer-out-of-laziness

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], you may want to take a look at the above hadith.

I think it is better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Ronaldo7]

now if you tell people what is allowed or not allowed in islam, they start telling you that you're playing God.

What has the world come to?
a bunch of softies can't accept that they're committing sins instead they try to blanket them

 

[sweep_shot]

now if you tell people what is allowed or not allowed in islam, they start telling you that you're playing God.

What has the world come to?
a bunch of softies can't accept that they're committing sins instead they try to blanket them

Possible signs of end times?

It is becoming quite difficult to be a good Muslim. You get called all sorts of names. I was called ISIS before even though I always condemn ISIS.

 

[rockyboy2018]

now if you tell people what is allowed or not allowed in islam, they start telling you that you're playing God.

What has the world come to?
a bunch of softies can't accept that they're committing sins instead they try to blanket them

I say that it is a personal relationship between a person and God. And, everyone who is born into a Muslim household knows about Namaaz and its advantages, etc. However, the reality is, it has been my personal experience that If you do not pray, it is everyone's business from a shop keeper to any Tom, Harry, and Dick. Pray 5 times a day good for you however as soon as people step out from a mosque - they break the same message of God that they just worshipped by lying, stealing, and by committing other sins. Remember Pakistan tops the chart in porn-watching.

For example, Imran Khan's ex-wife had accused him of not praying a single time when they were together-- she elaborated about it in her book -- look at how he is the prime minister of Pakistan and she is nowhere to be seen. How come God is so kind to him than to her if not praying 5 times every single day is the only judging criteria for God to elevate one's status. On that basis, Imran Khan should be at the bottom of the pyramid not at the top of it.

 

[sweep_shot]

For example, Imran Khan's ex-wife had accused him of not praying a single time when they were together-- she elaborated about it in her book -- look at how he is the prime minister of Pakistan and she is nowhere to be seen. How come God is so kind to him than to her if not praying 5 times every single day is the only judging criteria for God to elevate one's status. On that basis, Imran Khan should be at the bottom of the pyramid not at the top of it.

You may want to check this link: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/135...ly-cause-him-to-live-a-good-life-an-nahl-1697.

It should answer your question.

 

[cric_man]

May Allah keep us all on the righteous path. And pair us with righteous spouses (if not already).
May our offspring be righteous and become a means of sadqa jazriah after we meet our maker.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Possible signs of end times?

It is becoming quite difficult to be a good Muslim. You get called all sorts of names. I was called ISIS before even though I always condemn ISIS.

it may well be a sign

 

[Justcrazy]

I never mentioned tricks. Im sure we all including yourself see your faith fluctuate, sometimes we have strong faith and at some times we lose a little, this is normal for human beings. As you write, if someone prays they are Muslim again, so not really out of the fold esp when you can make up missed prayers.


As far as I know there is no strong evidence for this.

The act is an act of kufr.

If someone misses the prayer and makes up for it is a different issue, and a person deliberately not praying is another issue.

The evidence of what I said is from Quran and Hadeeth , and the evidence what scholars are saying is from istedal .

Strong faith and weak faith is looked in matters which are not obligatory.

 

[Justcrazy]

What school of thought do you follow? Just out of interest

Nothing in particular, but still mostly Hanbali school of thought in most matters.

 

[Justcrazy]

I say that it is a personal relationship between a person and God. And, everyone who is born into a Muslim household knows about Namaaz and its advantages, etc. However, the reality is, it has been my personal experience that If you do not pray, it is everyone's business from a shop keeper to any Tom, Harry, and Dick. Pray 5 times a day good for you however as soon as people step out from a mosque - they break the same message of God that they just worshipped by lying, stealing, and by committing other sins. Remember Pakistan tops the chart in porn-watching.

For example, Imran Khan's ex-wife had accused him of not praying a single time when they were together-- she elaborated about it in her book -- look at how he is the prime minister of Pakistan and she is nowhere to be seen. How come God is so kind to him than to her if not praying 5 times every single day is the only judging criteria for God to elevate one's status. On that basis, Imran Khan should be at the bottom of the pyramid not at the top of it.

How the people act does not mean that people will stop praying. The people who steal , lie etc also eat and have children , so should we stop those activities as well ?

If a question is raised regarding jurisprudence of Islam , it has to be answered.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Best for people to look at their own eeman rather than looking for it in others, even while choosing life partners. People can discover faith in any part of their lives.

Also, I'd replace 'wife' with 'spouse'.

 

[Justcrazy]

Best for people to look at their own eeman rather than looking for it in others, even while choosing life partners. People can discover faith in any part of their lives.

Also, I'd replace 'wife' with 'spouse'.

Yes people can change at any part of their lives, but they may not as well. When we make choices in our lives about worldly things we go for best , but when it comes to faith we take chances , is it right attitude ? I mean will it be good answer to give God on the day of judgement ?

 

[aloo paratha]

No. To me religion is a very important aspect of life. If she doesn't pray, it means she isn't very religious, meaning we would have different perspectives in life, which would already make a marriage incompatible

 

[saeedhk]

From my observation, most Pakistani young women do not pray. If that is the criteria for your marriage, you will find it very difficult to get married.

 

[aukhan]

When you will grow up you will realize that praying five times doesn't make you a better individual/human being. People usually get more religious with age anyway. Better to find a spouse with the right set of values and mindset.

 

[Green Patriot]

If someone has particular religious values it is absolutely fine and it is best to find someone who shares such values as well beforehand then marrying someone who doesn't and then forcing them to change their lifestyle to suit your own values. That's unfair and will prove to be a disaster.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It was narrated that Buraydah ibn al-Husayb (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘The covenant that distinguishes between us and them is the prayer, and whoever neglects it has disbelieved (become a kaafir).’”

Source: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5208/neglecting-prayer-out-of-laziness

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], you may want to take a look at the above hadith.

I think it is better to be safe than sorry.

Sorry bro, I dont follow the ideology which has originated out of 'Saudi' Arabia. This literalist and extreme ideology is one of the main causes the Muslim world is in tatters.

Let me explain.

Here is the perfect example of literalism and incorrect understanding.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/102...-letting-garments-hang-below-the-ankle-isbaal

The point of this was not so you have to hang your trousers half way up your knees but to simply point out pride, arrogance is wrong as in those days robes used to drag across the floor etc.

 

[Justcrazy]

Sorry bro, I dont follow the ideology which has originated out of 'Saudi' Arabia. This literalist and extreme ideology is one of the main causes the Muslim world is in tatters.

Let me explain.

Here is the perfect example of literalism and incorrect understanding.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/102...-letting-garments-hang-below-the-ankle-isbaal

The point of this was not so you have to hang your trousers half way up your knees but to simply point out pride, arrogance is wrong as in those days robes used to drag across the floor etc.

Islam , Quran and teachings of Muhammad SAW originated from Arab.

The question of tark e salah is serious. From both hadeeth and quran we can see what amounts to leaving salah.

I could not understand what is the connection with clothes over ankle and salah , its a totally different topic .

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

It's not really that important to me, I've dated a girl who used to pray and fast. I thought about marrying her, so oneday we decided to break our fast together, before azan when she was speaking her breath smelled so bad that I had to dump her after breaking my fast Alhamdullilah

She married my best friend and became a Disco Deewane

 

[Ronaldo7]

It's not really that important to me, I've dated a girl who used to pray and fast. I thought about marrying her, so oneday we decided to break our fast together, before azan when she was speaking her breath smelled so bad that I had to dump her after breaking my fast Alhamdullilah

She married my best friend and became a Disco Deewane

what have i just read

 

[cric_man]

what have i just read

LoL... i wrote and deleted my comment on this multiple times.

Bless his heart.

 

[sweep_shot]

It's not really that important to me, I've dated a girl who used to pray and fast. I thought about marrying her, so oneday we decided to break our fast together, before azan when she was speaking her breath smelled so bad that I had to dump her after breaking my fast Alhamdullilah

She married my best friend and became a Disco Deewane

I really don't know what to say. LMAO.

 

[andy0204]

It's not really that important to me, I've dated a girl who used to pray and fast. I thought about marrying her, so oneday we decided to break our fast together, before azan when she was speaking her breath smelled so bad that I had to dump her after breaking my fast Alhamdullilah

She married my best friend and became a Disco Deewane

 

[sweep_shot]

Sorry bro, I dont follow the ideology which has originated out of 'Saudi' Arabia. This literalist and extreme ideology is one of the main causes the Muslim world is in tatters.

Let me explain.

Here is the perfect example of literalism and incorrect understanding.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/102...-letting-garments-hang-below-the-ankle-isbaal

The point of this was not so you have to hang your trousers half way up your knees but to simply point out pride, arrogance is wrong as in those days robes used to drag across the floor etc.

There are indeed some extreme rulings from certain clerics. It is why I only trust a fatwa that's backed by Quran and Sunnah. If something is backed by Quran or saheeh hadith, I generally accept it.

I know what you are trying to say.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The people who are making the posts that show that Islamically the one who does not pray has left the religion are quite correct that they are somewhat expressing the classical scholarly consensus on the matter.

However there is more to it than that. Its not just a cause of not praying, it is rejecting the need to pray or that prayer is fardh upon a muslim, that the rulings apply to.

We all fluctuate in our level of devotion, sometimes unfortunately life gets in the way...but the one who realises the need to pray and fails to do so is completely different from the ond feels there is no obligation.

With respect to the OP I would be comfortable with a spouse who understands the needs to pray, expresses an intention to pray but fails to do so at times.

I would be completely uncomfortable marrying someone who outright rejects it or has became so liberal that they feel salaat isnt necessary and that we all have our own ways of praying etc etc.

 

[the Great Khan]

Coming from someone who has been married for quite a while now I would say it helps..but ask yourself do you pray? Do you have an ideology? Do you have principles? If you are deficient don't expect the girl to mother you and fix you.

Ensure you have your own house in order first then Allah swt will guide you rightly. He has made righteous spouses for the righteous..

And remember if she is as deficient as you your children will be a bunch of jahils too..then don't cry years later when your son or daughter do a stupid thing. May Allah swt protect us.

 

[Justcrazy]

The people who are making the posts that show that Islamically the one who does not pray has left the religion are quite correct that they are somewhat expressing the classical scholarly consensus on the matter.

However there is more to it than that. Its not just a cause of not praying, it is rejecting the need to pray or that prayer is fardh upon a muslim, that the rulings apply to.

We all fluctuate in our level of devotion, sometimes unfortunately life gets in the way...but the one who realises the need to pray and fails to do so is completely different from the ond feels there is no obligation.

With respect to the OP I would be comfortable with a spouse who understands the needs to pray, expresses an intention to pray but fails to do so at times.

I would be completely uncomfortable marrying someone who outright rejects it or has became so liberal that they feel salaat isnt necessary and that we all have our own ways of praying etc etc.

That is what I mentioned few times above , a person praying on and off is doing a major sin , where as a Person who never prays , is out of Islam. Remember , prayer was not exempted even during jihad , one group of companions prayed others fought , then the next prayed the earlier fought.

Not only that if you cannot pray standing , you can do sitting , if not then lying down , but its not exempted . If you do not have water for ablution , do tayamum or even sick do tayamum.

All these factors indicate the importance of salah.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Some ridiculous posts in this thread.

Going by some people's logic I am already damned by them because Allah has given them the power to judge "Kaafirs".

The Prophet wasn't given such a power, but they have been truly blessed.

On topic, I would marry anyone who makes me closer to Islam, whether she prays or not.

 

[sweep_shot]

Moderators have added poll. Good.

Voted "No".

 

[MenInG]

If the Muslim man doesnt pray, he has no right to expect same from his wife either.

 

[Hasan]

Praying is not the outcome of being a good human but only a stepping stone towards that objective.

The killers of Imam Hussain offered their prayers before murdering the family of the Prophet. Those prayers will be a heavy burden around their necks!

 

[shaz619]

Prayer is great but not everyone seems to benefit from it when it comes to their actions. Beyond that with regards to the OP someone who has a value for faith would be good, I know there are plenty of faithless men who like pimpin their wives though but that's their choice

 

[JaDed]

It's not really that important to me, I've dated a girl who used to pray and fast. I thought about marrying her, so oneday we decided to break our fast together, before azan when she was speaking her breath smelled so bad that I had to dump her after breaking my fast Alhamdullilah

She married my best friend and became a Disco Deewane

FC, Suleiman, Ashraful from each of the nations baiting with their trolling lol

 

[Justcrazy]

Some ridiculous posts in this thread.

Going by some people's logic I am already damned by them because Allah has given them the power to judge "Kaafirs".

The Prophet wasn't given such a power, but they have been truly blessed.

On topic, I would marry anyone who makes me closer to Islam, whether she prays or not.

Allah SWT has mentioned things in the Quran , for example, if a person associates partners with him will be in hell.

Now either we believe in The Quran or do not, there is no middle ground. Allah swt will judge the people who are " Muslims " in the book of Allah , not in the book of people.

 

[Justcrazy]

Praying is not the outcome of being a good human but only a stepping stone towards that objective.

The killers of Imam Hussain offered their prayers before murdering the family of the Prophet. Those prayers will be a heavy burden around their necks!

Praying does not guarantee Paradise , but not praying does , punishment. Allah swt says in Quran if a person Murders a Muslim , without any reason , will be in Hell Forever , let alone family of the prophet.