Rate Virat Kohli's impact in Test cricket as a batter

[Mamoon]

His fandom mainly came for his loi batting.

Yes but the question is, does a player deserve to be one of the biggest superstars in the history of the sport when he is not good enough to be counted amongst the Test legends? Surely not. This is why he is lucky.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli is not worthy of the fandom, stardom and wealth that he has enjoyed given his ordinary Test credentials.

He is arguably the luckiest cricketer in history. His stature and reputation are far better than his talent and skill.

It is a learning for his fans or those who were his fanboys in past that until a player truly delivers the performance of the calibre of the greats for a long period of time, he should not be glorified and worshipped. Kohli doesn’t deserve the stature and reputation which Pakistanis on this forum gave to him over the last decade or so for whatever be the reasons behind it.

 

[Fanboy375]

Kohli is not worthy of the fandom, stardom and wealth that he has enjoyed given his ordinary Test credentials.

He is arguably the luckiest cricketer in history. His stature and reputation are far better than his talent and skill.

Imagine he being born in Aus or SA

 

[Cricket Warrior]

zero Impact and 100% arrogance on the field

 

[FearlessRoar]

Michael Clarke during a conversation on a podcast:

“At certain stages in the series, you saw Kohli defend the balls that he's nicking. He’s pushing at it, and you saw him make a 100. Sometimes, we see our deficiencies more than our strengths. This guy is a one-of-a-kind player. He needs to keep believing that. I don’t think he needs to let that ball go; if he intends to score, he should keep going.”

“Sachin is a very different player from Virat Kohli; I saw many people ask Kohli to replicate what Sachin did in Sydney by letting the ball go outside off stump. Virat’s greatest strength is bat on ball; bat on ball is fine. Playing the ball is his strength; he should be looking to get closer to the ball. Get your foot close to the ball and your head close to the ball.”

“I think he needs to go. I have to be sharp on my feet, and I have to have more intent and confidence. Mate, it is Virat Kohli. He can walk out and make a 200 tomorrow. If someone is silly enough to write Kohli off, more fool them. If he retires from Test cricket right now, only India will lose out.”

“If I was captain of any team with Kohli, I’d be fighting to keep him in the team. That guy is a once-in-a-generation player; I would definitely keep him.”

 

[jnaveen1980]

Michael Clarke during a conversation on a podcast:

“At certain stages in the series, you saw Kohli defend the balls that he's nicking. He’s pushing at it, and you saw him make a 100. Sometimes, we see our deficiencies more than our strengths. This guy is a one-of-a-kind player. He needs to keep believing that. I don’t think he needs to let that ball go; if he intends to score, he should keep going.”

“Sachin is a very different player from Virat Kohli; I saw many people ask Kohli to replicate what Sachin did in Sydney by letting the ball go outside off stump. Virat’s greatest strength is bat on ball; bat on ball is fine. Playing the ball is his strength; he should be looking to get closer to the ball. Get your foot close to the ball and your head close to the ball.”

“I think he needs to go. I have to be sharp on my feet, and I have to have more intent and confidence. Mate, it is Virat Kohli. He can walk out and make a 200 tomorrow. If someone is silly enough to write Kohli off, more fool them. If he retires from Test cricket right now, only India will lose out.”

“If I was captain of any team with Kohli, I’d be fighting to keep him in the team. That guy is a once-in-a-generation player; I would definitely keep him.”

Clarke must be too drunk to say this lol No team will keep a batsman averaging 30 in the lat 5 years.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Most times scoring centuries for India in Tests when nobody else scored even a fifty:

6 - Sachin Tendulkar
5 - Virat Kohli
4 - Rahul Dravid
2 - Gundappa Viswanath
2 - Dilip Vengsarkar
2 - Mohammad Azharuddin
2 - Virender Sehwag
2 - Yuvraj Singh
2 - Cheteshwar Pujara

 

[Champ_Pal]

At this point in his career, Kohli is even behind Sehwag as a Test batsman.

Kohli has lost it. Though he may be talented than Sehwag, Kohli's weakness to meddle with deliveries wide outside the off stump has completely pulled him down.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Virat Kohli held the top spot as the leading batter in Test cricket for approximately 13 months before slipping to second in the ICC Test rankings in 2019.

In the years that followed, his ranking continued to decline, reaching the lowest point of his career in nearly 12 years after the series against Australia.

After missing the home Test series against England in 2024, combined with underwhelming performances in the Bangladesh and New Zealand home series last year, Kohli fell to 22nd in the ICC Test rankings, his lowest position since 2014.

Following a disappointing run in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, Kohli has now dropped to 27th in the ICC Test rankings, marking his first time outside the top 25 since December 2012.

 

[jnaveen1980]

At this point in his career, Kohli is even behind Sehwag as a Test batsman.

Kohli has lost it. Though he may be talented than Sehwag, Kohli's weakness to meddle with deliveries wide outside the off stump has completely pulled him down.

I don't htink he is anywhere close to Sehwag when it comes to natural talent. Sehwag never made all these technical changes in his career. He had great sense of picking the length something Kohli lost it very quickly. He goes on the frontfoot to balls that you should be played on backfoot and vice versa. That means he is not picking the length well.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Speaking on a local sports media outlet's podcast, Manjrekar emphasized the importance of Virat Kohli gaining valuable red-ball practice in English conditions ahead of the upcoming Test matches:

“Kohli needs to play a lot of red-ball cricket. The first Test in England is in June, while the County Championship begins in April. He could join a county team, like Pujara did, and gain valuable match practice."

“India can then evaluate his performances in the initial Test matches. If there are positive signs, he can continue. But the last thing you want is Kohli going there and struggling, as we’ve seen before. That wouldn’t be good for Indian cricket. Playing County cricket could be a very sensible move for him."

 

[starpain]

This is the top 5 batsman in cricket. The way Kohli dominate in Australia no other batsman has done it that's why he is my number 5.

Aus Ka Boss, King Kohli averages mighty 43 against Australia and 46 away which surprisingly is lesser than Pujara who averages more against Australia both home and away.

But sure my boy King Kohli impactful runs against Australia makes him one of the GOATs of Test Cricket .

 

[starpain]

 

[sweep_shot]

Speaking on a local sports media outlet's podcast, Manjrekar emphasized the importance of Virat Kohli gaining valuable red-ball practice in English conditions ahead of the upcoming Test matches:

“Kohli needs to play a lot of red-ball cricket. The first Test in England is in June, while the County Championship begins in April. He could join a county team, like Pujara did, and gain valuable match practice."

“India can then evaluate his performances in the initial Test matches. If there are positive signs, he can continue. But the last thing you want is Kohli going there and struggling, as we’ve seen before. That wouldn’t be good for Indian cricket. Playing County cricket could be a very sensible move for him."

Will India let SENA players play in Ranji trophy before a home series?

It seems like India just want to take but don't give much back.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Speaking on a local sports media outlet's podcast, Manjrekar emphasized the importance of Virat Kohli gaining valuable red-ball practice in English conditions ahead of the upcoming Test matches:

“Kohli needs to play a lot of red-ball cricket. The first Test in England is in June, while the County Championship begins in April. He could join a county team, like Pujara did, and gain valuable match practice."

“India can then evaluate his performances in the initial Test matches. If there are positive signs, he can continue. But the last thing you want is Kohli going there and struggling, as we’ve seen before. That wouldn’t be good for Indian cricket. Playing County cricket could be a very sensible move for him."

So Sanjay wants virat to be a leach and coach the blood of Indian team for a couple of more seasons...LOL

Virat should just retire now... He is history

 

[Romali_rotti]

Age is zero excuse for Kohlis decline. He's fit as a fiddle. He's clearly been cutting corners in the nets in the past 4 years and it's showing in his output. When you have a family and kids, you obviously cannot devote the same kind of time and energy to your practice drills in the nets as you did when you were single or if you didn't have kids. If previously you used to work 12-15 hours a day in your job when you were single or without kids, you will have to compromise and cut down your hours to 8-9 when you have kids.

Great post.

Not only the net sessions, heard he has not played a single FC match over the last 5 years.

SRT was still playing FC even into his mid 30s, practice and perseverance makes you the better player, you have to keep sharpening the tools in the shed till you cant no more.

The results are there for all to see, he has sucked for the last 4-5 years.


This clown feels he is too entitled, heck he doesn't even travel with the Indian team, he flies in his own private jet.


This downfall couldn't have happened to a nicer individual

 

[Romali_rotti]

Michael Clarke during a conversation on a podcast:

“At certain stages in the series, you saw Kohli defend the balls that he's nicking. He’s pushing at it, and you saw him make a 100. Sometimes, we see our deficiencies more than our strengths. This guy is a one-of-a-kind player. He needs to keep believing that. I don’t think he needs to let that ball go; if he intends to score, he should keep going.”

“Sachin is a very different player from Virat Kohli; I saw many people ask Kohli to replicate what Sachin did in Sydney by letting the ball go outside off stump. Virat’s greatest strength is bat on ball; bat on ball is fine. Playing the ball is his strength; he should be looking to get closer to the ball. Get your foot close to the ball and your head close to the ball.”

“I think he needs to go. I have to be sharp on my feet, and I have to have more intent and confidence. Mate, it is Virat Kohli. He can walk out and make a 200 tomorrow. If someone is silly enough to write Kohli off, more fool them. If he retires from Test cricket right now, only India will lose out.”

“If I was captain of any team with Kohli, I’d be fighting to keep him in the team. That guy is a once-in-a-generation player; I would definitely keep him.”

I see what you did there Clarkey.

You want Goalee to be in the side so India is essentially playing with 1 less batsmen in the playing 11...

 

[starpain]

I don’t usually like the word impact.

But Jadeja was as useful with bat as Kohli in his Test career.

Unlike Kohli, Jadeja rarely failed as a batter or batted like a tailender when he was out of touch.

 

[Obaidd]

Champion cricketer leaving test cricket with incomplete legacy.

No 10k, no 50+ avg = very good = not great in Tests.

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

Champion cricketer leaving test cricket with incomplete legacy.

No 10k, no 50+ avg = very good = not great in Tests.

Yup. Agree with that assessment. Very good, not great. Hashim Amla would be closest contemporary. Exact same numbers.

 

[Golu-momin]

Why are you acting average of 46 is bad and no one calls him ATG. He is rated fairly as India don't have dozen of batsmen averaging over 50. I got your point he was very inconsistent but when he scored runs, he usually helped India get over the line with the win.

Which country has dozen of batsman aversion 50+?
Still kohli as test batsman greater than any Pakistani batsman ever existed or in near future before their team gets buried

 

[kron]

Bro I didn't even read properly until just now. He didn't just say YK. He also added YK, Yousaf and Inzi .

Allah ho akbar. Laxman and kohli > These 3

Yousuf was a bit of a stat padder wasn’t he? Don’t think he was better than kohli

Younis definitely is better.
Inzi is a tough one.

The thing is Virat played all 3 formats. If he neglected say t20 or odi like joe root/smith did, could it be possible that Virat may have averaged higher?

His technique is still flawed so my guess is not my much.

Don’t recall Inzi with great knocks vs Aus or SA away from home tbh.

But talent wise Inzi was by far the best. He was way better than kohli but I still believe he dint reach his full ceiling.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kohli is ahead of Inzi and Yousuf but behind Younis.

His average and centuries vs the big bous both home and away are way superior to what Inzi and Yousuf did.

Kohli has 12 centuries in SENA to 5 and 4 for Inzi and Yousuf also they played on placid tracks compared to Kohli.

 

[AZulfi]

During Kohli's purple patch in Tests, 2016-18, I thought he would easily reach 11-12,000 test runs.

However, post-2019, his form declined sharply, particularly his struggles with the wobble ball. He had an obvious vulnerability to balls delivered outside his off-stump, leading to frequent dismissals in slips, particularly against the moving ball.

Several factors may have contributed to this: challenging Indian home pitches, mental and physical fatigue, and a potential decline in hand-eye coordination.

His final test average of 46.85 represents a steep fall from his earlier peak averages

 

[mominsaigol]

Yousuf was a bit of a stat padder wasn’t he? Don’t think he was better than kohli

Younis definitely is better.
Inzi is a tough one.

The thing is Virat played all 3 formats. If he neglected say t20 or odi like joe root/smith did, could it be possible that Virat may have averaged higher?

His technique is still flawed so my guess is not my much.

Don’t recall Inzi with great knocks vs Aus or SA away from home tbh.

But talent wise Inzi was by far the best. He was way better than kohli but I still believe he dint reach his full ceiling.

Kohli avg 46, amd avg 27-29 for 6 years. He had 2-3 purple patch series where he avg 55 and thats about it.

Nothing implies that he is > Inzi or yousaf other then crybaby Indians throwing a hissyfit

 

[Ab Fan]

He played a large number of games against tough opponents and tough conditions so he deserves brownie points for that.

Martin Crowe, Virat Kohli, Hashim Amla(for his prime) are some of the test players I would rate 2-3 higher than their actual averages.

 

[umerz]

Five years before he retired, he was an excellent test batsman on his way to becoming one of the all-time greats, but he finished his career with a status somewhere between excellent and very good

 

[kron]

Kohli avg 46, amd avg 27-29 for 6 years. He had 2-3 purple patch series where he avg 55 and thats about it.

Nothing implies that he is > Inzi or yousaf other then crybaby Indians throwing a hissyfit

I don’t rate kohli at all. But it’s pretty close tbh. Inzi and Yousuf dint play t20 as well along with odi and tests.

But technique wise I would say kohli at his peak was better than both. Consistency wise the latter were better.

 

[kron]

Kohli avg 46, amd avg 27-29 for 6 years. He had 2-3 purple patch series where he avg 55 and thats about it.

Nothing implies that he is > Inzi or yousaf other then crybaby Indians throwing a hissyfit

That is a huge black mark tbh. That 5 year patch of an average of 29. Because of that yes I reckon Yousuf above kohli.

Inzi was rubbish vs pace and bounce in Aus and SA. Hence I put kohli above him and of course no fault of Inzi but kohli overall was a better all format batsman you could say. So yea edge to kohli. But if people feel Inzi is better then sure I don’t have issues with it in tests. Depends on what pitch.

 

[Ab Fan]

That is a huge black mark tbh. That 5 year patch of an average of 29. Because of that yes I reckon Yousuf above kohli.

Inzi was rubbish vs pace and bounce in Aus and SA. Hence I put kohli above him and of course no fault of Inzi but kohli overall was a better all format batsman you could say. So yea edge to kohli. But if people feel Inzi is better then sure I don’t have issues with it in tests. Depends on what pitch.

Kohli is one of the best vs pace and bounce.

Look at stats below for visiting batsman:-

 

[Ab Fan]

That is a huge black mark tbh. That 5 year patch of an average of 29. Because of that yes I reckon Yousuf above kohli.

Inzi was rubbish vs pace and bounce in Aus and SA. Hence I put kohli above him and of course no fault of Inzi but kohli overall was a better all format batsman you could say. So yea edge to kohli. But if people feel Inzi is better then sure I don’t have issues with it in tests. Depends on what pitch.

Also look highly the likes of VVS Laxman and Virat Kohli are against pace and bounce. AB de Villiers also. Tendulkar and Lara at top which is no surprise.

 

[sweep_shot]

Kohli is an ODI great. Not a Test great.

His records in Test format are average.

 

[kron]

Kohli is an ODI great. Not a Test great.

His records in Test format are average.

Wouldn’t say average. At his peak he was up there with the best but yea not consistent enough

 

[kron]

Also look highly the likes of VVS Laxman and Virat Kohli are against pace and bounce. AB de Villiers also. Tendulkar and Lara at top which is no surprise.

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Yea that is impressive

Where is Yousuf in this?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sachin played in a tough era, while Inzi and Yousuf enjoyed a batting-friendly one. Joe Root thrived in an easy era for batting, but Kohli had to grind it out in a tough one. Can't you see how hypocritical some of these fans sound?

 

[Ab Fan]

Yea that is impressive

Where is Yousuf in this?

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I tried very hard finding his name but guess what I had to set a sample set of 500 runs and then also I couldn’t find Yousuf name in the first page.

Check the 2nd page, he is averaging 26 and is probably way beyond top 50 best Indo- Pak batsman vs pace. Kohli and VVS can be found quite high in comparison.

 

[mominsaigol]

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I tried very hard finding his name but guess what I had to set a sample set of 500 runs and then also I couldn’t find Yousuf name in the first page.

Check the 2nd page, he is averaging 26 and is probably way beyond top 50 best Indo- Pak batsman vs pace. Kohli and VVS can be found quite high in comparison.

Let me ask again.

What does yousaf avg, and what does Laxman avg. All these wannabee Buffet's and his chamchei.

Only a mad man would compare a 52 avg batter who has more centuries and just 1K runs less in 90 games and place him lower then a 45 avg clown with 17 centuries and only 1K extra runs despite playing 40+ more test games then Yousaf.

These arguments would only make sense if Laxman was an opener and then the discussion would shift, but he was a failure of an opener and a no 3. Useless worthless 25 avg.

You once placed Laxman > YK which literally shows your knowledge.

Anyone can endlessly filter stats Guru lol.

 

[kron]

Let me ask again.

What does yousaf avg, and what does Laxman avg. All these wannabee Buffet's and his chamchei.

Only a mad man would compare a 52 avg batter who has more centuries and just 1K runs less in 90 games and place him lower then a 45 avg clown with 17 centuries and only 1K extra runs despite playing 40+ more test games then Yousaf.

These arguments would only make sense if Laxman was an opener and then the discussion would shift, but he was a failure of an opener and a no 3. Useless worthless 25 avg.

You once placed Laxman > YK which literally shows your knowledge.

Anyone can endlessly filter stats Guru lol.

Younis>kohli>yusuf>inzi> laxman

Kohli had the best peak but crappiest decline

So you could swap kohli with yusuf too but I am hesitant because yusuf performance in Aus, SA and even in India wasn’t that good.

 

[Ab Fan]

There are many batters averaging 45-48 range who would be better than Yousuf in Tests:-

Martin Crowe
Virat Kohli
Hashim Amla
Kevin Pietersen
VVS Laxman

 

[Ab Fan]

You once placed Laxman > YK which literally shows your knowledge.

Anyone can endlessly filter stats Guru lol.

No need to make Buffet some kind of benchmark. Everyone is capable enough to access stats and use it for insights.

No, I never put VVS > YK but yeah VVS> Yousuf for me. Maybe it was some other poster but not me.

 

[Ab Fan]

Younis>kohli>yusuf>inzi> laxman

Kohli had the best peak but crappiest decline

So you could swap kohli with yusuf too but I am hesitant because yusuf performance in Aus, SA and even in India wasn’t that good.

1. Younis
2. Kohli
3. Inzy
4. VVS
5. Laxman

Inzy was better than Yousuf. Anyone who watched test cricket in 90s and 00s know this. Yousuf was more style than substance. Yousuf was poor in SL too and his home pitches when he played were really flat.

 

[Ab Fan]

Sachin played in a tough era, while Inzi and Yousuf enjoyed a batting-friendly one. Joe Root thrived in an easy era for batting, but Kohli had to grind it out in a tough one. Can't you see how hypocritical some of these fans sound?

1990s - Tough era of batting ( Sachin and Inzy played and opposition had the likes of McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock etc)

2000s - Flat pitches and great era for batting( Sachin, Inzy, Yousuf all were in this era)

2010s and beyond - Root and Kohli belong to this era but Kohli’s home pitches were spin friendly and SENA teams also produced more bowler friendly pitches to return favour to Indian team hence overall the pitches were bowling friendly. Root mostly had the balanced pitches like you get in England and the pitches weren’t at extremes in Australia or India or SA when England were touring team either( except 2021 series in India)

Overall conclusion:-

Sachin - Flat pitches in 00s and relatively bowling friendly pitches ( and quality attacks) in 90s so overall balanced pitches

Inzy - Same overall balanced pitches

Yousuf - Flat pitches in 00s

Root - Balanced pitches England played throughout

Kohli - More Bowling friendly pitches

 

[kron]

1990s - Tough era of batting ( Sachin and Inzy played and opposition had the likes of McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock etc)

2000s - Flat pitches and great era for batting( Sachin, Inzy, Yousuf all were in this era)

2010s and beyond - Root and Kohli belong to this era but Kohli’s home pitches were spin friendly and SENA teams also produced more bowler friendly pitches to return favour to Indian team hence overall the pitches were bowling friendly. Root mostly had the balanced pitches like you get in England and the pitches weren’t at extremes in Australia or India or SA when England were touring team either( except 2021 series in India)

Overall conclusion:-

Sachin - Flat pitches in 00s and relatively bowling friendly pitches ( and quality attacks) in 90s so overall balanced pitches

Inzy - Same overall balanced pitches

Yousuf - Flat pitches in 00s

Root - Balanced pitches England played throughout

Kohli - More Bowling friendly pitches

One thing I will say is if kohli neglected t20 like root etc and played less odi

Could he not have averaged higher in his peak or even post peak?

Not saying he is better than root or not but in some conditions kohli definitely is better anyway. I personally don’t even like kohli btw.

In seaming tracks with swing on offer root anyday over kohli

On turning tracks I would say root again

Vs pace and bounce kohli is definitely better. Both are good on flatties but I would say kohli maybe slightly better at his peak on flatties

 

[Ab Fan]

One thing I will say is if kohli neglected t20 like root etc and played less odi

Could he not have averaged higher in his peak or even post peak?

Not saying he is better than root or not but in some conditions kohli definitely is better anyway. I personally don’t even like kohli btw.

In seaming tracks with swing on offer root anyday over kohli

On turning tracks I would say root again

Vs pace and bounce kohli is definitely better. Both are good on flatties but I would say kohli maybe slightly better at his peak on flatties

Root is better undoubtedly in Tests. I created a top 50 test cricketer in other post and Root is up at 12-13 while Kohli was around 30. Kohli’s decline coincided with bowling friendly pitches which is why his decline looks really bad.

 

[Technics 1210]

Kohli is revered more outside of India, than in, across all formats.

Kohli has Character, Personality, Charisma, and a fire that many simply do not have, especially Temu Teenda.

A nation that is brainwashed with IPL, fair & lovely adverts, binary binary cheer leaders, can never appreciate Test cricket.

Perhaps why Kohli bailed on SupaPuwa India to settle in London, Notting Hill.

Crazy, even the non cult Indians are bailing 'Incredible' India.

 

[charlie007]

Kohli’s rise and decline were both spectacular. He averaged over 55 at the 81 Test mark - that’s a pretty awesome performance by any means. His decline was so spectacular that his average came down to about 47!! In his first 70-75% of his career, he performed like a champion. He created an awe around him. Commentators from all countries spoke very glowingly about him. From an overall career perspective he ended up being just “very good”, but in his peak years he was churning out ATG performances.

People have beaten him up for the big slump in the last 5 years of his Test career, and rightly so, but nobody can take away what he did in the years he was shining bright.
He had an aura around him. He brought eyeballs to the game from non-Indians too, people wanted to watch him, he brought passion, fan following (often unwanted craziness from fans), and equally importantly, sponsors to finance cricket. He made people opinionated - there was nobody on the fence; either you liked Kohli or you hated Kohli. His own opinion mattered; people caught on to his words to make Test cricket relevant.
In my personal opinion, Kohli ended as a very good Test batter overall, but his impact on Test cricket was absolutely ATG level without a doubt. With Test cricket losing appeal, he was one player everyone looked up to for keeping it relevant and he greatly led that battle to keep the flame burning and inspiring the next generation.

 

[mominsaigol]

No need to make Buffet some kind of benchmark. Everyone is capable enough to access stats and use it for insights.

No, I never put VVS > YK but yeah VVS> Yousuf for me. Maybe it was some other poster but not me.

Lies, biggest liar of all time. @Ice Man @sweep_shot @TheSultan @Wasim Ghulam @Narayana59

This is why I on the clown gang. They keep calling me a liar, but I always have evidence.

You never put vvs > Yk? Hahahahahahahahhaha





Liar, you are @Ab Fan all indians are liars

 

[mominsaigol]

Lies, biggest liar of all time. @Ice Man @sweep_shot @TheSultan @Wasim Ghulam @Narayana59

This is why I on the clown gang. They keep calling me a liar, but I always have evidence.

You never put vvs > Yk? Hahahahahahahahhaha


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Liar, you are @Ab Fan all indians are liars

@Obaidd @RidiculousMan

I never put VVS > Younis

 

[mominsaigol]

@Obaidd @RidiculousMan

I never put VVS > Younis

Lies, biggest liar of all time. @Ice Man @sweep_shot @TheSultan @Wasim Ghulam @Narayana59

This is why I on the clown gang. They keep calling me a liar, but I always have evidence.

You never put vvs > Yk? Hahahahahahahahhaha


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Liar, you are @Ab Fan all indians are liars

@kron These are you fellow Indian posters dawg? Atleast teach them how to speak the truth

 

[mominsaigol]

1. Younis
2. Kohli
3. Inzy
4. VVS
5. Laxman

Inzy was better than Yousuf. Anyone who watched test cricket in 90s and 00s know this. Yousuf was more style than substance. Yousuf was poor in SL too and his home pitches when he played were really flat.

Lmaoooooooo, hahahahahahaha. What a cover up.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Kohli’s rise and decline were both spectacular. He averaged over 55 at the 81 Test mark - that’s a pretty awesome performance by any means. His decline was so spectacular that his average came down to about 47!! In his first 70-75% of his career, he performed like a champion. He created an awe around him. Commentators from all countries spoke very glowingly about him. From an overall career perspective he ended up being just “very good”, but in his peak years he was churning out ATG performances.

People have beaten him up for the big slump in the last 5 years of his Test career, and rightly so, but nobody can take away what he did in the years he was shining bright.
He had an aura around him. He brought eyeballs to the game from non-Indians too, people wanted to watch him, he brought passion, fan following (often unwanted craziness from fans), and equally importantly, sponsors to finance cricket. He made people opinionated - there was nobody on the fence; either you liked Kohli or you hated Kohli. His own opinion mattered; people caught on to his words to make Test cricket relevant.
In my personal opinion, Kohli ended as a very good Test batter overall, but his impact on Test cricket was absolutely ATG level without a doubt. With Test cricket losing appeal, he was one player everyone looked up to for keeping it relevant and he greatly led that battle to keep the flame burning and inspiring the next generation.

Great post. A bit flowery at times with the praise but overall I agree..when Kohli was at his peak he was truly excellent.

 

[mominsaigol]

Btw I already know what @Ab Fan will say.

He will use semantics and will claim impact =/= being better .

Ironic coming from a guy who said this, YK IS A MEDICORE BATTER SIR I NEVER PUT LAXMAN > YK

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Btw I already know what @Ab Fan will say.

He will use semantics and will claim impact =/= being better .

Ironic coming from a guy who said this, YK IS A MEDICORE BATTER SIR I NEVER PUT LAXMAN > YK

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Impact argument is another nonsense one from Indians.

Younis has a great record with tons in winning causes and tons away from home in win matches.

No matter what Indians say.

Tendus tons were mainly impactless. He mainly has match winning knocks against Bangladesh away from home.

Indians will change the meaning of impact and suddenly home runs will start to count.

Their sole use of statsguru is to bash Pakistan players.

 

[charlie007]

Great post. A bit flowery at times with the praise but overall I agree..when Kohli was at his peak he was truly excellent.

Hahaha, it’s true though. What part do you not agree with?
I’m not a perfectionist and will see the class in players regardless of their nationalities. You will hardly find me beating up on players, especially if they have had a few very good years. I do give it back in troll kind to people who are trolling

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Hahaha, it’s true though. What part do you not agree with?
I’m not a perfectionist and will see the class in players regardless of their nationalities. You will hardly find me beating up on players, especially if they have had a few very good years. I do give it back in troll kind to people who are trolling

The part about him keeping test cricket relevant.

I think it was great that a legend of the game still wanted to play test cricket but don't think he had as much impact and you think on that particular point. Marketers really milked his image so it may have felt like that he was the only thing going in tests cricket at time.

But overall I think you have summed up his legacy well and if you factor in his captaincy too then for sure he can be included amongst the greats of the format.

I personally tend to bump up ratings of captains a bit, as they are responsible for shaping the identity of the team, and in Kohlis case there is no doubt he shaped India into a powerhouse.

 

[Obaidd]

@Obaidd @RidiculousMan

I never put VVS > Younis

Haha it can happen tbf. Everybody ends up making contradictory claims while making arguments.

I like the poster

 

[mominsaigol]

Haha it can happen tbf. Everybody ends up making contradictory claims while making arguments.

I like the poster

Mate, he already knows this . I have reminded him of this claim numerous times and he's denied it.

I take ss of everything related to these guys. Everyone knows I am literally their cctv. They should just roll over and give up when I claim something about them that occurred in the past.

 

[charlie007]

The part about him keeping test cricket relevant.

I think it was great that a legend of the game still wanted to play test cricket but don't think he had as much impact and you think on that particular point. Marketers really milked his image so it may have felt like that he was the only thing going in tests cricket at time.

But overall I think you have summed up his legacy well and if you factor in his captaincy too then for sure he can be included amongst the greats of the format.

I personally tend to bump up ratings of captains a bit, as they are responsible for shaping the identity of the team, and in Kohlis case there is no doubt he shaped India into a powerhouse.

Although marketers are important because money is absolutely necessary to keep Test cricket going and relevant, I was talking about past cricket greats who have spoken about Kohli, and not just during India Tests, but Tests between other nations too. They talk about how his support has been instrumental in inspiring the younger generation in remaining interested in Test cricket and keeping its significance in mind. There is even a full long interview with, I believe it was Mark Taylor, on this. There have been Ponting, Clarke, and Sanga talking about his influence on Test cricket. There have been so many tweets flowing too on the same topic.

People get massively influenced by superstars (see how companies pay millions to celebrities to endorse their products). But there was no marketer that paid Kohli to create advertisements for Test cricket; he was doing it for free because he loved playing Test cricket and said so too many times. Kohli was a global superstar and his opinion is bound to have swayed a few players into giving Test cricket its well deserved due. Even in his retirement speech, he said how he placed Test cricket a full five levels above everything else! It is on this premise that I said he was impactful.

 

[Obaidd]

Although marketers are important because money is absolutely necessary to keep Test cricket going and relevant, I was talking about past cricket greats who have spoken about Kohli, and not just during India Tests, but Tests between other nations too. They talk about how his support has been instrumental in inspiring the younger generation in remaining interested in Test cricket and keeping its significance in mind. There is even a full long interview with, I believe it was Mark Taylor, on this. There have been Ponting, Clarke, and Sanga talking about his influence on Test cricket. There have been so many tweets flowing too on the same topic.
People get massively influenced by superstars (see how companies pay millions to celebrities to endorse their products). But there was no marketer that paid Kohli to create advertisements for Test cricket; he was doing it for free because he loved playing Test cricket and said so too many times. Kohli was a global superstar and his opinion is bound to have swayed a few players into giving Test cricket its well deserved due. Even in his retirement speech, he said how he placed Test cricket a full five levels above everything else! It is on this premise that I said he was impactful.

Which is why I believe Kohli should have stayed around to compete his 10k runs. His legacy could have been greater and Ind cricket would have benefited from having a 4th member in 10k club.

For example, Pujara was until recently available for selection.

 

[charlie007]

Which is why I believe Kohli should have stayed around to compete his 10k runs. His legacy could have been greater and Ind cricket would have benefited from having a 4th member in 10k club.

For example, Pujara was until recently available for selection.

He wasn't delivering in the last 5 years, he probably would have damaged his legacy even more than he already did. Imagine going down from 55+ average after 81 Tests to ~47 when he retired. He went down from an ATG to "very good" batting wise in Test cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

Which is why I believe Kohli should have stayed around to compete his 10k runs. His legacy could have been greater and Ind cricket would have benefited from having a 4th member in 10k club.

For example, Pujara was until recently available for selection.

He was 800+ runs away from reaching that number. Assuming a trend of 27Avg per series, it would have taken him 15 more tests to get to this figure but his avg would take a further hit to 44.

He'd be the only member of the 10K club to have an avg of below 50 excluding cook who got away with it due to being an opener + having a dream away Ashes run.

Kohli would have proven to the world that anyone can reach the 10K club as long as they play a certain no of matches.

The 10K club is exclusive as it includes 50+ avg batters on this list. Not cause its only 10K

 

[mominsaigol]

Mahela is another who is below 50, but he's at 49 which is close enough

 

[Savak]

His stock should come down given his massive decline. He was once averaging 54 in test cricket at the start of 2020, for him to fail to address his decline and for his batting average to fall to 46 should take away any legendary status because truly great players are able to maintain standards and address poor form or technical issues swiftly.

The fact that the Australians were able to easily set him up outside the offstump on the Australian tour and Kohli failed to show any resilience, discipline to reign himself for chasing the ball on, outside offstump should reduce his all time great stock. He is not a patch on Tendulkar who showed remarkable restraint, patience by not driving a single ball on the off side when the Australians had got him out driving many times on the 2003 tour to Australia.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kohli is definitely above the likes of Yousuf, Inzi and Mahela. There is no comparison when it comes to performance against bug teams and away conditions.

The same posters who want to argue that 2000s was the easiest decade for batting are not applying the same principle here.

Inzi, Yousuf, Mahela have a better average because they have stat padded in flat conditions.

Kohli has 12 centuries in Sena, Inzi has 5 and Yousuf 4. Mahela is probably the biggest home track bully I have seen.

 

[Hitman]

His stock should come down given his massive decline. He was once averaging 54 in test cricket at the start of 2020, for him to fail to address his decline and for his batting average to fall to 46 should take away any legendary status because truly great players are able to maintain standards and address poor form or technical issues swiftly.

The fact that the Australians were able to easily set him up outside the offstump on the Australian tour and Kohli failed to show any resilience, discipline to reign himself for chasing the ball on, outside offstump should reduce his all time great stock. He is not a patch on Tendulkar who showed remarkable restraint, patience by not driving a single ball on the off side when the Australians had got him out driving many times on the 2003 tour to Australia.

Up until I saw Kohli's decline, I thought Ponting's decline was the worst I ever saw among all great batsman when his average dropped from just a shade below 60 in 2006 to just a shade below 52 at his retirement.

Kohli went from 55 odd to just a shade below 47.​

 

[Ab Fan]

As far as Kohli vs YK is concerned, I have said multiple times that I rate YK higher. However, the difference isn’t much. So, if someone says they rate Kohli higher it is fine too. Just look at the impact Kohli has in SENA compared to Younis. Kohli’s average is hurt due to playing so many games in SENA while Younis did skipped games overseas around 2010.

However, one thing is sure that each of Kohli, Younis and VVS Laxman are 100 times a better batsman than that overrated hack tullyabaaz Travis Head lol who has only one mental fan all over the world

 

[Hitman]

As far as Kohli vs YK is concerned, I have said multiple times that I rate YK higher. However, the difference isn’t much. So, if someone says they rate Kohli higher it is fine too. Just look at the impact Kohli has in SENA compared to Younis. Kohli’s average is hurt due to playing so many games in SENA while Younis did skipped games overseas around 2010.

However, one thing is sure that each of Kohli, Younis and VVS Laxman are 100 times a better batsman than that overrated hack tullyabaaz Travis Head lol who has only one mental fan all over the world

Kohli, Younis and VVS are all retired from Tests. Travis Head is just 31. He has plenty of time left. A lot of things can happen in the next 6 years. Remember what happened to Kohli in his last 6 years?

 

[Sachin fan]

Which is why I believe Kohli should have stayed around to compete his 10k runs. His legacy could have been greater and Ind cricket would have benefited from having a 4th member in 10k club.

For example, Pujara was until recently available for selection.

Pretty sure he was also asked to leave by the Indian management and it was not completely voluntary.

 

[kron]

As far as Kohli vs YK is concerned, I have said multiple times that I rate YK higher. However, the difference isn’t much. So, if someone says they rate Kohli higher it is fine too. Just look at the impact Kohli has in SENA compared to Younis. Kohli’s average is hurt due to playing so many games in SENA while Younis did skipped games overseas around 2010.

However, one thing is sure that each of Kohli, Younis and VVS Laxman are 100 times a better batsman than that overrated hack tullyabaaz Travis Head lol who has only one mental fan all over the world

He is not a hack.
Head is a very good player.
Impact player. But yes he has flaws that can be exploited. But very thin margin of error. You get it wrong and he will punish you hard no matter who the bowler is.

You don’t smash England India and SA if you aren’t a good player

Although his away stats are supinely a bit underwhelming. He has still had impact knocks in wins though

 

[mominsaigol]

He is not a hack.
Head is a very good player.
Impact player. But yes he has flaws that can be exploited. But very thin margin of error. You get it wrong and he will punish you hard no matter who the bowler is.

You don’t smash England India and SA if you aren’t a good player

Although his away stats are supinely a bit underwhelming. He has still had impact knocks in wins though

Why trust a poster like @Ab Fan who cant even stick to one opinion.

Was stating Laxman > Kohli > YK 8 months ago and now doing a switch.

Does he even know what he is arguing?

 

[Ab Fan]

He is not a hack.
Head is a very good player.
Impact player. But yes he has flaws that can be exploited. But very thin margin of error. You get it wrong and he will punish you hard no matter who the bowler is.

You don’t smash England India and SA if you aren’t a good player

Although his away stats are supinely a bit underwhelming. He has still had impact knocks in wins though

Yeah but not comparable to VVS who has performed vs McGrath and Warne and played clutch knocks in South Africa.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah but not comparable to VVS who has performed vs McGrath and Warne and played clutch knocks in South Africa.

Yes vvs laxman > Everyone including Younis Bro

 

[Obaidd]

Pretty sure he was also asked to leave by the Indian management and it was not completely voluntary.

Yes exactly, I feel so too. He had no reason to retire. He could have kept himself available for selection and stayed around.

It’s just 700-800 runs would have happened in time and as we keep hearing the word IMPACT, I’d say the impact of Kohli with 10k runs would have been greater for Ind cricket even if he got there with a ~46 avg

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes exactly, I feel so too. He had no reason to retire. He could have kept himself available for selection and stayed around.

It’s just 700-800 runs would have happened in time and as we keep hearing the word IMPACT, I’d say the impact of Kohli with 10k runs would have been greater for Ind cricket even if he got there with a ~46 avg

Kohli sticking around and getting 10K = *******izing what it even means to be a part of the 10K club.

Excluding cook who is an opener so it makes sense and even he had a dream Ashes run, name one player other then Mahela who is awfully close at 49, who reached 10K and didnt avg 50?

Getting to 10K cant just be match count related?

 

[Obaidd]

Kohli sticking around and getting 10K = *******izing what it even means to be a part of the 10K club.

Excluding cook who is an opener so it makes sense and even he had a dream Ashes run, name one player other then Mahela who is awfully close at 49, who reached 10K and didnt avg 50?

Getting to 10K cant just be match count related?

Yes cook showed you get there if you play long enough. I wanted to see Kohli there too maybe just a personal thing. Just as that’s what I wanted for Babar.

 

[Vikram1989]

The part about him keeping test cricket relevant.

I think it was great that a legend of the game still wanted to play test cricket but don't think he had as much impact and you think on that particular point. Marketers really milked his image so it may have felt like that he was the only thing going in tests cricket at time.

His impact in Indian Test arena is definitely a huge one.As dhoni is used have a note on his forehead "I dont care about test cricket especially in sena", it was very tough for any india test fanto have interest after 8-0 and multiple sena losses including a home loss.After his first test in official capacity, Kohli declared that he will bring a pace quartet and conquer aus in next tour .he did so for next 2 tours.he certainly revived indian pace department after criminal negligence of pacers by dhoni in test format.Imagine a clueless Rohit( in sena tests especially )after dhoni would had huge negative effect on Indian test future.

 

[Obaidd]

His impact in Indian Test arena is definitely a huge one.As dhoni is used have a note on his forehead "I dont care about test cricket especially in sena", it was very tough for any india test fanto have interest after 8-0 and multiple sena losses including a home loss.After his first test in official capacity, Kohli declared that he will bring a pace quartet and conquer aus in next tour .he did so for next 2 tours.he certainly revived indian pace department after criminal negligence of pacers by dhoni in test format.Imagine a clueless Rohit( in sena tests especially )after dhoni would had huge negative effect on Indian test future.

One thing I will add is that Ind cricket gets the respect it gets today is because of the series win down under.

His white balls achievements are huge but the real shine comes from the test wins against Aus in Aus. As a Pak fan, that’s what I respect the most.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes cook showed you get there if you play long enough. I wanted to see Kohli there too maybe just a personal thing. Just as that’s what I wanted for Babar.

But cook is an opener. No opener except sunny and hayden have ever avg 50 as an opener.

45 avg, 12K runs and overall a steller record of 44 to 55 in every country. He has only struggled in sa and NZ however during cook's time the seaming conditons made it a nightmare for any opener to survive in those 2 conditons. Most openers from cook's era avg 30 round about in said conditons.

He had a dream Ashes run, infact pretty sure root would want 5 centuries in aus just like cook lol.

He was a terrific opener and honestly should be considered an atg but people underrated him as he's below hayden, Sehwag, Gavaskar, Graeme Smith and many others.

Kohli is different. He started his career as a 47 avg batter and wasnt anything special. He was good but not atg. Then during his captaincy run he had a purple patch phase where he increased it to 55 before falling off at 46 due to avg 27 for 6 years.

In 6 years he only scored 3 centuries and one of them was one a flat track Perth where it was overall painful to watch as jaiswal did everything and Kohli crawled his way towards it.

Kohli's test career is a classic example of the worst fall off in history of test cricket.

Anyone else after scoring 27 centuries at an avg of 55, would have gone onto to score 40+ centuries in the next 6 years with a 50+ avg

 

[Vikram1989]

One thing I will add is that Ind cricket gets the respect it gets today is because of the series win down under.

His white balls achievements are huge but the real shine comes from the test wins against Aus in Aus. As a Pak fan, that’s what I respect the most.

Even his non chalance on tough spicy pitches( Johannesburg 2018) where sa and Elgar made a huge cry on pitch quality made a good advert for test cricket quality and attitude.

 

[Ab Fan]

One thing I will add is that Ind cricket gets the respect it gets today is because of the series win down under.

His white balls achievements are huge but the real shine comes from the test wins against Aus in Aus. As a Pak fan, that’s what I respect the most.

Yeah but he wasn’t there in that 2020 tour win, which came against the likes of Smith and Warner. His decline also started from there unfortunately.