Relations between Pakistanis and Indians 2019+

[KingKhanWC]

2019 has been a year where Pakistan and India relations have become worse.

In the past(since not remembering the wars) I tried not to dislike Indians and blamed politics for the poor relations. In a country with over a billion people it wasnt fair to generalise. Also knowing a lot of Indians growing up in the UK, there was no real issue.

This year India flew their jets into Pakistan and the immoral events in Kashmir by the Indian government relations seem to have taken a new low.

Indians openly supporting the brutality and Indians believing the lies of the government and hating on Pakistan has made me feel I cant trust Indians anymore. I have friends that are Indians in the UK but these chaps dont care about India, never visit and see themselves as British. I know other Indians who are patriotic and I dont respect them anymore but thankfully were never close friends.

Do Pakistani posters feel negative towards Indians now? Or nothing much has changed?

The same for Indian posters, do you feel more negative towards Pakistanis or the same as before?

Its sad to feel this way towards other people but sometimes you have to accept what you feel and imo Pakistanis have every right to feel negative towards Indians now due to their attitude and apologist defending of their extermist government.

Thoughts?

 

[Bhaijaan]

I cannot feel negative towards people I genuinely feel pity for.

Sub continent is home to a large population of world's poorest people who have been plundered, looted, discriminated against and cheated by invadors, colonialists, dictators and corrupt government's.

The issues between India and Pakistan exist only so that the forces in power can divert people's attention from the genuine issues of poverty, hunger, lack of development, good governance.

By nature Indians and Pakistanis are 99.99% identical if we can look beyond our hypocrisy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I cannot feel negative towards people I genuinely feel pity for.

Sub continent is home to a large population of world's poorest people who have been plundered, looted, discriminated against and cheated by invadors, colonialists, dictators and corrupt government's.

The issues between India and Pakistan exist only so that the forces in power can divert people's attention from the genuine issues of poverty, hunger, lack of development, good governance.

By nature Indians and Pakistanis are 99.99% identical if we can look beyond our hypocrisy.

No they are not. Pakistanis in general are open to self criticism and do not support oprression of others, India are the opposite.

I feel pity for all poor but its not my problem what is happening in India with poverty. People who support and defend extremits such as the BJP and it's policies cannot be trusted or befriended. I wouldn't even shake their hands.

 

[Knight_Rider]

True, Indians may be our blood brothers but majority of them (who i came across in west) are arrogant and full of themselves. For many its hard to get over the hatred towards Invaders...

 

[KingKhanWC]

True, Indians may be our blood brothers but majority of them (who i came across in west) are arrogant and full of themselves. For many its hard to get over the hatred towards Invaders...

Have you noticed those in the UK they dont act as they do in India? I mean even though they support the oppression in Kashmir ,they will be like mice here, quiet and keep it hidden inside.

 

[GBK_Fan]

My relations with the Pakistanis I know have remained the same. I went for a car wash and the kebab this weekend, the car was cleaned well and the kebab done well. No reason to complain for me

 

[Syed1]

My relations with the Pakistanis I know have remained the same. I went for a car wash and the kebab this weekend, the car was cleaned well and the kebab done well. No reason to complain for me

My experience of Indians isn't great... I took Uber recently and the driver was Gujarati barely spoke any English and stank of curry. I gave him a one star, only because giving zero star wasn't an option on the app

 

[sweep_shot]

In GTA (Greater Toronto Area), Indians and Pakistanis generally get along well but there are occasional frictions. Most are too busy with their own lives.

Kashmir issue probably riled things up a bit. Relationship was pretty friendly before Modi era.

 

[msb314]

My experience of Indians isn't great... I took Uber recently and the driver was Gujarati barely spoke any English and stank of curry. I gave him a one star, only because giving zero star wasn't an option on the app

Did you give him a one star because he stank of curry or did not speak English or (most importantly) did not get you to where you wanted to go on time?

 

[anand99]

As someone who is from tamlinadu and left India more than 30 years ago, I have not much in common with northern Indians much less pakistanis. My upbringing and culture is just drastically different for me to relate to the whole partition issue like maybe northern Indians do.

Having said that I don't have hatred or anger toward either. I am married to a Punjabi woman for 17 years and so have dealt with that culture even though I still find it crude. All bhangra songs sound the same to me. Haha

I have dated Pakistani girls in the US and almost married one but we broke up. Have many Pakistan friends from my college days.

One thing that may have made my experience easier is I don't care for any religion including Hinduism, so I didn't let that come in the way of my friendships. I am not a nationalist in general and more of a globalist. I have plenty of friends from China too and can speak fluent Mandarin and is a culture I really enjoy exploring.

It's all in your frame of mind who you do and don't get along with, issues not withstanding. Never make it personal.

 

[rhony]

In GTA (Greater Toronto Area), Indians and Pakistanis generally get along well but there are occasional frictions. Most are too busy with their own lives.

Kashmir issue probably riled things up a bit. Relationship was pretty friendly before Modi era.

People get along well in Chicago too. Kashmir is a hot topic with lots of debates and discussions, some heated ofcourse but at the end people have other important things to worry about like job or business and family.

 

[rhony]

My experience of Indians isn't great... I took Uber recently and the driver was Gujarati barely spoke any English and stank of curry. I gave him a one star, only because giving zero star wasn't an option on the app

I don't think he cares about the rating as long as he got your money. He probably is cursing you for a typical measly tip despite knowing the service was poor.

 

[anand99]

I don't think he cares about the rating as long as he got your money. He probably is cursing you for a typical measly tip despite knowing the service was poor.

This brings up an interesting experience I have had with Uber drivers who were Afghan. Many of them immediately get into the question of whether I am Pakistani or Indian. Once they find out where I am from, they launch into a tirade about Pakistan. Their gripe seems to be all about how their country is mostly ruined by Pakistan. They always have praise for India and claim to have many Indian friends who are very warm and welcoming. One guy even told me he had been to Chennai and was going back to visit a friend he had made. I gave him tips for the best beach resorts to go to around Chennai.

I wonder if they reverse the whole story when talking to pakistanis. Regardless, I just found this amusing cuz there are a high number of Afghan Uber drivers around here

 

[rhony]

This brings up an interesting experience I have had with Uber drivers who were Afghan. Many of them immediately get into the question of whether I am Pakistani or Indian. Once they find out where I am from, they launch into a tirade about Pakistan. Their gripe seems to be all about how their country is mostly ruined by Pakistan. They always have praise for India and claim to have many Indian friends who are very warm and welcoming. One guy even told me he had been to Chennai and was going back to visit a friend he had made. I gave him tips for the best beach resorts to go to around Chennai.

I wonder if they reverse the whole story when talking to pakistanis. Regardless, I just found this amusing cuz there are a high number of Afghan Uber drivers around here

They all want a good tip. When they see a Desi, they concoct stories to get that good tip.

 

[Swashbuckler]

No they are not. Pakistanis in general are open to self criticism and do not support oprression of others, India are the opposite.

Would you say this applies to Pakistanis in relation with the massive human rights violations in East Pakistan in 1971? Or the treatment of minorities there? Come on man, at least in the SC nobody can claim a higher moral ground. No point trying to win pointless internet arguments, and no point living in denial. And yeah generalization isn't a good idea.

Coming to topic I intend to stay in India for the rest of my life, so no question of interacting with Pakistanis in real life, in fact I hardly interact with non Tamilians in my immediate environment. I won't hate on Pakistan and Pakistanis online because I don't believe in negativity, I generally stay out of threads where there is a lot of hostility, much prefer common ground where we have something interesting or informative to discuss. Besides us moaning or fighting on a cricket forum isn't going to change reality, we are irrelevant people in the grander scheme of things. We will only be doing ourselves harm by spreading hate and bad blood, it take a toll on our daily lives. Best we can do is spread love and friendship in online space, it may or may not brighten the lives of others but will definitely have a positive impact on us.

 

[pillionrider]

No they are not. Pakistanis in general are open to self criticism and do not support oprression of others, India are the opposite.

As someone from the South, default hostility towards Pakistan is not inbuilt. Always knew Pak were the team to beat even as a kid though. That rivalry seems inbuilt.

But one thing for sure - since February and now after Kashmir, the inbuilt loathing towards India in some Pak posters you thought were pretty chilled otherwise, has been an eyeopener

 

[Knight_Rider]

That’s true. I was used to see Indians (other than obvious ******) favourably. Used to think they are very similar to us but now i have more resentment towards Indians because i can see the inner hatred and arrogance coming out of those, who I thought were liberal and balanced.

 

[IndianHero]

I don't have any negative reactions/feelings towards pakistanis. Infact I feel sorry for them as they are helpless in this situation where their economy is not doing well and BJP govt did this for them in kashmir !

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

As someone from the South, default hostility towards Pakistan is not inbuilt. Always knew Pak were the team to beat even as a kid though. That rivalry seems inbuilt.

But one thing for sure - since February and now after Kashmir, the inbuilt loathing towards India in some Pak posters you thought were pretty chilled otherwise, has been an eyeopener

No one loathes India or Indians in general; people no matter where they are. are people at the end of the day. And apparently even polar opposite people have much in common.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

As a secular Indian, I still love Pakistanis. In fact, I hate the right wing Indians. I know Pakistanis have developed hatred towards people like me as well but we still love you. We will continue to love and spread the message of peace!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Indians I grew up with were generally alright, they would drop some weird comment once in a while about Muslims, but I never thought that much of it, generally we shared pretty similar experiences back then of growing up in a white world.

The internet is a different matter, since the explosion of the web, now you see what was feeding those 'weird comments', and it is disturbing at best. Other than that, I don't really mix with Indians away from the work environment, don't have any close friendships like I used to as career and marriage have seen them move on.

I don't like to pigeonhole anyone though, I doubt they are that different from anyone else beyond the politics of India/Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Would you say this applies to Pakistanis in relation with the massive human rights violations in East Pakistan in 1971? Or the treatment of minorities there? Come on man, at least in the SC nobody can claim a higher moral ground. No point trying to win pointless internet arguments, and no point living in denial. And yeah generalization isn't a good idea.

Coming to topic I intend to stay in India for the rest of my life, so no question of interacting with Pakistanis in real life, in fact I hardly interact with non Tamilians in my immediate environment. I won't hate on Pakistan and Pakistanis online because I don't believe in negativity, I generally stay out of threads where there is a lot of hostility, much prefer common ground where we have something interesting or informative to discuss. Besides us moaning or fighting on a cricket forum isn't going to change reality, we are irrelevant people in the grander scheme of things. We will only be doing ourselves harm by spreading hate and bad blood, it take a toll on our daily lives. Best we can do is spread love and friendship in online space, it may or may not brighten the lives of others but will definitely have a positive impact on us.

Oooh...hat post makes me feel guilty. I do enjoy spreading the odd flame war I must admit, but it's all in good fun....mostly. Indians are easy targets because they often have a tendency to troll, and I'm sure my friends on here like Varun would agree.

Good post though, I admire you for sticking to your online principles.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The Indians I grew up with were generally alright, they would drop some weird comment once in a while about Muslims, but I never thought that much of it, generally we shared pretty similar experiences back then of growing up in a white world.

The internet is a different matter, since the explosion of the web, now you see what was feeding those 'weird comments', and it is disturbing at best. Other than that, I don't really mix with Indians away from the work environment, don't have any close friendships like I used to as career and marriage have seen them move on.

I don't like to pigeonhole anyone though, I doubt they are that different from anyone else beyond the politics of India/Pakistan.

Mooh mein ram ram, baghal mein churi. Especially true for the middle class indians.

 

[JaDed]

The Indians I grew up with were generally alright, they would drop some weird comment once in a while about Muslims, but I never thought that much of it, generally we shared pretty similar experiences back then of growing up in a white world.

The internet is a different matter, since the explosion of the web, now you see what was feeding those 'weird comments', and it is disturbing at best. Other than that, I don't really mix with Indians away from the work environment, don't have any close friendships like I used to as career and marriage have seen them move on.

I don't like to pigeonhole anyone though, I doubt they are that different from anyone else beyond the politics of India/Pakistan.

Wonder if the current mood has pacified you to take a middle stand, if not you would usually be up in arms against us.

 

[RajBan]

2019 has been a year where Pakistan and India relations have become worse.

In the past(since not remembering the wars) I tried not to dislike Indians and blamed politics for the poor relations. In a country with over a billion people it wasnt fair to generalise. Also knowing a lot of Indians growing up in the UK, there was no real issue.

This year India flew their jets into Pakistan and the immoral events in Kashmir by the Indian government relations seem to have taken a new low.

Indians openly supporting the brutality and Indians believing the lies of the government and hating on Pakistan has made me feel I cant trust Indians anymore. I have friends that are Indians in the UK but these chaps dont care about India, never visit and see themselves as British. I know other Indians who are patriotic and I dont respect them anymore but thankfully were never close friends.

Do Pakistani posters feel negative towards Indians now? Or nothing much has changed?

The same for Indian posters, do you feel more negative towards Pakistanis or the same as before?

Its sad to feel this way towards other people but sometimes you have to accept what you feel and imo Pakistanis have every right to feel negative towards Indians now due to their attitude and apologist defending of their extermist government.

Thoughts?

No, I don't feel negative about common Pakistanis even though I may vent sometimes against the state. The challenges for both countries may vary in forms but similar in nature in terms of economy, education, social issues and environment. Ofcourse they will believe what the Pakistani state tells them and similarly Indians will believe what their government tells them and ofcourse the narrative will be polar opposite in their respective countries.

The key at times is to learn to agree to disagree but do not lose out on mutual respect. It's impossible to have a dialogue when we disrespect each other. Regardless of how wide the differences in opinion are we need to live and let live.

A good way to deal with it is while acknowledging the differences we also appreciate the common traits in terms of culture, literature, food and festivals. I am sure that will outnumber the differences any day and will help in maintaining some sanity.

What also does not help is the dysfunctional approach of sudden bonhomie and then the next second at each other's throat. Think about Lahore bus and Kargil or Modi's sudden visit to Pakistan and Pathankot. We should be matured enough to understand that none of us are going anywhere and we have no other option other than figuring out how to coexist to our mutual benefits. I know it helps section of military and groups with vested interests in each country to keep alive the enmity.

Finally it's an individual choice. I can hear in to the mainstream narrative in each country and go with the hateful vibe and groom myself as equally toxic or I can take slightly more measured approach where I continue to support my country but have independent thought process to be self critical at times and also provide some space to the other side to hear back their perspective.

 

[razazaidi]

Nothing has changed for me and my friends (who are from India). They are usually great, non-judgmental and know how to have a good time. Most Pakistanis here in US are ready to give a sermon on anything and everything. I really wish things get better for Indians and Pakistanis back home, because its awesome knowing people from a different country, who are very similar to your own. Cheers

 

[PakLFC]

They will only spiral downwards. Pak is never gonna give up on IoK and we're throwing them out of Afghanistan where I totally support the Afghan Taliban. Pak does not want any talks with them at all, neither do I at all.

 

[anand99]

They will only spiral downwards. Pak is never gonna give up on IoK and we're throwing them out of
Afghanistan where I totally support the Afghan Taliban. Pak does not want any talks with them at all, neither do I at all.

Seems like you are wasting time here. You should have enlisted by now given your enthusiasm.

 

[junoon]

Pakistanis and indians in western countries tend to unite as south asians only when they feel threatened by overt racism from Caucasians.

I have heard from older pakistani and indian migrants that during 1960s and 1970s there was more unity between them cause overt racism/p@ki-bashing was rampant in UK/USA/Canada back them. There was unity in diaspora despite the fact that Pakistan and india fought 2 wars in those decades.

Violence and overt racism against people with brown skin has now subsided in most western countries

 

[PakLFC]

Seems like you are wasting time here. You should have enlisted by now given your enthusiasm.

Did I say something to upset you?? Look, the Kashmir issue will only be resolved by war until then no side seems to be interested in backing off. Our PM recently said "no talks" then your one followed with a similar comment. After the curfew is lifted things will further deteriorate in IoK leading to an escalation in tension and possible war in the subcontinent. Already there are soldiers dying on both sides daily.

 

[Itachi]

Nothing has changed for me and my friends (who are from India). They are usually great, non-judgmental and know how to have a good time. Most Pakistanis here in US are ready to give a sermon on anything and everything. I really wish things get better for Indians and Pakistanis back home, because its awesome knowing people from a different country, who are very similar to your own. Cheers

What I see is, Brit Pakistanis are more twords extreme end in different subjects (religion, political) than US Pakistanis. Makes me wonder, if it is due to over compensate the identity crisis?

 

[RajBan]

What I see is, Brit Pakistanis are more twords extreme end in different subjects (religion, political) than US Pakistanis. Makes me wonder, if it is due to over compensate the identity crisis?

It's because the socio economic demographies are different. Brit Pakistanis predominantly migrated from Mirpur area. The US Pakistanis on the other hand has been from urban background, most of them went there for higher education, research, business and white collar jobs.

 

[Ronaldo7]

What I see is, Brit Pakistanis are more twords extreme end in different subjects (religion, political) than US Pakistanis. Makes me wonder, if it is due to over compensate the identity crisis?

Indians are 10x higher in number than Pakistanis in the US so they need to make sure they don't offend anyone. In the UK, however, they're pretty much the same so they're more likely to care less about offending someone.

 

[Mamoon]

No they are not. Pakistanis in general are open to self criticism and do not support oprression of others, India are the opposite.

I feel pity for all poor but its not my problem what is happening in India with poverty. People who support and defend extremits such as the BJP and it's policies cannot be trusted or befriended. I wouldn't even shake their hands.

Unless the oppressors benefit them financially.

 

[RajBan]

Indians are 10x higher in number than Pakistanis in the US so they need to make sure they don't offend anyone. In the UK, however, they're pretty much the same so they're more likely to care less about offending someone.

This is not exactly the reason and it is not 10 times in US. Maybe 5 times.

US Pakistani community is pretty religious but by and large they possess moderate outlook and at the same time are pretty cosmopolitan and inclusive. Also US Pakistani community is much more closely integrated with the other communities there.

 

[junoon]

Indians are 10x higher in number than Pakistanis in the US so they need to make sure they don't offend anyone. In the UK, however, they're pretty much the same so they're more likely to care less about offending someone.

Why do you say that? I have lived in USA and Canada most of my life, but i don't think that is the case.
Yes we are outnumbered by indians but USA is not modi's Gujarat so we are not really scared of or intimidated by them either.

 

[Hitman]

Unless the oppressors benefit them financially.

So true.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Why do you say that? I have lived in USA and Canada most of my life, but i don't think that is the case.
Yes we are outnumbered by indians but USA is not modi's Gujarat so we are not really scared of or intimidated by them either.

It's not that.
American Pakistanis just seem to be a bit less comfortable to confront people compared to my area's people (british Pakistanis)

 

[GBK_Fan]

The more educated you are, the less likely you will willingly want to get caught in a brawl or seen vandalising a building. Participating in peaceful protests is completely different.

A lot of the people involved in the violent protests in London over the last month, are people at the lower end of the social/educational strata.

As much as these videos have been shared on the Indian groups I subscribe too, not one person has bothered turning up at the counter protests or candle marches organised. Not that we are any less patriotic, but we rather support our country by the high level remittances or the educated soft power we can project. For the real stuff, our army has been waiting at the border from the last month and the opposition just won’t get off Twitter )

 

[Ronaldo7]

The more educated you are, the less likely you will willingly want to get caught in a brawl or seen vandalising a building. Participating in peaceful protests is completely different.

A lot of the people involved in the violent protests in London over the last month, are people at the lower end of the social/educational strata.

As much as these videos have been shared on the Indian groups I subscribe too, not one person has bothered turning up at the counter protests or candle marches organised. Not that we are any less patriotic, but we rather support our country by the high level remittances or the educated soft power we can project. For the real stuff, our army has been waiting at the border from the last month and the opposition just won’t get off Twitter )

are you an indian?

 

[Knight_Rider]

The more educated you are, the less likely you will willingly want to get caught in a brawl or seen vandalising a building. Participating in peaceful protests is completely different.
..
For the real stuff, our army has been waiting at the border from the last month and the opposition just won’t get off Twitter )

If your bhashan above is true, then as per your logic the whole Indian Army and Establishment involved in crimes against Kashmiri Civilians must be totally Jahil, Illiterate and from the lower end of the spectrum.

That’s why its better to first look at ones own-self before pointing fingers!

 

[GBK_Fan]

If your bhashan above is true, then as per your logic the whole Indian Army and Establishment involved in crimes against Kashmiri Civilians must be totally Jahil, Illiterate and from the lower end of the spectrum.

That’s why its better to first look at ones own-self before pointing fingers!

Ahh thanks for reiterating my point. Now go educate yourself on the difference between civilians protesting in a 3rd country and armies at the border

 

[Knight_Rider]

Not at the border but in cities and towns amongst civilian population. Have some moral courage and character to acknowledge that!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Would you say this applies to Pakistanis in relation with the massive human rights violations in East Pakistan in 1971? Or the treatment of minorities there? Come on man, at least in the SC nobody can claim a higher moral ground. No point trying to win pointless internet arguments, and no point living in denial. And yeah generalization isn't a good idea.

This was 50 years ago, I wasnt around then and besides human rights violations were done by both sides, unlike now the Kashmiris aren't abusing Indian troops. I'd rather stay in the present, otherwise we can be going back to 47.

Coming to topic I intend to stay in India for the rest of my life, so no question of interacting with Pakistanis in real life, in fact I hardly interact with non Tamilians in my immediate environment. I won't hate on Pakistan and Pakistanis online because I don't believe in negativity, I generally stay out of threads where there is a lot of hostility, much prefer common ground where we have something interesting or informative to discuss. Besides us moaning or fighting on a cricket forum isn't going to change reality, we are irrelevant people in the grander scheme of things. We will only be doing ourselves harm by spreading hate and bad blood, it take a toll on our daily lives. Best we can do is spread love and friendship in online space, it may or may not brighten the lives of others but will definitely have a positive impact on us.

Tbf you are a South Indian and one of the good Indian posters. But ;ets be real most Indians support brutality, propaganda and even smile to themselves when they see a Kashmiri killed. These are the majority of Indians today(Hindus) and I have no respect for them at all.

Some strange points in this thread.

1. Many Brit Paks are from Kashmir region but many aren't and still speak up for human rights abuses against Kashmriis.

2. Indians are more educated in the UK so wont use physical violence as Brit Paks do. lol. No the reality is Indians are only brave in Kashmir or when they vastly outnumber others walking past seeing them with a cow. In the UK Indians knows they cant use this thuggish behaviour as they do in India or Kashmir because here they would end up in hospital.

3. Indians will only appreaciate posts or views of Pakistanis which are nothing but treasounous, which is funny,.

Sure there are Indians which can relate to Paksitanis esp those who have self respect and will call their government out for its' crimes, call out their PM and his party for being extremits and admit the lies and outright foolish statemtents from Modi regarding emails, digi photos etc. But these are far and few. The rest I would rather never speak to them because they are pathetic human beings imo.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wonder if the current mood has pacified you to take a middle stand, if not you would usually be up in arms against us.

I don't even know what the current mood is, too much on my plate recently to keep up with events. In any case I doubt it will amount to much more than the usual handbag fights between the two countries. Only the more powerful country is in a position to initiate war, and India has never really shown any real inclination for it.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I used to think before the Feb incident happened that there were only a few indians who saw Pakistanis in a negative view
Mind you i didn't think Indians liked us. I just thought they hated our government more than the average civilians.
I was so wrong.
Looking at twitter it's clear what they think.

Frankly, I don't want pakistan to be friends with India neither do I want to associate myself with indians
Some people are just not meant to be your friends.

 

[junoon]

It's not that.
American Pakistanis just seem to be a bit less comfortable to confront people compared to my area's people (british Pakistanis)

There are no indians(hindus) at my current workplace but in the past i have worked with hindus. In a professional work environment you are expected not to engage in any heated arguments on politics or religion, so i am tactful when interacting with hindus at work.
Otherwise i try to avoid any social interaction with indians unless it is completely unavoidable

 

[Minnowbasher]

Have you noticed those in the UK they dont act as they do in India? I mean even though they support the oppression in Kashmir ,they will be like mice here, quiet and keep it hidden inside.

Agreed
Indians in the UK tend to be very nice people and keep their nationalism to themselves.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Agreed
Indians in the UK tend to be very nice people and keep their nationalism to themselves.

They're two faced.
They talk smack about pakistan(is) behind our backs.

 

[Technics 1210]

It is no surprise that the Hindu Indians I know have changed their tune dramatically since Modi was elected into power. Non Hindu Indians however are pretty much on the same page as Pakistan when it comes to their view of India. There is clear divide between Hindus and Non-Hindus among Western Indians I know.

 

[Technics 1210]

They're two faced.
They talk smack about pakistan(is) behind our backs.

Agreed.

 

[anand99]

It is no surprise that the Hindu Indians I know have
changed their tune dramatically since Modi was elected into power. Non Hindu Indians however are pretty much on the same page as Pakistan when it comes to their view of India. There is clear divide between Hindus and Non-Hindus among Western Indians I know.

You are generalizing Hindu indians too much. I know Hindu indians who are not really practicing Hindus cuz they have never been to a temple in their life. Religion has nothing to do with it. I think opinion on Pakistan in India is not formed on religious lines as much as it is formed on nationalistic lines. As much as many Pakistanis want to believe that their nation is the only true Muslim nation that is simply not true. There are many examples of Muslims coexisting with non Muslims in countries like India, Malaysia, Indonesia and leading happy lives. Heck even the US is an example of it. India has many religions and religion had little do with animosity for Pakistan. It comes from other things like the history of wars, rivalry in sports etc.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are generalizing Hindu indians too much. I know Hindu indians who are not really practicing Hindus cuz they have never been to a temple in their life. Religion has nothing to do with it. I think opinion on Pakistan in India is not formed on religious lines as much as it is formed on nationalistic lines. As much as many Pakistanis want to believe that their nation is the only true Muslim nation that is simply not true. There are many examples of Muslims coexisting with non Muslims in countries like India, Malaysia, Indonesia and leading happy lives. Heck even the US is an example of it. India has many religions and religion had little do with animosity for Pakistan. It comes from other things like the history of wars, rivalry in sports etc.

Hindus are getting a bad rep because their representative govt is presenting an aggressive pro Hindu philosophy in India, and that has often translated into suppression of other minorities, and a very hostile posture towards Pakistan.

 

[anand99]

Hindus are getting a bad rep because their representative govt is presenting an aggressive pro Hindu philosophy in India, and that has often translated into suppression of other minorities, and a very hostile posture towards Pakistan.

I am not an Indian or pakistani citizen but in all honesty your country was represented by military dictators for much of it's existence and sham puppet leaders. For majority of your existence your nation has been involved in extremism. Heck bin laden was found there. Is that representative of you as a Muslim?

Stop exaggerating. Modi came to power through a democratic process and the nation has given him a chance just like they gave the Congress a chance for decades. Deal with it and stop whining

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am not an Indian or pakistani citizen but in all honesty your country was represented by military dictators for much of it's existence and sham puppet leaders. For majority of your existence your nation has been involved in extremism. Heck bin laden was found there. Is that representative of you as a Muslim?

Stop exaggerating. Modi came to power through a democratic process and the nation has given him a chance just like they gave the Congress a chance for decades. Deal with it and stop whining

What has Pakistan got to do with Indian public electing an aggressive pro Hindu party to govern the country? When someone gives you a perfectly reasonable answer to your question as to why people have a wrong impression of Hindus you start going off about Pakistani extremism and telling me to stop whining.

Look sir, I am not here to defend Pakistan, I answered your post with logic and politely. If you can't deal with that, then I suggest you stay out of these threads, I do not appreciate your tone.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I am not an Indian or pakistani citizen but in all honesty your country was represented by military dictators for much of it's existence and sham puppet leaders. For majority of your existence your nation has been involved in extremism. Heck bin laden was found there. Is that representative of you as a Muslim?

Stop exaggerating. Modi came to power through a democratic process and the nation has given him a chance just like they gave the Congress a chance for decades. Deal with it and stop whining

You don't "elect" dictators.
There's no democracy in dictatorship.
How can you compare the two?

The fact is that the Indian public elected Modi. It was an one sided election. It's clear what Indians think about us and their Muslim counterparts.
Cow vigilante related crimes nearly tripled since Modi was elected compared with the pre Modi era. It can't be a coincidence

 

[Knight_Rider]

Very few Indians will have the guts to accept that Hindus (from all walks of life and all social classes) have a deep rooted hatred of Muslims. The reasons for which are also understandable and in all fairness they were oppressed for centuries.

The thing is that they dont realise that Muslims in India are the same people (and to a major portion) NOT foreign invaders. Genetic research has proven this multiple times. So in todays world hating someone because of their choice of religion is just dumb and outdated thinking. These same Indians expect a fair treatment for themselves when they are in a foreign country.

Modi and his goons should realise that by Killing and Lynching Indian muslims they are committing a genocide against their “own people”.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Very few Indians will have the guts to accept that Hindus (from all walks of life and all social classes) have a deep rooted hatred of Muslims. The reasons for which are also understandable and in all fairness they were oppressed for centuries.

The thing is that they dont realise that Muslims in India are the same people (and to a major portion) NOT foreign invaders. Genetic research has proven this multiple times. So in todays world hating someone because of their choice of religion is just dumb and outdated thinking. These same Indians expect a fair treatment for themselves when they are in a foreign country.

Modi and his goons should realise that by Killing and Lynching Indian muslims they are committing a genocide against their “own people”.

The worst thing I hear from Indians is when they tell their Muslim counterparts to go to pakistan just coz they're Muslim.
They've lived in India their whole lives FGS.