[Report] BCCI accused of switching pitches in ICC World Cup 2023

Meri jaan he sent this email to his boss, and this email is in the press and is being reported on



Oh well that's all well and good, we can disregard his expertise and experience because he failed to get up on a podium in front of a press conference. Who even uses email in 2023 anymore right?
He can share his opinion with ICC.

That doesn't mean he will be always right. Either him or the ICC official didn't even disclose the crux of the matter, the reason.

At this point, it's just an opinion.
 
No one's going to pay attention to you. India should probably lose, so people who've been addicted to crying struggle to find something else to cry about :rp

So this Atkinson guy is someone appointed by the ICC to oversee pitches. He first asked for batting pitches so we could have a joke of a tournament. Luckily some of the curators made their own mind up and we got to see some good games eventually.

India have proved themselves across all types of pitches. Unlike England in 2019 who needed flat batting wickets to win a WC and failed wherever anything outside the script was provided. Where were the tears then?

The only thing India needs to prove is that they can handle knockout game pressure and perform. Nothing else needs any proving this time.

You can cry and whine all you want. This won't be the first time I've seen those tears. 2011 saw similar tears. And even after the WC was over, the next round of tears were reserved for how India didn't get the actual trophy or something like that :vk2

True. Pitch 5, pitch 6, pitch 7 lol
 

ICC Head Curator Andy Atkinson to Address Curators of Cricket World Cup 2023 Venues, Likely to Suggest Preparation of Batting Friendly Pitches For Commerical Purpose: Report​


So basically this guy wanted England to bulldoze everyone with their batting might lol They got folded for 169 runs at Bengaluru of all the places
 
Everyone knows about this, it's not a secret. I don't want to put anyone in trouble here but I went to an ICC spinsor event earlier this month, invited by one of the sponsors for the wc, and a genuine great/legend of the game from Africa, told me similar story about another Indian match, while having dinner next to me. He was of course laughing about it bcoz he thought it's a given thing with bcci.
Seen Aussie and SA fans complain about the pitches they were given for matches against India.
 
He can share his opinion with ICC.

That doesn't mean he will be always right. Either him or the ICC official didn't even disclose the crux of the matter, the reason.

At this point, it's just an opinion.
My guy, this is the guy in charge of pitches for the world cup. He isn't just saying what he thinks might be going on, he is reporting actual events and conversations that he is an active part of.
 

ICC Head Curator Andy Atkinson to Address Curators of Cricket World Cup 2023 Venues, Likely to Suggest Preparation of Batting Friendly Pitches For Commerical Purpose: Report​


So basically this guy wanted England to bulldoze everyone with their batting might lol They got folded for 169 runs at Bengaluru of all the places
It's his job to decide pitches - good or bad, not the BCCIs to dictate what kind of pitch India plays on.
 

ICC Head Curator Andy Atkinson to Address Curators of Cricket World Cup 2023 Venues, Likely to Suggest Preparation of Batting Friendly Pitches For Commerical Purpose: Report​


So basically this guy wanted England to bulldoze everyone with their batting might lol They got folded for 169 runs at Bengaluru of all the places
So you went from denying it a moment ago to already saying that it’s a good thing it happened. If you have an issue with the official ICC process, then change the process. Don’t exert influence in back room deals in direct opposition to official procedure.
 
No. He is an English man. Why is he suggesting batting friendly pitch? Isn't that biased?
Not biased, he's right in its commercially better as casuals enjoy high scoring games. It's fans who prefer even balance between batand ball.
 
My guy, this is the guy in charge of pitches for the world cup. He isn't just saying what he thinks might be going on, he is reporting actual events and conversations that he is an active part of.
"Actual events" are subjected to interpretation. Hence why he is only in charge of report and NOT taking an action.
 
So you went from denying it a moment ago to already saying that it’s a good thing it happened. If you have an issue with the official ICC process, then change the process. Don’t exert influence in back room deals in direct opposition to official procedure.
No i am still denying it. This guy apparently has to state what the difference between the pitch is. He is merely "insinuating" assuming if this story is even true. Can't say "hey this pitch was used once. this was used twice"
 
So far pacers and spinners both have equally done well just like 2015/2011. If anything pacers have done slightly better in this world cup than spinners unlike spinners in 2019 where they averaged 52
 
"Actual events" are subjected to interpretation. Hence why he is only in charge of report and NOT taking an action.

Uh what? Objective conversations are not subject to interpretation lmao, you can't just decide what you want to hear. If he's being told that India changed the pitch to a used one, you can't interpret that any other way just because it may hurt your feelings

This is the ICC guy literally in charge of pitches during the World Cup. BCCI shouldn't be part of that at all.
 
Not biased, he's right in its commercially better as casuals enjoy high scoring games. It's fans who prefer even balance between batand ball.
Yeah. That's why everyone was calling this the worst WC ever with teams smashing 400 lol.

It's only when slower pitches and some aiding movement were introduced that the games started making sense.

An Indian is well within their rights to suspect his integrity when England can only win on flat wickets. Well, they couldn't even do that this time, but you get the drift.
 
Indian pitches always assisting spinners since last century.. if Mumbai pitch assisting spinners, then why NZ brought Santner and Sodhi in their squad?
 
People wondering who this consultant is, here you go

Essex-born Andy Atkinson, who is credited as having a “greater knowledge of cricket pitches around the world than anybody else on the planet.”

Not some random smuck


Looks like an expert for sure. Seems like one of those stuckup guys.


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Totals in excess of 350 have come quite regularly in the ongoing World Cup. Andy Atkinson, the International Cricket Council (ICC)’s head curator, thinks the overall nature of Indian pitches has improved from what it was in the past.

“Oh, there’s a huge difference. They (pitches in India) are much better than they were before,” Atkinson told The Telegraph at the ITC Sonar on Friday.

“There used to be some decent ones previously, but it was a struggle because playing after the IPL (which usually gets over around May end), we basically had to try and prepare a pitch at every ground. But now there are nice grounds with full grass-covered wickets, you can prepare a nice, decent pitch I suppose.

“And almost every pitch we have played so far in this World Cup has been good. There has been a proper balance between the bat and ball. In fact, this balance was something I had spoken of (during the curators’ seminar in Mumbai) when I came to India back in August,” he said.

Atkinson was effusive in his praise for the Eden wicket, terming it “excellent”.

“It used to be slow and flat, but at present, it’s a lot more sporting... Been easy for me because of the hard work put in by the ground staff here as they were prepared for all situations. You can sense the hard work.”
 
Its been happening since the beginning of this tournament although it's hard for Indian fans to accept it. It was most evident in Chennai against Aus and England game in Licknow
 
Looks like an expert for sure. Seems like one of those stuckup guys.


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This is called anticipatory bail lol Just in case if they lose, they can use this to cope :) But i understand New zealanders has a reason to do. But others?

This was from 2015 semi final India vs Australia

On Monday, as the Australian and Indian teams began training, there was more hype over the appearance of the International Cricket Council's (ICC) pitch consultant Andy Atkinson.

It is been made clear, though, that this will not be Atkinson or ICC's deck to prepare; that is Parker's responsibility alone and his intention is to simply produce a traditional SCG wicket.

The good news for Australia is that there was some grass on the pitch on Monday. The bad news is they are not playing on it until Thursday.
 
Its been happening since the beginning of this tournament although it's hard for Indian fans to accept it. It was most evident in Chennai against Aus and England game in Licknow
Sorry dude. Anyone who have watched IPL for the last 15 yeasr know how a chennai wicket would behave. "Most evident' is only for conspiracy theorists.
 
Don't trust media.

I am going to wait on this one.

This is probably a misquoted whatsapp communication.
 
India's adopted side Afghanistan also have benefitted. Watch highlights of games vs England in Delhi. It was a very dry surface. By far the most spin friendly Delhi surface in tournament
 
So has this guy been praising the pitches all along and now suddenly wants a flat wicket or what lol
You can praise stuff being done right, and then when you find evidence of wrong doing you can call it out ? Is that a hard concept to grasp for you.

Also attacking an individual based on their picture is not on. Please behave better than that.
 
India's adopted side Afghanistan also have benefitted. Watch highlights of games vs England in Delhi. It was a very dry surface. By far the most spin friendly Delhi surface in tournament

England losing at Bengaluru against trundler Matthews? lol Do you have a theory behind that?
 
Sorry dude. Anyone who have watched IPL for the last 15 yeasr know how a chennai wicket would behave. "Most evident' is only for conspiracy theorists.
No. It was very very dry and Ashwin played I think the only game of the tournament. It was much more spin friendly than any surface that Chennai produced in the tournament. Accept it or not
 
You can praise stuff being done right, and then when you find evidence of wrong doing you can call it out ? Is that a hard concept to grasp for you.

Also attacking an individual based on their picture is not on. Please behave better than that.
I always judge people by their appearance and it mostly works out right. He looks like one of those stuck up types.
 
BCCI is an absolute disgrace to the game and they have shown time and time again. At least England and Australia had some grace when they were the all powerful. BCCI is just showing its noveau rich auqat once again. Abuse of power to gain unfair advantage. Shameless. I really am hoping they dont win this worldcup. Cant wait to celebrate their loss. Cheaters.
 
Good. Enough of this nonsense where we play NZ in pitches that favour them . We had to play NZ in the previous CWC on a pitch that favoured their strengths and once again in the group stage at Dharamshala the most swing friendly venue in India.

Nobody complained then. Also, where was the outrage when India played England in the 2019 league stage on a pitch which has an extremely short boundary to neutralise Indian spinners?
 
No. It was very very dry and Ashwin played I think the only game of the tournament. It was much more spin friendly than any surface that Chennai produced in the tournament. Accept it or not
It is always dry. No way. you have no clue about what a real chennai track is. This is not even close.
 
Good. Enough of this nonsense where we play NZ in pitches that favour them . We had to play NZ in the previous CWC on a pitch that favoured their strengths and once again in the group stage at Dharamshala the most swing friendly venue in India.
Add the WTC final also.
 
No. It was very very dry and Ashwin played I think the only game of the tournament. It was much more spin friendly than any surface that Chennai produced in the tournament. Accept it or not
Man, CSK have built a fortress at home with those pitches. Dhoni's greatest skill as a captain was always slow pitches, spinners and trundlers. He had mastered those resources.
 
Good. Enough of this nonsense where we play NZ in pitches that favour them . We had to play NZ in the previous CWC on a pitch that favoured their strengths and once again in the group stage at Dharamshala the most swing friendly venue in India.

Nobody complained then. Also, where was the outrage when India played England in the 2019 league stage on a pitch which has an extremely short boundary to neutralise Indian spinners?

Changing the pitch at the last minute and against ICC agreement is dodgy.
 
literal whataboutism in this thread, who cares what England may or may not have done in 2019. Totally irrelevant to this
No whataboutism. So far the whole accusation is based on whatsapp message lol No credible statement either from Atkinson or ICC. You can very well intervene right now to play on the same pitch you want them to play if it has any credibility.
 
Add the WTC final also.
At least that was a neutral venue . 2015 World Cup pitches were extremely flat which suited OZ batting until #8 and 2019 World Cup was the worst ever for spinners.

Both favoured the home sides. Theres no need for India to be generous and make fast, flat pitches to favour SENA hitters .

NZ got the perfect pitch at Dharamshala to play us. Except Chennai and Lucknow, none of the pitches have favoured us so far.
 
"Atkinson is understood to have been told there is an unspecified problem with pitch No 7 - an opinion he is thought not to share."

Why not share? That exactly is the main crux of he issue.

You've misread the comment. He has been told (presumably by the local groundsman) than in their opinion there is a problem with pitch 7. He doesn't agree with that opinion.

As Jadeja said after the BGT series this year, white people start seeing pitches in India from their flights. What a bunch of cowards lol.
Glad that India never whines about playing conditions in SENA. Not even when they were served those ridiculous boundary dimensions against England last WC, only way they could have countered Kuldeep.

You're kidding right? Literally the first thing Kohli did in the press conference for that match was whine about the boundary including making up false dimensions and trying to spread false information the rules governing it. All of that for a boundary that was the largest it could be on a pitch just 1 away from the central wicket.
 
No. He is an English man. Why is he suggesting batting friendly pitch? Isn't that biased?
Whatever he is suggesting, he has been given mandate by ICC who is supposed to ensure that the worldcup is neutral. You are seriously justifying cheating by BCCI?
 
The thing is that I did not mind the pitches during the WC at all. But the procedure exists for a reason. The Indian cricket team is good enough to beat the other teams without having to resort to pressuring curators to switch to favorable pitches in violation of ICC procedure.
 
No whataboutism. So far the whole accusation is based on whatsapp message lol No credible statement either from Atkinson or ICC. You can very well intervene right now to play on the same pitch you want them to play if it has any credibility.

It's based on a statement from the guy in charge of pitches, who learned from the official WhatsApp group that BCCI has decided to use a different pitch because of some unknown reason that he does not agree with.

He didn't receive some random text, this is the group message of official ICC and BCCI members.

Cope harder. God forbid we aren't blinded by our favorite team and we look at things objectively.
 
At least that was a neutral venue . 2015 World Cup pitches were extremely flat which suited OZ batting until #8 and 2019 World Cup was the worst ever for spinners.

Both favoured the home sides. Theres no need for India to be generous and make fast, flat pitches to favour SENA hitters .

NZ got the perfect pitch at Dharamshala to play us. Except Chennai and Lucknow, none of the pitches have favoured us so far.
Probably this world cup has the best set of pitches helping everyone unlike the last 2015.2019. If you look at 2015 world cup. the matches held in Australia saw an average of 52 for spinners. Same as what we saw in England in 2019.
 
It's based on a statement from the guy in charge of pitches, who learned from the official WhatsApp group that BCCI has decided to use a different pitch because of some unknown reason that he does not agree with.

He didn't receive some random text, this is the group message of official ICC and BCCI members.

Cope harder. God forbid we aren't blinded by our favorite team and we look at things objectively.
Sorry dude. I think Indians don't have to cope :) You are the one coping by dragging afghanistan vs england match lol
 
Yeah that maybe true. Dumb BCCI should never have agreed to it in the first place.

India don't deserve to win if they can't play by pre-agreed rules. I don't want them to win this way. Hope the kiwis prevail.
 
Sorry dude. I think Indians don't have to cope :) You are the one coping by dragging afghanistan vs england match lol
My brother in Christ, when did I ever bring up Afghanistan and England? This is between ICC and BCCI.

This all sucks because not only is this blatant overstepping and cheating, India does not need this help. They were already far and away the best team in this world cup and easy favorites.
 
My brother in Christ, when did I ever bring up Afghanistan and England? This is between ICC and BCCI.

This all sucks because not only is this blatant overstepping and cheating, India does not need this help. They were already far and away the best team in this world cup and easy favorites.
You will see the inspection of the pitch before throwing out words like cheating. Someone like Boult spent the vast majority of his IPL career on this ground. In fact, pretty much all the commies from NZ know about the nature of each ground, pitch. There is no secret. It is always a high-scoring ground. Don't expect anything different unless India implodes out of nerves. The only complaint here is it may aid spin. Whoever told spin pitches are Indian-team friendly has to have their head examined. That is the least friendly pitch for India. India's strength is pace. Indian batsmen's strength is also against pace not spin. This is more like a last minute accelerated narrative to play down just in case if India wins.
 
Did he also say this that they cheated ICC during India vs Pakistan match? They played the match on a different pitch than the chosen by ICC?

Pakistan was doing well on that pitch though until that Hardik Kala Jadu thing started working and Pakistan bundled out very quickly.
 
My brother in Christ, when did I ever bring up Afghanistan and England? This is between ICC and BCCI.

This all sucks because not only is this blatant overstepping and cheating, India does not need this help. They were already far and away the best team in this world cup and easy favorites.
I brought it up and and I've watched enough cricket to understand Afghans have also benefitted from the pitch rigging in certain games.
England game in Delhi and
Aus game in Mumbai it was the slowest Mumbai surface which helped neutralise Cummins starc hazlewood.
 
I brought it up and and I've watched enough cricket to understand Afghans have also benefitted from the pitch rigging in certain games.
England game in Delhi and
Aus game in Mumbai it was the slowest Mumbai surface which helped neutralise Cummins starc hazlewood.

What in god's hell you are talking about. It was seamers that did the damage upfront. Wankhede under lights every team collapsed in the first 10 overs. You seem like have a conspiracy theory for every match
 
Now, the fans of the losing teams have something to cling onto, even if it is a rumor. Conspiracy theories are meant for losers. I remember there was a rumor that Australia's WC win in 2007 would reversed because he used a table tennis ball in his gloves while batting.
 
You will see the inspection of the pitch before throwing out words like cheating. Someone like Boult spent the vast majority of his IPL career on this ground. In fact, pretty much all the commies from NZ know about the nature of each ground, pitch. There is no secret. It is always a high-scoring ground. Don't expect anything different unless India implodes out of nerves. The only complaint here is it may aid spin. Whoever told spin pitches are Indian-team friendly has to have their head examined. That is the least friendly pitch for India. India's strength is pace. Indian batsmen's strength is also against pace not spin. This is more like a last minute accelerated narrative to play down just in case if India wins.

This is all true and whatever, but the issue isn't that the pitch may be spin friendly. That's fine, who cares.

The issue is BCCI apparently overstepping their bounds and changing the pitch and just declaring they will not be listening to the ICC guy in charge.
 
What in god's hell you are talking about. It was seamers that did the damage upfront. Wankhede under lights every team collapsed in the first 10 overs. You seem like have a conspiracy theory for every match
Hahaa bhai I am saying slow and uncharacteristic Mumbai pitch helped Afghan batters.
 
This is all true and whatever, but the issue isn't that the pitch may be spin friendly. That's fine, who cares.

The issue is BCCI apparently overstepping their bounds and changing the pitch and just declaring they will not be listening to the ICC guy in charge.
There is no clarification from anyone. Everything is based on whatsapp. Insinuation. If the curator wants a batting track then all they can do is shave all the grass. That is a big minus for India. Apparently for commercial reasons they probably want that way. Match going full 100 overs. They can milk millions.
 
Hahaa bhai I am saying slow and uncharacteristic Mumbai pitch helped Afghan batters.
Afghans played better against india as well lol So? Only recently They scored a 200 partnership against Pakistan in Srilanka. Why do you think Australian bowlers are any good and Afghanistan are bad? They played well against multiple teams. In between they had their collapses like against BD, NZ.
 
There is no clarification from anyone. Everything is based on whatsapp. Insinuation. If the curator wants a batting track then all they can do is shave all the grass. That is a big minus for India. Apparently for commercial reasons they probably want that way. Match going full 100 overs. They can milk millions.
It's a whatsapp message, from a BCCI OFFICIAL, saying they will not be using the recommended pitch but instead a used pitch. For reasons the official guy in charge does not agree with. These changed were made 'without proper notice or forewarning'. If BCCI went through the proper channels and provided a genuine reason, nobody would care.

It doesn't matter one bit if it's India declaring to use an old pitch, New Zealand deciding on a green pitch, or Zimbabwe coming in asking for an unsafe pitch.... no country should be ignoring the ICC and playing by their own rules
 
All of them seem to be quoting the same Daily Mail article as their source. Although I won't be surprised if BCCI did do it, will wait for something more substantial than that piece of tabloid trash
 
Being very honest here
I don't think that they are cheating over pitches.
But I have doubt over toss since this world cup started.
 
Afghans played better against india as well lol So? Only recently They scored a 200 partnership against Pakistan in Srilanka. Why do you think Australian bowlers are any good and Afghanistan are bad? They played well against multiple teams. In between they had their collapses like against BD, NZ.
That's because they've played on pitches that suited their strength. We'll see how much Afghans have progressed when they step outside their second home India.
They couldn't won a single game in last WC.
 
To our Indian (cricket fans) why even bother to react on such threads/posts. Your team by far has played the best cricket. The talent is there for all to see. Its a tough one to swallow but no matter what kind of pitch this Indian team will beat all other teams 9 out of 10 in India. They are too good at home. Actually always have been. Even in the 90s.
 
You've misread the comment. He has been told (presumably by the local groundsman) than in their opinion there is a problem with pitch 7. He doesn't agree with that opinion.



You're kidding right? Literally the first thing Kohli did in the press conference for that match was whine about the boundary including making up false dimensions and trying to spread false information the rules governing it. All of that for a boundary that was the largest it could be on a pitch just 1 away from the central wicket.
Buddy, the pitch they played on was farthest one. One side boundary was 82 m, other side 59 m. Have you ever seen anything that bizarre in a cricket match? Max we see a difference of 5-6 m.

Also the tournament situation, had England lost that game they were out of the competition.
 
That's because they've played on pitches that suited their strength. We'll see how much Afghans have progressed when they step outside their second home India.
They couldn't won a single game in last WC.
May be they have improved as a team? Rashid Khan is a super star in IPL. He has done well almost all the grounds. Mujeeb was opening bowler for Punjab XI for a while. Nabhi same with Sunrisers. Gurbaaz played for KKR as keeper. India also hosts Afghanistan matches against other countries. So them doing well here shouldn't really be a conspiracy theory. You are basically insulting their progress. You still have to show temperament to chase totals like 250, 280. Suddenly we cannot say India provided "temperament consultant" to Afghanistan to boost their performance. geez. Why getting salty about their progress?
 
Buddy, the pitch they played on was farthest one. One side boundary was 82 m, other side 59 m. Have you ever seen anything that bizarre in a cricket match? Max we see a difference of 5-6 m.

Also the tournament situation, had England lost that game they were out of the competition.
I believe the short side was actually 55 m.
 
May be they have improved as a team? Rashid Khan is a super star in IPL. He has done well almost all the grounds. Mujeeb was opening bowler for Punjab XI for a while. Nabhi same with Sunrisers. Gurbaaz played for KKR as keeper. India also hosts Afghanistan matches against other countries. So them doing well here shouldn't really be a conspiracy theory. You are basically insulting their progress. You still have to show temperament to chase totals like 250, 280. Suddenly we cannot say India provided "temperament consultant" to Afghanistan to boost their performance. geez. Why getting salty about their progress?
There's nothing to be salty about because I don't believe they've progressed. Their fast bowling still remains mediocre and batsmen are the same.
I'll wait for them to play on pitches that are not doctored to suit them.
I knew it's been happening even before this report came out
 
To our Indian (cricket fans) why even bother to react on such threads/posts. Your team by far has played the best cricket. The talent is there for all to see. Its a tough one to swallow but no matter what kind of pitch this Indian team will beat all other teams 9 out of 10 in India. They are too good at home. Actually always have been. Even in the 90s.
Thank you friend :) I am tired of these English/Australian conspiracy theories that has been dished out for years every time they tour. Especially in this world cup despite providing wide range of pitches which made toss completely irrelevant conspiracy theories have been thrown around willy nilly. Special ball, on the fly ball tracking adjustment now this.
 
There's nothing to be salty about because I don't believe they've progressed. Their fast bowling still remains mediocre and batsmen are the same.
I'll wait for them to play on pitches that are not doctored to suit them
They almost pulled off a win in England against India. They needed 13 runs to win in the last over. They ran Pakistan close atleast in 2 or 3 matches. How can anyone doctor a pitch only for Afghanistan batsman lol Their seamers outbowled Starc.
 
To our Indian (cricket fans) why even bother to react on such threads/posts. Your team by far has played the best cricket. The talent is there for all to see. Its a tough one to swallow but no matter what kind of pitch this Indian team will beat all other teams 9 out of 10 in India. They are too good at home. Actually always have been. Even in the 90s.
Well said.

Instead of reacting to these conspiracy theories to undermine us, we need to let these guys to revel in their fantasies.
 
Buddy, the pitch they played on was farthest one.

3 pitches were used at Edgbaston. The central one and the pitches with 1 between them and central wicket either side. The central pitch was reserved for the semi final.

One side boundary was 82 m, other side 59 m. Have you ever seen anything that bizarre in a cricket match? Max we see a difference of 5-6 m.

These dimensions added together come to 141m which is literally bigger than the distance between the fences at Edgbaston, it's made up nonsense.
 
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