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True.
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[Report] BCCI accused of switching pitches in ICC World Cup 2023
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with nothing to do got into this ! I am out of this thread.Their seamers bowled under lights. And we know much it swings in Mumbai for initial few overs.
Then no footwork Maxwell showed them their aukaat when it settled a bit.
Anyways these things cannot be proven with certainty no point in going on and on about it.
Enjoy the remainder of this WC
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This tournament has been dodgy
Icc needs to make another change
at toss
why trust match refree,? captains should themselves see the coin.
india is good enough to beat nz on any pitch but changing pitch is abuse of power and should be condemned
Icc needs to make another change
at toss
why trust match refree,? captains should themselves see the coin.
india is good enough to beat nz on any pitch but changing pitch is abuse of power and should be condemned
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Front page on stuff NZ
“A Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) official confirmed that a message was conveyed to prepare a slow track before the home team reached Mumbai. ‘It won’t be a turner but the team had asked for a slow pitch. It was the main reason we shaved off the grass,’ a source said.”
Disgusting. ICT dictating what pitches they play on in a world tournament.
“A Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) official confirmed that a message was conveyed to prepare a slow track before the home team reached Mumbai. ‘It won’t be a turner but the team had asked for a slow pitch. It was the main reason we shaved off the grass,’ a source said.”
Disgusting. ICT dictating what pitches they play on in a world tournament.
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Aside from the topic fo this thread, why does a venue even need to have like 5 - 7 different pitches in the first place? Why not just have one in the middle?
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Wankhede stadium pitches in this WC had no spin at all for the spinners. So if the pitch has massive assistance for spinners then it will be doctored by BCCI.
The article truth will be in front of us within 3 and half hours. Relax guys
The article truth will be in front of us within 3 and half hours. Relax guys
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By losing 5 tosses?
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Allegations etc are fine and par for the course but cannot be used as an excuse for win loss
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Extremely heart breaking
Never imagined that we would do this. It’s very unfair to opposition team fans.
Never imagined that we would do this. It’s very unfair to opposition team fans.
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If the pitches were batting friendly, why teams failed to score big against India. And if it was a spin friendly wicket, how were Indian pacers able to take more wickets?
India lost majority of the tosses.
Indian won batting first and second as well.
People having hard time digesting that for the first time India is dominating a world cup like Aussies used to do.
India lost majority of the tosses.
Indian won batting first and second as well.
People having hard time digesting that for the first time India is dominating a world cup like Aussies used to do.
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Used pitches were employed in the World T20 semis last year. I suppose that was OK.
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They are dominating, thats exactly why there was no need to do something like this...
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india is dominating no doubt about that
that doesn’t give them right to choose pitch of their liking. why cant indians fans understand that this is not about indian performance rather about the way they are choosing pitch of their liking
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Still remember the comedy beofe the Australian tour here. "Wickets being made unfavorable for left handers with rough outside off stump" etc etc etc..
Cue the match and there was none of that.
Cue the match and there was none of that.
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what not okay is Bcci having a say in what pitch will be used thats blatant cheating
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Its not the type of pitch, its the fact it was changed based on them playing NZ at the last moment.
It could be a new pitch, old pitch, spin pitch, Fast track, on the moon who cares but if you switch it at last moment then you will have people calling you out.
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According to the ICC's Playing Conditions for the World Cup, the relevant 'ground authority' is "responsible for the selection and preparation of the pitch" before any given match - in this case, the Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA).
As per ICC WC 2023 playing conditions:
6.3 Selection and preparation Before the match, the Ground Authority shall be responsible for the selection and preparation of the pitch. During the match, the umpires shall control its use and maintenance.
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So you've already passed the verdict that BCCI or the Indian team has indeed changed the wickets?
Based on what exactly? Daily Fail and it's "WhatsApp forwards"? Lmao...talk about desperation.
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6.3 Selection and preparationBefore the match, the Ground Authority shall be responsible for the selectionand preparation of the pitch. During the match, the umpires shall control its useand maintenance.
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This is now in mainstream news - no point brushing it under the carpet
Everyone needs to deal with it
BCCI now needs to make a statement
Absolutely gutted at this.
Typical fattu mentality. Too scared of losing the KOs. Indian team is mentally scarred by previous lost opportunities and don't want to miss out this time.
Is there any point of watching such match which is rigged even before the toss? NZ may win the game, but that doesn't change how bad this tactic is. India may win the game, but there will always be an * mark over the win.
Typical fattu mentality. Too scared of losing the KOs. Indian team is mentally scarred by previous lost opportunities and don't want to miss out this time.
Is there any point of watching such match which is rigged even before the toss? NZ may win the game, but that doesn't change how bad this tactic is. India may win the game, but there will always be an * mark over the win.
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So if these turned out to be true?
u will see every indian fan still defending it
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People can call it whatever they want. Only Mumbai Cricket Association(the local ground authority) is responsible for the allocation and preparation of pitches . There is no hard and fast rule that pitches have to be a certain way or has to be a fresh pitch or even have to follow the exact deployment of strips as per any pre-agreed system of rotation. The final call is with the local ground authority as to play on any pitch that is deemed fit.
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According to the ICC's Playing Conditions for the World Cup, the relevant 'ground authority' is "responsible for the selection and preparation of the pitch" before any given match - in this case, the Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA). The ICC also have an independent pitch consultant, Andy Atkinson, who works alongside local groundstaff.
There is no ICC requirement which states that knockout fixtures must be played on fresh pitches. The only stipulation in their Pitch and Outfield Monitoring Process reads: "It is expected that venues that are allocated the responsibility of hosting a match will present the best possible pitch and outfield conditions for that match." [/I]
There we go...
But but but bcCI cHeAtERs
There is no ICC requirement which states that knockout fixtures must be played on fresh pitches. The only stipulation in their Pitch and Outfield Monitoring Process reads: "It is expected that venues that are allocated the responsibility of hosting a match will present the best possible pitch and outfield conditions for that match." [/I]
There we go...
But but but bcCI cHeAtERs
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Original pitch rotation was due to be 6-8-6-8-7. Now it will be 6-8-6-8-6.
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Pat Cummins said "I haven't seen any issues in the pitches so far in this tournament that we have played on
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Will hold my reserevations until more concrete evidence occurs. Obviously if the pitch behaves slower than usual Wankhade tracks then certainly this theory will grow more legs. But even if for a second I was to entertain the entire theory being correct it would be absolutely unnecessary. In these conditions Indians are miles ahead than anyone else. With the exception of a vintage stubborn Aussie clinical job I don't see Indians losing this at all. It would be unfortunate if the fat geek Shah tries to doctor the pitches only to taint an obvious deserving Indian glory. Neither Rohit nor Rahul should agree on any of this. They are good enough to win on their own.
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ICC Rule book:
There is no ICC requirement which states that knockout fixtures must be played on fresh pitches. The only stipulation in their pitch and Outfield Monitoring Process reads: "It is expected that venues that are allocated the responsibility of hosting a match will present the best possible pitch and outfield conditions for that match".
There is no ICC requirement which states that knockout fixtures must be played on fresh pitches. The only stipulation in their pitch and Outfield Monitoring Process reads: "It is expected that venues that are allocated the responsibility of hosting a match will present the best possible pitch and outfield conditions for that match".
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it will be funny if india chokes again
despite the pitch of their liking
also dont be surprised when rohit sharma wins the toss today
despite the pitch of their liking
also dont be surprised when rohit sharma wins the toss today
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The Indian team managment requested these pitches or at least they know how the pitch his going to play, this is unfair advantage so if india win the toss they know exactly what they are going to opt for. THIS IS CHEATING
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Now even if Bharat wins the semi final it won’t feel the same because this is not a fair contest.
NZ is walking into this match with one hand tied , extremely unfair to them.
Now only 3 deserving champions in this World Cup are Aussies, NZ, Southern Afrikaan respectively
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Ofcourse India knows how the pitch will behave.
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Are we going to cover up the playing surface in a dupatta before unveiling it to the New Zealand team before the first ball of the game?
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Like I said - India is so far ahead in this tournament that no one in their right mind would question their win.
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you know exactly the advantages india team are going to get if they are asking to create a pitch to their liking.Are we going to cover up the playing surface in a dupatta before unveiling it to the New Zealand team before the first ball of the game?
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Both teams will bat on same pitch?
If yes, then just enjoy the game.
Whichever team wins the match will win because of playing better than the other.
If yes, then just enjoy the game.
Whichever team wins the match will win because of playing better than the other.
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We are playing at home lol. Of course we are going to get advantages with the playing conditions. But how is it CHEATING?
The fact that you've already given up on NZ even competing with us on a used surface says everything we need to know here.
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Until the ICC confirms any involvement or any confirmation comes from any credible source, this news will stay just another unconfirmed controversial news.
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When he asked who authorised the various changes, the BCCI said it was the Gujarat Cricket Association, while the GCA claimed they had been acting under instructions from the BCCI, with the requests made directly by the Indian team management.
I think you missed this part in the opening post
Since the Indian team managment requested these changes they know exactly how the pitch will play. ie the advantages they have are selecting the playing x suited to this pitch and know exactly what they want to do if toss is won. Newzealand don't have this advantage
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But we don’t deserve to win by cheating bro.
As a proud Bharatiya, this is not how i want us to win.
It has to be a fair contest.
I call upon BCCI now to take a back step and agree to play on the pitch as decided by the ICC pitch curator.
I can understand why our kiwi friends are fuming and rightly so @Aman They’re a top team who have made it to semis with sheer hard work. We must respect that
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Funny how the Indians make a mountain of a molehill any news related to pakistan coming from uncredible sources
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Ye those advantages were not enough that the Indian team had to get involved in selecting pitches
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At the end of the day, using such pitches can backfire spectacularly too.
It has happened twice vs Australia in Test cricket when we made square turners.
PAK lost 3-0 when they made pitches to inflate Bobby's averages etc.
NZ can smash us on this pitch as seen in World T20 2016.
It has happened twice vs Australia in Test cricket when we made square turners.
PAK lost 3-0 when they made pitches to inflate Bobby's averages etc.
NZ can smash us on this pitch as seen in World T20 2016.
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Why hasn't the ICC made any statements?
Why have they not taken any action?
Have they started any kind of investigation?
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But for me all these makes no sense as long as both teams are playing in same conditions.
When India loses on SENA tour or WC KOs like they did in past, I blame Indian team for not preparing for all conditions. They are best cricketers in the country and should have skills to perform in all conditions. As simple as that.
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Don't know whats the fuss is about? No rule is broken!!
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There are allegations etc but some posters have posted relevant ICC regulations so this issue will be a non issue
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I hope so because this has been a good World Cup and having this blot on our resume and legacy will be really sad.
Nevertheless it’s something out of the blue and has ruined the mood of many in Bharat who believe in fair contest and supremacy through fair means
Why isn't the ICC in control of the whole thing? It is the ICC WC. They should be dictating everything. If this is SOP, then poor on all people involved/ in charge of the game.
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Look who is getting involved....Why, I wonder?
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BCCI done adjustments in DRS
Special balls are ready for Indian bowlers
……. Coming up allegations
Special balls are ready for Indian bowlers
……. Coming up allegations
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It’s a matter of trust.
ICC put their faith in BCCI and we could not keep it. Honestly it’s disgraceful on our part. We must admit it.
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i think mumbai local staff is issuing complain in pitch no 7 but the icc manager of pitches finds nothing wrong in fresh pitch so thats why the he is complaining, india are good enough to beat nz on any pitch such tactics are not required and kill the fair play. tbh home advantage can be taken in bilateral series not in Odi Wc managed by ICC.
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Murky business it is any point to watch the game now this is not level playing field
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The World Cup is over for Bharat. Even if we win now, no one will call us deserve finalist over New Zealand.
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India + BCCI vs NZ/Aus/SA
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It’s not been a level playing field for far too long.
Countries like Pakistan have been fighting bias for years. If things were fair West Indies, Pakistan and NZ would have been ranked #1, #2 and #3 respectively because they’re the 3 top cricket nations talent and determination wise if all bias is balanced out.
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Ever since Hasan Raza rumbled them with the balls switching, they needed something else to keep their edge.
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Seriously India should have backed their ability even on a flat deck NZ are serial runnerups
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Who cares. The pitch is the same for both teams. Let the better team win
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The only way the reputation of this great game can be saved is if India lose today.
They have tried their best to kill cricket. Hopefully it backfires and our great game can be saved.
They have tried their best to kill cricket. Hopefully it backfires and our great game can be saved.
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We didnt call you deserved finalist before either.
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Pitch is rigged, we lost the toss and now we have to face new ball under lights and Indias spinners after 250 overs.
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Bro we are only semi finalists for now.
Yes you are well within your rights in denying us the honour of being called deserved semi finalists if this is all that we have been doing during round robins.
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Micky Arhtur is such a visionary who said it a month ago that it's not ICC event rather a bCCI event
It was rigged in 2019 when all of a sudden a green top showed up in the SF. Eng didn't want to face India in the final. You can prepare a green top when WC is hosted again in NZ
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Brother in Christ. Your team is deciding which pitch they play their WC games on.
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Deciding which pitches their team plays on lmao
Trust? Really? This 2023, everything must be on paper. Everything must be defined in a set of rules. That is how a professional game, tournament is run.
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Yes but you also think the 2011 World Cup was fixed and Sri Lanka "didn't play their best two bowlers in the final for some reason" although Malinga and Murali both played that game.
Basit Ali was true in saying that WC 2011 wasn't a proper match. Game should have been killed by SL when they got those early wickets
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The Hindu nationalists have politicized cricket to the absurd levels of now doctoring pitches in their team’s favor to further domestic political agendas.
Pathetic but since the ICC has been rendered useless, no recourse can be expected.
Pathetic but since the ICC has been rendered useless, no recourse can be expected.
No they aren't. ICC decides the pitches. Time to stop believing in conspiracy theories. More importantly have faith in your team instead of accepting defeat before the match even began
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try thinking that the whole brouhaha about the pitch might also be the results of misunderstanding between the boards and the media and got blown out of proportion...njoi
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Yes because Yuvraj Dhoni Gautam are Basit Ali level players.
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And the fans were saying India won't change the format of WC if they fail to win
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Gavaskar, Vaughan React To Pitch Change Controversy
Indian cricket great Sunil Gavaskar, reacting to the controversy, said: "The pitch is there for all the teams, so I don't think there should be too much discussion on what this pitch will do or not do. I do believe that this Indian team is perfectly capable of handling any kind of surface. Having you seen that in the tournament so far. And if it's a drier pitch, which is likely to be the case simply because the rains have gone. So there will be there is no hint of any moisture."
"Yes, there will be one which there might be just a little bit of spin, no question about it. But the Mumbai pitch is generally very good for bating, so I don't think there should be too much of an issue. With the kind of bowling that we have, bowlers who have bowled superbly, whether they are bowling first or second, I don't think the pitch would be too much of an issue at all."
"I think this is typically, you know, on the eve of the match when you have nothing to write about and then, you know, you try to say something because you want to fill in your columns, you want to talk about pitches and stuff like that. To me, it doesn't make a difference. If the pitch changes after the toss, they certainly have a conversation. But if the pitch is the same before the toss, I don't think any noise should be made at all," said Gavaskar on India Today.
Former England captain Michael Vaughan also reacted to the controversy, suggesting a fresh pitch should be used for the semi-final.
"A World Cup semi should be played on a fresh pitch .. It's as simple as that .." posted Vaughan on X (formerly Twitter).
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Indian cricket great Sunil Gavaskar, reacting to the controversy, said: "The pitch is there for all the teams, so I don't think there should be too much discussion on what this pitch will do or not do. I do believe that this Indian team is perfectly capable of handling any kind of surface. Having you seen that in the tournament so far. And if it's a drier pitch, which is likely to be the case simply because the rains have gone. So there will be there is no hint of any moisture."
"Yes, there will be one which there might be just a little bit of spin, no question about it. But the Mumbai pitch is generally very good for bating, so I don't think there should be too much of an issue. With the kind of bowling that we have, bowlers who have bowled superbly, whether they are bowling first or second, I don't think the pitch would be too much of an issue at all."
"I think this is typically, you know, on the eve of the match when you have nothing to write about and then, you know, you try to say something because you want to fill in your columns, you want to talk about pitches and stuff like that. To me, it doesn't make a difference. If the pitch changes after the toss, they certainly have a conversation. But if the pitch is the same before the toss, I don't think any noise should be made at all," said Gavaskar on India Today.
Former England captain Michael Vaughan also reacted to the controversy, suggesting a fresh pitch should be used for the semi-final.
"A World Cup semi should be played on a fresh pitch .. It's as simple as that .." posted Vaughan on X (formerly Twitter).
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