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[Report] ICC approves the hybrid model for the Champions Trophy 2025 following an agreement between the PCB and BCCI [Post Updated #4739]

This is going to be another 2009 incident where Pakistan refused to send pakistan players in IPL but after that IPL refused to accept Pakistan players . And we know afterwards pakistan ex players begging them to includes in IPL

Now again India is definitely challenge pakistan bluff about not playing iCC event's matches against india ..

Wait and watch :kp
 
Local.Dada said:
Without money, even Pak cricketers or for the matter of fact any cricketers would not even play for their country. Money is the factor always in sports.
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Money has become a driving factor for modern day players.

It wasn't for players of the past and 60 s and 70 s etc when they were mostly playing for pride of representing their country.
 
Rajdeep said:
You can ask brother @Devadwal ..he is our official BCCI spokesperson here representing us Bhartiyas. After Jay shah, he has most knowledge on this subject.
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Jay shah one Last time to PCB - champion trophy khelna h ya ni

PCB - Jee sir boliye kha or kase karwaye .

End of debate .

Joke aside we will get clear picture in this weekend. :kp
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
Money has become a driving factor for modern day players.

It wasn't for players of the past and 60 s and 70 s etc when they were mostly playing for pride of representing their country.
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And players from 60s and 70s especially the lesser successful ones are working in department stores, driving cabs etc. from other countries. In fact even Indian cricketers from 60s and 70s have only been uplifted in the last 15-20 yrs.
 
Devadwal said:
This is going to be another 2009 incident where Pakistan refused to send pakistan players in IPL but after that IPL refused to accept Pakistan players . And we know afterwards pakistan ex players begging them to includes in IPL

Now again India is definitely challenge pakistan bluff about not playing iCC event's matches against india ..

Wait and watch :kp
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Aren't indian owned franchises in the Caribbean etc signing Pakistan players.

The Indian will be thinking they have to pay the other boards , ICC and broadcasters for the losses incurred.

We all know how indians are famed for spending their money aren't they. :ROFLMAO:
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
Aren't indian owned franchises in the Caribbean etc signing Pakistan players.

The Indian will be thinking they have to pay the other boards , ICC and broadcasters for the losses incurred.

We all know how indians are famed for spending their money aren't they. :ROFLMAO:
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What the hell CPL to with IPL .

IPL is BCCI Products

That's why some information is very useful before starting any discussion .
 
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Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
Aren't indian owned franchises in the Caribbean etc signing Pakistan players.

The Indian will be thinking they have to pay the other boards , ICC and broadcasters for the losses incurred.

We all know how indians are famed for spending their money aren't they. :ROFLMAO:
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Why are you so worried about a billionaire board like India losing some money. If India pulls out of CT or ensures it’s a flop, what do you think will happen to PCB’s money? Already barely your players get played chump change despite being the 2nd biggest cricket market and PCB barely keeps afloat.
 
To be honest I am absolutely fine with India refusing to travel Pakistan. They have all the right to take this decision. They have right to propose hybrid model as well.

But what I am surprised with is the reason they are stating. They should clearly mention we will not play Pakistan due to political tensions between the two countries. But unfortunately they are giving a lame reason of security issue, when all other teams have sent their delegations to assess the security arrangements and have decided to tour Pakistan.

Do whatever you do, but at least be brave enough to speak truth rather than giving lame reasons.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
To be honest I am absolutely fine with India refusing to travel Pakistan. They have all the right to take this decision. They have right to propose hybrid model as well.

But what I am surprised with is the reason they are stating. They should clearly mention we will not play Pakistan due to political tensions between the two countries. But unfortunately they are giving a lame reason of security issue, when all other teams have sent their delegations to assess the security arrangements and have decided to tour Pakistan.

Do whatever you do, but at least be brave enough to speak truth rather than giving lame reasons.
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If English. Australian and other country cricketers were roaming freely in Pakistan and PcB promised presidential security to Indian team you have a point.

However if other teams are getting presedential security Indian team would have 100 times the threat perception.

Even in India, Pak team got top of the line security while others had basic negligible security for the World Cup in India.

Apart from that the political and diplomatic issues you already adviced. At this point I am more confused why you are so confused about this decision. Right or wrong is a different matter.
 
Local.Dada said:
BCCI has always been firm on its stance.

Are Pak players allowed in IPL?

Do bilaterals happen between India and Pak?

Did India travel to Pak for Asia cup?

After Kashmir issue,Is there trade between the 2 countries except for important medication that comes from India?

is England and Australia which also get presidential security have the same threat perception as Indians or Indian team?

Now if a common man like me can have these doubts, I am sure a corporation like PCB technically run by your government should have had the same questions. obviously you are not thinking straight due to emotional attachment to this issue but PCB has 0 excuses and should get 0 sympathies here.
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India should also ban sending other sports teams to Pakistan. I think they should be consistent and be clear.
 
Local.Dada said:
If English. Australian and other country cricketers were roaming freely in Pakistan and PcB promised presidential security to Indian team you have a point.

However if other teams are getting presedential security Indian team would have 100 times the threat perception.

Even in India, Pak team got top of the line security while others had basic negligible security for the World Cup in India.

Apart from that the political and diplomatic issues you already adviced. At this point I am more confused why you are so confused about this decision. Right or wrong is a different matter.
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Haven't mentioned I am confused, but surprised since India is using lame reason here.

If India requires top notch security, more than what others are getting, they can always ask and put conditions with PCB and Pak govt that if so and so things are not done, we will not travel.

But they haven't given any condition or requested for anything. They simply denied to travel stating there is security issue.
 
gazza619 said:
India should also ban sending other sports teams to Pakistan. I think they should be consistent and be clear.
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Ideally they should ban all the team but point is none of them care about those meaningless sports in both of countries .

Same for pakistan they should ban all the trade as they allowed some despite the banned.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
I didn't say the ICC sells Pakistan v india matches.

I said that is the money spinning that broadcasters invest heavily in to recoup and the all cricket boards and ICC profit from.

If Pakistan refuses to play Pakistan v india matches anywhere from now on and takes this stance it will mean your board will have to cover the shortfall for every tournament onwards and the broadcasters will also want to be reimbursed from the original deal.

Where do you think the shortfall is going to be covered from???.
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Indian broadcasters pay huge money for IPL and India home matches much much more than they pay for ICC matches. They re coup all that money.

Indians pay to watch their stars play. Pakistan doesn't matter.

As long as Indians are watching, money will come.

Pakistan will not get a single penny from ICC then. Where will PCB run from?

How will your PSL run if IPL bans anyone who plays PSL that season?

Stop worrying about BCCI they are sitting on cash reserves of $2.5bn.
 
Devadwal said:
Ideally they should ban all the team but point is none of them care about those meaningless sports in both of countries .

Same for pakistan they should ban all the trade as they allowed some despite the banned.
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Thanks brother Devadwal. Pleasure to have a BCCI representation on board.
 
JaDed said:
You asked me that it’s presumption I gave you the time when Pakistan was more prosperous than India and so was PCB and what they did and it wasn’t only cricket also It was 1993
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PCB was never more prosperous. Never. Better team and superstars yes. But not more money.

Both the WCs that were partially held in Pakistan has Indian company bankrolling it.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
Why should the PCB pay compensation for hosting a tournament.???

You've got this wrong.

The indians are refusing to play therefore logic dictates they should pay.

Simple.
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If the tournament in Pakistan is unviable then Pakistan needs to pay up. Other boards should not be losing money because Pakistan is hosting.

If India doesn't play they won't receive their ICC share. But the thing is that India hasn't even signed the MPA. So bcci isn't under any obligation.
 
BCCI is going to easily convince all the other boards to vote against the PCB and to shift the entire ICC tournament out of Pakistan if the PCB doesn't accept the Hybrid model. The PCB doesn't have too many cards, boycotting the ICC and international cricket will be counter productive. The only card they can really play is that they tell the ICC that the Pakistani govt has refused permission to play against India in ICC events given BCCI and Indian govt's policies towards Pakistan therefore they will request the ICC to not put them in groups with India and not to schedule any contests with India in these events, in the event a clash b/w India and Pakistan becomes unavoidable in a semi final or final scenario, the PCB has to make a decision to play or forfeit. PCB is gambling that the revenue share hit the ICC and the other member boards will suffer from in the absence of an Indo Pakistan contest will convince them to listen to the PCB. BCCI on the other hand could convince the other ICC members and assure them no problem, we will allow you to host us in your respective countries for unscheduled ODI-T20 series to reimburse you for your losses.

Overall PCB will suffer financially more in comparison to BCCI who have decent reserves to fall back on. Don't forget that Jay Shah will be the next ICC chairman and he will make life a lot tougher for PCB.

Pakistan needs to play its cards smart and practically and understand what is the eventual goal
 
Savak said:
BCCI is going to easily convince all the other boards to vote against the PCB and to shift the entire ICC tournament out of Pakistan if the PCB doesn't accept the Hybrid model. The PCB doesn't have too many cards, boycotting the ICC and international cricket will be counter productive. The only card they can really play is that they tell the ICC that the Pakistani govt has refused permission to play against India in ICC events given BCCI and Indian govt's policies towards Pakistan therefore they will request the ICC to not put them in groups with India and not to schedule any contests with India in these events, in the event a clash b/w India and Pakistan becomes unavoidable in a semi final or final scenario, the PCB has to make a decision to play or forfeit. PCB is gambling that the revenue share hit the ICC and the other member boards will suffer from in the absence of an Indo Pakistan contest will convince them to listen to the PCB. BCCI on the other hand could convince the other ICC members and assure them no problem, we will allow you to host us in your respective countries for unscheduled ODI-T20 series to reimburse you for your losses.

Overall PCB will suffer financially more in comparison to BCCI who have decent reserves to fall back on. Don't forget that Jay Shah will be the next ICC chairman and he will make life a lot tougher for PCB.

Pakistan needs to play its cards smart and practically and understand what is the eventual goal
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BCCI has reserves of $2.5bn Even without taking a penny from the ICC BCCI can make 100s of millions from IPL and home series.

What is PCBs fall back option?
 
cricketjoshila said:
BCCI has reserves of $2.5bn Even without taking a penny from the ICC BCCI can make 100s of millions from IPL and home series.

What is PCBs fall back option?
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None but what will happen to the other ICC members who are also dependent on ICC handouts and will now face reduced ICC handouts.
 
Savak said:
None but what will happen to the other ICC members who are also dependent on ICC handouts and will now face reduced ICC handouts.
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Depends on how much reduction?

If its less than $35mn it would be fine.

If its more than that BCCI can reduce its share accordingly.

But this will shut out Pakistan completely from ICC events. What will they do?
 
cricketjoshila said:
If the tournament in Pakistan is unviable then Pakistan needs to pay up. Other boards should not be losing money because Pakistan is hosting.

If India doesn't play they won't receive their ICC share. But the thing is that India hasn't even signed the MPA. So bcci isn't under any obligation.
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india has signed to play in the champions trophy as have the others when Pakistan was awarded to host.

Again why should Pakistan pay anything when they are willing to host???.

The onus is on the side refusing.
 
Rashid Latif has made an interesting suggestion i.e. ICC should ban both India and Pakistan from hosting ICC events till they sort their political issues out. Doubt that will happen tho.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Depends on how much reduction?

If its less than $35mn it would be fine.

If its more than that BCCI can reduce its share accordingly.

But this will shut out Pakistan completely from ICC events. What will they do?
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How can the ICC ban Pakistan when Pakistan will cite the reason for the refusal to play India is that they don't have government permission from the Govt of Pakistan?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Indian broadcasters pay huge money for IPL and India home matches much much more than they pay for ICC matches. They re coup all that money.

Indians pay to watch their stars play. Pakistan doesn't matter.

As long as Indians are watching, money will come.

Pakistan will not get a single penny from ICC then. Where will PCB run from?

How will your PSL run if IPL bans anyone who plays PSL that season?

Stop worrying about BCCI they are sitting on cash reserves of $2.5bn.
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The broadcasters pay for the overseas stars you numpty.

Otherwise who cares about watching some indian domestic tournament other than indians.

The indian bubble of we and I will burst soon with people sick and tired on their filthy attitude s.

The ECB chairman Richard Gould has said without Pakistan or india the tournament cant happen.

Not just india which your media platforms make you believe.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
The broadcasters pay for the overseas stars you numpty.

Otherwise who cares about watching some indian domestic tournament other than indians.

The indian bubble of we and I will burst soon with people sick and tired on their filthy attitude s.

The ECB chairman Richard Gould has said without Pakistan or india the tournament cant happen.

Not just india which your media platforms make you believe.
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Broadcasters pay IPL for overseas stars? So Indians watch IPL for overseas stars?

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For instance, television rights for the Indian subcontinent have been sold for Rs 23,575 crore to The Walt Disney Company India owned Star, while the digital rights have been bagged by Viacom18 for Rs 23,758 crore for 410 matches. This is the first time in India when digital rights have fetched more money than the television rights. “

Viacom18 and Times Internet together won the Package D for Rs 1,058 crore. While Viacom18 has Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Caribbean, South Africa, Sub Saharan Africa, UK, Ireland and Continental Europe rights; Times Internet got Middle East and North Africa (MENA) as well as the United States region in their kitty."


Bulk of IPL money comes from India. Indians pay to watch their stars.

You can dream on.

Either CT will happen in a way that Indian team plays or will not happen at all.
 
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Maliq_Mudasir said:
Haven't mentioned I am confused, but surprised since India is using lame reason here.

If India requires top notch security, more than what others are getting, they can always ask and put conditions with PCB and Pak govt that if so and so things are not done, we will not travel.

But they haven't given any condition or requested for anything. They simply denied to travel stating there is security issue.
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They give the reason of security because it is more palatable to other important members of ICC such as ACB and ECB. Obviously they don't wan't to give the genuine reason which is the govt of India considers Pakistan an enemy nation so their main goal is always to prevent any funds reaching Pakistan, either as a nation or individuals.

You can read this directly from the majority of Indian posters here, that is basically the argument they are making.
 
Savak said:
How can the ICC ban Pakistan when Pakistan will cite the reason for the refusal to play India is that they don't have government permission from the Govt of Pakistan?
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Pakistan can decide to play or not play in the tournament. They can also decide if they want to visit xyz country or not.Thats their call.

Pakistan cannot decide who they will play. Nobody can.

If Pakistan refuses to play any team. They will be replaced by someone else.

The more number of matches India plays, more money comes. So why will ICC keep a vacant spot. They will get someone else to play India.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
They give the reason of security because it is more palatable to other important members of ICC such as ACB and ECB. Obviously they don't wan't to give the genuine reason which is the govt of India considers Pakistan an enemy nation so their main goal is always to prevent any funds reaching Pakistan, either as a nation or individuals.

You can read this directly from the majority of Indian posters here, that is basically the argument they are making.
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Surprised to see lot of Indian poster with such a brainwashed radical mindset, nothing different from what I have personally observed in almost all the major cities of India
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Surprised to see lot of Indian poster with such a brainwashed radical mindset, nothing different from what I have personally observed in almost all the major cities of India
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You should not be surprised. I don't want to get too deep into politics on a cricket thread but you just have to look at the ruling party in India. The posters reflect that mindset.
 
Just watched a interview of Najam Sethi with Pakistan news channel .

Anchor asked him ' Who is facing more problems regarding champion trophy situation - India , Pakistan or icc, His instant answer was Pakistan .

He said ICC can shift entire tournaments to South Africa as they have some clause in ICC rule book's.

He added, There is no chance any champion trophy without india and in by case Pakistan boycott there will be havey fine on PCB.

So now Pakistan fans may understand who is facing bigger problem and all the shouting are useless.
 
The only thing the ICC and BCCI can offer to the PCB is a massive bump in revenue from ICC shares, an increase in the hosting fee in exchange for approving the Hybrid model
 
Savak said:
The only thing the ICC and BCCI can offer to the PCB is a massive bump in revenue from ICC shares, an increase in the hosting fee in exchange for approving the Hybrid model
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For hybrid model already is extra budget approved , what's more PCB want from ICC??
 
Devadwal said:
Just watched a interview of Najam Sethi with Pakistan news channel .

Anchor asked him ' Who is facing more problems regarding champion trophy situation - India , Pakistan or icc, His instant answer was Pakistan .

He said ICC can shift entire tournaments to South Africa as they have some clause in ICC rule book's.

He added, There is no chance any champion trophy without india and in by case Pakistan boycott there will be havey fine on PCB.

So now Pakistan fans may understand who is facing bigger problem and all the shouting are useless.
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Brother, if he was still in charge of PCB, he too would have said what current chairman is saying. It's all about opposing current ruling regime. That's how politics work, not matter how good your NaMo sarkar does, will RaGA appreciate or acknowledge the good work? No
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistan can decide to play or not play in the tournament. They can also decide if they want to visit xyz country or not.Thats their call.

Pakistan cannot decide who they will play. Nobody can.

If Pakistan refuses to play any team. They will be replaced by someone else.

The more number of matches India plays, more money comes. So why will ICC keep a vacant spot. They will get someone else to play India.
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PCB is debating forfeiting the Indo Pak contest which they are within their rights to do so and they can cite Govt permission. The ICC cannot kick Pakistan out of the tournament based on the decision made by the Pakistani govt. The Indo Pak match in the T-20 2024 WC generated $25 million, the rest of the games generated $17 million. Can the ICC and other members afford to forgo the revenue generated from the Indo Pak match? BCCI will have to give up their revenues to accommodate the other ICC members
 
Devadwal said:
For hybrid model already is extra budget approved , what's more PCB want from ICC??
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This is about negotiation. The ICC do not want an ICC event without India or Pakistan. They want the Indo Pakistan contest as that will make up 50% of the tournament revenue from sponsors. They will have to come up with a solution which satisfies both parties.

If PCB is smart they will try to get what they can i.e. additional money from the ICC.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Brother, if he was still in charge of PCB, he too would have said what current chairman is saying. It's all about opposing current ruling regime. That's how politics work, not matter how good your NaMo sarkar does, will RaGA appreciate or acknowledge the good work? No
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Unlike us he has enough experience as an PCB chairman and multiple time he already said no one listens Pakistan demands in ICC metting.

ICC= BCC. He just admitted. Now jay Shah is ICC president do you think Pakistan can get any leverage? Absolutely not

So better for pakistan to accept hybrid models and earn the big money instead emotional decision.
 
Devadwal said:
Just watched a interview of Najam Sethi with Pakistan news channel .

Anchor asked him ' Who is facing more problems regarding champion trophy situation - India , Pakistan or icc, His instant answer was Pakistan .

He said ICC can shift entire tournaments to South Africa as they have some clause in ICC rule book's.

He added, There is no chance any champion trophy without india and in by case Pakistan boycott there will be havey fine on PCB.

So now Pakistan fans may understand who is facing bigger problem and all the shouting are useless.
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You may be right, but Pakistan fans are not shouting any more than you are shouting. The goal is to clearly define that Indian policy re cricket is driven by political agenda, not the game itself.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
india has signed to play in the champions trophy as have the others when Pakistan was awarded to host.

Again why should Pakistan pay anything when they are willing to host???.

The onus is on the side refusing.
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No India hasn't signed. India has objected since 2022
Savak said:
PCB is debating forfeiting the Indo Pak contest which they are within their rights to do so and they can cite Govt permission. The ICC cannot kick Pakistan out of the tournament based on the decision made by the Pakistani govt. The Indo Pak match in the T-20 2024 WC generated $25 million, the rest of the games generated $17 million. Can the ICC and other members afford to forgo the revenue generated from the Indo Pak match? BCCI will have to give up their revenues to accommodate the other ICC members
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Can you post a source for the numbers you posted about the T20WC?

Participation in a tournament or visiting a country is dependent on government permission. But government cannot decide which match to play which not to play.
 
Savak said:
PCB is debating forfeiting the Indo Pak contest which they are within their rights to do so and they can cite Govt permission. The ICC cannot kick Pakistan out of the tournament based on the decision made by the Pakistani govt. The Indo Pak match in the T-20 2024 WC generated $25 million, the rest of the games generated $17 million. Can the ICC and other members afford to forgo the revenue generated from the Indo Pak match? BCCI will have to give up their revenues to accommodate the other ICC members
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From my experience, I think India would happily give up those revenues as the bigger losing party will be Pakistan. That is always their ultimate goal, even if it costs them some funds.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You may be right, but Pakistan fans are not shouting any more than you are shouting. The goal is to clearly define that Indian policy re cricket is driven by political agenda, not the game itself.
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Pakistan Never ever succeed if they take panga against BCCI. Bookmark This

Politics is always part of sports .we are not living in ideal World.

Im not shouting but talking in real fact and situation. Pakistan fans are delusion if they think champion trophy will happen in pakistan with or without india. Never
 
Devadwal said:
Pakistan Never ever succeed if they take panga against BCCI. Bookmark This

Politics is always part of sports .we are not living in ideal World.
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Why are you telling me this? I wasn't debating that Pakistan will win any 'panga', I was merely outlining that the reason for India not travelling to Pakistan was not security, that is just a cover story. Your own words betray the real reason is to damage Pakistan financially as much as possible.
 
Devadwal said:
Unlike us he has enough experience as an PCB chairman and multiple time he already said no one listens Pakistan demands in ICC metting.

ICC= BCC. He just admitted. Now jay Shah is ICC president do you think Pakistan can get any leverage? Absolutely not

So better for pakistan to accept hybrid models and earn the big money instead emotional decision.
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Yes Pakistan doesn't hold any ground in world cricket, and India is pushing it back further. Going ahead, things will be become extreme tough for Pakistan with Jay being president. PCB's corruption has made it extremely difficult to compete other boards.

But, everyone has their own time, this shall pass too.

if I was PCB chairman, I would have personally requested India to share the level of security they demand for their players. If India would still believe in 'No talks' then I would leave it upto ICC to take action. In either of the cases (Hybrid or SA) I would have opted out from tournament.
 
Savak said:
This is about negotiation. The ICC do not want an ICC event without India or Pakistan. They want the Indo Pakistan contest as that will make up 50% of the tournament revenue from sponsors. They will have to come up with a solution which satisfies both parties.

If PCB is smart they will try to get what they can i.e. additional money from the ICC.
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Please give a source of this 50 per cent revenue claim.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
if I was PCB chairman, I would have personally requested India to share the level of security they demand for their players. If India would still believe in 'No talks' then I would leave it upto ICC to take action. In either of the cases (Hybrid or SA) I would have opted out from tournament.
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When New Zealand's called of pakistan tour minutes before play , Pakistan did assured them with presidental level security still they were not agreed to Play due to government instructions . Why?
 
cricketjoshila said:
No India hasn't signed. India has objected since 2022


Can you post a source for the numbers you posted about the T20WC?

Participation in a tournament or visiting a country is dependent on government permission. But government cannot decide which match to play which not to play.
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Every board signed that is the reason this situation has arison.

The indians have always claim to play Pakistan in ICC events.

Now because Pakistan is hosting they are coming up with the B S of security as a smoke screen.
 
Devadwal said:
When New Zealand's called of pakistan tour minutes before play , Pakistan did assured them with presidental level security still they were not agreed to Play due to government instructions . Why?
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Pakistan did provide presidential security that's why they landed in Pakistan, stayed and trained till match day. It was a hoax call/email which sparked tension in their camp. If it was any other country other than Pak, NZ would have done same there too.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Pakistan did provide presidential security that's why they landed in Pakistan, stayed and trained till match day. It was a hoax call/email which sparked tension in their camp. If it was any other country other than Pak, NZ would have done same there too.
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Hoex or whatever doesn't not matter but why they did not Play even with presidental level security. Just answer this ..

I asked again bcz you said " if i was PCB chairman I would have personally requested India to share the level of security they demand for their player "

same thing's was said to NZ team still they were not agreed to Play why ?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
They give the reason of security because it is more palatable to other important members of ICC such as ACB and ECB. Obviously they don't wan't to give the genuine reason which is the govt of India considers Pakistan an enemy nation so their main goal is always to prevent any funds reaching Pakistan, either as a nation or individuals.

You can read this directly from the majority of Indian posters here, that is basically the argument they are making.
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Well then pakistan also consider india as enemy nation and even your PCB chairman described as india as a enemy nation in open press also and u told us to believe them that they will give security to Indian players and most importantly the one who is going to provide that presidential security is even more untrustworthy than the PCB chairman guy. We are back stabbed many times by that so called presidential security provider in even more bigger occasions than this. And don't come up with 25 years ago crap story and today is different if we don't learn from it then history will repeat .
 
cricketjoshila said:
My experience on this forum.
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lol! Most Pakistanis desire friendship with India .

Some homework:
1. Check what Pakistan’s leading political parties agenda is regarding India and what they say/said in rallies to get popular vote.
2. Spend some time questioning the narrative you see on Indian media and Bollywood movies.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Getting it @ChennaiFan ? You and WKK approach will not save from the inherent hatred towards India. Don’t drink the DMK koolaid. You’ll be better off for it.
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Inherent hatred for bigotry, just as for ISIS, KKK, or any religious supremacy. As a pretentious atheist you should not have any issue to pretend to hate religious supremacist but we all understand it’s not easy to keep the mask on 24/7. 😉
 
Farabi said:
lol! Most Pakistanis desire friendship with India .

Some homework:
1. Check what Pakistan’s leading political parties agenda is regarding India and what they say/said in rallies to get popular vote.
2. Spend some time questioning the narrative you see on Indian media and Bollywood movie
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You first claim is very bogus and most of Pakistani people's are think same but i always ignored.

This is off topic disscusion but let me tell you few thing .

I'm belong to Rajasthan and we don't give a damn about what Modi or Raga think about Pakistan .

We vote for our development , education , ERCP( East Rajasthan cannel project) and more local problem etc.

Castism is another important point where people choose to vote theirs cast leaders. And slowly people are moving from this point also.

My Entire family never ever given vote for BJP which has more anti Pakistan stand than congress .

Sooner Pakistan understand the reality better for them . Don't always live-in own delusion world.
 
Devadwal said:
You first claim is very bogus and most of Pakistani people's are think same but i always ignored.

This is off topic disscusion but let me tell you few thing .

I'm belong to Rajasthan and we don't give a damn about what Modi or Raga think about Pakistan .

We vote for our development , education , ERCP( East Rajasthan cannel project) and more local problem etc.

Castism is another important point where people choose to vote theirs cast leaders. And slowly people are moving from this point also.

My Entire family never ever given vote for BJP which has more anti Pakistan stand than congress .

Sooner Pakistan understand the reality better for them . Don't always live-in own delusion world.
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Overlooking the bigoted aspect of a leader is supporting his bigoted ambitions. lol
 
Devadwal said:
You first claim is very bogus and most of Pakistani people's are think same but i always ignored.

This is off topic disscusion but let me tell you few thing .

I'm belong to Rajasthan and we don't give a damn about what Modi or Raga think about Pakistan .

We vote for our development , education , ERCP( East Rajasthan cannel project) and more local problem etc.

Castism is another important point where people choose to vote theirs cast leaders. And slowly people are moving from this point also.

My Entire family never ever given vote for BJP which has more anti Pakistan stand than congress .

Sooner Pakistan understand the reality better for them . Don't always live-in own delusion world.
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It’s absolutely true that Pakistanis desire friendship with India. As such Pakistan’s most popular political leaders repeatedly announce that they would improve ties with India if they got elected whether it’s Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan or another party. If such a widespread hate existed against India as some think, then that wouldn’t have been the case.
 
HARKS said:
Well then pakistan also consider india as enemy nation and even your PCB chairman described as india as a enemy nation in open press also and u told us to believe them that they will give security to Indian players and most importantly the one who is going to provide that presidential security is even more untrustworthy than the PCB chairman guy. We are back stabbed many times by that so called presidential security provider in even more bigger occasions than this. And don't come up with 25 years ago crap story and today is different if we don't learn from it then history will repeat .
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But Pakistan has still sent teams to India despite direct security threats in the past. You are wasting your time anyway coming with the security angle, it is your own Indian posters who have been giggling triumphantly at the financial damage India can do to Pakistan and that is the real purpose. I don't know why you are so ashamed to say it openly. Are you not proud of it?
 
sweep_shot said:
LOL!

They behave like spokespersons for BCCI, RAW, Indian military, and government of India.

It is funny at times.
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If this becomes a hybrid model, your Bangla boys also need to travel between Pak and UAE to play India. Remember Ind, Pak, BD and NZ in same group.

However, since your team won't progress after group stage, it will be travelling only once to play India and losing it ofcourse.

:kp
 
Farabi said:
It’s absolutely true that Pakistanis desire friendship with India. As such Pakistan’s most popular political leaders repeatedly announce that they would improve ties with India if they got elected whether it’s Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan or another party. If such a widespread hate existed against India as some think, then that wouldn’t have been the case.
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No appropriate thread to discuss these things but happy to discuss in timepass section .
 
Devadwal said:
Yes Just because sime random Pakistani said this .lol

No one believe on what Pakistan peoples are think about india .
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Then why are you getting out of shape defending a Hindutva cult leader ?

This is Pakistani predominant forum and Pakistani are criticizing a bigoted ideology.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Hindu senator of Pakistan himself said how poorly he was treated.

One of my first interaction on PP was with a poster who openly said, Hindus are not people of the book and cannot be respected.

Just a couple of weeks back posters here openly Said it was their right to question the faith of the Hindus.
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Indian players of Hindu faith were feted and cheered when they last played a bilateral series in Pakistan. I think it is poor show to go down the route of religious hatred, you guys are getting desperate.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
But Pakistan has still sent teams to India despite direct security threats in the past. You are wasting your time anyway coming with the security angle, it is your own Indian posters who have been giggling triumphantly at the financial damage India can do to Pakistan and that is the real purpose. I don't know why you are so ashamed to say it openly. Are you not proud of it?
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On this Pakistan also send its team to India, I want to say something. I have said the same during Asia cup when Pak accepted the hybrid model and came to India for world cup.

India's stance has always been not to send its team to Pakistan, come what may. They have stuck to this decision since 2008. Now you may argue that BCCIs stance is hypocritical bcoz they play Pakistan in other countries and I agree with it. However they are fixated on their stance on sending its team to Pakistan whatever the reason maybe.

Pakistan on the other hand is saying they will send its team to India as long as Indian team is visiting Pakistan...else they wont. It looks like a childish t-i-t for t-a-t approach rather than anything genuine. This is why this excuse don't fly with ICC.

PCB should take one stance and stick to it. If they think they won't send the team to India or won't play any cricket with India, just stick to it irrespective of what India says or does. These conditional approach makes thing worse and dont give that genuine feeling.
 
Rajdeep said:
On this Pakistan also send its team to India, I want to say something. I have said the same during Asia cup when Pak accepted the hybrid model and came to India for world cup.

India's stance has always been not to send its team to Pakistan, come what may. They have stuck to this decision since 2008. Now you may argue that BCCIs stance is hypocritical bcoz they play Pakistan in other countries and I agree with it. However they are fixated on their stance on sending its team to Pakistan whatever the reason maybe.

Pakistan on the other hand is saying they will send its team to India as long as Indian team is visiting Pakistan...else they wont. It looks like a childish t-i-t for t-a-t approach rather than anything genuine. This is why this excuse don't fly with ICC.

PCB should take one stance and stick to it. If they think they won't send the team to India or won't play any cricket with India, just stick to it irrespective of what India says or does. These conditional approach makes thing worse and dont give that genuine feeling.
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I agree with you. Pakistan is wasting everyone's time with their attempts to negotiate a better deal with the Indian govt, because India is not interested in giving any deals which might benefit Pakistan. They would do a deal which could damage Pakistan even further if it was in their power. Pakistan should just go with the best option available which the rest of the ICC can get on board with or boycott altogether.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Indian players of Hindu faith were feted and cheered when they last played a bilateral series in Pakistan. I think it is poor show to go down the route of religious hatred, you guys are getting desperate.
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Pakistani players like Wasim Imran Saqlain Miandad Zaheer etc received widespread adulation in India.

Your point?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistani players like Wasim Imran Saqlain Miandad Zaheer etc received widespread adulation in India.

Your point?
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His point is that people from both sides don’t harbor the same hatred/divide media and politicians try to create/highlight.
Virtually every single Pakistani and Indian cricket players sings praises of how well they were treated in each other’s countries. That shows that media and politicians are lying.
 
HalBass9 said:
lol.

Im not telling you who to support, you have told us that.

You care.
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You’ll just go in circles. This guy knows more about Pakistan cricket, politics and policies than the government of Pakistan itself. From what I can tell he is consuming Pakistani content at dangerous levels.
 
BoomBoomAli said:
Actual developed countries with proper security advisors and experts have all toured Pakistan.
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The security situation is different for different countries. The same developed countries you are talking about, refused to visit Pakistan in the past, but Indian teams toured then. Some of these developed countries also suffered from the islamic terrorism. So, being a developed economy doesn't mean their security posture is perfect.
 
offstump said:
You’ll just go in circles. This guy knows more about Pakistan cricket, politics and policies than the government of Pakistan itself. From what I can tell he is consuming Pakistani content at dangerous levels.
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Oh, they care so much—care enough to say, ‘We won’t travel to Pakistan, but sure, we’ll play against Pakistan,’ instead of just refusing to play them altogether.


And of course, they’ll only refuse to play the Pakistani cricket team if it’s on Pakistani soil.

There will be plenty of laughable excuses, and when those run out, well, every Pakistani can just be labeled a ‘Hindu-hater.’
 
Guys no more political stuff here, to discuss Indo Pak relations we have plenty of threads in TPS
 
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