(Reports) BCCI preparing to abandon Asia Cup & host 5 nation tournament if PCB refuses neutral venue

[Savak]

(Reports) BCCI preparing to abandon Asia Cup & host 5 nation tournament if PCB refuses neutral venue

According to sources, if PCB remains firm on its position regarding the hybrid model, then Asia Cup might not be able to take place this year, and PCB is prepared for it. The possibility of holding the entire event in another country has been rejected by PCB. Sources have revealed that the cricket boards of Sri Lanka and Bangladesh recently made an unofficial attempt to convince Pakistan to hold the Asia Cup at a neutral venue, but it was unsuccessful.

Sri Lanka wants to host the event in their own country and UAE is also ready to stage the Asia Cup again, but PCB maintains that if the issue is not resolved now, the problem will continue in the future and difficulties can also arise in hosting the Champions Trophy in 2025.

On the other hand, BCCI is also prepared for the cancellation of the Asia Cup. They have already started planning for a five-nation tournament, which would be held during the window vacated by the cancellation of Asia Cup.

 

[MenInG]

Lots of bravado from PCB. End result will be a whimper.

 

[CricketZ]

Not looking good for PCB

 

[Energy]

Why can't Asia Cup be held in Pakistan and UAE? And have India play their games in UAE. The Dubai-Karachi travel time is the same as Lahore-Karachi.

The PCB need to think that hosting the Asia Cup with SL/Ban playing in Pakistan is still a bigger deal than not hosting anything at all.

 

[MenInG]

Not looking good for PCB

I don't know why all our PCB Admins talk so much.

Just makes it tough to climbdown later.

 

[MenInG]

Why can't Asia Cup be held in Pakistan and UAE? And have India play their games in UAE. The Dubai-Karachi travel time is the same as Lahore-Karachi.

The PCB need to think that hosting the Asia Cup with SL/Ban playing in Pakistan is still a bigger deal than not hosting anything at all.

Think we are headed in that direction.

 

[Rajdeep]

It will be shame if Asia cup is scrapped as I really like this tournament. All the editions of Asia cup has been super hit since 2012. I think PCB should move the tournament to UAE, like BCCI & SLCB did in 2018 & 2022 editions and keep all the revenues.

One thing I will add though, this notion that if a stand cant be taken now then same issue will appear in 2025 Champions trophy as well is a moot point. India will NEVER travel to play cricket in Pakistan - Asia cup or ICC events dosen't matter. BCCI will simply not be given permission by Indian govt unless relationship between the two countries improve drastically. I know its unfortunate situation and not sure what is the solution but anyone believes Indian cricket team will play CT 2025 in Pakistan is living in parallel world.

 

[sam_ahm]

This is why I was saying that Pakistan withdrawing/boycotting the WC won't matter one bit to the BCCI but the Pakistani fans and people at PCB always live in their fantasy land.

Even CA and ECB can't go against the BCCI, PCB and BCCI is a no contest. It is not about what is right and what is wrong here, it is about adjusting to the situation so that you don't end up damaging your own self.

Regarding 2025 CT, who knows, there are elections in India next year and although BJP remain favourites, you never know until it happens. What if a new govt is formed and they have a different approach towards sporting ties between the countries?

Also CT is an ICC event, so there is every possibility that India will travel to Pakistan for an ICC event. You cannot compare Asia Cup with Champions Trophy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So
India
BD
SL
AFG

And another team will play the 5 nations cup?

 

[Rajdeep]

So
India
BD
SL
AFG

And another team will play the 5 nations cup?

Any other non-Asian team will love to feature in it as a practice tournament before world cup. Aus/Eng/SA/WI - all the boards will be keen to become the 5th side.

 

[gazza619]

I would be happy to see a 4 nation Asia Cup featuring Pakistan, SL, Bangladesh & Afghanistan. All 4 teams are competitive in asian conditions and any team can win.

 

[Asif321]

Nice way to let politics destroy cricket

 

[YousafTheBeast]

If Najam Sethi doesn’t get us out of the Asia Cup and instead agrees to host it in a neutral venue, he’ll go down as the worst chairman in Pakistan cricket history.

Let India play Asia Cup against the other Asian teams, we can use that time to hold an intrasquad tournament in preparation for the WC.

 

[Fenrir]

If India doesn’t want to play in Pakistan then why not invite text another team

 

[zarak]

If Najam Sethi doesn’t get us out of the Asia Cup and instead agrees to host it in a neutral venue, he’ll go down as the worst chairman in Pakistan cricket history.

Let India play Asia Cup against the other Asian teams, we can use that time to hold an intrasquad tournament in preparation for the WC.

The logical answer is that the Asia cup would go ahead without India and in Pakistan. They can't kick us out if our own tourney

 

[heddie19]

This doesn't look good.

 

[sam_ahm]

If Najam Sethi doesn’t get us out of the Asia Cup and instead agrees to host it in a neutral venue, he’ll go down as the worst chairman in Pakistan cricket history.

Let India play Asia Cup against the other Asian teams, we can use that time to hold an intrasquad tournament in preparation for the WC.

Pakistan is boycotting the World Cup also most probably. So what do they prepare for?

 

[CricketingMinds]

Pakistan is boycotting the World Cup also most probably. So what do they prepare for?

If BCCI is going to boycott the Asia Cup and host a 5-Nation Tournament as backup, then if I were Najam Sethi I would immediately start looking for alternatives as well such as a Tri-Series in Pak. The following teams don't have any commitments in Sept: Aus, SA, WI, Zim

Ideally would love to see Pak Aus and SA Tri Series. Great prep for the WC for all 3 teams

 

[Colorblind Genius]

If BCCI is going to boycott the Asia Cup and host a 5-Nation Tournament as backup, then if I were Najam Sethi I would immediately start looking for alternatives as well such as a Tri-Series in Pak. The following teams don't have any commitments in Sept: Aus, SA, WI, Zim

Ideally would love to see Pak Aus and SA Tri Series. Great prep for the WC for all 3 teams

Exactly my thoughts
No need to worry about Asia cup.
If we can hold a tri series in Pak, it will be great.
If not, no problem. Give our players a much needed break from international cricket.

 

[U$ofA]

If I were the PCB, I would go ahead with the Asia cup. Have India play in UAE and rest of the games at home. If push comes to shove, even play all Asia cup in UAE.

Show up for the WC in India. Because I am fairly certain that India will come to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. It being an ICC tournament, the govt. will grant them permission. Pakistan will host an ICC event without issues.

All things resolved!

 

[hitthestump]

Ideally would love to see Pak Aus and SA Tri Series. Great prep for the WC for all 3 teams

There's a little something called politics involved. CA and CSA won't even entertain the thought of upsetting India even slightly.

 

[MenInG]

Contradicting media reports that Asia Cup could be postponed and a parallel tournament, excluding Pakistan, could be played in Dubai in the same window, the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) sources on Monday said that they have not sent out any such proposal to the member nations.

A report in Pakistan media claimed that if PCB will not agree to play Asia Cup at a neutral venue, the tournament could be taken away from the country.

The hosting rights of the 2023 Asia Cup, scheduled to be held in ODI format, are with the Pakistan Cricket Board but BCCI secretary Jay Shah, who is also the ACC chairman, has made it clear that the Indian cricket team will not travel to Pakistan.

The PCB has proposed to host Asia Cup on a 'hybrid model', where Pakistan play their matches on the home soil, while India play at a neutral venue -- in all likelihood Dubai.

It is understood that the BCCI wants the entire tournament to be shifted to the UAE -- which has three grounds in Dubai, Sharjah and Abu Dhabi -- much like the 2018 and 2022 editions when India and Sri Lanka were the tournament hosts.

"There has been exchange of messages but no discussion or proposal to postpone the Asia Cup has been floated," an ACC Board member, privy to discussions on the sidelines of an ICC meet in Dubai, told PTI on the conditions of anonymity.

"Secondly, if the Asia Cup is cancelled, PCB will be intimated first. Nothing of that sort has happened till now. The ACC chairman (Shah) hasn't yet put anything on record.

"To postpone or cancel the event, the ACC will have to call an Executive Board meeting. The chairman (Shah) can call the meeting in seven days (virtual or physical). To date, there is no intimation about any such meeting," the source added.

The ACC source said that, to the best of his knowledge, the last official mail exchange between the PCB, ACC and BCCI was an invitation sent to the Indian team with assurance of highest degree of security and best hospitality.

"But, obviously, it is difficult for India to travel to Pakistan in the current sensitive political environment," he agreed.

The other issue is amount of money the official broadcaster has committed on telecast deals, that includes at least two assured India-Pakistan games. If the two teams make the final, the third game would be a bonanza.

"We must remember the media rights and the agreement with Star Sports, who have paid millions for, at least, two Pakistan vs India matches in the Asia Cup," he said.

It is learnt that when the informal discussion was held between the ACC members about hosting the tournament at neutral venue, the source confirmed that BCCI did get support from Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC).

"Look, if Asia Cup is cancelled after the ACC chairman summons an Executive Board meeting, the ramifications will not just be Pakistan's World Cup participation but also PCB's FTP calendar and bilateral relations with Sri Lanka, Afghanistan or Bangladesh.

"The situation is still very fluid," the source said.

Rediff

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The logical answer is that the Asia cup would go ahead without India and in Pakistan. They can't kick us out if our own tourney

That’s not going to happen, the ACC would rather have India in the Asia cup than Pakistan if it had to choose between one.

The BCCI has the power to persuade the other teams not to go to Pakistan as well. So, the decision should be made now, back out and either get a try series going or a local tourney.

Pakistan is boycotting the World Cup also most probably. So what do they prepare for?

No chance, if we boycott an ICC event knowing that we’ll be hosting one in a couple of years then how would we expect India to come?

 

[msb314]

Think we are headed in that direction.

Wasn’t this hybrid model the original proposal? Then why does this issue continue to drag on?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The logical answer is that the Asia cup would go ahead without India and in Pakistan. They can't kick us out if our own tourney

Its not your tournament. Its an ACC tournament and pakistan is only the host.

 

[zarak]

Its not your tournament. Its an ACC tournament and pakistan is only the host.

Yes, so that is what I meant. Why hold a parallel Asia Cup without Pakistan. Just go as planned without India. We understand everyone else can come but they can't. So be it.

 

[Ami]

Play the tournament in Pakistan without India...and then go to India for the World Cup and win it.

 

[Caved12]

BCCI has been on a mission to kill international cricket for the past few years

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, so that is what I meant. Why hold a parallel Asia Cup without Pakistan. Just go as planned without India. We understand everyone else can come but they can't. So be it.

And without India are the other boards ready to play?

 

[zarak]

And without India are the other boards ready to play?

I don't know mate. Just talking about the ethics of it. Playing in India would financially suit other boards. But seems ethically odd because what did we do wrong.

 

[Savak]

I don't know why all our PCB Admins talk so much.

Just makes it tough to climbdown later.

So the PCB should compromise and completely give up on hosting the Asia Cup in Pakistan and bow down to BCCI's dictats? What will prevent other teams from not making similar demands on international tournaments and billateral contests in Pakistan down the line? The PCB has the hosting rights to the Champions Trophy in 2025 where it will face the same demands from the BCCI as well.

 

[Savak]

The PCB has been badly let down by the other Asian boards i.e. Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan who have done nothing to support the PCB. In fact the Sri Lankans even tried to take the hosting rights away from Pakistan. Namak Haram Cricket Boards who unethically use the PCB whenever they want but never morally return the favour when the PCB needs them.

 

[Savak]

This is why I was saying that Pakistan withdrawing/boycotting the WC won't matter one bit to the BCCI but the Pakistani fans and people at PCB always live in their fantasy land.

Even CA and ECB can't go against the BCCI, PCB and BCCI is a no contest. It is not about what is right and what is wrong here, it is about adjusting to the situation so that you don't end up damaging your own self.

Regarding 2025 CT, who knows, there are elections in India next year and although BJP remain favourites, you never know until it happens. What if a new govt is formed and they have a different approach towards sporting ties between the countries?

Also CT is an ICC event, so there is every possibility that India will travel to Pakistan for an ICC event. You cannot compare Asia Cup with Champions Trophy.

Indians need to understand the amount of domestic pressure Najam Sethi is under. PML N and Sethi bowing down to BCCI's demands will be election suicide which will be exploited by the opposition.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

What is principled stance here for BCCI? Is there any or they just want to flex their clout over other asian nations? I mean its fine Indian team does nt want to come to Pakistan.. but whats the solution? We hold asia cup at neutral venue.. travel to india for wc? And then get refused for CT 2025 as well.. it seems like BCCI is hell bent on destroying Pakistan cricket... and then you refuse to play in hubrid model as well.. no solution is acceptable to BCCI? So just flex your clout.. thats the only thing BCCI is doing.. back in days when SENA countries had more influence.. things were not that much out of line the way BCCI is behaving

 

[mazkhan]

This is all theatrical stance by sethi

He will cave in and the tournament will be in uae and pakistan will be going to India for the world cup.

He's not stupid boycotting will be financially ruinous money and power talks at the end of day and bcci is in the driving seat on that matter.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What is principled stance here for BCCI? Is there any or they just want to flex their clout over other asian nations? I mean its fine Indian team does nt want to come to Pakistan.. but whats the solution? We hold asia cup at neutral venue.. travel to india for wc? And then get refused for CT 2025 as well.. it seems like BCCI is hell bent on destroying Pakistan cricket... and then you refuse to play in hubrid model as well.. no solution is acceptable to BCCI? So just flex your clout.. thats the only thing BCCI is doing.. back in days when SENA countries had more influence.. things were not that much out of line the way BCCI is behaving

Cricket was much better when Australia and England were controlling it. Even since BCCI got the power and money due to India's population, they have been trying too hard to bully other boards.

 

[Savak]

This is all theatrical stance by sethi

He will cave in and the tournament will be in uae and pakistan will be going to India for the world cup.

He's not stupid boycotting will be financially ruinous money and power talks at the end of day and bcci is in the driving seat on that matter.

PML N and Sethi caving in will be election suicide for them.

 

[RehanG]

Asia cup should go ahead in Pakistan. Without India.

In return Pakistan should not play this years WC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't know mate. Just talking about the ethics of it. Playing in India would financially suit other boards. But seems ethically odd because what did we do wrong.

Ethics dont come here.

Tell me what did BCCI do ethically wrong when PCB and Ehsan Mani tried to shift the 2011 WC out of India, saying India is unsafe.

 

[zarak]

Ethics dont come here.

Tell me what did BCCI do ethically wrong when PCB and Ehsan Mani tried to shift the 2011 WC out of India, saying India is unsafe.

Nothing. Which is why it rightfully went ahead. What's your point?

I like to look at the ethics of things.

 

[Major]

some very ridiculous posts here.

Why should Pakistan be hosting this at neutral grounds?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nothing. Which is why it rightfully went ahead. What's your point?

I like to look at the ethics of things.

It was held in India because BCCI put its foot down. And ICC still paid PCB its share of hosting fees.

 

[zarak]

It was held in India because BCCI put its foot down. And ICC still paid PCB its share of hosting fees.

Ok

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Too much posturing. Let's just play cricket.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Indian cricket team WILL NOT play in pakistan , Pakistan should simply refuse to play this years Asia Cup and should not travel to india for Asia cup.

But this all means nothing because will play world cup in India.

Last time a world cup was played in pakistan was in 1996. It was co hosted by india as well. 2011 was played in india and as things were not good in pakistan so there was no chance of co hosting.

Things have been good in pakistan for few years now , if pakistan was safe why didnt pakistan get a few world cup matches this year?

 

[Stewie]

i would welcome triangular and other tournaments involving more than 3 teams. they used to be great back in the 80s and 90s.

Much better than these idiotic T20 leagues these days.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

It was held in India because BCCI put its foot down. And ICC still paid PCB its share of hosting fees.

Why BCCI can't accept hybrid model offered by PCB? Travelling from Karachi to Dubai is same as travelling to Lahore from Karachi.. even within india when wc will be held , travel time could be much more between venues.. surely that cant be the excuse? PCB has also offered to take extra cost of logistics on their end.. so what exactly is BCCI's problem? It does look like they have beef with PCB of some unknown reasons... and BCCI is just hiding behind political tensions

 

[Savak]

According to a few senior sports reporters, the PCB had offered to host the entire Asia Cup in Lahore and India's games exclusively in Dubai and even proved with numbers that the costs were minuscle and every members share of the tournament would be unaffected. There was no reason for the BCCI to reject this proposal but it is very clear that BCCI's motives are clearly ulterior and nefarious and they want to annoy the PCB and look to show case their financial might, clout and embarrass, humiliate the PCB as much as possible

 

[hitthestump]

The PCB has been badly let down by the other Asian boards i.e. Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan who have done nothing to support the PCB. In fact the Sri Lankans even tried to take the hosting rights away from Pakistan. Namak Haram Cricket Boards who unethically use the PCB whenever they want but never morally return the favour when the PCB needs them.

Why should the other boards support Pakistan? What has Pakistan done for them compared to India?

If push comes to shove there are no niceties in cricket just like anything else. The boards will act in their own best interests.

India will do a lot more for these boards then Pakistan ever could.

 

[SentOff]

So let me get this straight.

1. BCCI refuses to play in Pakistan and Pakistan was not ready to lose the hosting rights of Asia Cup.

2. India says they will not play in Pakistan will play their games at a neutral venue and the rest of the tournament can be played in Pakistan. Pakistan call their bluff and agree and all other stakeholders are also on board.

3. Now India has come and said they don't want the tournament to take place in Pakistan at all.

I understand India has more bargaining power than anyone else in the cricketing world but how many more times will we see the same script play out? I remember something very similar happened when a MOU was signed and Pakistan visited India expecting reciprocity only for India to pull out.

 

[Savak]

Why should the other boards support Pakistan? What has Pakistan done for them compared to India?

If push comes to shove there are no niceties in cricket just like anything else. The boards will act in their own best interests.

India will do a lot more for these boards then Pakistan ever could.

Just to name a few, Pakistan were one of the few sides who were willing to play in Sri Lanka in the 90's when Western teams were boycotting Sri Lanka when the Tamil Tigers Civil War was at its peak.

Pakistan campaigned very hard with the ICC to get them ICC test status, same is the case with Afghanistan, Pakistan has hosted Afghanistan's cricketers, allowed them access to their domestic cricket, training facilities when the conflict in Afghanistan meant that these players didn't have a proper platform or foundation and not to mention the recent abandonment of the ODI series by Australia and the PCB agreed to help out Afghanistan by sending their team.

 

[Suleiman]

Just to name a few, Pakistan were one of the few sides who were willing to play in Sri Lanka in the 90's when Western teams were boycotting Sri Lanka when the Tamil Tigers Civil War was at its peak.

Pakistan campaigned very hard with the ICC to get them ICC test status, same is the case with Afghanistan, Pakistan has hosted Afghanistan's cricketers, allowed them access to their domestic cricket, training facilities when the conflict in Afghanistan meant that these players didn't have a proper platform or foundation and not to mention the recent abandonment of the ODI series by Australia and the PCB agreed to help out Afghanistan by sending their team.

Yep. Agreed. It’s pathetic. Afghanistan cricket has to thank Pakistan as a lot of their players got their foundation in Pak. Using Pakistani facilities. Everyone knows the brotherly relationship PCB has with the SLC.

Everyone is just afraid of BCCI, including ICC. BCCI knows it, that’s why they are willing to act petty.

 

[hitthestump]

Just to name a few, Pakistan were one of the few sides who were willing to play in Sri Lanka in the 90's when Western teams were boycotting Sri Lanka when the Tamil Tigers Civil War was at its peak.

Pakistan campaigned very hard with the ICC to get them ICC test status, same is the case with Afghanistan, Pakistan has hosted Afghanistan's cricketers, allowed them access to their domestic cricket, training facilities when the conflict in Afghanistan meant that these players didn't have a proper platform or foundation and not to mention the recent abandonment of the ODI series by Australia and the PCB agreed to help out Afghanistan by sending their team.

Ultimately it is irrelevant. What can Pakistan do for them now? Not much and certainly nothing compared to India. Nobody in their right mind would risk their business for a few past sentiments.

Pakistan is also in no position to boycott any of these boards, whereas India can punish them very severely.

In any case none of the boards in question are exactly betraying the PCB. They have zero involvement in this feud. There is nothing wrong with them acting in their own best interests, which in this case will fully align with whatever India wants.

 

[Hitman]

Just to name a few, Pakistan were one of the few sides who were willing to play in Sri Lanka in the 90's when Western teams were boycotting Sri Lanka when the Tamil Tigers Civil War was at its peak.

Pakistan campaigned very hard with the ICC to get them ICC test status, same is the case with Afghanistan, Pakistan has hosted Afghanistan's cricketers, allowed them access to their domestic cricket, training facilities when the conflict in Afghanistan meant that these players didn't have a proper platform or foundation and not to mention the recent abandonment of the ODI series by Australia and the PCB agreed to help out Afghanistan by sending their team.

Sri Lanka is one of the few teams to tour Pakistan after what happened to them in 2009, when no other team apart from some minnows were touring Pakistan and that too due to the lure of extra incentives that the PCB provided them with.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

That is why I keep saying pcb should boycott the wc to teach a lesson for life to BCCI

 

[Suleiman]

That is why I keep saying pcb should boycott the wc to teach a lesson for life to BCCI

What lesson will that teach? BCCI loses nothing. ICC won’t do a thing, nor will the other nations. PCB will lose money. They’re already struggling to hold the interest in cricket of the common man, they’re doing nothing to invest in the cricketing future of the country save for what is more or less a tamasha league held annually with benefits in t20 cricket primarily only and giving young guys some exposure, that’s it.

PCB loses this battle short term. Only way to win long term is to follow in BCCI’s footsteps, become independently successful, and then a time will come to stick it to them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just to name a few, Pakistan were one of the few sides who were willing to play in Sri Lanka in the 90's when Western teams were boycotting Sri Lanka when the Tamil Tigers Civil War was at its peak.

Pakistan campaigned very hard with the ICC to get them ICC test status, same is the case with Afghanistan, Pakistan has hosted Afghanistan's cricketers, allowed them access to their domestic cricket, training facilities when the conflict in Afghanistan meant that these players didn't have a proper platform or foundation and not to mention the recent abandonment of the ODI series by Australia and the PCB agreed to help out Afghanistan by sending their team.

India also visited SL during the 90s.

Australia refused to go to SL for the 1996 WC. But few months later arrived in Colombo to play a Quadrangular with SL Zim and India. Wonder who convinced them.

Every time SL board needed financial assistance, India toured them.

Afghanistan were given 3 grounds in India to play train and host matches. Afghanistan received their test status in 2017. The ICC chairman was an Indian and BCCI managed the board. Afghanistan played their first test vs India.

Bangladesh received its test status under Dalmiya who was instrumental in getting the test status for BD.

So this notion that PCB is the only board that has helped others is wrong. BCCI has done perhaps more.

 

[sam_ahm]

I'm not defending BCCI here but PCB's statements that the hybrid model will have to be followed for WC as well might have ****** off the BCCI and rightly so because then they are setting a wrong precedence. Otherwise I think hybrid model (as stupid as it was) could have worked for the Asia Cup.

Overall I do agree that India should travel to Pakistan and play cricket, as long as there are no security issues, as simple as that. We play them in every other sporting event but because of this current government we seperate cricket for some reason.

 

[Savak]

I'm not defending BCCI here but PCB's statements that the hybrid model will have to be followed for WC as well might have ****** off the BCCI and rightly so because then they are setting a wrong precedence. Otherwise I think hybrid model (as stupid as it was) could have worked for the Asia Cup.

Overall I do agree that India should travel to Pakistan and play cricket, as long as there are no security issues, as simple as that. We play them in every other sporting event but because of this current government we seperate cricket for some reason.

PCB had been taking BCCIs dictats for the last 14-15 years and their hands were tied because no team was willing to play in Pakistan.

However in the last 6-7 years the PCB has held many seasons of PSL and has hosted the likes of Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa, West Indies, Australia, England, New Zealand and hence forth the PCB demands for India to tour is now justified.

If India wants to stick to the governments stance that they are not allowed to play in Pakistan then that is fine but then they will have to play their games on neutral turf wheras all other teams will play in Pakistan. PCB's successfully hosting the Asia Cup in Pakistan will further enhance its case for hosting the Champions Trophy in 2025.

PCB rightfully sees the long picture and ramifications of bowing down to the BCCI and therefore is rightfully sticking to their guns.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm not defending BCCI here but PCB's statements that the hybrid model will have to be followed for WC as well might have ****** off the BCCI and rightly so because then they are setting a wrong precedence. Otherwise I think hybrid model (as stupid as it was) could have worked for the Asia Cup.

Overall I do agree that India should travel to Pakistan and play cricket, as long as there are no security issues, as simple as that. We play them in every other sporting event but because of this current government we seperate cricket for some reason.

Which event do we play Pakistan bilaterally or travel to Pakistan?

Cricket was suspended in 2008, by the congress government.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB had been taking BCCIs dictats for the last 14-15 years and their hands were tied because no team was willing to play in Pakistan.

However in the last 6-7 years the PCB has held many seasons of PSL and has hosted the likes of Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa, West Indies, Australia, England, New Zealand and hence forth the PCB demands for India to tour is now justified.

If India wants to stick to the governments stance that they are not allowed to play in Pakistan then that is fine but then they will have to play their games on neutral turf wheras all other teams will play in Pakistan. PCB's successfully hosting the Asia Cup in Pakistan will further enhance its case for hosting the Champions Trophy in 2025.

PCB rightfully sees the long picture and ramifications of bowing down to the BCCI and therefore is rightfully sticking to their guns.

PCB tried to move the WC out of India in 2011.
PCB sued BCCI for a non existent MoU.
PCB tried to sabotage IPL.
Erstwhile PCB chairman Ehsan Mani mooted the idea of IPL being taken over by ICC.
PCB forcefully took the hosting fees for the 2011 WC despite not being hosts else they had threatened to move court and stop the tournament. Even though no country was willing to travel to Pakistan.

PCB has tried enough of its antics, unfortunately for them, most failed.

Other teams toured Pakistan between 1999 to 2008, Aussies refused. What was the PCB stance then? And how is BCCI stance any different than Australia's?

There is no Asia cup or Champions trophy without India. Thats a fact. PCB cannot change this unless they are willing to compensate for the financial loss due to India's absence.

 

[light]

These two boards are the most annoying cricket board in the history of cricket. Bruh get on with it, I don't give a rat's **** where it's played. As a fan, I don't care what the reason is. Play it in neutral venue or not, I don't gain money/loose money. The only thing I loose is not getting to watch cricket. Host it in SL or better, go play it in BD again. They do a banger of a job hosting ASIA CUP. Poor Nepal finally won a place in the Asia Cup after beating UAE and you're telling me they can't play it now? I am pumped for this asia cup and I want to see it happen.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB should simply tell the ACC that they will compensate them financially

If Asia cup is held without India

Or

If Asia cup is held in a hybrid model PCB will bear the extra expenses.

Let ACC pass the usual budget and PCB make up the difference.

 

[boomboomcheema]

India should travel to Pakistan . As it is there are only a few countries that play Cricket, on top of that India always doing drama.. all the other countries are travelling to Pakistan, and so should India. This is not a Bi Lateral series which India can choose to refuse

 

[NishanKonar]

I actually blame Ramiz Raja for all this. He kept making stupid bombastic statements against BCCI when he was PCB chief. and ruined relations with BCCI

Now its tough for PCB to do a climbdown and obviously BCCI is in no mood to do them any favors. Why wud BCCI help you when ur own chief keeps taking potshots every time. Pakistan needs to understand that talking big without substance will lead to nothing but humiliation

Its like how Pakistan govt keep screaming & abusing IMF - as if its IMF who needs a bailout !

 

[boomboomcheema]

I actually blame Ramiz Raja for all this. He kept making stupid bombastic statements against BCCI when he was PCB chief. and ruined relations with BCCI

Now its tough for PCB to do a climbdown and obviously BCCI is in no mood to do them any favors. Why wud BCCI help you when ur own chief keeps taking potshots every time. Pakistan needs to understand that talking big without substance will lead to nothing but humiliation

Its like how Pakistan govt keep screaming & abusing IMF - as if its IMF who needs a bailout !

Agree and lot of dumb Pakistani fans were appreciating Rameez for his stupid statements and praising him for being a "Tough Guy " who gave it back to the BCCI. Him and his Boss Imran Khan another populist, the man who got him the job also did his best to ruin relations with India to play to the masses. Now I can understand why BCCI and Indian government will return the favour with interest.

Sethi is a more matured guy hopefully he can struck a deal for the benefit of PCB and pacify BCCI .

 

[sam_ahm]

Which event do we play Pakistan bilaterally or travel to Pakistan?

Cricket was suspended in 2008, by the congress government.

No, they played a 6 match series in 2012/13 season when Pakistan toured India and I think things could have got better between the boards if not for the change in government. Anyways I won't make this a political discussion.

Yes, I do agree India have never toured Pakistan after the 2008 Asia Cup but that's also because earlier Pakistan was not hosting any games at home. Now, things have changed and at least for the ICC and ACC events travelling to Pak should not be an Issue unless there is a security concern.

 

[NishanKonar]

Agree and lot of dumb Pakistani fans were appreciating Rameez for his stupid statements and praising him for being a "Tough Guy " who gave it back to the BCCI. Him and his Boss Imran Khan another populist, the man who got him the job also did his best to ruin relations with India to play to the masses. Now I can understand why BCCI and Indian government will return the favour with interest.

Sethi is a more matured guy hopefully he can struck a deal for the benefit of PCB and pacify BCCI .

Najam Sethi is sensible guy but his hands are tied due to Ramiz Raja's inanities. If Sethi does a compromise - Ramiz will rant on Youtube and call Sethi a sellout and many Pakistanis will hail Ramiz as a hero who stood up to BCCI !

Pakistan needs sensible leadership ( true for the govt as well ). People who are good at rhetoric - whether its Ramiz Raja or Imran Khan - sound cool and motivating but in the long run they wont deliver any substance

Remember Imran Khan's so called " amazing speech " at the UN on Kashmir. Did it result in anything for Kashmir. Absolutely No. It only made India more intransigent and now India does not even bother talking to Pakistan anywhere ! But for a brief while it made many Pakistanis happy

 

[nextover666666]

I actually blame Ramiz Raja for all this. He kept making stupid bombastic statements against BCCI when he was PCB chief. and ruined relations with BCCI

Now its tough for PCB to do a climbdown and obviously BCCI is in no mood to do them any favors. Why wud BCCI help you when ur own chief keeps taking potshots every time. Pakistan needs to understand that talking big without substance will lead to nothing but humiliation

Its like how Pakistan govt keep screaming & abusing IMF - as if its IMF who needs a bailout !

Rameez did the right thing he took a stand on BCCI bully behaviour.

 

[nextover666666]

PCB tried to move the WC out of India in 2011.
PCB sued BCCI for a non existent MoU.
PCB tried to sabotage IPL.
Erstwhile PCB chairman Ehsan Mani mooted the idea of IPL being taken over by ICC.
PCB forcefully took the hosting fees for the 2011 WC despite not being hosts else they had threatened to move court and stop the tournament. Even though no country was willing to travel to Pakistan.

PCB has tried enough of its antics, unfortunately for them, most failed.

Other teams toured Pakistan between 1999 to 2008, Aussies refused. What was the PCB stance then? And how is BCCI stance any different than Australia's?

There is no Asia cup or Champions trophy without India. Thats a fact. PCB cannot change this unless they are willing to compensate for the financial loss due to India's absence.

Do you have any facts for your claims about these so called antics

 

[heddie19]

pcb tried to move the wc out of india in 2011.
Pcb sued bcci for a non existent mou.
Pcb tried to sabotage ipl.
Erstwhile pcb chairman ehsan mani mooted the idea of ipl being taken over by icc.
Pcb forcefully took the hosting fees for the 2011 wc despite not being hosts else they had threatened to move court and stop the tournament. Even though no country was willing to travel to pakistan.

Pcb has tried enough of its antics, unfortunately for them, most failed.

Other teams toured pakistan between 1999 to 2008, aussies refused. What was the pcb stance then? And how is bcci stance any different than australia's?

There is no asia cup or champions trophy without india. Thats a fact. Pcb cannot change this unless they are willing to compensate for the financial loss due to india's absence.

no wc without pakistan too, son.

 

[Major]

PCB should simply tell the ACC that they will compensate them financially

If Asia cup is held without India

Or

If Asia cup is held in a hybrid model PCB will bear the extra expenses.

Let ACC pass the usual budget and PCB make up the difference.

issue is india not pakistan.

Pakistan is host they decide whether to play in rawalpindi, lahore or karachi. If India doesnt want to come, thats there issue

 

[Major]

PCB tried to move the WC out of India in 2011.
PCB sued BCCI for a non existent MoU.
PCB tried to sabotage IPL.
Erstwhile PCB chairman Ehsan Mani mooted the idea of IPL being taken over by ICC.
PCB forcefully took the hosting fees for the 2011 WC despite not being hosts else they had threatened to move court and stop the tournament. Even though no country was willing to travel to Pakistan.

PCB has tried enough of its antics, unfortunately for them, most failed.

Other teams toured Pakistan between 1999 to 2008, Aussies refused. What was the PCB stance then? And how is BCCI stance any different than Australia's?

There is no Asia cup or Champions trophy without India. Thats a fact. PCB cannot change this unless they are willing to compensate for the financial loss due to India's absence.

Pakistan were co host for 2011
MOU existed, zaka ashraf signed, PCB lost the case because the MOU stated that govt permission was required for tours
PCB never tired to sabotage IPL, PCB pulled out due to security reasons
How is a moot a bad thing?

PCB was the co host, India recently hosted the World T20 in UAE, how is that different to what PCB did? If PCB was not given option of co hosting the event in UAE, they were given the due share as they were on the right.

Security situation during the 2000s and now is different, plus Pakistan never gave presidential security in the past. And all teams have toured except for India.

The last sentence is not a fact. India

 

[Major]

These two boards are the most annoying cricket board in the history of cricket. Bruh get on with it, I don't give a rat's **** where it's played. As a fan, I don't care what the reason is. Play it in neutral venue or not, I don't gain money/loose money. The only thing I loose is not getting to watch cricket. Host it in SL or better, go play it in BD again. They do a banger of a job hosting ASIA CUP. Poor Nepal finally won a place in the Asia Cup after beating UAE and you're telling me they can't play it now? I am pumped for this asia cup and I want to see it happen.

Agree and lot of dumb Pakistani fans were appreciating Rameez for his stupid statements and praising him for being a "Tough Guy " who gave it back to the BCCI. Him and his Boss Imran Khan another populist, the man who got him the job also did his best to ruin relations with India to play to the masses. Now I can understand why BCCI and Indian government will return the favour with interest.

Sethi is a more matured guy hopefully he can struck a deal for the benefit of PCB and pacify BCCI .

What lesson will that teach? BCCI loses nothing. ICC won’t do a thing, nor will the other nations. PCB will lose money. They’re already struggling to hold the interest in cricket of the common man, they’re doing nothing to invest in the cricketing future of the country save for what is more or less a tamasha league held annually with benefits in t20 cricket primarily only and giving young guys some exposure, that’s it.

PCB loses this battle short term. Only way to win long term is to follow in BCCI’s footsteps, become independently successful, and then a time will come to stick it to them.

You guys are not understanding the reason behind this.

PCB doesnt care about Asia Cup. No one does, its an irrelevant tournament. Issue is that Pakistan now has hosting rights for the next Champions trophy. Pakistan wants to host that in Pakistan, get better sponsors and make a buck and also show the world that Pakistan is safe and Pakistan can bid for more ICC events.

Now to be able to host Champions trophy, PCB needs to host a small tournament like Asia Cup, purpose being PCB wants to show two things. They can host a tournament by catering multiple teams, and that India shows up.

India not showing up sabotages Pakistans who plan. Its funny how [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] is crying about PCB sabotaging BCCI when infact BCCI and India does the same thing.

If India doesnt show up to pakistan for Asia Cup, Pakistan will have to boycott the world cup. Because the ICC is not intervening, they allow BCCI whatever they want to. If Pakistan boycotts the World Cup, and ICC faces losses from the potential money the could had made, than by 2025 Champions trophy, it is hoped that ICC will toughen up and make sure that all teams are properly travelling to other countries.

PCB is not required to cater to India by having these hybrid models for one team. It will start a precedence as [MENTION=99723]boomboomcheema[/MENTION] has said.

 

[the Great Khan]

You guys are not understanding the reason behind this.

PCB doesnt care about Asia Cup. No one does, its an irrelevant tournament. Issue is that Pakistan now has hosting rights for the next Champions trophy. Pakistan wants to host that in Pakistan, get better sponsors and make a buck and also show the world that Pakistan is safe and Pakistan can bid for more ICC events.

Now to be able to host Champions trophy, PCB needs to host a small tournament like Asia Cup, purpose being PCB wants to show two things. They can host a tournament by catering multiple teams, and that India shows up.

India not showing up sabotages Pakistans who plan. Its funny how [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] is crying about PCB sabotaging BCCI when infact BCCI and India does the same thing.

If India doesnt show up to pakistan for Asia Cup, Pakistan will have to boycott the world cup. Because the ICC is not intervening, they allow BCCI whatever they want to. If Pakistan boycotts the World Cup, and ICC faces losses from the potential money the could had made, than by 2025 Champions trophy, it is hoped that ICC will toughen up and make sure that all teams are properly travelling to other countries.

PCB is not required to cater to India by having these hybrid models for one team. It will start a precedence as [MENTION=99723]boomboomcheema[/MENTION] has said.

Totally agree and finally a sensible post on this thread.

It's all about the champs trophy. Hindustan is hellbent on damaging Pakistan and Pakistan cricket and this is just another way for them to try. It betrays their neech soach and hurkatain.

 

[anakwalajinn]

Hope the Asia Cup happens. Excited to see Nepal finally play an ODI against Pakistan. Have been following the team for more than a decade araskhadka :khadka aras

 

[CricVet]

The world seldom has ran on principles. Might is right has been the case and will always be. The principles are applied among the mighty equal powers. The only way Pak will get its ways if it is politically stable and financially strong. Until then, PCB can whine all it wants, ICC or BCCI [same thing] won't provide any favors.

 

[nextover666666]

You guys are not understanding the reason behind this.

PCB doesnt care about Asia Cup. No one does, its an irrelevant tournament. Issue is that Pakistan now has hosting rights for the next Champions trophy. Pakistan wants to host that in Pakistan, get better sponsors and make a buck and also show the world that Pakistan is safe and Pakistan can bid for more ICC events.

Now to be able to host Champions trophy, PCB needs to host a small tournament like Asia Cup, purpose being PCB wants to show two things. They can host a tournament by catering multiple teams, and that India shows up.

India not showing up sabotages Pakistans who plan. Its funny how [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] is crying about PCB sabotaging BCCI when infact BCCI and India does the same thing.

If India doesnt show up to pakistan for Asia Cup, Pakistan will have to boycott the world cup. Because the ICC is not intervening, they allow BCCI whatever they want to. If Pakistan boycotts the World Cup, and ICC faces losses from the potential money the could had made, than by 2025 Champions trophy, it is hoped that ICC will toughen up and make sure that all teams are properly travelling to other countries.

PCB is not required to cater to India by having these hybrid models for one team. It will start a precedence as [MENTION=99723]boomboomcheema[/MENTION] has said.

Your spot on Major

 

[shah9425]

You guys are not understanding the reason behind this.

PCB doesnt care about Asia Cup. No one does, its an irrelevant tournament. Issue is that Pakistan now has hosting rights for the next Champions trophy. Pakistan wants to host that in Pakistan, get better sponsors and make a buck and also show the world that Pakistan is safe and Pakistan can bid for more ICC events.

Now to be able to host Champions trophy, PCB needs to host a small tournament like Asia Cup, purpose being PCB wants to show two things. They can host a tournament by catering multiple teams, and that India shows up.

India not showing up sabotages Pakistans who plan. Its funny how [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] is crying about PCB sabotaging BCCI when infact BCCI and India does the same thing.

If India doesnt show up to pakistan for Asia Cup, Pakistan will have to boycott the world cup. Because the ICC is not intervening, they allow BCCI whatever they want to. If Pakistan boycotts the World Cup, and ICC faces losses from the potential money the could had made, than by 2025 Champions trophy, it is hoped that ICC will toughen up and make sure that all teams are properly travelling to other countries.

PCB is not required to cater to India by having these hybrid models for one team. It will start a precedence as [MENTION=99723]boomboomcheema[/MENTION] has said.

Exactly need to toughen our stance

 

[Savak]

Am hoping the PCB sticks to its stance no matter how tough it is even if they are alone whereas the rest of the world goes to bed with the BCCI. It is quite clear the BCCI is not happy with the PCB refusing to budge from their position and they have now turned this into an ego battle to showcase their financial might and power with the rest of the cricketing boards.