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cpleigh said:
Stop rewriting history. Russia did not save the backsides of Britain. Are u going to ignore the fact Russia signed a treaty with the Nazis first?

Just stop with this ridiculous propaganda about Nazis. The head of the Wagner group is a full on Nazi. Russia employs them.

They are trying to annex a country, not fight Nazis.

When did Ukraine invade or attack Russia? I've missed that.

People will protest but it won't be against Ukraine or for Russia... It will be against the government for allowing you nergy companies to rip people off
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All sane historians accept the 28 million Russians died and were the main factor in defeating Nazis WW2. You wouldnt be sitting in blooming England behind your keyboard if it werent for them.

Wagner is not an official part of the army let alone the National guard like Azov Nazis. You keep ignoring points page after page, its a daft way to debate Mr Leigh :wg

Ukrainians have been killing in the East for 8 years before Russia reacted.

Perhaps you can pay for the elderly freezing in your country Mr Leigh? I doubt you will spend a £1 to help the elderly this winter.
 
cpleigh said:
Stop rewriting history. Russia did not save the backsides of Britain. Are u going to ignore the fact Russia signed a treaty with the Nazis first?
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So did the Zionists with Hitler.

It's a documented fact USSR helped Western allies win both World Wars.

But carry on ignoring the truth.
 
Technics 1210 said:
So did the Zionists with Hitler.

It's a documented fact USSR helped Western allies win both World Wars.

But carry on ignoring the truth.
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I didn't dispute they helped. They fought with Britain, France and the USA.

The idea Russia alone saved the UK is a nonsense
 
Russia places bounty on two Azov commanders

Moscow is offering a reward for information on two Ukrainian nationalist leaders accused of torturing and killing Russian POWs © Telegram / natsionalKharkiv

Moscow will offer a reward for any information leading to the capture of two commanders of Ukraine’s notorious Azov regiment who are accused of brutally torturing and murdering Russian POWs, the Ministry of Internal Affairs announced on its website on Wednesday.
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https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/russia-places-bounty-on-two-azov-commanders/

Im sure their fellow Nazis will sell them out.
 
Zelenskyi's rhetoric is straight from the Hamas playbook.

So Europe is literally paying the price. WW iii has only just started
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
Zelenskyi's rhetoric is straight from the Hamas playbook.

So Europe is literally paying the price. WW iii has only just started
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He is just an actor in this playbook.

He thought a peace deal would work for his masters but Boris landed in Ukraine to order him otherwise. He is also present today while his nation is suffering, he's busy ensuring the proxy war continues.

Ukrainians are becoming fed up with him so its possible a coup will take place in the next few months.

Interesting Nato supporters ignore the Billion $ he has amassed. As soon as this nears conclusion, he will run off from Ukraine to enjoy his riches.
 
cpleigh said:
It won't. Energy companies have started offering fixed deals again... i'm guessing because thy know something will happen regarding intervention.

I've just been offered £260 a month off British Gas, i'm not taking it though.
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One good thing about this is the growing clamour for power to be renationalised.
 
cpleigh said:
I didn't dispute they helped. They fought with Britain, France and the USA.

The idea Russia alone saved the UK is a nonsense
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Agreed - without the Murmansk convoys Moscow might have fallen to Nazi Germany.

It was a team effort.

Attlee identified Stalin as the next threat as many countries from Latvia to Yugoslavia fell under the Soviet yoke, and he helped set up NATO to protect Western Europe from invasion. Then the Iron Curtain came down.

More than anybody else, Britain had to thank USA for selling us all those ships, aircraft and tanks for ten cents on the dollar. And grain so that we didn’t starve. Then the Empire and USA combined to liberate West Europe.
 
Some points I have observed from various Ukrainian blacklisted sources such as Larry Johnson, Col Douglas MacGregor, Ray McGovern etc.

1. We are very near to the endgame, America knows this that's why they have ordered all Americans to leave Ukraine. Not just Kyiv but Ukraine.
2. The idea that Russia expected to win this war in days/weeks is absolute rubbish. I'm sure they hoped for a quick end but you don't shoot 60-70k shells every day for months unless you expect a long war. The Russians probably began stockpiling after the maidan coup.
3. Avdiivka is the key to the entire Ukrainian defence line if this falls then it will be like Severodonestk but on a bigger scale.
4. Ukraine claim they have lost 9k soldiers and Russians 20k . If this were even remotely true the Russians would be back in Moscow and St Petersberg.
5. Ukraine have lost a minimum of 70k soldiers kia. The units being sent to the front have little or no training this is why the figures are so high. Territorial defence units don't even get to fire a bullet because they end up getting bombarded by artillery.
6. The main Russian army has been resting whilst the militias and mercenaries have been fighting. Now they are gathering in 3 huge groups along with a huge number of combat aircraft, at least 400 and the Americans know this. Once the final defence lines fall in Donbas there will be a fast and big push. Estimates are this will happen by mid September and there is nothing Ukraine or the west can do.

Now I repeat this is what the honest experts like Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern are saying.
 
Russia are about to hold a security meeting tomorrow. Will be interesting to see what happens, a lot of noise on social media about it from both sides.
 
cpleigh said:
I didn't dispute they helped. They fought with Britain, France and the USA.

The idea Russia alone saved the UK is a nonsense
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Out of every 10 Germans 8 died on the Eastern Front.

Germany collapsed because the Soviets decimated their massive million men arm groups one by one. Had the Germans conquered USSR the war would have been over. There is no D-Day with millions of Germans shipped to France from Soviet occupation zones.

This thread is full of nonsense from both sides. Every sympathy with Ukraine but let's not rewrite history.
 
New Darth Putin tweet today sums up Russia’s war nicely:

Months - 6
Victories - 0
Economy 🚽💩
KIA - 50,000 🌻
Dead Generals - Dozens
Goodwill Gestures - 1
Finland & Sweden - NATO
Tank turrets - Flipping
War crimes - Countless
Genocides - In progress
HIMARS - o'clock
Crimea Tourism - Booming
Navy - Sinking

I remain a master strategist
 
KingKhanWC said:
Russian people, soldiers saved the backsides of Brits by defeating the Nazis. What has Ukraine ever done for you?

Russians are fighting self proclaimed Nazis again and defending their national security interests. If Russia were in Ireland you'd be up in arms on the keyboard.
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That's an unbelievable reversal of the truth.

Firstly, World War 2 happened BECAUSE of the Nazi-Soviet Pact. The Russians got into bed with the Nazis, and carved up Poland between them.

Secondly, the British Empire basically stood alone against the Nazis from the Fall of France (June 1940) until Hitler invaded the USSR 362 days later.

The Russians should be thanking us that we held out and weakened Hitler in that time, notably in North Africa and Greece.

Russia didn't seem at all worried about DeNazification at that time - they were far too happy in bed with the Nazis.

As for DeNazification now, what a load of old cobblers.

Ukraine has elected a Russian-speaking Jew as its President. To call them Nazis basically exposes whoever says it as a fool.

While Russia has been a Nazi state throughout this century. The whole point of Dugin is that he is a neo-Nazi, and to be quite frank even Navalny is himself a Fascist, just not quite as extreme a Fascist as Putin and his cronies.

But Russia, in true Nazi style has murdered the political opposition, murdered journalists who seek to tell the truth, and uses the TV and print media as propaganda outlets just as Goebbels did with the real Nazis.
 
KingKhanWC said:
All sane historians accept the 28 million Russians died and were the main factor in defeating Nazis WW2. You wouldnt be sitting in blooming England behind your keyboard if it werent for them.

Wagner is not an official part of the army let alone the National guard like Azov Nazis. You keep ignoring points page after page, its a daft way to debate Mr Leigh :wg

Ukrainians have been killing in the East for 8 years before Russia reacted.

Perhaps you can pay for the elderly freezing in your country Mr Leigh? I doubt you will spend a £1 to help the elderly this winter.
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Claptrap of the highest order.

Germany never did manage to invade Britain - and they had 15 months to do so from the Fall of France until they invaded Russia instead.

We fought them on the River Plate in South America, in North Africa, in Crete and in Italy. And they didn't beat us anywhere, although we clearly did have to retreat at Dunkirk, faced with French collapse and collaboration.

It wasn't Russia who ensured that the British Empire could not lose. It was the insane Japanese decision to attack Pearl Harbor which brought America into the war, from which point it was a foregone conclusion.

If I'm totally honest, having Russia advancing in the East just made things more complicated. It created a pointless cold war and destroyed the lives of everyone in central and eastern Europe for 50 years.

And the Nazis would probably have surrendered earlier to us and the Americans. The basically fought on all the way until the Red Army reached Berlin because they knew that even if you surrender to the Russians, they still rape your girls, women and grandmothers. They always have and always do. Even their Donbas "fellow Russians" face endless Russian Army rapes every day.
 
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There is a fundamental issue here that our Lord Haw Haw contributors try to avoid.

They have gone back to the fictional argument that the Ukrainians were Nazis who were somehow being horrid to ethnic Russians living in Ukraine.

But Ukraine elected a Russian Jew as its President. And the only parts of Ukraine where he didn't win a majority of votes were a few constituencies in the far west where there are hardly any ethnic Russians.

The bottom line is that ultra-nationalist far-right Russians have never accepted the independence of former Soviet states. To them the USSR was not a federation but an Empire, and they want to rebuild it.

(Note that every 2018 FIFA World Cup match that Russia hosted was held in the 30% of the country which is in Europe. That tells you everything about how Putin and his clique treat Asians - even Russian Asians - as property rather than as equals).

The irony of this was is that Russian Ukrainians voted by a wider margin for the Zelensky government than Ukrainian Ukrainians did. Cities like Kharkhiv have huge Russian populations - which vote to be part of the Ukraine, and don't want to be part of Putin's kleptocratic Rogue State of Russia.

Mariupol is a great example. The population is ethnically half-Ukrainian, half-Russian but they all speak Russian. Yet the Russian half of the population already hated the Russian nation before it invaded their city, destroyed it and allowed its soldiers to steal from and rape and murder their so-called Russian cousins.

Ukrainian Russians basically almost all hate Russia. Because they see and hear the Russian propaganda every day, and see that it is all lies. And when they ring relatives in Russia, the relatives don't even believe them, telling them that no their house hasn't been flattened, or if it has the Ukrainians did it, and the war isn't a war, and there is an urgent need to get rid of the Nazis who are ruining their lives.
 
bones said:
Some points I have observed from various Ukrainian blacklisted sources such as Larry Johnson, Col Douglas MacGregor, Ray McGovern etc.

1. We are very near to the endgame, America knows this that's why they have ordered all Americans to leave Ukraine. Not just Kyiv but Ukraine.
2. The idea that Russia expected to win this war in days/weeks is absolute rubbish. I'm sure they hoped for a quick end but you don't shoot 60-70k shells every day for months unless you expect a long war. The Russians probably began stockpiling after the maidan coup.
3. Avdiivka is the key to the entire Ukrainian defence line if this falls then it will be like Severodonestk but on a bigger scale.
4. Ukraine claim they have lost 9k soldiers and Russians 20k . If this were even remotely true the Russians would be back in Moscow and St Petersberg.
5. Ukraine have lost a minimum of 70k soldiers kia. The units being sent to the front have little or no training this is why the figures are so high. Territorial defence units don't even get to fire a bullet because they end up getting bombarded by artillery.
6. The main Russian army has been resting whilst the militias and mercenaries have been fighting. Now they are gathering in 3 huge groups along with a huge number of combat aircraft, at least 400 and the Americans know this. Once the final defence lines fall in Donbas there will be a fast and big push. Estimates are this will happen by mid September and there is nothing Ukraine or the west can do.

Now I repeat this is what the honest experts like Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern are saying.
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More nonsense... Ray McGovern said 3 days ago that Ukraine can defeat Russia if the US arms them... Which they announced more yesterday

Larry Johnson .. don't make everyone laugh. He's an attention seeking liar.
 
Junaids said:
That's an unbelievable reversal of the truth.

Firstly, World War 2 happened BECAUSE of the Nazi-Soviet Pact. The Russians got into bed with the Nazis, and carved up Poland between them.

Secondly, the British Empire basically stood alone against the Nazis from the Fall of France (June 1940) until Hitler invaded the USSR 362 days later.

The Russians should be thanking us that we held out and weakened Hitler in that time, notably in North Africa and Greece.

Russia didn't seem at all worried about DeNazification at that time - they were far too happy in bed with the Nazis.

As for DeNazification now, what a load of old cobblers.

Ukraine has elected a Russian-speaking Jew as its President. To call them Nazis basically exposes whoever says it as a fool.

While Russia has been a Nazi state throughout this century. The whole point of Dugin is that he is a neo-Nazi, and to be quite frank even Navalny is himself a Fascist, just not quite as extreme a Fascist as Putin and his cronies.

But Russia, in true Nazi style has murdered the political opposition, murdered journalists who seek to tell the truth, and uses the TV and print media as propaganda outlets just as Goebbels did with the real Nazis.
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It's the propogranda the Kremlin pedals on a daily basis. It's just garbage.

Much like the myth that NATO are the starters of all wars. So when Russia do it people like technics etc can see say 'but NATO always do it and they do it first'. Then they turn on the MSM... As it's the only source that can critize Russia.

Whilst they all get their info from Russian MSM
 
cpleigh said:
More nonsense... Ray McGovern said 3 days ago that Ukraine can defeat Russia if the US arms them... Which they announced more yesterday

Larry Johnson .. don't make everyone laugh. He's an attention seeking liar.
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Ray McGovern would have probably added many caveats to that statement because I know for a fact he knows and stated multiple times the Ukrainians have lost.

As for Larry Johnson he is anything but attention seeking. You could say that about Col Doug MacGregor or Scott Ritter but not Larry.

But anyway they all made a key point, no serving American Military man has said Ukraine are winning or can win. It's always retired ones who are on the payroll of MSM. They are lying and they know it.
 
Boris Johnson: We’re paying higher bills – Ukraine is paying in blood

Boris Johnson has urged the British public to endure higher energy bills as the price of freedom in Europe because “Ukrainians are paying in blood”.

Speaking on a surprise visit to Kyiv to mark six months since the start of the Russian invasion, the outgoing Prime Minister called on the UK’s allies not to waver in their support for Ukraine.

It comes amid fears that spiralling energy prices and the wider cost-of-living crisis could weaken the resolve of European governments.

While Emmanuel Macron, the French president, on Wednesday said the country faced “sacrifices” but urged people to “accept paying the price of liberty”, Matteo Salvini, the leader of Italy’s far-Right League party, called for the EU to re-examine its sanctions on Russia.

Mr Salvini, set to be part of a coalition government after Italy holds elections next month, said the measures could be hurting member states more than Russia.

In the UK, the new energy price cap, which comes into force in October, will be announced by Ofgem, the industry regulator, on Friday.

A rise from the current £1,971 to around £3,600 per year is expected. It could then top £5,000 in January and rise above £6,000 in April, according to forecasts.

Speaking in Kyiv on Wednesday, Mr Johnson said: “We know that if we’re paying in our energy bills for the evils of Vladimir Putin, the people of Ukraine are paying in their blood.

“That’s why we know we must stay the course. Because if Putin were to succeed, then no country on Russia’s perimeter would be safe, and ... [that] would be a green light for every autocrat in the world that borders could be changed by force.

“To all our friends, I simply say this – we must keep going. We must show, as friends of Ukraine, that we have the same strategic endurance as the people of Ukraine.”

DT

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...son-paying-higher-bills-ukraine-paying-blood/
 
The Russian Duma will ask the UN to prevent a major disaster at the Nuclear power plant.

I agree, so turn it over to the UN.... remove all weapons and military equipment.. and Ukraine and Russia must withdraw
 
cpleigh said:
Funny how you only link Energy issues from the wets.

Almost like you can't find anything about the Russian economy tanking from Russian News.

Wonder why?
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The Russian economy is suffering like most economies but as I think would be clear to even a blind man now, the Europeans are suffering much much worse.

Heck Germany is starting to advise people not to shower and to use wet cloth. Lol. They could sort this all out with the click of a finger by accepting the sanctions failed and rolling them back. Mind you they would then need to hope that the Russians don't stoop to their level and let the gas flow.

On that point, the Russians are winning the economic war and they're doing this without retaliating. I know many other leaders who would have shut off the gas on day one, especially now that they have many other customers.
 
A Russian rocket strike on a train station killed 25 people, Ukraine says, on the day marking six months since Moscow's invasion began.

Five of the victims of the attack in the eastern town of Chaplyne burnt to death in a vehicle, officials said. Two boys aged six and 11 were also killed.

President Volodymyr Zelensky announced the strike in the middle of a UN Security Council meeting. A further 31 people were wounded.

Russia has so far made no comment.

Moscow has repeatedly denied targeting civilian infrastructure. Speaking on Thursday, UN human rights commissioner Michelle Bachelet called on Russia's president to halt armed attacks on Ukraine.

Mr Zelensky said he had learned of the strike on Chaplyne, in the Dnipropetrovsk region, as he was preparing to speak to the Security Council, adding: "This is how Russia prepared for the UN Security council meeting."

"Four passenger carriages are on fire now... the number of fatalities could increase," he continued.
 
Junaids said:
Claptrap of the highest order.

Germany never did manage to invade Britain - and they had 15 months to do so from the Fall of France until they invaded Russia instead.

We fought them on the River Plate in South America, in North Africa, in Crete and in Italy. And they didn't beat us anywhere, although we clearly did have to retreat at Dunkirk, faced with French collapse and collaboration.

It wasn't Russia who ensured that the British Empire could not lose. It was the insane Japanese decision to attack Pearl Harbor which brought America into the war, from which point it was a foregone conclusion.

If I'm totally honest, having Russia advancing in the East just made things more complicated. It created a pointless cold war and destroyed the lives of everyone in central and eastern Europe for 50 years.

And the Nazis would probably have surrendered earlier to us and the Americans. The basically fought on all the way until the Red Army reached Berlin because they knew that even if you surrender to the Russians, they still rape your girls, women and grandmothers. They always have and always do. Even their Donbas "fellow Russians" face endless Russian Army rapes every day.
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Of course, the RAF & USAAF strategic bombing campaign helped USSR too, by limiting Nazi Germany’s ability to send weapons and ammunition to their Eastern Front.

Without D-Day, USSR would probably have advanced to the North Sea, and Britain would have been left as the sole democracy sitting off a Soviet Europe.
 
bones said:
The Russian economy is suffering like most economies but as I think would be clear to even a blind man now, the Europeans are suffering much much worse.

Heck Germany is starting to advise people not to shower and to use wet cloth. Lol. They could sort this all out with the click of a finger by accepting the sanctions failed and rolling them back. Mind you they would then need to hope that the Russians don't stoop to their level and let the gas flow.
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The East of Germany knows what it is like to be under the Russian yoke, well within living memory. They will do what is necessary to uphold democracy in Europe.
 
bones said:
The Russian economy is suffering like most economies but as I think would be clear to even a blind man now, the Europeans are suffering much much worse.

Heck Germany is starting to advise people not to shower and to use wet cloth. Lol. They could sort this all out with the click of a finger by accepting the sanctions failed and rolling them back. Mind you they would then need to hope that the Russians don't stoop to their level and let the gas flow.

On that point, the Russians are winning the economic war and they're doing this without retaliating. I know many other leaders who would have shut off the gas on day one, especially now that they have many other customers.
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Suffering how? You mean by energy bills going up?

Whilst Russians are struggling to buy the essentials, and can't buy any western goods. Western companies have pulled out and are shutting down.

Where are all those jobs going to go?

You have no idea on the impact of sanctions on ordinary Russians... because you are NOT allowed to see it.
 
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The East of Germany knows what it is like to be under the Russian yoke, well within living memory. They will do what is necessary to uphold democracy in Europe.
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He's living in Russian fantasy land. Like it could all be sorted like that.

If the west buckles... Putin knows he can blackmail with energy forever.
 
Basic essentials includes Energy. Russia has bucket loads, West mostly imports energy.

When Europeans cannot afford to pay their energy bills, their iphones/ipads will not keep them warm.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Basic essentials includes Energy. Russia has bucket loads, West mostly imports energy.

When Europeans cannot afford to pay their energy bills, their iphones/ipads will not keep them warm.
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Well you'll be please to know the UK imports ZERO Russian energy... so you'll be ok
 
:))) Due to the sanctions on Russian energy imports which kicked in this week! :)))

This is not shifting away from Russian energy, this is complying with sanctions.

UK still has to plug the energy deficit, meanwhile energy prices continue to rise.
 
The propaganda is strong with NATO apologists. These lot believe UK made the decision to stop importing Russian energy when its the sanctions that prevent the UK - which kicked in this week.

If UK had the balls, then it would have stopped Russian energy imports the day the war started - but the UK didn't.
 
cpleigh said:
Well they were, because they stopped the progress of Russia. The more they get... the more they can attack.
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Please bro..just stop..this is not how this war is being fought or how wars today are generally fought.

It's not that simple. You are aware that the Russians are taking a strategic pause. It was and has been part of their strategy. Just read some early posts and you will see it. The Ukrainians cannot win this war. Their best chance was in the beginning. But they were outgunned. They failed to create a credible defence detterant over the years and have now been practically defeated. The West is merely prolonging the inevitable.

You can cling to hope but ultimately innthid case it will lead to disappointment. The bulk of the Ukrainian army has been destroyed as a cohesive fighting force.

There were nearly 60k Ukrainian forces in the east heading towards destroying the donbas militia before the war. They have been all but eliminated. This is now a matter of time. The Russians are using the Wagner group the chechens (who have surprised even the russians) the Donbas militias (ever improving) Russian spetznaz, and their light battalions. Where they have needed it they have used them regular army and the results have been devastating. They are now resting recuperating for the next phase. The decisive phase...
 
Also although a different scenario but some similarities. Pakistan has a similar but perhaps worse problem than Ukraine in that we face a similar enemy whonis 7 to 8 times bigger than us. Planners in Pakistan predict that after 10 days if the fighting is continuing Pakistan has either made gains and halted some major offenses or the Indians have cut the country in half and are taking a pause.

10 days is the threshold. For Ukraine multiply that by say a few more weeks due to its size. That was the point of no return.
 
Technics 1210 said:
:))) Due to the sanctions on Russian energy imports which kicked in this week! :)))

This is not shifting away from Russian energy, this is complying with sanctions.

UK still has to plug the energy deficit, meanwhile energy prices continue to rise.
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Self imposed by the UK.

As far as i'm aware there isn't any sanctions on importing Russia energy?
 
Technics 1210 said:
The propaganda is strong with NATO apologists. These lot believe UK made the decision to stop importing Russian energy when its the sanctions that prevent the UK - which kicked in this week.

If UK had the balls, then it would have stopped Russian energy imports the day the war started - but the UK didn't.
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You are so wrong. What sanction that kicked in this week? The UK made the decision to ban all Russian Energy imports by the end of the year, nothing to do with sweeping sanctions.

Do you have to being NATO into everything? it's really, really tedious now.

Plus i thought you'd be pleased? since you were panicking about having no hot water this winter because of Russian Energy?
 
cpleigh said:
You are so wrong. What sanction that kicked in this week? The UK made the decision to ban all Russian Energy imports by the end of the year, nothing to do with sweeping sanctions.

Do you have to being NATO into everything? it's really, really tedious now.

Plus i thought you'd be pleased? since you were panicking about having no hot water this winter because of Russian Energy?
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https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9523/CBP-9523.pdf

Read the PDF carefully.

It's from UK parliament website.

You NATO apologists love the lefty Guardian. Try reading multiple sources instead of relying on MSM soundbites.

You have no understanding of the economics that drive and result from this war because you are too busy boasting about your iPhone model and counting tanks and missiles.

And yes, I will bring NATO in this thread because you are cheer leading NATO's contribution in this war, whether it is weapons or funding, of course no to mention NATO's provocation.
 
the Great Khan said:
Please bro..just stop..this is not how this war is being fought or how wars today are generally fought.

It's not that simple. You are aware that the Russians are taking a strategic pause. It was and has been part of their strategy. Just read some early posts and you will see it. The Ukrainians cannot win this war. Their best chance was in the beginning. But they were outgunned. They failed to create a credible defence detterant over the years and have now been practically defeated. The West is merely prolonging the inevitable.

You can cling to hope but ultimately innthid case it will lead to disappointment. The bulk of the Ukrainian army has been destroyed as a cohesive fighting force.

There were nearly 60k Ukrainian forces in the east heading towards destroying the donbas militia before the war. They have been all but eliminated. This is now a matter of time. The Russians are using the Wagner group the chechens (who have surprised even the russians) the Donbas militias (ever improving) Russian spetznaz, and their light battalions. Where they have needed it they have used them regular army and the results have been devastating. They are now resting recuperating for the next phase. The decisive phase...
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When and if that happens, the Ukrainian patriots will carry out guerrilla warfare, like the Latvian Forest Brothers did for decades against the Soviet occupiers. They will snipe at Russian officers and collaborators, and blow up vehicles and police stations with IEDs.

We will also see plenty of strikes and go-slows by the Ukrainian people in acts of passive resistance.

Ukraine will be a huge nuisance for Moscow. Eventually Putin will die, a more peaceful Russian leader will emerge and a diplomatic solution will be sought.
 
what are you trying to prove with that link? It clearly says no Sanctions have been agreed on Russian Gas.

So the UK has implemented it's own sanctions? Like i said?
 
Technics 1210 said:
I read the same story in FT and DT, and Boris and EU leaders are simply saying that high energy costs is worth the price for liberty while Ukrainians are paying in blood.

What does NATO know about the price of liberty? Their apologists only care about white skinned Europeans, while any other colour is bombed in the name of Western liberalism!
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Do you feel the same about them being bombed in the name of Russian Autocricy?
 
the Great Khan said:
Please bro..just stop..this is not how this war is being fought or how wars today are generally fought.

It's not that simple. You are aware that the Russians are taking a strategic pause. It was and has been part of their strategy. Just read some early posts and you will see it. The Ukrainians cannot win this war. Their best chance was in the beginning. But they were outgunned. They failed to create a credible defence detterant over the years and have now been practically defeated. The West is merely prolonging the inevitable.

You can cling to hope but ultimately innthid case it will lead to disappointment. The bulk of the Ukrainian army has been destroyed as a cohesive fighting force.

There were nearly 60k Ukrainian forces in the east heading towards destroying the donbas militia before the war. They have been all but eliminated. This is now a matter of time. The Russians are using the Wagner group the chechens (who have surprised even the russians) the Donbas militias (ever improving) Russian spetznaz, and their light battalions. Where they have needed it they have used them regular army and the results have been devastating. They are now resting recuperating for the next phase. The decisive phase...
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If... and that's a huge IF... why would the Russians need a strategic pause?
 
cpleigh said:
Do you feel the same about them being bombed in the name of Russian Autocricy?
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I oppose all war, but its time the Western war mongering states were taught a lesson, Western imperialism must come to an end, a price well worth paying for. Taste of your own medicine.
 
Technics 1210 said:
I oppose all war, but its time the Western war mongering states were taught a lesson, Western imperialism must come to an end, a price well worth paying for. Taste of your own medicine.
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But Russian Imperialism is ok? as long as it's not Western...

How can you say you oppose all war whilst openly cheering on an invading army?
 
the Great Khan said:
Also although a different scenario but some similarities. Pakistan has a similar but perhaps worse problem than Ukraine in that we face a similar enemy whonis 7 to 8 times bigger than us. Planners in Pakistan predict that after 10 days if the fighting is continuing Pakistan has either made gains and halted some major offenses or the Indians have cut the country in half and are taking a pause.

10 days is the threshold. For Ukraine multiply that by say a few more weeks due to its size. That was the point of no return.
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Pakistan has nukes so the "similar enemy" is not going to invade.

Ukraine used to have nukes. Oops.
 
cpleigh said:
But Russian Imperialism is ok? as long as it's not Western...

How can you say you oppose all war whilst openly cheering on an invading army?
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As I said, the West is getting a taste of its own medicine, which I fully support. Enough is enough. It is refreshing to see the West backed into the corner unable to go toe toe to toe with a 'weak' Russia.

Remember, Putin reached out many times to achieve a diplomatic solution over Ukraine, but NATO rejected every single opportunity. Trump reached out to Putin, but the Warmongering Western establishment didn't support him.

Stop blaming Russia, its as bad as blaming Brexit, blame the Western governments who are not interested in global peace, but interested in the war economy.
 
Technics 1210 said:
I oppose all war, but its time the Western war mongering states were taught a lesson, Western imperialism must come to an end, a price well worth paying for. Taste of your own medicine.
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You do realise that Russia is the only western Imperialist power to still retain its Empire?

Them having Vladivostok is like Britain still having Karachi.

You fantasise that Russia is some brave anti-Imperialist superpower. But it’s not - it’s a fascist terrorist state which attacks and alienates all its neighbours.
 
Technics 1210 said:
As I said, the West is getting a taste of its own medicine, which I fully support. Enough is enough. It is refreshing to see the West backed into the corner unable to go toe toe to toe with a 'weak' Russia.

Remember, Putin reached out many times to achieve a diplomatic solution over Ukraine, but NATO rejected every single opportunity. Trump reached out to Putin, but the Warmongering Western establishment didn't support him.

Stop blaming Russia, its as bad as blaming Brexit, blame the Western governments who are not interested in global peace, but interested in the war economy.
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That's just not true is it?
 
Russia doesn't have military bases scattered across the globe, Amreeka, the bearer of Western liberalism, does.

Such a pity the UK is a lapdog of Amreeka, when the UK should be building bridges towards the East (pun fully intended), Amreeka is hell bent in destroying any UK formidable relationship with the East.

The enemy of the UK is from within! No wonder the UK is often referred to as the 51st US state!
 
Junaids said:
You do realise that Russia is the only western Imperialist power to still retain its Empire?

Them having Vladivostok is like Britain still having Karachi.

You fantasise that Russia is some brave anti-Imperialist superpower. But it’s not - it’s a fascist terrorist state which attacks and alienates all its neighbours.
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Oh please do give up. Russia is not even considered a Western nation.

And save the fascist terrorist state malarky, you support a terrorist regime that attacks non Judeo-Christian nations and has more blood on its hands than Putin will ever have!
 
Cant believe the NATO apologists are hell bent on defending the indefensible at all cost!

The wretched blood shed history says Hi!
 
Manunited18 said:
Cant believe the NATO apologists are hell bent on defending the indefensible at all cost!

The wretched blood shed history says Hi!
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The North Sea’s biggest oil and gas producer has revealed a tenfold surge in profits in the first six months of 2022 as pressure mounts for a widening of the windfall tax on energy giants. (DT)

British energy companies are raking in the profit from this war, while letting millions starve of energy, will then fund the war, and tax the daylights out of its civilians.

NATO apologists fail to realise the cost of this war is not profits, not liberty, not freedom - but economic slavery.

None of these Western liberals in this thread would go fight for Ukraine or house Ukrainian refugees, but will trumpet on with their intellectually bankrupt waffle.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Oh please do give up. Russia is not even considered a Western nation.

And save the fascist terrorist state malarky, you support a terrorist regime that attacks non Judeo-Christian nations and has more blood on its hands than Putin will ever have!
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Firstly the British Royal Family is the Russian Royal Family. Of course the ruling clique is western.

Secondly, Russia has killed more Syrian civilians in the last decade than Israel has killed Palestinians ever. So get your story straight.
 
Junaids said:
Firstly the British Royal Family is the Russian Royal Family. Of course the ruling clique is western.

Secondly, Russia has killed more Syrian civilians in the last decade than Israel has killed Palestinians ever. So get your story straight.
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Pigeon holing with irrelevance once again.

Firstly, what are you on about with the Royal family?

Secondly, I love how you ignored the number of innocent people who have died in the ME alone at the hands of Western liberation. Get YOUR facts straight, and save your story.

Then you lot who champion freedom, liberty, and free press - have a hissy fit when free journalism exposed the truth and demand Julian Assange be extradited for exposing the lies of the West.

Now stop boring me.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Russia doesn't have military bases scattered across the globe, Amreeka, the bearer of Western liberalism, does.

Such a pity the UK is a lapdog of Amreeka, when the UK should be building bridges towards the East (pun fully intended), Amreeka is hell bent in destroying any UK formidable relationship with the East.

The enemy of the UK is from within! No wonder the UK is often referred to as the 51st US state!
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Russia has military bases in 7 countries.

Most of them by force
 
cpleigh said:
Russia has military bases in 7 countries.

Most of them by force
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And? How does this prove me wrong? I stated Russia doesn't have military bases scattered across the globe like Amreeka does. How does your statement change anything?

As for by force, you too are playing Junaids game, you conveniently ignore Amreekan bases, by force, in Iraq for example.
 
And for the record, Amreeka has in excess of 700 military bases across the globe.

And to claim there's no such thing as Western imperialism. What a joke and a farce of NATO and Liberal apologists.
 
Technics 1210 said:
And? How does this prove me wrong? I stated Russia doesn't have military bases scattered across the globe like Amreeka does. How does your statement change anything?

As for by force, you too are playing Junaids game, you conveniently ignore Amreekan bases, by force, in Iraq for example.
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Yeah it does prove you wrong, you keep acting like the USA is the only agressor in the world and 'darling' Russia is a victim trying to defend itself. Which is clearly not true.

I'm just curious as to why if you think Russia is so great... and it has no issues at all... why don't you choose to live there?
 
Technics 1210 said:
And for the record, Amreeka has in excess of 700 military bases across the globe.

And to claim there's no such thing as Western imperialism. What a joke and a farce of NATO and Liberal apologists.
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Do America claim ownership over any of those countries?
 
cpleigh said:
Yeah it does prove you wrong, you keep acting like the USA is the only agressor in the world and 'darling' Russia is a victim trying to defend itself. Which is clearly not true.

I'm just curious as to why if you think Russia is so great... and it has no issues at all... why don't you choose to live there?
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Now you are changing your tune and ignoring the forced Amreeka military bases in Iraq.

I am curious too, you care about white Europeans only, so why haven't you taken in Ukrainian refugees?

Come back when you have a consistent story to defend.
 
cpleigh said:
Do America claim ownership over any of those countries?
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Yes! Through USD and Political hegemony!

When are you going to wake up and realise that wars are no longer fought the conventional way? When are you going to wake up and realise that currency control is the weapon of choice - hence economic sanctions!
 
Technics 1210 said:
Now you are changing your tune and ignoring the forced Amreeka military bases in Iraq.

I am curious too, you care about white Europeans only, so why haven't you taken in Ukrainian refugees?

Come back when you have a consistent story to defend.
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No, you have changed your story.. AGAIN. The whole basis of your defence of Russia is 'Well the US do it' even though you hate the US for doing it and claim they are Empire builders.

I live in a 1 bedroom cottage, so I can't take anyone in.

Like how AGAIN you completely ignore about living in Russia.. you never answer that one do you?
 
Technics 1210 said:
Yes! Through USD and Political hegemony!

When are you going to wake up and realise that wars are no longer fought the conventional way? When are you going to wake up and realise that currency control is the weapon of choice - hence economic sanctions!
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They don't claim ownership though do they? Thats a blatant lie and you know it is.
 
cpleigh said:
They don't claim ownership though do they? Thats a blatant lie and you know it is.
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When you control the politics and economics of a nation, and when these countries do not comply, we know how Amreeka responds. Ownership/slavery/subservient - take your pick. There’s no written document that says Amreeka owns said nation, this is not how it works anymore, nations are controlled through finance and politics. This is a cold hard fact.

This is why China, Russia, and Indian-have stuck 2 fingers to Western economic sanctions because these nations no longer believe in the USD, meanwhile NATO went begging to Trump not to pull out of NATO - this is called political, economical, and military leverage Amreeka has, and this is the reason why UK takes orders from the Amreeka.

No need for pendantry to wriggle out of this one.
 
cpleigh said:
No, you have changed your story.. AGAIN. The whole basis of your defence of Russia is 'Well the US do it' even though you hate the US for doing it and claim they are Empire builders.

I live in a 1 bedroom cottage, so I can't take anyone in.

Like how AGAIN you completely ignore about living in Russia.. you never answer that one do you?
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I have not changed my story, you now come out with forced military bases.

How many Amreekan bases were forced upon Iraq?

Lets not count the number of times you have evaded questions, because your hypocrisy is exposed when bought to task because you and your cheer leaders in this thread support fascist, racist, and a warmongering regime - The Liberal West.
 
Technics 1210 said:
When you control the politics and economics of a nation, and when these countries do not comply, we know how Amreeka responds. Ownership/slavery/subservient - take your pick. There’s no written document that says Amreeka owns said nation, this is not how it works anymore, nations are controlled through finance and politics. This is a cold hard fact.

This is why China, Russia, and Indian-have stuck 2 fingers to Western economic sanctions because these nations no longer believe in the USD, meanwhile NATO went begging to Trump not to pull out of NATO - this is called political, economical, and military leverage Amreeka has, and this is the reason why UK takes orders from the Amreeka.

No need for pendantry to wriggle out of this one.
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Apart from Russia who just invades a country if it wants it? (See Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia) etc

Nice try though... just making up what the definition if owning a country is.

But well done for admiting that the USA hasn't taken ownership over any other countries though, we finally got there.

You seem to struggle with the concept that things work on a mutual beneficial basis.. like countries welcome US bases as it makes them feel secure
 
cpleigh said:
Apart from Russia who just invades a country if it wants?
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I stopped here, your statement totally describes NATO/Amreekan imperialist war machine. Stop lying by using words like ‘apart from Russia’.

You got such a problem with Russia playing the same game as the West, good, now you know what it feels like to be at the receiving end of daylight hypocrisy.

This is the price YOU pay.

But it’s ok, your iPhone is fully charged.
 
I had a problem when the US & The UK invaded Iraq too. I can objectivly say BOTH were / are wrong.
You seem incapable of it.

It's not me paying a price, it's made very little difference to my life. The Ukranians are the ones suffering.

Anyway enough of NATO, US & UK (all things not involved in the war).

Lets keep it on the Ukraine conflict.
 
Yeah yeah, Iraq was wrong, we’ve heard this stunt from liberals before, but not once have liberals, stated that they wanted Bush and Blair to stand trial for war crimes, but when Putin invades Ukraine, he’s a war criminal, but Bush and Blair were doing God’s work.

This is just one of many examples where liberal lies and hypocrisy are exposed.
 
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