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Kohli has a better shot than cook. Cook opens the innings in tests, a light dip in form can put him out of contention. If both of them breaks the record the world will remember Cook and Tendulkar's records only, Kohli won't get the same fame.
 
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in_cutter said:
..at this rate, these two are likely to surprass Tendulkar's records in the two formats mentioned.

Kohli: 14 ODI hundreds, avg 49
Cook: 25 Test hundreds, avg 49

Phenomenal stats.
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I think Cook is better batsman than Kohli, because what he is doing is in Tests, not ODIs.
 
Virat Kohli in ODI's & Alistair Cook in Tests

Runs on board are worth twice those that may be scored - old jungle saying
 
Imagine a person doing that in both formats together! Yes ppl, Tendulka it is :)
 
Virat is a different breed - he 'll definitely break SRT's ODI record. For him, the ultimate is putting value to the wicket. He never gets tired of batting, never gives easy wicket & most importantly has a habit of making start count. Recently, he seemed to be out of form, but even then, once passed the initial nervous period, did converted the 100.

Cook is going through his golden patch. Since ENG plays most no. of Tests, & puts highest value to Test Cricket & he doesn't indulge his game with the porn version, chances are that, he 'll end up playing well over 200 Tests if he carries till 38. So, another 120+ Tests & I think he 'll cross 52 Centuries.
 
MMHS said:
Virat is a different breed - he 'll definitely break SRT's ODI record. For him, the ultimate is putting value to the wicket. He never gets tired of batting, never gives easy wicket & most importantly has a habit of making start count. Recently, he seemed to be out of form, but even then, once passed the initial nervous period, did converted the 100.

Cook is going through his golden patch. Since ENG plays most no. of Tests, & puts highest value to Test Cricket & he doesn't indulge his game with the porn version, chances are that, he 'll end up playing well over 200 Tests if he carries till 38. So, another 120+ Tests & I think he 'll cross 52 Centuries.
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Tendulkar is not done yet, but yeah, Cook is all set to break the great man's records in test matches.
 
i hope both cook & kohli break tendulkars records. records r meant to be broken

and hope some future cricketer comes and breaks cooks & kohlis records and becomes the leading run-getter in both tests & odis
 
extremely tough for either of them. They won't be the same 5 years from now..
 
Meaning that the lads havent eveb started to get anywhere close to the records/stretch.. And we have the speculatins and the declarations that this wont happen due to xyz reason.. And hence ST's greatness has been again proven.

Have some semblance of common sense while you post such claims
 
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spaceshot said:
Meaning that the lads havent eveb started to get anywhere close to the records/stretch.. And we have the speculatins and the declarations that this wont happen due to xyz reason.. And hence ST's greatness has been again proven.

Have some semblance of common sense while you post such claims
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Exactly! Here, doing that for 2 years is seen as an achievement & people question the man who has done it day in and day out for 20 years!
 
Just goes to show what a phenomenal player Tendu;lkar was, just kept doing it in both formats for 24 years. Legend among legends.
 
Time is on their side the number of games will get them both there.
 
Tendulkar was a beast of a player in both formats, you rarely find that. Ponting came pretty close to Tendulkar's standards while Lara was bit of an underachiever in ODIs. Current crop of players is pretty weird though, some are excelling in limite dovers and failing in tests and some are excelling in tests and being average in limited overs. KP is right up there as a complete player but he started late and will always struggle to get near Tendulkar, Ponting's amazing numbers.
 
Let Kohli break Ponting and Jayasuriya's record first, then we'll talk.

Let Cook break Ponting and Kallis's record first, then we'll talk.
 
The volume based records will be hard to beat because Sachin started playing at the age of 16 and is still playing at 40. With the world moving towards T20s, I believe the future generation will not beat these records.
 
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You always aim for the best. :) Tendulkar will always be the target for all coming generations.
 
Records are meant to be broken I'll love if some fine day somebody break SRT's record ....and yeah I love if an Indian break those record....:D:D
 
some player might break his Test Records *OR* ODI records .... but No player will come even remotely close to doing both ... its a staggering steep mountain to climb.
 
I just hope that the one who breaks his records has that same aura around him that Tendulkar had and is not like a Kallis/Sangakkara type boring accumulator. He has to be the real deal.
 
I just hope the person who can reach Sachins heights is a Indian . That would be happiness :)
 
I want to see a Pakistani batsmen make 10k runs. How far away is younis from that milestone? And how many test runs did javed mianded make?
 
Cook is not even half way there, for Virat its a small matter of 14000 more ODI runs. Hunooz, Dilli dur ast
 
Cook will not cross 45 test tons, he has started looking scratchy these days and worse days are ahead,can't keep up the pace for more than 2 years
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I just hope that the one who breaks his records has that same aura around him that Tendulkar had and is not like a Kallis/Sangakkara type boring accumulator. He has to be the real deal.
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To have the same Aura as Tendulkar, the player would have to be Indian.
 
ahmed778 said:
To have the same Aura as Tendulkar, the player would have to be Indian.
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Imran, Wasim, Ponting, Lara didn't need to be Indian. They were all special players and drew huge crowds wherever they went. Even India itself has not produced many of those, Tendulkar was simply a one off for a generation of Indian cricketers. Kohli can get there if he gets going in tests big time. He needs to take off!
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Imran, Wasim, Ponting, Lara didn't need to be Indian. They were all special players and drew huge crowds wherever they went. Even India itself has not produced many of those, Tendulkar was simply a one off for a generation of Indian cricketers. Kohli can get there if he gets going in tests big time. He needs to take off!
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We perhaps should not want Kohli to be or better than Tendulkar. Let him play and evolve as a player and get the best he can.. even if he takes time.

At the end of his career, he should not be judged on whether he overtook Tendulkar.
 
Can anyone catch Sachin? (merged)

Kohli has already taken off in tests.

He has boomed his averaged to the 40's now and I believe in a couple of years, he'd be averaging 50+ in both formats.
 
Sometimes i feel he comes in too late. Tendulkar must forfeit his position to Kohli in the greater good.
 
Shows how difficult it is to break Tendulkars records. Cook's avg has now taken a dive. It will be very difficult for Cook to recover from the hammering.

IMO no one will break most of his records. The only way would be by playing more tests.
 
With Kallis gone and Cook on a decline, its very unlikely that his test centuries record will be broken in the next 20 years at least.

His ODI centuries record is under threat from Kohli but still a long way to go.

His combined tally will never be surpassed.
 
Simply put, its always been difficult to fill his shoes. Whenever Tendulkar has been sidelined, the other guy has simply been unable to hold on to the numero uno tag. The pressure gets to them and they fall apart. Ponting had it on the plate in 2007 with SRT on verge of retirement and him establishing himself as best. Whatever happened to Ponting mysteriously after that is history now, just never recovered. Kallis also fell apart in last year. Cook was supposed to be another legend, his averages have taken a massive dive ever since the India series.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Simply put, its always been difficult to fill his shoes. Whenever Tendulkar has been sidelined, the other guy has simply been unable to hold on to the numero uno tag. The pressure gets to them and they fall apart. Ponting had it on the plate in 2007 with SRT on verge of retirement and him establishing himself as best. Whatever happened to Ponting mysteriously after that is history now, just never recovered. Kallis also fell apart in last year. Cook was supposed to be another legend, his averages have taken a massive dive ever since the India series.
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Don't under estimate Cook, He will score heavily against our trudlers in 5 match series, By the way England plays very good amount of test cricket so he's allowed to have some bad series.
 
Energetic said:
I don't think runs and 100s against rubbish bowling attacks should count.
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Yahh, ICC should have two separate record books.

People are talking about stats here not quality. Your centuries counts as far as stats goes. Lighten up.
 
Energetic said:
I don't think runs and 100s against rubbish bowling attacks should count.
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Give the lesser blokes some chance, otherwise Tendulkar, Lara are simply untouchable if we're only gonna be talking about quality runs. That kind of one sidedness is detrimental to fair analysis.
 
prtikul said:
Don't under estimate Cook, He will score heavily against our trudlers in 5 match series, By the way England plays very good amount of test cricket so he's allowed to have some bad series.
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We bullied him in England, the only flat pitch he found though, he hit a triple. lol
 
Cook's average is suffering. Its 46 something now, the standards are really dropping. Seems like he's gonna really have to drag himself to get there.
 
We bullied Cookie last time in England until the last test when he hit nearly a triple. :facepalm:
 
Immediate thread in tests - Sangakkara

Test threat in foreseeable future - Cook, ABD

ODI thread - Kohli, ABD


Current overall threat - None

Foreseeable overall threat - Kohli, de Kock
 
Cook has more runs than Tendulkar at the same age. Remains to be seen whether he can match his performance from now on though.
 
Someone once said that no one will beat Sachin's record of 100 international centuries like no one will ever beat Bradman's average of 100.
I tend to agree with this statement.
 
No one's ever going to beat Sachin record, let alone reach it. You would have to have similar skill, and come into the game at the same age to make sure you have enough matches/innings to even give yourself a chance. I don't see it happening
 
Kallis gave up the wrong format imo. He had a real chance at going past 51 centuries record of Sachin.
Cook is still 30 but the Ashes will decide his fate I think.
 
Pak Warrior said:
No one's ever going to beat Sachin record, let alone reach it. You would have to have similar skill, and come into the game at the same age to make sure you have enough matches/innings to even give yourself a chance. I don't see it happening
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Pak Warrior, agree with you. Even if someone has the age and skill on his side, he will need to have the temperament, consistency and hunger for runs to give himself a chance to surpass those numbers.
 
Pak Warrior said:
No one's ever going to beat Sachin record, let alone reach it. You would have to have similar skill, and come into the game at the same age to make sure you have enough matches/innings to even give yourself a chance. I don't see it happening
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Doesn't hold true for English players.
 
CricketBuffOne said:
Pak Warrior, agree with you. Even if someone has the age and skill on his side, he will need to have the temperament, consistency and hunger for runs to give himself a chance to surpass those numbers.
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That's what I'm saying man, there's a lot that goes into constructing a quality innings in tests and to build centuries, to do it consistently is very very difficult against great teams bc of the strategy and quality of bowlers. I haven't seen any player as consistent as Sachin in their career, even with the expected slump that hits players in their later years. The man was truly something else, to be the best bat in the history of india...a country that has produced some of the ATGs is ridiculous!!!
 
Buffet said:
Doesn't hold true for English players.
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The only thing that doesn't hold true for them would be the age thing bc it can be offset with the vast number of tests they play. But I still don't see a player with the same ability, temperament, and consistency as Sachin in England. Cook is in good rhythm now, but I doubt it will last long enough to reach the Master Blaster.
 
Pak Warrior said:
That's what I'm saying man, there's a lot that goes into constructing a quality innings in tests and to build centuries, to do it consistently is very very difficult against great teams bc of the strategy and quality of bowlers. I haven't seen any player as consistent as Sachin in their career, even with the expected slump that hits players in their later years. The man was truly something else, to be the best bat in the history of india...a country that has produced some of the ATGs is ridiculous!!!
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Well said mate. What surprises me most about him is the humbleness with which he carried the weight of expectations of 1 billion+ fans for 24 years. It's rare.
 
In individual format may be.. But overall 100 tons and most runs will be unbroken
 
Cook needs a massive purple patch to get back in contention again.

Right now, there doesn't seem to be any threat for the next fifteen-twenty years.
 
Current status:


ODI Runs-

Tendulkar: 18426
ABD - 8045
Kohli - 6586



Test runs-

Tendulkar - 15921
Cook - 9330
ABD - 7606
Amla - 6770


Test 100s-

Tendulkar - 51
Cook - 27
ABD - 21


ODI 100s

Tendulkar - 49
Kohli - 22
Amla - 21
ABD - 20
 
What's there to catch? I'm sure the vast majority of batsmen would prefer being better at batting than Tendulker instead of having more runs than him.
 
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